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Use-case of dashboard ... I need to experiment with it, but my idea is to remove "stats" tab and replace it with dashboard, so everyone may define layout as he wants.

clever idea!

Route planner: ah if I understand correctly ... you open recorded circular track in Route planner and Locus automatically recalculate it? It's a bug, I'll look at this, weird it does not happen to me.

correct

Add new point: I have changed this because it is common situation that you search for a point and result was added to track without option to check if you really wants it. Also with option to add point not just to end of track, it may make sense to let user choose, right?

I think the menu name is confusing - it does not add a new point, only move to a new point.

Tools > Clear : have to ask Petr what is from UX point better. Grey button that cannot be tapped ( and you may not know why ) or button where you get error message when you tap ( but at least know why ).

Yes, +/- with each method. There are other places (not Route planner) where buttons are disabled.

So idea of Recalculate button in Tools menu?

Testing with 3.25.3.3
This beta expires in only 2 days! Not much time to test.

So far preset function panels are working reliably! Well done.

What is use-case for dashboard in track info? It works but not sure of purpose.

Route planner...

existing circular (out & back) track > Route planner > results in very short loop track of few 10's of metres of recalculated route from start to end (at nearly same point) because there are no waypoints in example tracks.

Well this is complicated. Such very short route happen right after recalculation, right? It's because definition points are only at start and end.
Try to create such route with latest Locus Map version! ...Anyway with old track or track imported from file, this happen.

I am discussing old track recording, with no waypoints, not creating a new route. Why should the Route planner perform a recalculation when I open this old track? For a circular track this results in no track (nearly same start/ end point). As you say in question below, Route planner does not perform recalculation for change of compute engine, so inconsistent for user/ not the expected behavior.

When using the Route planner if I change the compute engine, why I don't see the route recalculated?

And why it should? System is same as before ... defined engine is applied on new added or changed track parts. There is still option that you wants part compute by one engine and second part by different. Locus gives this option ...

So reverse of previous question/ experience. There is an unwanted recalculation when track opened, but no recalculation when I change compute engine. Could compromise & more flexible solution be to add Recalculate button to the Tools menu so user has full control? Use case: I add start and end point, route is calculated for given profile. I want to see if alternate profile is more suitable. Should the route be recalculated when I switch profile, seems intuitive, otherwise how to force recalculation? Only way at present is to add a unwanted point.

Overall 3.25.3.3 is working much better, although I have confusing BRouter messages at times. I started the Route planner; all working fine; added a few points; then below when I added next point (existing road, BRouter data should exist) I got various error messages (unfortunately often disappear before time to get screen cap). The BRouter message means nothing to an average user, only the developer:

Is there a BRouter error code? Maybe Locus can map the error code to a more user-friendly message? In my case the correct RD5 files exist, so I can't yet explain these errors yet. And, the previous route segment (not shown in screen cap) was corrected calculated and displayed.

Issue: start new route > Tools > Add new point > chose point. 2nd Tools > Add new point > chose point. But no route is added. So - "Add new point" is re-positioning the cursor to the point but doesn't add the point. The user still has to tap the + button. OK, valid argument for each side, but "Add new point" is really just "Move to point". I think "Add new point" should actually add-the-point. If incorrect the user can just undo the operation.

Issue: if there is no route, can Tools > Clear plan button be disabled? Then no need for user to see message "Nothing to remove"?

Issue (as mentioned before): Tools > Add new point > there is no "Select on map" option?


Finally: with this intense testing I note phone UI was getting less & less responsive. Implying some task is using more & more CPU. As I was only using Locus it would suggest is related to Locus and/or BRouter. Not a good sign. Can anyone suggest some non-root app or method for display % CPU per process? I don't have any Linux experience in this area of debugging. I tried ES Task Manager but not working like I expect.

OK, that method doesn't crash. However existing circular (out & back) track > Route planner > results in very short loop track of few 10's of metres of recalculated route from start to end (at nearly same point) because there are no waypoints in example tracks. Is this your intention? Of course, if existing track is point-to-point (not a loop) then this issue doesn't occur.

