My library (Data manager), V2

[Tapio]

"Sub-Folders" is enough IMO.

@tapio - I guess everyone manages their data differently. I've always found the 2 level Group/ Folder system too inflexible.

I meant the menu text, remove the "also".

[Menion]

@Tapio
not working eye after edit of the folder > you simply edit folder > save and then multi-select and "visibility" eye do nothing? Can't simulate any problem here.

multi-select and "move" of more folders > currently only "delete" is possible. Working with multiple folders at once requires a different approach, so it was not yet a priority for me. Later ...

Unified editing screens > yes, they need some improvements as all were done over time and looks a little different, good point.

"Filters" > should be fully working!
"Sorting folders" > below
"Library search" > fully working! Start by top search button and enter text at the top blue bar.

"Sort tracks by length" > by bad, thanks

@freischneider
"Small folder symbol for direct subfolders and folder symbol in folder for all folders ?" > nice sentence  .

folder icons > previously, the situation was a lot easier. You had one screen with only folders (and groups) and the second with only points or tracks. Not all at once.

Anyway, I would really like to stick with the current solution (the "folder" icon with a small icon badge). So what may help here?
 - bigger icon for folders?
 - removing the second line with the "Folder" label so only a centered folder name will be visible?

The order of folders is currently by name only. The plan is to (most probably) allow custom sorting later.

"You could open folders and then they remained open. now they always close again." > if you want to start next time where you left off, use the top-left "cross" button.

@Neoaliphant
I understand the usefulness of tags. The current priority is really unification of the points/tracks system and more flexibility in managing folders. Tags or something similar will be discussed later.

We also need to add as much as possible functionality to iOS and the web portal (here it may be a problem again, sorry). "Tags" will add only a huge additional complexity, so not now, thanks for understanding.

@Andrew Heard
Android 8 is definitely not old. This happens right after installation, so even before restoring a backup? Simple clean install and start?

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There are a few valuable notes I probably not mention, anyway I've read everything at least twice and will think about it. Thanks!

[Graf Geo]

Yesterday, out of curiosity, I installed My library V2 on my old (and slow) SGS7 (Method 1). Everything worked fine, including the database conversion.

First impression: Ok, the UI is still a bit confusing and inelegant, but that's normal for a test version. Operation is not always completely intuitive, but you get used to it. I have noticed the following major problems:

Changing the icon of the root folder: After that, Locus crashes regularly when I open My library or try to save a track or point. The only solution is to restore the backup from the release version. Then, of course, I have to start from scratch again.

Then I created two new subfolders and moved some tracks into them. I then created a backup and restored it later after a crash. That worked, but the subfolders and all the tracks in them had disappeared. The only solution was to restore the backup from the release version.

UI: In the screenshots of Menion (in #1) and Tapio (in #26) I see a default folder icon on the left in the folder list and below it (very small) an individually assigned icon (screenshot 1). In my case there is no default folder icon, only the small icon that I have selected myself (screenshot 2). Not even in light mode. Unfortunately, my own icons are displayed very small, which is unfavourable as I have many meaningful icons of my own that are now difficult to see.

Filters: I don't understand how they work, or they don't work.

Style: I only recognise a difference between "Slim" and "Full". With the other settings (Basic - Advanced, Statistics) I don't see what they are supposed to do.

Eye-Icon (visiblity of tracks): Select all (or visible), Eye off does not work. All tracks remain visible and the eye icon remains active. The only solution is to deactivate the eye icon for each track individually. With the points, however, it works as it should.

These are my first impressions. I'll try to test further in the next days. )

[Graf Geo]

Another thing I had forgotten:

I had always missed the option to search for folders. Now that you can create as many subfolders as you like, I think this is even more important. Previously you could only search for tracks and points, but not for folders.

If I have a complex structure (e.g. Tracks -> Travel -> Holidays -> 2023 -> Prague/Paris/Spain etc.), I would like to be able to search directly for the "Prague" folder, for example.

[freischneider]

@Andrew: try to install the Google Play version and then make a backup.

[Tapio]

@Menion, not working eye, see:
https://youtube.com/shorts/CbCyilopZVQ?si=Eu97G7XnlPDHw-kt

Folder icons: all power to the user! Let them use whatever icon, at full size, and allow for an easy way to reset. The german saying is "Des Menschen Wille ist sein Himmelreich".

LM now doesn't allow to hide all elements from root level any more? Was in the menu before. I used it quite often.

Filtering does nothing here. I type hi into the name field, basic filtering... click "Filter", it just shows everything as before.

