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@Andrew Heard: I see here two differences compare to Garmin. 1) I'm currently unable to simply backup all settings like this. We may improve restoring of backups over backup manager ( restart will be anyway still needed ), but it's really almost impossible to include everything into preset. 2) how system you mentioned in Garmins, allows to define which settings to restore? There is no such option, right? It simply save current state and later restore it and overwrite everything you meanwhile changed, am I understand correctly?

@menion - the way I see it simplified (variation of "Garmin" model) you can save/ restore existing subset of Locus settings, not all settings, and not provide any extra form for modifying those preset settings (that is - delete Preset > Edit - it will save you heaps of work - no form, no translations, no doco, no explanation via ? icon). If user wants to modify a preset setting they just modify the "global" setting, delete existing preset and create a new preset. The programming cost of adding an extra setting is simply code to copy field between global setting structure & preset structure.

Understand request for "panels". Based on small quick poll I made, it looks like it is not too often used settings ( http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?cmd=view&id=11bf3a1b70e4b1937 ), so for now not, sorry.

@menion - I use another app "F-Stop Media Gallery" and the developer uses Google Analytics service to gather huge amount of information from users on which app functions are most used/ most popular. I guess user must opt-in to provide information, I hope. Anyway my point is this service could provide greater insight into how users operate Locus rather than a poll with very small sample size. I guess Google is paid for this service

I may sound like broken record, but with simpler Garmin model, most settings are part of preset/profile, at no additional cost, no special editing form/dialog is needed, no need for preset > Edit, no advanced mode is needed, because user edits all settings via existing methods. Simpler yet more powerful.

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But this much I asked for a refund elections hiding panels to presets. For small phones, this option proved very practical. It's very addictive whenever necessary to hide everything and have the whole map for display only. So that those elections were not many, it would possibly hiding all panels put under one item.

@menion - fully agree with @Žajdlík Josef - most disappointed to see that hiding panels has been removed as a preset setting - I had a cycling profile with hiding right/ bottom panel (to maximize map visibility of course), and mapping profile with visible right/ bottom panel (for more onscreen functionality). Now it takes 9 extra taps to toggle these panels - menu > settings > maps > panels > bottom+right > back > back > back.

I like the black question mark icon to list settings in the preset.

Good to see in 3.21.1.17 (big jump of version) that Hold Map Center button state is restored even when no valid position. Thanks.

For example, I don't want to change the map theme when applying a preset. In the previous versions

@zossebart - with the simplified Garmin model that I proposed, you would just have same map theme for each of the presets. Agree not as good for power user, but simple & easy to use for ordinary user (hopefully).

not technically and practically possible to use complete! save/restore of all settings

@menion - I thought it could save you considerable development time not having to maintain these complex settings forms, and the UX is much easier for a typical user to understand & use - the Garmin user manual section on "Profiles" is so short, but in fact a complete description of function. You could save/restore exactly the same set of settings that are in the current beta, certainly not expecting all settings, that would be crazy. Am happy with any solution you decide, because the feature will save me much time switching settings.

We may simplify it little bit to:
1. open "Presets" screen
2. tap "+" to add new
3. set it's icon & name and tap save
4. you are back in list of "Presets" with new preset added to start
5. (optional) advanced users may modify it's values by "edit" button in context menu

So for basic users, this will look like Garmin style and option to modify it's content without need to create new preset will remain. Should it be better?

your suggestion looks very similar to (my interpretation of) Garmin style...and if you eliminate (optional) step 5 you save yourself a heap of maintenance of this complex form(s). Two options (compared to Garmin): A) if user now modifies any global setting, then active Preset is no longer active B) if user now modifies any global setting, then relevant setting change is saved into the active Preset (and remains active). I like option B, but user could also just delete active preset and tap + to save new settings.

I have just been reading about Presets in the Garmin eTrex 10/20/30 user manual static.garmincdn.com/pumac/eTrex_10-20-30_OM_EN.pdf - page 29. Garmin calls Presets Profiles!

Summary:

• Preset > Add - adds new preset using existing settings
• Preset > T:Edit meta - call this "Rename"
• Preset > Delete - no change
• Preset > T:Edit content - no longer needed (see next point)
• The exact list of settings is not visible to the user. No long/ complex screens of settings  - would make Petr happy and considerably reduce programming/ translations.
• There is zero or one active preset. As settings are changed they are automatically saved to this active preset.
• I think it would therefore be useful to again display "active" or preset name in red, for the active preset.
• This model has radically simpler interface but I think offers same functionality, and faster/ more efficient to use.