For Route planner > menu > Add new point > Select location: why does this window not have "Select on map"? When a green point (eg. start or end point) is tapped > Edit > "Select on map" is an option. So why the difference? How do you add a new point at an arbitrary location by choosing on the map?

Also when a point is added, choice is add to start/ end/ route, but what if there are two waypoints and you want to add the point in between them? Where is the point actually added when "add to route" is selected? Wouldn't it be better you can tap any place on the existing track, and then chose to "add new point"?

I love the new bottom statistics panel, and the elevation graph which can be dragged up.

When using the Route planner if I change the compute engine, why I don't see the route recalculated?

@Andrew Heard: aaaa got it. Complicated issue caused by bigger number of external applications added to functions panel and often change of content. Fixed (hope), thanks!

@menion - excellent

Your second post:
1) this will need a crash log as I'm again not able to simulate it. Probably problem of some specific track only?

I've tried 4 different tracks. All quite different, short/ long/ circular/ linear/ different maps. All same problem. Have generated a log and emailing now. Huge file.

2) Currently it is possible to modify only core points that define shape of track (small red, green, blue dots). Blue dots you talk about, are probably navigation commands that are just simplified for drawing in route planner, but agree it looks similar to defined "via points". This is anyway complicated task that is somewhere between route planner and track editor ... will have to think about it more. Thanks

blue dots - correct - BRouter navigation commands; confusing from a UX point of view; pity a way of providing unified route planning/ track editing UX is not being considered.

3.25.2.1 (your preset logging version)
1) Tracks > select existing track > Route planner > "Unfortunately Locus Map has stopped"
2) Route planner (new route), BRouter - add some manual points, BRouter adds blue navigation waypoints, tap on blue point to move, displays the instruction (eg. left) but no option to move/ delete this point? But for other blue points > tap > name > tap arrow > Edit location. Inconsistent - some blue points can be edited, others not.
Should I keep this logging version or upgrade to 3.25.2.2? Maybe above 1 & 2 are fixed in latest beta?

@Andrew Heard: testing your exact steps and no problem. Also no-one other reported same problem. Weird, mainly because it cannot be based on any Android version etc.
Please this test version, simulate problem and close app. In Locus/logs directory should be some text logs, so send me them, thanks!

@menion - preset function panel bug reproduced

• backup 3.25.2 (Pro)
• restore full into 3.25.2.1 (Beta)
• function panels 5|15
• presets > All buttons > Edit > Set function panels 5|0 > set current content > 5|15 > exit > select preset All buttons > OK
• presets > No buttons > OK (1|0)
• presets > All buttons > OK (5|15)
• presets > All buttons > edit > Set function panels 5|15 > exit
• presets > No buttons > edit > Set function panels 5|0 > exit
• presets > Walking > edit > Set function panels 5|0 > remove 2 buttons > OK > 3|0 > select preset Walking > OK
• presets > select All buttons > 5|0 (ERROR - no RHS buttons displayed)
• presets > All buttons > edit > Set function panels 5|0 (ERROR - should be 5|15)
• exit Locus

4 files in Locus/logs 26/8/2017 0924..0936, I note lots of exceptions, I hope you can figure out the problem.

@Menion - I note there is a new version of the help desk. Inline picture uploading & other UI is slightly different. A few times already the link button has not worked. I select text, click Link button, paste in the URL, press Enter key ==> the selected text has been deleted. Very annoying. Can this be reported to the help desk supplier?

Another example of issues with new help desk: I start writing a comment/ reply. If I now click on any links of previous user, say to view image link or download an attachment, all my comment text is deleted. Even more annoying. This didn't happen with previous version. I can workaround by right-clicking on links.

