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#1
Hello All

Today I drove the route from this thread.
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4959.msg40844#msg40844

Navigation with voice instructions and display on/off works great.
1. But after around 2/3 of the tour, the route to follow changed color from normally red to very transparent and I can hardly see the small black arrows to find my way.
Explanation:
I setup my navigation route to be red with 50% transparency. Normally the route changes to a higher transparency (100%?) behind your current position on the route (Not in simulation mode with deactivate GPS, right? => Bug, on other tracks it does, see thread 3 below).
I my case suddenly the route in front of me changed to high transperency and cannot be seen anymore.
Maybe it results from the fact, that parts of my route are overlapping and driven twice?

Does anybody know this issue?

EDIT: Possible explanation. The route is merged from two routes after each other. Between the end of the first one and the beginning of the second part there was a gap ("gaps allowed" during merging). In simulation the route is highly transparent after this gap. Even after filling the gap the problem still persists.

EDIT2: See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEcTati-0EU
There is also something strange in simulation. See the red color above the cursor. The color of the track changes parallel to the movement of the cursor. And after reaching the gap it goes on from the gap (end of video below the direction arrow).

2. At the end of the tour (3h) my smartphone responds very laggy in Locus on all inputs. It seems that something accumulates during the tour and slows down Locus. Maybe the recording of the tour.

Does anybody know this issue?

edit3 (January 30, 2016, 21:53:47)
3. And the height diagram in the dashboard is not working properly. At the beginning of the tour and also at the beginning of a navigation simulation no black dot is appearing. After a few km it does appear, but than it has an offset to the real position on the profile...

edit4 (January 31, 2016, 08:33:49)
Problem 1 and 3 seams to be a problem of the route file.
I have another track here where the height profile is working from the beginning and the color "behind" the current position is also changing in simulation mode and there is no track color anomaly at all. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoEfFeETx4k

edit5 (Feb 4, 2016, 17:58:40)
I reimported the TCX file (buttged.tcx) and all problems are gone.
Height profile works from beginning, track color changes behind current position and whole track in front is coloured correct.
Seems to be a bug in native track/route data of Locus.
#2
Hello Forum

My goal is to create Mountainbike Tours with navigation instructions generated from real map data.
In principle Locus with MapQuest do a good job. You have everything you need. Great Maps (Openandromaps with MTB theme, Mapquest route service), so lets start.
You follow some paths in the forrest by adding point after point. Between the points MapQuest is routing according the paths and creates instructions on the crossings.
Problem 1: The map data is not perfect, so you do not get an instruction whereever you need it.
Problem 2: On each point you set, Locus places a "Zwischenziel"/"in between/going over point" and/or a "you have arrived at your destination" point.
So after routing your tour you have to rework it.
Problem 1 is solved with the opportunity in Locus to add navigational point manually, perfect.
For problem 2 looks like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4eczvsbedE
You have to delete the not needed points with a lot of clicks due to missing option of a route point list, where you could delete all these points at once and you always have to leave the "edit on map"-mode to delete points and you have to go back afterwards everytime.

Therefore I started threads at the helpdesk:
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/automatic-deleting-or-avoidance-of-creating-intermediate-goalszwischenziele-during-route-plannin
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/quick-delete-navigational-point-option-in-right-arrow-menu
But nobody is interested.

How are you planning routes?
There is no online route service or program, which can do what Locus is doing (good map with hillshading and MTB rated trails, height infomation within the map and map data based instructions).
No GPSies, No ridewithgps, no outdooractive, no komoot, no basecamp, no ....... is doing that.

How do you create MTB-tours?

Thanks

#3
Hello

Over the summer I testet all the new features in creating a lot of MTB tours.
Routing with MapQuest plus adding and deleting manual navigation points is really great.
Also "strict routing" plus the ability of Locus, that tracks can overlap without confusion in navigation is great.
Together with customizable instruction definition and automatic display on/off, I think Locus reached 98% in navigation, when the track is prepared accordingly.
Thanks for all the effort to bring it up to this level and special thanks to Menion.