Experience of practical use for day hiking in 3.21.1.7.
Functionality on my phone without problems, and create preset switching seamlessly.
When using different presets I ran into a small problem. Example: The first time I created several presets for hiking, ski and bike. The "recalculate the route," but I do not need it because even for one do not use, so I had they not been activated. For several days I created a preset "auto" and it has set a "route recalculation" priority route. Preset I tried, and then switch back to the preset "tourism". But the preset to "tourism" has been active route recalculation, and it remained settings from "auto". Navigation is therefore behaved somewhat unexpectedly. The higher amount of presets could this could happen, because nobody will remember what those older activated. The solution offers two. Either create a "basic preset" all options are active in some form of universal and apply the first and only after expre other changes in any preset, be sure to activate all functions. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.

@Žajdlík Josef - I now just include every setting in every present. I think it avoids your experience.

question:
how can i close locus without hideing a dashboard which is visible by a active preset?
e.g.
i activate a preset and  dashboard is visble
after my tour i want to close locus, so normaly i click back button two times. But now after the first click dashboard disapeares  and i click back button twice  to close locus.
On next start of locus last active preset is furthermore active but without visible dashboard. I understand, locus open "last state"

@balloni55 - I just checked my 3.21.1.7- all is OK: only click back button two times to exit, still dashboard visible on 1st back button, then on restart dashboard state restored (visible or not). Selected each of 3 presets, restarted Locus, each preset correctly restored.

@menion - appears preset settings are not backed up, or not restored?

when you change preset, then "center" map is probably enabled. It should simulate tap on bottom left "center button" on map screen. It probably work exactly same, right?

@menion - ahh - I see, and I therefore think there is a bug, or at least improvement can be made - I don't have a valid GPS position, phone has been inside for days, so when I tap "center button" valid message is displayed "unable to obtain valid location" and position is not changed...but when I activate preset with "center button" enabled, the map position is still moved to old/ invalid position.

> it probably don't work as expected only when GPS is turned off right?
exactly - difference in behavior (as explained above)

3.21.1.7: phone locked up after making changes to preset then selecting preset

3.21.1.7: bug: tap + to add new Preset > tap Cancel > keyboard remains on screen

PS. wrote long story before I read John & Michael's comments. I agree with them.

3.21.1.6 testing: I still notice when I change presets the old GPS position is restored. Steps: GPS disabled, 2 presets. Select 1 preset. Move position. Select 2nd present - observe map position changed to a completely different location. It's as if preset has hidden "position setting". Another user has mentioned this too.

I am happy with 2nd screen to select "preset settings selection" or 1 combined screen with checkboxes, but it just feel that the 2nd method may be more intuitive, even if list grows in future. One less screen to design & maintain for you? When I view the current 2nd screen "preset settings selection" (AKA T:CONTENT OF PRESET) I ask myself as "new user" - am I overriding a setting or selecting a setting or what? With checkbox and value side-by-side the purpose should be more clear. Untick checkbox > setting is disabled - UX is clear.

I like the highlighted preset in red (and that also supports my argument in next paragraph). I don't really see a need for word "active" below setting, but I guess it gives a hint for new user.

Your main question: If I change a setting in the active preset I would just expect to see the setting updated. If I delete a setting from active preset I would expect setting is not changed. At present after return from preset screen I see the main screen but no change yet. If I go back to preset I now see a message below preset "active, but changed". Example: edit active preset > toggle full screen > exit (to main screen) > I would expect full screen is updated. But at present it is not until I tap the active preset yet again that new setting is then used. Seems unintuitive & convoluted. I don't expect to tap the active preset to "deactivate" it. The model is - tap any preset to copy those defined settings to global settings then return to main screen.

@Andrew Heard: we will see. As first step, I just because of this made this simple poll.

@menion - I've updated my previous poll answers based on preset experience. Already 0.5% vote for navigation voice! Quite long "tail" in poll results.

I know there is zero interest in adding even more settings to presets, but using both driving and cycling presets today I realize a useful additional setting is the navigation voice. With driving preset I use TTS but with cycling preset I use Morse.

I just do not know yet whether I like another icon on main screen.

for me the main screen notification icon is hidden once all notifications are dismissed, so no problems

Understand, thanks. What about dashboard, you always wants to setup dashboard?

@menion - absolutely - my uses: cycling preset:extensive dashboard, driving & default presets:no dashboard

If not three position switch, then how about check box for "include" and two position switch for the setting (greyed out if box not checked).

@john_percy - a three position switch will only work with boolean setting values, eg themes & map magnification will need different mechanism, but what about suggestion that setting is initially default, and you simply decide whether to change or not?

As for downloading from OAM

John what "provider" do a use for test of OAM maps? when I go Locus Store > By Provider > where is OpenAndroMaps?