@Andrew Heard thanks for precise step-by-step description of function panel problem, will try it tomorrow

@menion - I did some more testing of preset function panels only using 3.25.2 Pro. Did you get any time to test? You'd hadn't said whether you tested with large number of panel buttons on RHS. In the past I've had 15. I had a theory maybe bug is related to large #. I removed 8, so now all RHS buttons visible. It seemed to work for a while. But then some presets went from 5|7 to 5|0 again. Always the top panel buttons remain stable. It never takes long before the # buttons goes wrong. Just switch between presets a few times, then edit to check #|#. Add/ remove a few buttons from a preset/panel. Thank goodness backup/ restore works although I would like to use this new feature.

PS. I cleared Pro & Beta data caches (settings > Apps > app > Clear cache. Same problems.

I was going to completely uninstall Locus & install from scratch but for some reason the Uninstall button is disabled. Any suggestion?

New style track edit function.
- Buttons need to be placed further apart.
Prefer old style edit toolbar
+ Button distance ok
+ Nicely lined up in a single toolbar.

The triangle inside each Modify Track circle button could be made larger. The equivalent +/- inside each Route Planner circle button are now much better.

Locus 3.25.1.5 tap on-screen existing track > Route Planner > consistent crash/ auto-restart -
see video.

I see your point of view, and agree alpha sort is best overall. I think existing alpha sort for longer list (scrolling needed) is logical; for short list distance sort maybe more useful, but of course now the list is...short so any sorting is not so necessary.

Thanks Petr. When I got the error last week I was using  LoMap south_australia.osm.db 2016.08.28. So before I created this topic I bought the latest map  2017.07.22, retested, and got the same error (yesterday). But now it lists the address. How strange. As you say that address is at least a few years in OSM database, so how to explain?

So I thought I should also check a few other nearby addresses. How are the results sorted for display? I find in this screencap below search for  South Australia > city:Adelaide > street:dotterel has the closest address at the end of list. I guess sorted alphabetically.

I then tried address:main, which is very common English name. Same issue. Would it be more useful for the search results to be sorted by distance from current GPS/ current cursor rather than alphabetically?

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@Andrew Heard : hmm sorry to hear you still have issues with this function. I just tried to play around 15 minutes with it and still no problem, damn.
Just to make it clear to me ... you have an issue just with playing with latest 3.25.1 version, no switching to some older beta or Pro version, just latest update right?
You tried to describe me your issue already twice, like here http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=5720.msg48261#msg48261 , but it always looks to me like some problem caused by changing of older Locus Map Pro ( that not yet supported function panels so this option was lost ) and latest Beta.

@menion - more testing of preset function panels only using 3.25.1 Pro...

• 5 top panel buttons, 15 right panel buttons
• panel hiding: all unchecked
• delete all presets
• exit Locus
• confirm all LB files from data/presets folder are deleted
• restart Locus
• add 1st preset - All Buttons
• edit content, and uncheck all options except 'Set function panels'
• save - confirm correct summary 5|15
• add 2nd preset - 1 Button
• edit content, and uncheck all options except 'Set function panels'
• delete all buttons except "Presets' - just to make it easy to modify, nothing special about this button
• save - confirm correct summary 1|0
• edit All Buttons
• wrong summary 5|1 - lost 14 RHS buttons
• exit
• edit 1 Button
• correct summary 1|0
• exit
• edit All Buttons
• wrong summary 5|0 - lost another RHS button

So I delete both presets again. This time I add 1st preset again and behavior is slightly different...

• 5 top panel buttons, 15 right panel buttons
• delete all presets
• add 1st preset - All Buttons
• edit content, and uncheck all options except 'Set function panels'
• save - summary is now 5|0 whereas previous test is 5|15 - which would you expect as default?
• and most interesting observation (previously reported) - tapping the 'Set current context button' - none of the existing 15 RHS buttons are added to the list of preset function panels - see screen cap

Have you tested with so many RHS buttons?

@menion can one of the blue colors be made more different? a waste of space at present as they look very similar:

Offline address search > South Australia > city:Adelaide > street:"shearwater drive" is not found
map: Oceania/ Australia/ south_australia.osm.db
I bought the latest version for confirmation just in case, but no change: 2017/07/22

lat/lon and street clearly shown in screen cap below:


other search results are valid: