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But imagine everyday bicycle commuting in big cities with regular municipal announcements about short and long term road closures.

@poutnikl - yes of course.

No problems for me; either way. I only reply to your comment "I see no reason..." with my reason

Just a general comment:- Until now I have used the "external BRouter" method of route planning - http://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:user_guide:tracks:planning:brouter. I can quickly generate X routes for X profiles, then compare & contrast. But now, finally, the new Route Planner has overtaken this method for convenience. With Shaping points & NOGO areas it just gets better & better.

I never thought about them as about tool that should "shape" an planner route. And to be true, I still see no reason for this.

Often BRouter needs no encouragement but sometimes I encourage the chosen route with a Shaping point, sometimes with a NOGO area. Each has it's use and advantage depending on the characteristics of the current route. Generally for me a NOGO is only needed for the life of the route. No longer. As my cycle touring is always to a new area.

They should not be used as "negative viapoints/shapepoints".

I sometimes find nogo's very convenient for negative viapoints/shapepoints. Sometimes it is the fastest method for shaping my route.

Shaping Point(s) into exported gpx ?
As ONLY Locus must recognise/reconstruct.
Shaping Point indicator in trkpt attribute <type>
<trkpt lat="51.0529732704163" lon="3.99975299835205">
<type>Shape</type>
</trkpt>

+1 = would allow round trip GPX export/ import of route plan

[@Žajdlík Josef]

@Žajdlík Josef:
- understand, let's try it with 25m.

+1

@Andrew Heard:
2) hmm you are correct. <snip> So what about simply "Point from part N"?

+1

@Andrew Heard:
6) again for my surprise, no one complains till now . I was thinking about dialog with simple options "Overwrite" or "Save as new". 
7) it is important to keep in mind, that route planner is made of planning of new route. If you on existing track tap on "Route planner", track is loaded to planner, but there is no connection to original track! This should be solved by point 6), but I'm really worried to save changes immediately to original track.

Menu > Route Planner > create new route... of course. But track > Route Planner > edit existing route > ("Save" > "yes|no") | "Save as new".  This is behavior of RWGPS system too.

I still question this sequence:

• add NOGO
• auto recalc
• delete NOGO
• no auto recalc but expect to be able to reverse operation (manual undo)

I still think add NOGO should have undo. And Delete NOGO should force auto recalc. It won't be obvious to a user to long-tap the Compute Source icon for Recalc All.

And recompute ... ah I made a small gift for you just for testing for now and forget to mention. Try to long-click on big blue "choose source" icon in bottom left. Hope it is enabled in Beta .

@menion - beautiful gift - thank you.

BETA version 3.25.5.3
route planner:

while moving the map I accidentally moved a red point, very sensitive..maybe adding some touch-

@T-mo - use the Undo button (top left arrow) if you accidentally move a red point

Tools > Travel time: there are no profiles for cars, even though I planned the route with a car-profile. I would like to define some profiles (fast, eco,..) just to get an idea. Of course traffic can change a lot, but as a first approach it would be nice

@T-mo - I suggested similar 9 months ago - only 3 votes - http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/provide-vehicle-types-for-travel-time-calculation - please vote for my suggestion. Seems crazy to me there is BRouter profile for car but can't calculate travel time.[/list]

And recompute .... Try to long-click on big blue "choose source" icon in bottom left

@balloni55 - thank you! I must have missed that comment. Not as intuitive as menu item, but good enough for me now I know the secret.

*** BETA version 3.25.5.3 *** @zhaelon: <snip> a) I'm surprised that more people does not want

+1

3.25.5.3 - wow excellent NOGO functionality.

1) I still observe when a NOGO is deleted the track segment is not recomputed. See also my point #3.

2) I like the new item description "Part <N> of plan" when track segment is selected. However I think there is potential confusion between track point and track segment (part N). For example if I tap track segment, popup says multiple items, I tap "Part 1 of plan" but then next popup says "Trackpoint". So user is confused - did I just select a track point or part 1? And what is the difference? Is there a track point? Tap anywhere along a track segment/ part and you get the same point. Maybe replace "Trackpoint" popup with "Part <N>"?

3) I still can't force manual recompute of a track segment or whole route. How do you suggest I recompute track if I chose a different profile?

I would really like to use the new Route Planner instead of external BRouter method - http://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:user_guide:tracks:planning:brouter but until manual recompute after selection of BRouter profile is possible then it is still too many taps. I still suggest two menu items: A) Trackpoint popup > Recompute, and B) Tools menu > Recompute all.

4) If I tap 10mm away from a Nav point along track, I want to display "Trackpoint" popup, but I never get option, the Nav point pop is always displayed. Shouldn't a "Selected items" listing <Nav point> and "Part <N>" be displayed?

5) "Selected items" popup should be renamed "Select an item".

6) Existing track > Route Planner > Tools > Save Plan. I have now saved this plan as a copy of original track. How do I modify existing track, not saving a copy? If I save with same name, I get two tracks (existing/ new) with same name.

7) Existing track > Route Planner > modify, for example add Shaping point > Back button > Route Planner > Shaping point is lost. Is this a bug?

Nevertheless, it would be great for motorcycle trip planning if there was an option to show POI of a certain group (for example gas stations) *along the route* (say +- n km/mi, optional value). That should not be a dynamic option but a 'display GROUP (select) along the current route' button, which helps identify a POI (or multiple) to add as via point (or mark as 'visible') and then hide everything else again.

@zhaelon - interesting post. Your suggestion above is not quite the same as my existing help topic but you still may like to vote for it. Currently 12 votes.

Shaping points are not stored in metadata of saved track as I mentioned earlier.<snip> Will be fixed in next version.

@menion - can you clarify your quote - Shaping points are not saved in Locus internal database track metadata or external GPX file metadata? In my testing 3.25.5.2 Shaping points are saved to the internal database track metadata.

<snip> Will be fixed in next version.

What will be fixed?  My interpretation is most users in this forum topic would like Shaping points preserved.

Export of shaping points into GPX is currently not implemented. Still not sure, if this is needed at all ... we will see

Export of shaping points into GPX (Locus V1.1) would allow full round-tripping of saved Locus-created route.

With the Route Planner it is faster to add a Shaping point than a Via point (naturally). Most times I don't need any Via points. BRouter automatically creates all Navigation points. If I find I want to steer the route along some different road then I would simply add Shaping points as necessary. But I do want to be able to edit that track later (not just restoring the route plan) and have any existing Shaping points restored for further editing.

1.4.9 ja wirklich?

Shift relaod?

@abrensch - seltsame Verzögerung aber jetzt fixiert, danke

@Taras - I'm certainly not fixed on the term "Shaping" point. It is more meaningful & appeared on the face of it to be a more widely used term than "Definition" point. You & @0709 (& like the idea) observe a Shaping point is simply a silent, unnamed, unannounced Via point. So maybe this 3rd type of point doesn't even need a separate name? It's just an unnamed Via point? That could solve the next point...

@Menion - I'm strongly in support of @zossebart (also @matmas I think) that unnamed Via/ Shaping points are preserved in the metadata when the route plan is saved to a track. @0709 has indicated these silent Via points are then preserved on an export/ import GPX round-trip.

Hmm, isn't what I wrote to matmas here http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=5827.msg48985#msg48985 good enough reason? Maybe I'm only one who find this concept useful?

A useful concept for me too.

It seems that Shaping points behave like unnamed Via points? Although Via points inside a track can be exported & correctly restored on import. Could a Shaping point be treated like an unnamed Via point for export/ import?