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Someone wrote in another forum:  "It's also pertinent to know that Google recently closed the scoped storage Files app loophole, so many file manager apps no longer can see inside the private folders in the Android directory."

Thank you for clarifying this. I knew I wasn't crazy. I got a new phone a little while back running android 13 and I was able to use solid explorer to get in there and then last week I tried again, and it just wouldn't work.

I will try the method cited above after my ride tomorrow.  thanks.

There was an offending folder in themes with the name MAC_OSX which was from me compressing the new Adventure theme on my mac and no matter what program I tried, sold explorer etc. would not delete this folder....this is what was causing the apache xml blinking error.  I manually exported 2 tracks to gpx files that were after the last full backup then did a full restore and got it working again.

These are really question(s) not really a problem.

Can you explain why one would use Lorouter over Brouter?

Is the backend data different or does Lorouter use the same as brouter.

When I reinstalled v4 fresh did it write over the previous brouter downloaded data??? or since it is a separate app it did not?

tia