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Locus Map (4+) / Re: Routing over online/internal BRouter

« on: January 27, 2021, 14:46:03 »

Yes, my request is to do it like brouter-web and dynamically parse and display all parameters from brf file.

I don't have a specific request for confirmed parameters, despite maybe the kinematic model parameters (totalMass, Maxspeed etc.), which are brouter-builtin.

All other parameters I would like to use mostly exist in single profiles only and therefor I wouldn't recommend adding them as supported to Locus just because of this one profile.
For example, I created an enduro-motorcycle profile on user-request which has a "non-standard" parameter to switch the avoidance of paths, or I consider adding another parameter to influence uphill routing on paths to my mtb profile etc...). Without support for generic parameters, I would have to generate separate profiles of all permutations of profile parameters like libor does, but it gets confusing and it's not easily switcheable for example in a routeplanner session (if the profile-variants aren't already assigned to the (limited) slots in Locus).

As I wrote before, I think it's ok that the default setting only shows the whitelisted parameters (as is now).
But I would like to have the possibility to enable "full dynamic parameter" mode in expert settings for power-users (which you clearly embrace with locus (intens, url favourites, bt-buttons, dashboards, quick pois, presets...should I go on with the list?  )).
Maybe you could group the whitelisted parameters at the top of the settings dialog and show the other "non-standard" parameters below. Maybe with a caption "additional settings" and in a fainter color?

Your Enduro motorcycle profile.
Being as none of the profiles really cater to any kind of off road or unpaved roads for motorcycle that sounds exciting. I'm not very tech savvy so I'm still " navigating " my way through the program and trying to talor it to meet my needs for on road / off road motorcycle riding.
I don't want to end up on MTB trails that are not for motor vehicle use.


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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 30, 2020, 12:38:10 »

Absolutely not suggesting anything to bypass any laws.
It's those that bypass laws and private property restrictions that ruin our sports for everyone else.
If a road is legally accessable by motorized vehicles it would be nice to route plan easily on that road


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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 30, 2020, 12:36:28 »

Im not sure exactly how I would insert the code into the subfolder I created. I can use Locus and Brouter but that's about it lol

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 30, 2020, 11:57:46 »

It is called BRouter routing profile, rather than a theme. It is a script like file with extension .brf.

You need not BRouter-web for using custom profiles. You can place the profile in profiles2 subfolder of BRouter data folder ( or BRouter subfolder (I think) within Locus data folder ) and use it as any other BRouter profile.

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Yes correct profile. I was thinking of two things at once and typed the wrong one. I edited my post

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 30, 2020, 11:55:57 »

I have found some partial discussion about enduro profile...

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/osm-android-bikerouting/WYvLYV5fq0o/0SFoq7OnCgAJ

Note that I am quite hesitant to write specialized motorbike profiles for unpaved roads,as the network of unpaved but allowed roads is quite limited in many countries. Removing profile access restrictions can lead to profile abuse. Ignoring restrictions by 2 or 4 wheel off-road vehicles is often seen even without BRouter.

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Yes I'm sure creating a specific profile could come with many issues, and also render the profile not useful in many ways. Unfortunately people will always make their own rules and not only disrespect other people's sport, but they will also ruin it all for everyone. Whether it be going around gates, entering private property or leaving trash. That's what gets trails closed and more areas marked as do not trespass.
I notice there are profiles that are more specific to other countries.
I'm sure that's not an easy task. Then to do that for motorcycles would be a change.

Even if not a specific unpaved surfaces profile for motorcycles, yet one with modifications and less restrictions would be helpful. Less penalties as you put it.

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 30, 2020, 11:45:37 »

As it happens, another board user asked me if I could adept my mountainbike profile towards enduro motorcycle use some time ago.
He used the mountainbike profile because of it's major road avoidance/gravel road preference but didn't want the path/singletrail preference.

You can find the adepted profile here:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zossebart/brouter-misc/enduro-mc/enduro-mc.brf

You can paste it into the profile source box in brouter-web to test it (wrench symbol -> Profile-tab -> replace Text with content from enduro-mc.brf -> press Apply).

