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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2019, 13:22:16 »
That map center button is terrifying for mountain hikers and climbers.

- When bottom bar is displayed, it visually represents sliding down a slope
- When the bottom bar disappears: all is lost. It falls off a cliff.

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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2019, 13:28:09 »
Do you mean to enable map rotation? This one is the second click on the center button. At the moment, you are "centered", the second click enable rotation.

If you mean "Show view", this is as well as "magnifier" in Map-screen content > Auxiliary graphics settings
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2019, 13:35:35 »
@Andrew Heard
nice feedback, thanks.
Fewer configuration options? Do not understand. Before, bottom panel was completely fixed without any options. Currently half of the bottom (previously top) and right panel are fully configurable, so "no change". Probably some screenshot? Anyway, if we talk about the cover by "Dashboard", then it, of course, may not fix.

Improvement should not be now in functionality, but in usability. Current version suffer by two main problems I try to solve here.
a) very important control buttons are too far away (whole top panel, main menu)
b) screen is full of buttons where many is not usable by majority of users and some of them are not clear enough (mainly content of the bottom panel).

Zoom buttons are "close" ... it's the same as in the current version versus distance to bottom system navigation panel. This is anyway one of things that needs to be tested in the field, not on sofa.

Integrated notify center is just a method how to get rid of floating button on the map screen when not needed.

"Map screen content" button ... hideable, understand. Currently, it is not possible. Not sure if will be to be true as it will contain some unique features not available on any other place in the app.

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nope, sorry. The inner rendering system was rewritten half year ago, but still uses a combination of hardware (for maps) and software (for visible points/tracks) rendering.

When we will talk about the app itself, I'm firstly doing steps that may (or may not) help us survive next year(s). This means improve usability and simplify UI. Have a nice days on your travels too!

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"Vertical inverse order of sidebar is confusing", why? just because you are used to using the current system?
"Top bar is quite useless currently" ... agree. Its purpose is not yet decided. By the poll I made, most of people wants to keep it and add some more customization options. So I think about the single-like panel with some more options ...
"Allow for hiding anything via a double-tap, or after timeout!" ... you may hide everything except "Main menu", "Center/rotate" and "Map content". Still not enough? :)
"Allow to add more than 8 user def. main menu entries" ... I was also thinking about this. The main menu is not quite well accessible (compare to current system) so it starts to make sense to use it more often and do not place everything into function panels.

"Center button" ... hmm, I'll do for your special version that will instead of this "hole" icon display something you like. Maybe an icon with jot coffee? :)
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2019, 16:38:00 »
first test during a short geocache walk.

i do not find it practical to control with one button "rotation of the map" as well as the "centering"

Screenshot:
1. rotating compass needle is missing
2. icons in the side panel are partially hidden
3.0 when the map is moved, the rotating arrows on the button are no longer displayed, although the map continues to rotate
3.1 the same behaviour also occurs when preset is changed.
3.2 if a map with shifted map center is displayed and then the center button is pressed, the map jumps to the real map center
3.3
- dispay a rotating map
- switch off the GPS
- click this button (several times)
- there is no possibility to return to the rotating map
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2019, 17:57:05 »
I do not want to create some new system regards this center/rotate button. What I would like to do is replicate an existing system that already uses Google Maps on Android. This answer on part of your question.

1. will be most probably included in "centering" button itself in case, rotation is active
2. ah thanks
3. all these points should be solved ... but I'll rather double check it so thanks for the points! Just short: if you won't be centered or GPS will be off, the rotation should be temporarily disabled
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2019, 19:05:35 »
How disable rotation without centering?
I do not think one button is a clever step.

Where i have to put the theme files?
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2019, 19:36:58 »
Oki, understand. No more comments related to this button needed. I'll create a working updated version to the next app version.

Theme? Please specify, not sure I understand.
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2019, 20:22:47 »
Where do I have to copy the OSM render themes to use them with the alpha version?
 

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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2019, 22:06:59 »
There is no possibility to completely hide the zoom buttons.
The menu always remains displayed. For me it is enough to pull the menu from the left.
Top bar makes no sense. I would like to hide them. Fade in only when needed. You can also expand the right bar at the top when it is full.
 

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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2019, 00:25:43 »
Map Screen Content button > Auxiliary Graphics > Coordinates Grid gives a pop up  apparently for Map Shading that does nothing useful and has to be dismissed by tapping its X.


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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2019, 01:36:33 »
>Fewer configuration options? Do not understand
you are correct sorry, was my incorrect 1st impression

>very important control buttons are too far away (whole top panel, main menu)
I previously had *less* important buttons on top panel - more for visual status (color of the button) than needing to tap - GPS, track recording, POI alert, live tracking
the only change has been to swap top for bottom buttons - so why not just make top AND bottom buttons *all* configurable?

>Zoom buttons are "close"... it's the same as in the current version versus distance to bottom system navigation panel
not sure I understand - zoom buttons are now further away from bottom of screen, and easier to tap another button by mistake

> Not sure if will be to be true as it will contain some unique features not available on any other place in the app
so why not allow those unique features to be configurable/ displayable from the main menu or as function panel buttons for those that want them? so also nicely integrated with presets
you could have the zoom buttons an options for function panel buttons so they are right at the bottom of screen like current pro/ beta, or any place the user decides, and allow hiding of current zoom buttons

>By the poll I made, most of people wants to keep it and add some more customization options
I can't recall - did the poll ask what option is most important to a user for top panel? just curious
3 people incl. me on this topic page want to hide the top bar/ panel; that doesn't seem like most want to keep it

>Allow to add more than 8 user def. main menu entries
the main menu could serve same purpose as the Quick Actions menu button; the Quick Actions button becomes a bit redundant

can someone please explain how the new single map center button replaces the functionality of the previous two map center/ rotates buttons? I like the concept, just don't yet understand how it works; tried double & long taps but not obvious; maybe lack of compass didn't help either
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2019, 15:37:15 »
@joeloc
nope, sorry. The inner rendering system was rewritten half year ago, but still uses a combination of hardware (for maps) and software (for visible points/tracks) rendering.
Ok... will keep my fingers crossed for Locus 5 then. Maybe we can handle more than 10 tracks gracefully in 2025 :-).
 

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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #57 on: December 23, 2019, 18:17:00 »
How do I activate the zoom lock now?
 

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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2019, 19:27:45 »
When starting locus the +-zoom buttons are visible on map although the zoom control switch is off.
During locus operation the switch works
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Re: Locus Map 4, discussion
« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2019, 00:02:06 »
If you mean "Show view", this is as well as "magnifier" in Map-screen content > Auxiliary graphics settings

I came here to ask, where did the magnifier go?  Now I know.  But I only use it for a few seconds at a time, then turn it off.  Hopefully there'll be a way to anchor a magnifier button in a panel, like there exists in Pro now.  (Couldn't find a way in 4 Alpha today.)  I'll never use the magnifier if it's buried three taps deep.

Also, I really really would like to continue using centered zoom buttons.

Is this new UI aimed at newbies, or will existing users have to adapt as well?  I've read somewhere, a significant UI change needs to be noticeably better - some percentage was mentioned - to convince people to switch.  At the moment, I see more things that worry me, than things that please me.

PS, Pro is almost perfect now!
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