"Vegan" icon for restaurants?

Started by Elmar B., June 05, 2025, 10:56:48

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Elmar B.

For the OSM amenity "restaurant", LoPoints uses a "V" which is a symbol for vegan restaurants, whenever the flag "diet:vegan" or "diet:vegetarian" is set to "yes" for the OSM entry.

Is this done by intention? Im my opinion, the "V" icon should only be used when the restaurant offers only vegan/vegetarian food ('diet:vegan=only' or 'diet:vegetarian=only'). The "diet:vegetarian=yes" applies to almost every restaurant, so the usage of the "V" as icon for the LoPoint is misleading imho.

I even saw a McDonald's displayed with a "V", which is far away from being a vegan restaurant...  :D

Example:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/105044618 ('Lechwiesen Süd' in Germany)

In OSM:
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In Locus Map:
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freischneider

The symbol should be displayed if the restaurant offers vegan or vegetarian dishes. Also in part.
It may be possible to distinguish between partially and only .
Partly the V green orange and only the V green.
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Hmm, diet:vegetarian = yes does not lead to a "V" LoPoint, some restaurants I know only have this tagged and are displayed with a normal restaurant LoPoint icon. diet:vegan = yes but always.

The question is, what do I want? Do I want to know whether you can also eat vegan there (e.g. if a vegan wants to eat out with friends who are not vegans) or do I only want to see purely vegan restaurants? I find both opinions justifiable.

diet:vegan = yes means according to OSM wiki: "This store or restaurant offers a decent amount of vegetarian products." What is "decent" is a matter of opinion and therefore this is certainly not tagged uniformly in OSM.

Difficult.

In the end, it all comes down to correct tagging in OSM anyway and unfortunately this is often not the case. I have found several actual vegan restaurants where the entry is simply missing and they therefore have the normal restaurant LoPoint icon.

BTW: The German LoPoint term "Vegetarisches Essen" is therefore incorrect and should be replaced by "Veganes Essen". Vegetarian and vegan are not the same thing and for many people this is a crucial difference.
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Radim V

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The current state of "veg_food" in Locus: 1. Places with "vegan" tagging. As mentioned above, that should mean "One full vegan meal at least". 2. Places with diet:vegetarian=only. That means translating is tricky and I make a mental note about that. Basically we wanted to give green V to places that indicate "veggie" people friendliness. But the current state is compromise, of course. We thought Veggie places are different from other minor cuisine distinctions, so they are given extra treatment, being directly search-exposed and being given special icon. (I know, koscher, glutten-free can be seen important by some people too). What we plan to do: POIs have "labels". These are qualities, such as wheelchair accessible, children-friendly e.t.c. Cuisines can be added, so even offline we can see what a restaurant is about.
McDonalds: Believe or not, there is something called McPlant, which is meant to be some veg(an)? burger. Here in Prague they are meant to be served at the airport. I have not been there, but formally: Given the above described logic, some McDonalds are vegan places, at least they say "We serve at least one full vegan meal". For a moment we used some "filter", so McDonalds, KFCs could not be "veggie", whatever they say about themselves but currently this ad-hoc extra logic is not used.
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