[APP] - version 4.29.+ ( 4/2025 )

[Andrew Heard]

Text change suggestion: "Display after save" would be a much better to understand and precise text. Especially in the combination with prior option.
Because currently it implies the option itself could do something about saving.

@tapio - the text hasn't changed, and the detail text below the summary seems ok? slightly better sure

[Andrew Heard]

bug: Map screen content panel > long tap on temporarily remove all library items > now top panel/ line to unhide. okay so far. now tap top line to unhide items but top line becomes top panel instead of correctly reverting/ restoring previous state, in my case hidden top panel.

[Graf Geo]

There are still issues with the global search for LoPoints with defined area. See this post and here in the helpdesk.

Expert settings -> Center on point OFF

If the searched object is a normal LoPoint outside the screen, a red circle with an arrow appears and if I click on it, I can select the element (click on the square icon) and the map jumps there. After closing the LoPoint slide panel, the map remains there. Ok. 

If the searched object is a LoPoint with defined area outside the screen, the map immediately jumps to this LoPoint and opens the slide panel.
But: I can't stay at the position I'm looking for. If I click the Android back button or swipe down the panel, the map jumps back to the last position before the search.
If I click on the arrow to the left of the search title (name of the LoPoint) in the slide panel, I return to the search list.

It is not possible for the map to remain at the searched LoPoint.

This has now been fixed (beta 4.29.0.14).

However, if I select a point outside the map screen in the left side panel under "nearest points", the red circle with an arrow also appears here. But here it cannot be clicked on and there is no way to jump the map to this point.

[Ulrich Kiermayr]

Am I the only one where the "remove all notifications" button does only close the window, but keep all notifications? Removing 20 of them via swiping is a bit tiring.

Nope, same here.

LG uk

[michaelbechtold]

@Michael Bechtold
missing pattern > interesting problem I'm unable to simulate. Both features use the identical method of drawing track/route on the map, there is no difference. May you share a track with me, where this happens? Thanks
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@Menion: just sent you a mail with the attachments. TXs.

Not fixed in current beta - no surprise, as it is not in Menion's list of changes :-)

[Graf Geo]

Hmm, I just tested it again and now the line style, including colour, thickness and pattern, is being applied correctly for me.

[luce]

Hmm, I just tested it again and now the line style, including colour, thickness and pattern, is being applied correctly for me.

Can confirm, line style looks good.
Another thing is the overlapping with the diagram which happens quite often.

[40°]

MapGooglePlayAfa_4.29.0.14_1179_beta.apk - Online search is still not working on Android 7. :-(

[Menion]

@Michael Bechtold
style of the track in overview > thanks for sharing the track. It was really a problem for all tracks that used "Use parent folder" style. Fixed.

@slarti76
splitting of tracks > as I see, there was a modification in the code in August 2022. If the time of the first trackpoint (of the original track) matches the time of the original track, and then if the time of 1. trackpoints of 1. segment is earlier than 1. trackpoints of 2. segment, the app uses these times.

So generally, this should work as you expect and exactly as confirmed @Graf Geo (thanks). You see these problems for your own recorded tracks that have for sure correct times for each trackpoint?

@Graf Geo
automatic LoPoints mode > good point, thanks. We will discuss it today. Most probably, it will use an "offline" solution for overlay, but will try to load the single point details online first.

Click on the red pointer > oki, I've added "center to point" action on it.

@Ulrich Kiermayr
Nearest points > well, I think this feature needs a bigger update. So no minor change like this for now please. Also, I'm also not sure if this is the best improvement.

@Tapio
OAM can't. As you see, even our own good old LoPoints are separated together with OAM into "Other POIs". What we did, is a full conversion of a huge system from the cloud into an offline solution. And @Radim V was able to do it almost 1:1. The SQLite database that holds data now has a completely different structure no longer compatible with the old solution. It now also handles all available databases at once, so no need (not even possible) to choose to work with a single database.

But because many people have old LoPoints and will want to use OAM and other alternative sources, it is fair to keep the old solution fully working.

"Display after save" > agreed, thanks

Remove all notifications > we will look at it, thanks.

@Andrew Heard
not hiding top panel > it seems to work for me. You see no other button on the right side of the panel? It should auto-hide after specified amount of time, same as other panels.

@40°
search on A7 > ah, thanks. We will look at it.

[Graf Geo]

Other POIs vs LoPoints

Somehow I don't really understand the sense and advantage of the new "Other POIs" category. Ok, this contains the POIs from the OAM database of the saved OAM maps, i.e. xy_oam_osm.db. So these are POIs available offline.

I can now choose and display LoPoints online, offline and/or OAM POIs.

