Re: [APP] - version 4.34.+ ( 05/2026 )

[freischneider]

The route is marked as poor in OSM. Potholes, cracks, etc. Bad for road bikes. You should adjust the OSM data if it's better in your local area.

If you are referring to the smoothness=intermediate tag - I think to classify this as "demanding" still is a bit to harsh. Since there is only one category of bad road in locus, it is s bit broad to classify this the same way as some really unrideable roads.

All the smoothness=intermediate I found in my neighborhood do not qualify as demanding. The OSM description also just says "may cause trouble for racing bikes." This is a Konjunktiv and only refers to a small subset of bikes.

So in my opinion the cutoff is better suited at smoothness=bad.

Greetings, Ulrich

It's not impassable. It is passable and has been graded. But with a warning—and that's important. If you ride your road bike into a pothole like that, you'll crash. That's why the warning is important.

[Ulrich Kiermayr]

It's not impassable. It is passable and has been graded. But with a warning—and that's important. If you ride your road bike into a pothole like that, you'll crash. That's why the warning is important.

I think it is a problem that there is only one fixed cutoff for all classes of "bad" surface. In my experience riding a rodadbike the smoothness=intermediate roads that I know do not pose a problem for road biking (except in a race maybe).

So in light of the discussion it would be useful if eiter

• More than one class of "bad" surface to get a better feeling of what to expect without checking every section, what exactly is meant by "demanding"
• make the cutoff configurable to get some liberty to what is accepatable as surface condition and what should generate a warning to accomodate different expectations/material

Greetings, Ulrich

[freischneider]

It's not impassable. It is passable and has been graded. But with a warning—and that's important. If you ride your road bike into a pothole like that, you'll crash. That's why the warning is important.

I think it is a problem that there is only one fixed cutoff for all classes of "bad" surface. In my experience riding a rodadbike the smoothness=intermediate roads that I know do not pose a problem for road biking (except in a race maybe).

So in light of the discussion it would be useful if eiter

• More than one class of "bad" surface to get a better feeling of what to expect without checking every section, what exactly is meant by "demanding"
• make the cutoff configurable to get some liberty to what is accepatable as surface condition and what should generate a warning to accomodate different expectations/material

Greetings, Ulrich

I think it would be most sensible if you submitted a suggestion to the helpdesk. Discussing this here is the wrong place.