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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2016, 02:01:00 »
@menion 3.20.1.8 release notes in app: link from 1st topic "option to disable internal..." doesn't work - "application missing". Other links work, so I assume URL is broken.

@menion I reported this bug a few days ago but no acknowledgement - maybe you missed it - in full screen mode > edit track > save > there is no "back" button, no way to exit this screen without dragging down status bar.
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2016, 09:28:19 »
Hello Andrew,
there should be no "minimal" time limit. On single wave event, Locus should react as soon as possible. Maximum time limit is set to 2 seconds! Reason for this, is to prevent action in case of cover of sensor by some flipcase, or placing device to pocket etc. 2 seconds should be enough time to cover sensor and then move hand away I believe.

Problem with " I just hold hand over sensor, and maybe 50ms later display toggles" is as I wrote ... how to detect for example device placed to pocket?

- link on web page: damn, thanks ... I always copy link from help.locusmap.eu, but it is sometimes copied without starting "http://", thanks
- issue, sorry. If this is what I think it should be, it will be solved in next version, thanks!
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2016, 10:40:06 »
...On single wave event, Locus should react as soon as possible.
@menion - it appears the display toggles on the "trailing edge" i.e. when hand is removed. Could Locus react faster if display toggles on the "leading edge" i.e. when hand is detected? This would save 0 to 2 seconds of delay.

...Problem with " I just hold hand over sensor, and maybe 50ms later display toggles" is as I wrote ... how to detect for example device placed to pocket?
@menion - separate flipcase mode? it appears in order to accommodate the flipcase scenario the single wave mode is compromised.
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2016, 10:45:15 »
But there should be really no delay. It's all about what is "wave"? You wants mode "cover". So simple cover of sensor trigger change. Currently it's in mode "wave", which means "cover" and "uncover". Immediately when Locus detect this uncover activity, screen should "toggle".

I now cannot say if current solution is perfect, because on me & bike it's too cold out now :) and unfortunately without some field tests, hard to say ...
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2016, 23:09:23 »
I think we agree. You say "cover" and "uncover" so there is a delay. "uncover"=my term "trailing edge". I was just suggesting "toggle" on "cover" (leading edge) instead of "uncover". No need for field testing, should work just as well in office. Now even with thick gloves I can toggle the display, previously I had difficulty feeling where the tiny power button was. Other good news - I haven't noticed any increased power consumption on short 2hr ride. Normally 2%/hr with track recording, 3%/hr with track+navigation. Will do 13hr ride on weekend to confirm these numbers.
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2016, 14:01:42 »
So why do I keep getting this Activate Device Administrator screen now. Not all time, but every so often.
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2016, 21:04:24 »
Seeing a consistent FC in the moment I activate Live Tracking in latest Beta. Anybody else ? Deleting all data in Android does not fix it.


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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #97 on: December 07, 2016, 08:39:37 »
@menion - another idea/ observation/ suggestion regards gesture control - I've noticed a few times, not many but still annoying, that when I gesture to turn on the display, that a menu or screen or other app is displayed because the gesture is also a tap. I find the most reliable way to register as an object is to hold my palm over the IR sensor, but of course there is risk that Android thinks I am tapping display. With non-conductive gloves it then becomes impossible to return to the main map without taking off the gloves. Suggestion: would it be possible to have a short period after turning the display on in which all taps are ignored? I can't think of any reason a user would gesture then expect to accurately tap within say 100ms.
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #98 on: December 08, 2016, 01:41:59 »
@0709 has just recorded a video https://youtu.be/uTJNALgAawE demonstrating leading & trailing edge trigger of display toggle. His DSTO app is using leading edge trigger, and is clearly more responsive than Locus single wave trailing edge trigger.

Related, and good news, I had suspected that Sony Xperia "stamina" power saving mode was causing unreliability of Locus gesture mode - I had a "theory" that after a period of inactivity Stamina mode was turning off the IR sensor. But I've now done many hours riding and testing, and Stamina mode has made no difference, and more importantly there was no obvious increase in power consumption with IR sensor turned on with Stamina mode disabled and gesture enabled.
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #99 on: December 08, 2016, 04:52:28 »
@menion - have you recently improved navigation behavior for situation where initial position is not directly on the track? I had observed in the past that with auto-recalculation off, sometimes when navigation is started the large question mark icon never changes to a proper turn icon even once position is directly along the navtrack:

I have been testing this again and certainly for a few walking tests with 3.20.1.8 I now observe that navigation may switch between question and distance icon a few times, but will correctly stabilize once the track is reached:

Maybe you improved behavior but forgot to mention in release notes? If so, thanks for the worthwhile improvement.
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #100 on: December 08, 2016, 12:32:39 »
@john_percy: this screen should appear just once. After you tap on "activate", for current install of Locus Map, it should not appear anymore. But you see it everytime, Locus tries to turn on/off screen?

@michalebechtold: I have no such experience, sorry. Log needed

@Andrew Heard: issue with Locus Map vs DSTO application is still the same ... how DSTO detect if device is covered by cover or placed into pocket? I consider current solution as final. If you need something like DSTO, then why don't use this application for this task?

And behavior was little bit improved for navigation started off the track. Good to hear it works fine now.
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #101 on: December 08, 2016, 12:43:40 »
Should have reported earlier: I deleted the ID and created a new one. Now no FC any more with LifeTracking :-)
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #102 on: December 08, 2016, 21:17:02 »
New install Locus maps free v 3.20.1.9 has stopped on both updated tablets.  Tab Pro and Tab 4. Report via google was sent
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #103 on: December 08, 2016, 23:00:01 »
thanks willy, issue on 4.x devices, damn ... I'll fix it tomorrow ...
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Re: [APP] - version 3.20.x (31. 10. 2016+)
« Reply #104 on: December 08, 2016, 23:11:07 »
how DSTO detect if device is covered by cover or placed into pocket?
@menion - DTSO (not DSTO) has separate flipcover & "single wave" configuration, so subtly different use-cases in-pocket and on-handle-bars are optimised instead of one-size-fits-all compromise solution; don't get me wrong - it's still a great feature

I consider current solution as final. If you need something like DSTO, then why don't use this application for this task?
pity, It would be interesting to see how many users are actually using Locus gesture as there has been so little comment, DTSO didn't work for me when I tried it a year ago; I have just installed the latest version, it now turns on the display with single wave on "leading edge", so very quick & responsive, although I can't get it to turn off the display; I'll discuss with @0709; the Locus implementation does work but I think could just be improved further; I love Locus & tell everyone about it, but if Locus aims to be the best GPS app for cyclists then why have to install another app for even better gesture control

Another reason to favor Locus: DTSO is working for all apps whereas I only want gesture control to operate while running Locus. DTSO can be disabled of course but...

And behavior was little bit improved for navigation started off the track. Good to hear it works fine now.
in few short tests, navigation start has improved a lot, previously sometimes never "started", now actually works
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