And Locus with Mapquest and Openandromaps is still the best routing planning tool.
But I would have some wishes to bring it also to 98% ;-).
Its all about editing navigation instructions:
1. Fast deleting of points: Right now you need 4 clicks to delete a point. I would like to see "delete point" in right arrow context menu without additional question => two clicks
2. No "intermediate goals"/Zwischenziel or "You have reached at your destination": Right now on a tour of 50km I have 20-30 intermediate goals and "You have reached..."-points. Sometimes both on one place. I have to delete them all manually.
Fast deleting (see 1) and the opportunity to delete all that points at once or to avoid the creation of them, would be nice.
3. Multi selection of navigational instructions: To delete all unnecessary instructions a checkbox (behind "delete point") in right arrow menu would be nice where you can mark all points you want to delete and if you click "delete point" at the last one, every selected point is gone. That would be nice.

Thanks

Bye
#4
Troubles & Questions / GPSies Login doesn't work
October 18, 2015, 07:58:23
Hello

My Login for GPSies doesn't work from within Locus.
CapsLock, x-times tried; I get always "ungültiger Name oder Passwort".
Login data verified on GPSies Homepage.
Any idea?

Thanks

#5
Hello Menion

The problem is not solved yet, like expected  ;)
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4533.msg36620#msg36620

You wrote here
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4601.msg37145#msg37145
that "it worked" for you.
What is working for you?
What do you think causes the trouble?

The problem was, that MapQuest created an instruction on one way and I add an instruction manually on the way back on the "same" position. Afterwards, during navigation, Locus notifies the wrong instruction at the wrong time (way there, way back mixed up). "Same" position means that Mapquest added the instruction at point number 53 and I jumped with the arrows (edit on map) to point 24 and convert this to a navigation waypoint, Point 53 and 24 are at the same place (sample file find attached, newly created with current version)

Thanks

Bye


#6
Hello

As Locus is developing to a really good route planning software including the best maps for mountainbiking (openandromaps), I would like to use it under Windows for planning routes with my laptop.
Right now we have to use Bluestacks or something similar to run Locus under windows.
But there is ARC to run android apps in Chrome.
https://developer.chrome.com/apps/getstarted_arc

I tested it with Locus Free APK 2.17.0 because I found this APK on the web very fast.
It seems to work.

It's easier to handle than Bluestacks, its faster with no lags.

Is it possible to test the newest APK?

Thanks


#7
Hallo All

I know that there are several threads about this or similar topics. Here are some of them.
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3372.msg33547#msg33547
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3915.msg29285#msg29285
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4362.msg34093#msg34093
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4079.msg33367#msg33367

I want to give a short summary of the functionalities of Locus and ask some questions.

Scope:
I want to use Locus for navigation on small ways and paths through forests and mountains for mountain-biking. Therefor I want to have turn instructions on crossings combined with voice instructions.

Locus currently gives us four different methods to achieve this goal:
1. So called "Guiding" (Deutsch: Routenführung) based on a GPX file or similar data.
2. So called "Navigation"  (DE: Navigieren) based on a GPX file or similar data.
3. So called  "Navigation" (DE: Navigieren) based on a created route within Locus using feature "Add new route & measure" (deutsch: Route hinzufügen & messen)
4. So called "Navigation" (DE: Navigieren) based on a TCX file, created with GPSIES or RideWithGPS or from elsewhere.

to 1:
Requirements:
Any GPX or similar file imported in Locus
Settings:
Settings-> Guiding-> "Next point" notification On (DE: "Nächster Punkt" Benachrichtigung) -> Text to speech
Activation:
Click on GPX file on the map -> arrow -> Guide On (DE: Routenführung Ein)
Pros:
- You just need the right settings and a GPX or similar file
Cons:
- This functions "just" interprets the change of angle on the track and generates voice output
- Serpentines leads to right-left-right-left all the time
- If the path/way changes direction you get a command to go right or left
- No turn instructions with arrows on the display
- Locus just follows the GPX file independent from the path/way information from the map data
Questions/opinion:
Useless for mountain-biking because you get a lot of unnecessary turn instructions and when you really have to change the way from one to another, and it is not a real crossing with a certain angle, you get no turn instruction.

