Locus Map 4, discussion (alpha)

[poutnikl]

It makes sense, creating directly a straight segment by long pressing the profile button.

And one would avoid switching the profiles.

+1

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[Menion]

@lor74cas
so your suggested steps are
- long press on "Route type" button
- a single press on the "+" that now adds single "manual line" segment
- another press on "+" button again adds current selected "Route type" segment
am I right?

Btw. how often you need this feature?

There also is a quite fast method (at least faster than 6 taps):
- add second line by "+" button (1 tap), app computes new route
- tap on the route/segment (2 taps)
- tap on recalculate (3 taps)
- choose "manual" and confirm (5 taps)

[john_percy]

I often need this feature. I like to draw my proposed hiking routes beforehand and many times the paths are either incomplete on the oam maps or fail to join up properly. If I allow the routing engine to compute the leg in that case I get either a ridiculously convoluted route or a failure. I don't like @menion's slightly shorter recompute technique.

I thought @lor74cas  was suggesting:
- long press on "Route type" button adds single "manual line" segment
- another press on "+" button adds current selected "Route type" segment

[poutnikl]

I got it the same, as I have expressed above, which I see as quite nice.

( * = "long press routing button" )

+   = routing segment(via currently selected profile)
+   = another routing segment
*    = straight segment
+   = routing segment
*    = straight segment
*    = another straight segment
+   = routing segment

I do not use such approach often, but I understand for heavy off-road hikers it would be useful feature. It is not only a workaround for missing/wrong OSM mapping, but also for the true lack of OSM ways to be passed, or their intentional avoiding.

And LocusMap is for heavy off-road hikers more than most of other applications.

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[freischneider]

When planning MTB routes, I often have segments that are not in OSM. These are illegal trails. They are not allowed in OSM. I often have to switch to manual route type and then back to MTB.

[freischneider]

I also use it when I navigate a recorded track from the internet. Locus automatic navigation is not very good. We discussed it here. https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/navigation-from-track
Therefore I redraw the route with the route planner. There are often places where there is a meadow or between 2 fields. Where there is no way. Often common when hiking.

[lor74cas]

I often need this feature. I like to draw my proposed hiking routes beforehand and many times the paths are either incomplete on the oam maps or fail to join up properly. If I allow the routing engine to compute the leg in that case I get either a ridiculously convoluted route or a failure. I don't like @menion's slightly shorter recompute technique.

I thought @lor74cas  was suggesting:
- long press on "Route type" button adds single "manual line" segment
- another press on "+" button adds current selected "Route type" segment

Yes thank you

[Menion]

Oki, fine.
As I use "manual mode" really rarely, it is harder for me to decide.
On top of topic should be a small poll with two options, so please vote about your preferences, thanks.

[freischneider]

Suggestion: click on + adds segment with selected route type. Long click on + adds segment with route type manually.

[tapio]

I voted "Long click on "+" button: add manual segment between last point > map center"
Because: a) I don't need what's currently on longclick+. and b) I think it is a rather regularly used function and we achieve a lot of convenience. Very good icitiative from lor74cas.

If this is implemented, @Menion can also allow to hide the manual profile just like the other profile types.

[lor74cas]

Another way to exit from Locus.

I usually forget to exit locus, but the notify icon remembers me it's there in background.
I'd like to close Locus with a swipe on the notification icon, when no others Locus services are working (Live Tracking / Rec / Nav / Guide ...), I do not know if android permits this use of notifications.

[poutnikl]

I have voted "Long click on "Route type": add manual segment between last point > map center",
I use long click + for point selection much more often then straight segments, and the latter would be still handy via other button..

[freischneider]

a long click on route type is safer than on +. Because the button is bigger.
But if you choose the route type at the beginning and then hide it. As Tapio suggested, the + would clearly be an advantage.

[Menion]

Hmm oki, votes counting ...

It is clearly visible to me how (almost) everyone here thinks... it's expected ... "I need this, dot".

The problem with the most voted feature is, that long click on the "+" button already has its functionality that is there for a very very long time. Fact, that you do not use it does not mean, no other users use it as well. So it's not possible to simply change it. There are of course some options, I'll think about it.

[Andrew Heard]

I have also voted "Long click on "Route type". Long click on + already has a function whereas long click on Route type is currently "unallocated". Definitely no more buttons please. I like the idea of user toggle rather than just one direct segment then revert.