[Tapio]

"You could open folders and then they remained open. now they always close again." > if you want to start next time where you left off, use the top-left "cross" button.

No, it's more about expanding and collapsing groups, where, when opened, their folders could be shown at the same time. Like a tree view over 2 dimensions. Which we cannot have now.

[Tapio]

Search works, OK. Terminology: "Search in sub-folders", "Search in descriptions". "Settings" - Superfluous.

I was writing about slim view and no line break.

Related to screenshot. We don't necessarily need all tech info in list views. I think of biggest interest is what we are currently sorting by.

If items are sorted by track length, length should be shown to the left, in list views. If we sort by distance from here, distance should be left. A dynamic approach.
EDIT: I see you already do that. You should IMO give it more priority, put the sorting data field fully left or second, and then it's totally fine to not line break.

[freischneider]

folder icons > previously, the situation was a lot easier. You had one screen with only folders (and groups) and the second with only points or tracks. Not all at once.

Anyway, I would really like to stick with the current solution (the "folder" icon with a small icon badge). So what may help here?

Now we only have folders. So you don't need the icon for the folder. And it is in the 2nd line as text (folder).
For users who want to use the folder as an icon, you can leave it as the default. But I would like to replace the icon with one of my own in the same size.
But maybe I'm missing something? What speaks against it? Maybe a picture of it.
We can give it a try, if necessary we can go back.

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[Tapio]

@Freischneider re: "Now we only have folders" - and tracks and points on one level. That's probably why Menion likes the folder icon.

[Menion]

Beta RC9 published

@Graf Geo
"the UI is still a bit confusing and inelegant" > anything specific?

Change of the root folder icon > ah, another nasty problem, thanks! The modification of the root folder destroys the database, so do not do it for now! Sorry.

Restoring previous V2 backup > I've spent some time on it and all seems to work fine for me. Maybe somehow related to crashes? You will see it later.

Missing "folder" icon >  ... no idea for now, sorry.

Filtres > they indeed do not work in the generated version, hmm, fixed!!

Simple vs Advanced mode > functionality: identical. "Simple" > minimum visible active buttons on the screen for basic users. "Advanced" > very similar to the old data manager

Eye button > you are correct, again in the public version it has some troubles

Search for folders > good point. I've noted this to the remaining tasks. A little complicated, but ...

@Tapio
tree view > ah, oki. It is not anymore possible because of the multi-level structure.

@freischneider
Sorry, I still do not perfectly understand the main issue with the folder & its icons. The problem is that the folder item and point/track item looking too similar?

[freischneider]

@freischneider
Sorry, I still do not perfectly understand the main issue with the folder & its icons. The problem is that the folder item and point/track item looking too similar?

Ok, I'll try to explain it better.
I have selected my own symbol in the first folder. It was attached to the folder icon and is very small.
In the 2nd folder I have displayed it as I would like it to be.
I can quickly recognize which folder it is by a large symbol. At the moment the icon is very small and I have to read the text.

[Menion]

Oki. But, when the icon of the folder is selected icon, it will be a lot harder to quickly see what is the folder and what is the point as both will look almost identical, except for the second line "Folder" text (that I've just removed for test) vs point statistics..

Hmm, I'll be thinking about it. Anyway, I understand, that the icon of the folder is important for you.

[freischneider]

Thank you, I had the same thoughts about the difference.
But I think it's easy to tell the difference. There is only one line of text in a folder
In a point or track there is more information. Date, KM, distance, altitude.
and in a folder there are 0/4 for the contained elements.  So enough to clearly recognize a difference. What do other users say.
You could also make a separator in Locus Blue between the symbol and the text in folders. Or a frame around the symbol.
I don't know whether this looks good visually.

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[Graf Geo]

Beta RC9 published

@Graf Geo
"the UI is still a bit confusing and inelegant" > anything specific?

No, nothing specific für the moment. It's certainly a matter of getting used to it.There are small things, e.g. the Style icon looks "out of place". Maybe I'll get back to you later.

After updating to V 4.26.3.1 (MyLib), the root folder can be edited. I know there is no real reason to do this, but I tried it out of curiosity and now it doesn't cause any problems anymore.

Restoring previous V2 backup: I haven't done it again yet.

Missing "folder" icon: still not available for me. Not that important. Maybe it's because of my old device. I don't dare to install the myLib version on my current one yet.

Filtres: I know they've always been there, but I've never used them before and just don't understand how to use them. Is there a manual for this? Anyway, I've never missed it before.

Eye button: Seems to work fine now.

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