My library (Data manager), V2

[freischneider]

@freischneider,
 entschuldigen Sie den ersten negativen Eindruck. Hoffe, der zweite Versuch wird viel besser.

I didn't have a negative impression. As testers we are there to uncover such things. I also test on an old device and still have one that works.
The second test went well. All folders and tracks in the right place.

[freischneider]

First impression is good. I like that you can now create subfolders in several levels.
Suggestion: show how many subfolders are contained in the parent folder. At the moment it only shows how many tracks are contained and how many are displayed.
Display direct subfolders and folders in total (i.e. folders in subfolders). Display ? Possibly display number of tracks one line up and folder at the bottom, here the word folder is already in the line. Small folder symbol for direct subfolders and folder symbol in folder for all folders ?

[freischneider]

The clarity of the folders was better before. I had large icons instead of folders for the most important main folders. I was able to arrange them at the top by adding numbers to their names. The eye can see large icons in a more structured way.
I had all other superfolders (previously groups) with a folder as a folder icon. The corresponding subfolders then as an icon. A nice example is the vacation parent folder with a folder icon and the subfolders with icons depending on the country.
Possibly selectable. Folder as symbol, symbol or combination (as now) ?

Another point I have noticed. You could open folders and then they remained open. now they always close again.

[freischneider]

Points in folders for tracks: it's nice to have this function now.
It was also mentioned to have a point in several folders. This can of course be done by copying. But if I have a point in many folders and I want to add a picture later. Then I need to know where I have copied it to. Otherwise I don't have the information about the image.
Idea: just copy a link of the point to other folders.  When I open this, the original is always opened and changes are always up-to-date. Otherwise the link behaves like a normal point. Show, hide, navigate...
What do you think?

[Tapio]

Yeah, opening a group was some kind of tree view with the group as a top node. I think we lost that.

Using links (as in OS, NTFS links, junctions) comes with some complexity and probably support penalty.

[Tapio]

My thoughts about folder icons are these: Per default, use a predefined folder icon. If the user decides to use his own, that's up to the user. Show the user chosen icon at full size. Allow for easy and inherited reset of icons.

While the overall db change is big, at the same time it's conservative. Not too many changes for the user. This is maybe a good thing. I hope the foundations are open for more changes. Eg like tagging, as it has been mentioned.

I can also see there may be the need to unify point/track/folder edit screens.

@Freischneider your screenshots reveal, you have too much URLAUB. 😁 Well organised btw. 👍

[Tapio]

Slim view: Maybe a third option? Goal: As many entries per page as possible. Just one, max. 2 lines of text. No line break.

I like the new flexibility of organising points/tracks.

- Filters aren't active yet?
- Sorting folders, will it be possible?
- Library search, no text to enter? How is it working - display all, then filter?

[Neoaliphant]

a point in several folders.

The thing about points, for example if I have a folder called castles, and i add photos, descriptions, opening times...with new system its easy to have Castles as a folder within Places to visit etc

but if for exampel wanted to have a collection of points for an upcoming holiday...

what would eb easy is to have a text field in each POI, and we can put in free tags....

and then below the folders we have saved searches, and one of teh search criteria could be tags

this would give the functionality of a point being in multiple folders ( just tag in advance) but also be usefull for people who repeatedly search for things.....

[Tapio]

There's no possibility to sort tracks by their length.

[Andrew Heard]

It was also mentioned to have a point in several folders. This can of course be done by copying.

@freischneider the problem is: modify point in 1 folder, now inconsistent with any other copies

[Andrew Heard]

There's no possibility to sort tracks by their length.

@tapio - I'm assuming these are just (relatively) minor small-picture details compared with the overall design concept; will have to resurrect an old device so I can have more constructive suggestions.

+6 hours: I installed MapGooglePlay_4.26.3.1_1149 MyLibV2 RC8_beta.apk > displays release notes > tap OK > below - can't do anything else ;-(
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@menion - maybe old tablet with Android 8.1 is too old??

[Tapio]

"Sub-Folders" is enough IMO.

As for slim view. If there wasn't the text "Folder" (which is sooo repetetive), resulting in just one text line, space could be saved.

For people with many folders and tracks, some very dense view and the possibility to instantly overlook like ~15 items is valuable.

I think Google and their UI ideas is who started space wasting years ago. But we aren't all 90 year olds with Parkinson. And the LM data management is not only operated with gloves on and while on a bike. 😁

[Neoaliphant]

It was also mentioned to have a point in several folders. This can of course be done by copying.

@freischneider the problem is: modify point in 1 folder, now inconsistent with any other copies

Exactly, this has been a problem for me for years....

[freischneider]

@Andrew. I had the same error.
Delete everything on old device
Install the latest version
Install a backup of your main device
Check that everything is running (including folder assignment (backup, SRTM....))
then install my libary

[Andrew Heard]

In my 1st post I should have included the 2 below screenshots. I tapped "Restore from backup" and you can see grayed out "Backup manager" displayed behind the 2nd screen.
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thanks @freischneider - this time I uninstalled the app, installed new beta, run > displays opening 4 jigsaw pieces then a few seconds later Android messagebox says "Locus Map has stopped, Open app again". So this is even worse than my first attempt. Android 8.1. I can't "afford" to test on a newer device sorry.

"Sub-Folders" is enough IMO.

@tapio - I guess everyone manages their data differently. I've always found the 2 level Group/ Folder system too inflexible.