to 2:
Requirements:
Any GPX or similar file imported in Locus.
Settings:
Nothing special.
Activation:
Click on GPX file on the map -> arrow -> Navigate (DE: Navigieren)
Pros:
- A more "intelligent" algorithm than in point 1 creates turn instructions along the GPX file
- You just need a GPX or similar file.
- You can choose the number of orders (Low, Medium, High)
- You get turn instructions on the screen
Cons:
- This functions "just" interprets the change of angle on the path and generates voice output
- Serpentines leads to right-left-right-left all the time (but less than 1, depending on number of orders setting)
- If the path changes direction you get a command to go right or left (depending on number of orders setting)
- Locus just follows the GPX file independent from the path/way information from the map data
Questions/opinion:
Useless for mountain-biking because you get a lot of unnecessary turn instructions and when you really have to change the way from one to another and it is not a real crossing with a certain angle you get no turn instruction (depending on number of orders setting, in one case to much, in the other to less).

to 3:
Requirements:
Any GPX or similar file imported in Locus to create a route along the GPX file manually.
Load the GPX to the map. Start  main menu -> more -> "Add new route & measure".
If you activate the turn symbol at the bottom (Compute route), the planned route will follow the exact ways and paths according to the map data. In the "settings" under "navigation" you can choose the "Compute source". You can choose between MapQuest, Yours, OSRM, Brouter (additional setup needed), GraphHopper (Plugin needed). This are all routing services, which uses the real map data to plot the route. Brouter and Graphhopper can be used offline (without Internet connection), the others need internet access.
With this routing services you can now reroute your GPX file and create a real "route" with "real" turn instructions.
Settings:
Nothing special.
Activation:
After creating and saving the route, click on the route -> arrow -> Navigate (DE: Navigieren)
Pros:
- Route is calculated following the map data.
- You get turn instructions on the screen
- No Serpentines right-left-right-left all the time.
Cons:
- You have to reroute the whole GPX file.
- Sometimes you will also have useless turn instructions or missing ones because the map data is also not perfect, especially with the small paths you will ride with the mounting-bike.
Questions/opinion:
Best for mountain-biking is MapQuest right now.
You can delete useless turn instructions but you cannot add some missing ones. So better than 1 and 2 but not perfect.

to 4:
Requirements:
TCX file with turn instructions imported to Locus.
There are several online planning tools which can create TCX route files with turn instructions.
I tried GPSIES and RideWithGPS.
GPSIES creates turn instructions similar to 1 and 2. Senseless, but you get turn instructions on the screen and you can deleted and add your own instructions. Problem with GPSIES: The manually created turn instructions can be seen on the route after import to Locus but they will not be used be Locus somehow.
RideWithGPS creates turn instructions with GraphHopper (with real map information) like 3 but you can delete and add turn instructions manually. The added ones are integrated in the Cuesheet of the TCX file and were used correctly by Locus.
Settings:
Nothing special.
Activation:
After importing the TCX file click on the route -> arrow -> Navigate (DE: Navigieren)
Pros:
- Route is calculated following the map data.
- You get turn instructions on the screen
- No Serpentines right-left-right-left all the time.
- You can delete and add instructions manually, needed because GraphHopper and the map data are not perfect.
- Route planning on the big screen of your PC.
Cons:
- You have to reroute your route. I do not know how to underlay a GPX file in GPSIES or RWGPS right now.
- The maps you can use in the online tools are not perfect compared to the openandromap with MTB theme in Locus.
Questions/opinion:
Best for mountain-biking right now. It uses the real map data (RWGPS), you can delete useless turn instructions and you can add some missings ones.

Over all questions:
- Which other programs can create TCX Files? BaseCamp?
- Which routing program can use the openandromaps with mtb theme?
- When will Locus be able to add turn instructions manually?
- Its 2015! What is the problem about creating a route with turn instructions based on map data based on a GPX file automatically?  What are all the software developers doing all the day ;-)?
- Who made the same experience with TCX from GPSIES and manually added instructions? Why aren't they used by Locus?
- Why isn't it possible, that we can get slight right/left from TCX files? Is it a limitation of Garmin, TCX file or Locus?
- I do not get a voice instruction right before the turn. The last one is several meters (50-70) before. Can I change this somehow?

Please help me and write your experiences here. If I make a mistake, please inform me.
Also for other ideas and additional information.

Thanks

#8
Hello

Is it normal behavior (current beta) that I cannot start navigation during an active recording?
If the navigation is started first, I can start recording afterwards.
Is it because the UI cannot show "track options" and "recording options" at the same time?

Can it be changed?

Thanks