But as they are all based on Openstreetmap POIs, are they the same POIs? Yes, some LoPoints are only available online and not offline, and some POIs are displayed as online LoPoints, but not as OAM POIs by default or only if I select them in the OAM POI list and display them with the "nearest < 100" icon. And yes, some OSM POIs are neither transferred as LoPoint nor as OAM POI, e.g. benches.

What advantages does this offer? Somehow it is just a duplication of all POIs from two databases (osm.db and oam_osm.db). If I activate both LoPoints and Other POIs, almost all POIs are displayed twice with a slight offset.

I also don't know whether I see an online LoPoint, an offline LoPoint or an OAM-POI on the map. I can recognise the few LoPoints for which there is a photo (the photo is only displayed for an online LoPoint). Otherwise you can't tell them apart. I would find it useful if, when I call up a POI, an icon or a note is displayed indicating what kind of POI (from which source) it is.

If I select "POIs around" under "Other POIs" in the list at the top, Online LoPoints are also displayed (verifiable when a photo is displayed). Somehow it's all mixed up.

I can also upload photos to OAM POIs, which seems illogical to me, as these are external offline POIs. Can I now assign the same photo twice to each POI, once to the LoPoint and once to the OAM-POI, whereby it is pointless for the latter as it is not displayed for an offline point? Or is a photo uploaded to an OAM POI automatically assigned to the online LoPoint?

Somehow I find it all a bit confusing and not clearly structured, but maybe I just don't understand the principle yet. Maybe someone can set me straight?

[Menion]

What we are trying to solve:

Previously, we had two categories.

• LoPoints (online) - our online-only system
• LoPoints (offline) - offline database-based solution adapted by various 3rd parties (like OAM, ..). I call it "V1"

Now we have moved to a new system, thanks to a completely new system for offline LoPoints (V2)

• LoPoints  - new united system based on online and offline V2 solution, where content is (almost) identical and users do not have to care if what data are already offline (if it is not a priority).
• Other POIs  - old offline V1 solution, completely incompatible with V2. Users without V1 databases won't see this option at all (so all new users or users with all LoMaps updates and without any 3rd party databases).

So I see no other option than keeping both systems available and working, BUT separated.

[Graf Geo]

Thank you. I don't fully understand it, but ok. For example, I didn't realise that the old offline LoPoints (V1) also used 3rd party POIs. I had only rarely activated them. Now (V2) they are only pure LoPoints.

So if I don't need the "Other Pois" option, couldn't the option be hidden via the map content menu? So that it doesn't take up unnecessary space?

[Andrew Heard]

not hiding top panel > it seems to work for me. You see no other button on the right side of the panel? It should auto-hide after specified amount of time, same as other panels.

@menion - I always have top panel hidden, so after I unhide temporary items by tapping the icon at top right side, the panel should immediately revert to hidden.

[slarti76]

@slarti76
splitting of tracks > as I see, there was a modification in the code in August 2022. If the time of the first trackpoint (of the original track) matches the time of the original track, and then if the time of 1. trackpoints of 1. segment is earlier than 1. trackpoints of 2. segment, the app uses these times.

So generally, this should work as you expect and exactly as confirmed @Graf Geo (thanks). You see these problems for your own recorded tracks that have for sure correct times for each trackpoint?

Ah, I think I now know why the result is different: I already edited the original track, especially I removed some points at the beginning (because I started the recording early). If I understand your description correctly, that means that your algorithm is now not "activated", as the first (remaining) trackpoint already has another time than the track's creation time.
Does that sound about right?

To be honest, I don't understand the reasoning for that complicated rule - I mean, removing trackpoints at the beginning sounds like a pretty normal thing to do?!

So the workaround is clear: Split first, remove points later. Still, I find the condition a little contrived and would prefer Locus just always use the time of the first point of the second part as starttime.

[Graf Geo]

Just for information: I have looked again at the "Other POIs".

If I upload a photo to a POI from "Other POIs", this is actually added to the corresponding online LoPoint.

"Other POIs" can be filtered on the map, even if I only realised this after a lot of trial and error. Click on "Other POIs" (not the eye icon!), click on the desired category in the list (e.g. shelter), then click on the small icon with the small number x at the top right, close the menu again and only the x POIs in this category will be displayed. You can repeat this several times to display several categories exclusively. Some users may like this better than highlighting the LoPoints, where all other POIs are also displayed as small icons and the map is overloaded with icons in some places.

These "Other POIs" also show (if you are online) the photos that have been uploaded to the corresponding LoPoint. These are probably the old V1 LoPoints, as newer POIs/photos are not displayed here. Now I'm wondering whether new POIs will continue to be added to the old V1 system or whether it will be frozen at its current status. I'll see after the next LoMap update...

Ultimately, however, up-to-dateness is important for POIs, so the LoPoints (online) are the first choice for me.

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