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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #180 on: October 02, 2017, 23:33:53 »
They should not be used as "negative viapoints/shapepoints".
I sometimes find nogo's very convenient for negative viapoints/shapepoints. Sometimes it is the fastest method for shaping my route.
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #181 on: October 03, 2017, 08:47:01 »
@lor74cas:
 ah understand, thanks. Internal Locus profiles are made @pountikl but are already quite old. Seems I'll have to update it.

@LocusUser#1:
1) just yesterday morning I've removed it ;)
2) good point, I'll think about it and probably remove as well, thanks

Nogo usage:
- here comes good question that will define UX around nogos. What is a main purpose of these areas? I was always working on it with single idea in mind: define area, where is any problem so I wants to avoid it. Exactly as wrote Libor here .
I never thought about them as about tool that should "shape" an planner route. And to be true, I still see no reason for this. Because I expect that planner will mostly me used really for planning, one or two clicks more for additional shaping points, does not look like a problem.

So for now:
  • nogo's are separate function with global impact, so they are used in route planner and also in navigation/recalculation etc.
  • no UI with list of nogo areas and it's easier manipulation is planned
  • no option to set impact on hike/bike/car is currently planned

Feel free to discuss about them, but it is not a priority for me for now and I'm personally still not sure how to deal with this feature, so consider current state as some "Alpha version", thanks for understanding.
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #182 on: October 03, 2017, 11:13:30 »
I never thought about them as about tool that should "shape" an planner route. And to be true, I still see no reason for this.
Often BRouter needs no encouragement but sometimes I encourage the chosen route with a Shaping point, sometimes with a NOGO area. Each has it's use and advantage depending on the characteristics of the current route. Generally for me a NOGO is only needed for the life of the route. No longer. As my cycle touring is always to a new area.
 
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #183 on: October 03, 2017, 11:15:31 »
In this case, permanent nogo areas also cause no problems to you, right? And with some default validity value set to for example 14 days since create, it solve also automatic clear of old areas, hmm?  ;)
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #184 on: October 03, 2017, 11:25:13 »
No problems for me; either way. I only reply to your comment "I see no reason..." with my reason :)

Just a general comment:- Until now I have used the "external BRouter" method of route planning - http://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:user_guide:tracks:planning:brouter. I can quickly generate X routes for X profiles, then compare & contrast. But now, finally, the new Route Planner has overtaken this method for convenience. With Shaping points & NOGO areas it just gets better & better.
 
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #185 on: October 03, 2017, 11:38:01 »
They should not be used as "negative viapoints/shapepoints".
I sometimes find nogo's very convenient for negative viapoints/shapepoints. Sometimes it is the fastest method for shaping my route.
I mean - description of what I want is easier by expressing what I want, not by what I do not want. If I would try to order my dinner by nogo approach.....

The admitted advantage of nogos for route shaping is that it bypasses eventual viapoint count restrictions. Personally I prefer to use the profile that follows my priorities and eventually I choose viapoints that I do want visit or go through.

It not at all about users should act this way, I am just describing my way. That is all.
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #186 on: October 03, 2017, 11:53:15 »
Generally for me a NOGO is only needed for the life of the route. No longer. As my cycle touring is always to a new area.

I see. But imagine everyday bicycle commuting in big cities with regular municipal announcements about short and long term road closures. There is even Android application to monitor them for my country. They are often not updated in OSM, or with delays, or routers generally do not deal well with time restrictions.

I have a nogo folder in Locus and put their nogos there with target date in name, periodically purging them.
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #187 on: October 03, 2017, 12:43:48 »
It would also be possible to make NOGO points as sets. One set would be cycling, another for hiking. Selecting a set-up for a route outside the route planner could then be solved using presets, and NOGO could also appear on the screen while driving.

CZ: Bylo by taky možné udělat NOGO body jako sady. Jednu sadu bych pak měl třeba na cyklistiku, jinou pro turistiku. Výběr sady pro výpočet mimo plánovač tras by se pak mohl řešit pomocí presetů, NOGO by se taky mohly ukazovat na obrazovce za jízdy.
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #188 on: October 04, 2017, 00:58:44 »
But imagine everyday bicycle commuting in big cities with regular municipal announcements about short and long term road closures.
@poutnikl - yes of course.
 

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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #189 on: October 04, 2017, 18:42:49 »
New Beta version 3.25.5.5 just uploaded. Enjoy it.
Also because of new problems with Dropbox, I'm thinking about publishing new version with updated Route planner & Track editor next week. Few last days to stop me ;).

EDIT: ah, incorrectly inserted list of news, so here is it:
chg: huge number of changes in Route planner and track editor. Polished UI, texts, functionality
chg: completely removed old "Add new route" and "Track editor". No way back...
fix: not working Dropbox support
fix: crash when sharing export track on Android 8.0
fix: not working language switch on Xiaomi devices
fix: disabled store permanently for navigation does not work correctly ( http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/if-navigate-to-route-is-recalculated-the-store-permanently-setting-is-ignored-route-is-permanent )
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #190 on: October 04, 2017, 22:44:48 »
Why do not add import function to the pop up window of + icon in data manager instead to search it in the top right corner on the ... icon ?

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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #191 on: October 05, 2017, 07:01:12 »
Good point, thanks!
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #192 on: October 05, 2017, 09:43:06 »
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/convert-to-navigation-waypoint-edit-this-waypoint
Locus 3.25.5 (no pc): Create Info Point is possible, but is a complex so slow process.
Faster by (single tap) "Point" menu ?
Point:
=> Delete
=> Move
=>To Trackpoint
=>To Shaping Point
=>To Navigation Point => SELECT Navigation Icon => SAVE
=>To Via Point => EDIT name => SAVE
=>To Info Point => EDIT name => EDIT description => SELECT Garmin/Locus Icon => SAVE
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #193 on: October 05, 2017, 11:14:34 »
New Beta version 3.25.5.5 just uploaded. Enjoy it.
chg: huge number of changes in Route planner
@menion - huge change from 3.25.5.2? really? what to test?

Until now I haven't tested the Track Editor. For me not needed much with Route Planner. But a question: if I move to first or last track point in the Track Editor does it make sense for Tools > Insert break menu item to be enabled? A break can only be inserted when an intermediate point is selected?

Track Editor > Tools > "Tuto, remove"
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Re: [APP] - version 3.25.+ ( 9. 8. 2017 )
« Reply #194 on: October 05, 2017, 12:01:01 »
hello, my name is shara, i'm italian girl and sorry for my language  ;-)
I have install first time locus for a week
i have nexus 5x and android 8 Oreo
pc windows 8.1
my question's:
1) to know my version where I have to look?

2) one problem is share track, but I saw that it was solved with new version..good
but i have another problem: if I save the track (example in the export folder...), if i connect the nexus of the Pc
in the Locus/export folder I can not find the gpx file...I have to restart nexus, for find the file..
(is the problem locus? or android, nexus, pc..?

3) the version in this post is beta...where then I find the  stable version ?
 and for update version, first best to uninstall actual version? but the folder locus/map are you lost?
(i have several maps GB in this folder..)

thanks shara