Maybe it's of use for you, also? Feedback would be appreciated!

As it happens, another board user asked me if I could adept my mountainbike profile towards enduro motorcycle use some time ago.
He used the mountainbike profile because of it's major road avoidance/gravel road preference but didn't want the path/singletrail preference.

You can find the adepted profile here:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zossebart/brouter-misc/enduro-mc/enduro-mc.brf

You can paste it into the profile source box in brouter-web to test it (wrench symbol -> Profile-tab -> replace Text with content from enduro-mc.brf -> press Apply).

Maybe it's of use for you, also? Feedback would be appreciated!

Thank you that sounds like it could be the closest profile for Enduro / Adventure motorcycle riding.
It will be a few days before I'm able to try it on Brouter-Web. 99% of my route planning is done offline. I have never used Brouter-Web until yesterday. It's offline ability for route planning and navigation is what makes Locus so excellent.
Would there be a chance to make that profile available offline as part of the optional profiles ? Maybe a Beta run. There are hundreds of people on Adventure Rider forum that ride all over the world that could offer excellent feedback. ADVrider is how I found out about Locus and there is much talk and many questions there. I know people would be excited to try a routing profile that has less limitations.
Here is a link to just one thread.

https://advrider.com/f/threads/locus.989332/


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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 17:47:30 »

Ah I see a discussion you might have referred to.

https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/brouter-car-mode-truly-hates-unpaved-roads

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 17:40:34 »

Check also if there is "hard refusion" of that unpaved road ( routing there at no circumstances ), or if there is only very high penalty.

In the latter case,BRouter would prefer even quite crazy  detour if possible. If you disable such options by nogo points, it would accept the unpaved road as a last resort.

I remember similar case for a Canadian car driver, as many Canadian roads are unpaved and the original car profiles have very high penalties for unpaved roads.
It was fixed for his case by lowering penalty ( for car-like  profiles by increasing the max speed value ).

BTW, I have told Arndt multiple times the car profiles penalizes unpaved roads too much, what makes them unusable for regions with many unpaved roads.

I remember creating an experimental motorbike profile, preferring more winding roads by negative turning penalty.

As I see multiple motorcycle related posts in BRouter mailgroup or Locus forum, I think they would deserve a dedicated profile author among motorbikers. ;-)

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I'm not familiar with the penalty settinings. Thank you I'll investigate.
I agree 100% about profile options. Even though so many prefer Brouter /  Locus as primary for offline Navigation they are having to resort to many other apps to create tracks. Some people then just stay with the other app rather than create tracks, convert, then load to Locus.

So what happened to your experimental motorcycle profile ? Sounds interesting


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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 16:24:38 »

There is an option to avoid unpaved roads for profile settings.
We would be forever grateful if there was a " prefer unpaved roads " option

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 15:47:25 »

The bad part is even though I can " force " a route to continue by changing the profile, there will be times where it is not a through road.
Opposite side is I bypass roads that are actually accessable by motor vehicle

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 15:43:15 »

Interestingly in shortest profile it allows it to continue.
Offline using shortest - motorcar it does not.



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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 15:35:54 »

It does allow routing to continue in bicycle profile but it would also do that offline.

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 15:21:46 »

I created a partial route using Brouter- Web. Wow that's fantastic I've never used that.
One of the roads in question still won't allow the route to continue in car mode. As you can see on the map it shows it as a trail ?
However it's not. It's a rather wide, smooth gravel road that is never gated and gets vehicle traffic often.

So the issue is in the mapping ?

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 14:50:00 »

Ok I'll check that out.
The roads in particular that I'm speaking of are roads I actually travel often. My concern is that if I cannot plan routes for roads I know are legal public roads for motor vehicles, then when planning a trip in an area I'm not familiar with I will not be able to efficiently plan a route.

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Navigation & Guidance / Re: Route planning

« on: July 29, 2020, 13:59:21 »

Any profile that is for a motorized vehicle has the issue. It's as if it's labeled the road as off limits to motor vehicles.


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