Locus Map 4, discussion

[tapio]

@luxcalor
- for hiding the right panel exists "Presets", so suggest to use them to modify the style of the main screen.

Hmmm, like Lux I also think it would be logical and flexible to just let the user fully hide each panel he wishes. Why should there be exceptions?
The only "problem" I see is, if all are set to hidden, double tap will do nothing.

[freischneider]

2) Function buttons on bottom panel are now tiny - attached. I reset preferences, and function buttons on bottom panel are now OK. PS. it seems related to Presets.

I also had the small symbols in the Pro this week. Top bar and side bar. After restart, everything was fine again.

[Andrew Heard]

1) sure, magnifier cause map to be draw twice, so it require 2x CPU to draw map ... it may be slow with more content or slower devices.

@menion - no - not 2x CPU, its was going from nice to near unusable, but most important point - even after magnifier is turned back off. PS. tested again right now (4 hours later) & working OK, so I can't explain.

It looks like map rotation only works when the GPS is enabled right? Should the compass be hidden or grayed out if GPS is off. It is a bit confusing when the compass is displayed but the map is not rotating.

3) just to be sure ... where is pointing red part of arrow?

red arrow? that is just a map cursor & has nothing to do with the tiny icons in bottom panel which occur after I invoke a Preset. Attached is another screen cap as soon as Locus4 is run. Note the compass is right outside it's white circle background. Next time I restarted it was OK though.

I don't normally do this amount of Locus testing in months but is it my imagination - Locus4 seems more sensitive to satellites than Pro - in my testing Locus4 displays satellites while I'm seated inside house whereas Pro finds nothing.

[john_percy]

For me, the mini icons appear in the bottom row if I chose to have five buttons in the bottom row but revert to normal size when I change to four buttons in the bottom row.


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[menion]

Permanently hidden bottom & right panel: sorry guys, but not. Both panels are made for quick access to features. The simple logic is: if the panel contains something, display it, if not, hide it. Hide it permanently? Only in rare cases like @luxcalor wrote for example. Anyway, these rare cases may be solved by Presets, so use them. On the second side, accidental hiding of panels causes us only trouble (on the support web) and may confuse users.

I'm also not sure about automatic hiding of empty bottom panel ... have to think about it more. Because as @tapio correctly wrote ... empty panel (automatically hidden) won't appear by double click ... and confused user may only ask "why?".

"Small buttons in the bottom" > got it, thanks John. It is indeed incorrectly wrote shrinking of buttons in case of insufficient space.

@Andrew Heard
it's correct. Map rotation works when GPS is on and the map is centered. I plan to improve the style of these two buttons, so will keep this issue in my mind, thanks. There is also a fact, that you may rotate map by two fingers, which little complicate life .

GPS > major part of source code is shared between both versions (and will be), so all these technicals, like functions that take care about GPS, are identical.

Problem with "Show view": may you please just check settings > GPS & sensors > Orientation > Compatibility mode. If you change this, "Show view" still displays 180° difference? I just can't find any reason why this should not work on the south hemisphere :/.

[balloni55]

- why you miss the "title" option?
- and what is SS SR?

quick info about version, no long clicks menu/appinfo/appinfo...
and if i run Pro and Beta to compare functions it´s always clear which is used

SS> sunset  SR> sunrise

- the right panel should automatically move up when the bottom panel appears.

see screenshot

- auto-hide option always grayed > do not understand, sorry

solved with answer #129 to luxcalor

ad EDIT: no matter what I do, I still see the same content of functions

that was my mistake again... and I'm sure many will make the same one

preset settings have to be made via the edit function of each preset.

Here locus should show a warning message when the user tries to change or move the icons of the preset using the function panel
or you make it work this way

[luxcalor]

I'm also not sure about automatic hiding of empty bottom panel

At least let this option be for those who don't want to use the bottom panel. Thanks

[menion]

@balloni55
- ahh, SSSR, oki, thanks

- resize (cut bottom part after bottom panel appears) of side function panel > doesn't look so, but it's a quite complicated task. No simple solution so far.

- problem with function panel sorting: so you have a preset with predefined function panel so you lost your custom sorting after activation of this Preset, right? Then it's correct expected behavior.

[tapio]

Menion, idea. If no panel is left on double tap, ie all set to hidden, because user wishes so (flexibility is good 😊) or if user didn't know: in order to prevent support question and in order to help user you could display the window as attached. ie on no bar + double tap.

Any plans for the top bar? To me it would be much more interesting if it could host all functions plus the stuff it already displays. At least, it could be split, there's a wasted right half.
When displaying battery, the old 2 lines of text were a better layout if you have a notch like I have. The text didn't go into the notch area, but now it does. I have attached the old bar and how it worked well eg with my Mate 20 X notch.

[Andrew Heard]

it's correct. Map rotation works when GPS is on and the map is centered. I plan to improve the style of these two buttons, so will keep this issue in my mind, thanks. There is also a fact, that you may rotate map by two fingers, which little complicate life .

@menion - important qualifier -  settings > GPS & sensors > Orientation > Compass
it appears default for this setting is Orientation via GPS? So map rotation doesn't work if standing still right? Would Auto be better as default setting? Otherwise confusing. Or as suggested before, if compass is ignored because of this above or any combination of settings, maybe compass is grayed out?

BTW two finger zoom would require me to cut 2nd finger tip off cycling glove, not preferred.

Problem with "Show view": may you please just check settings > GPS & sensors > Orientation > Compatibility mode. If you change this, "Show view" still displays 180° difference?

thanks - fixed with Compatibility mode. Interesting. What are the tradeoffs using Compatibility mode? There must be some negative otherwise Compatibility mode would always be used.

New minor issue - from map screen > tap main menu > drag up as far as possible - always drag stops before Settings is displayed. Then require a 2nd drag to see Settings & bottom LOCUS MAP. Intentional? Confusing.

[menion]

@tapio
- thanks for the tip. If we decide to all hiding of all panels, display of settings, in this case, may be useful.

- top bar > I may guarantee that it won't be possible to add actions there, like before. The top panel will remain as a static panel with information. But the final design was not yet done. Notch areas are a problem that needs to be solved, agree.

@Andrew Heard
The default value for orientation source is "Auto-change", not GPS.
I mentioned two-finger rotate as a complication to display the current status. Because if you rotate manually, once you stop, the map does not rotate by compass but is still rotated.

Sensor compatibility mode > interesting. This mode uses the older technique to compute device orientation. It is slower and you may notice that map rotation is not so fluent, it is shaking a little. Not a big problem and because on some devices, non-compatible mode gave incorrect results, we left in the app this fallback option.

Scroll of bottom main menu > good point. Not sure how to solve it, but I'll try. Definitely not an intent.

[Saturo]

Looking for a good solution to backup my current installation.

[Andrew Heard]

The default value for orientation source is "Auto-change", not GPS.

@menion - strange - I had not changed this value but I had performed Reset Preferences more than once. So why would the setting be GPS not Auto-change? Still I make the point, if compass is ignored because of this setting, does it make sense to display the compass? Happy new year.

[Saturo]

Without zoom buttons I cannot zoom with one finger. The zoom buttons above the map are not very nice. Why can't the zoom buttons be in the bottom bar as before? For me, this is a worsening improvement.

[balloni55]

My setting: auto hide top and bottom panel
- if i double click on visible bottom panel, panels disapeare as expected
- if i  double click on visible top panel two information windows open