New Locus Map (4) version
Important links
- list of news (https://help.locusmap.eu/announcement/locus-map-version-4-4-23-9-2021) of public versions
- Blog post (in preparation...)
- Public versions (http://bit.ly/lmVersions)
- Beta versions (http://bit.ly/lmVersionsTest)
Versions
23. 9. 2021 - Locus 4.4.0
28. 9. 2021 - Locus 4.4.1
hello menion
if all templates are deleted and also the leading blank space
the description is displayed, which does not disappear when the templates are set again.
After reopening this window, the problem is solved.
- after entering {t} manually yesterday and being astonished to not able to select predefined values, also Michael told about it,I recognised today that there's an Add-Button. A bit off-positioned for my taste, but maybe I'm not aligned :D
- I once created some profiles for certain activities. Any chance to set or change the activity without creating a new profile? keep in mind: I tend to overlook buttons ;D
@Žajdlík - I was unable to reply to your last post from 4.3 topic. I agree your "{t} <from> <to>" looks fine, but I just feel a more generic {t} as a default setting is more universal. I have 2 friends I've recently introduced to Locus, and even though pretty tech savvy, they still find LM4 a little overwhelming to get started, and find hidden features I am using. I don't see any easy way around this except for some very advanced AI that can make expert recommendations - maybe LM7 in 10 years time?
I would suggest a new name template {T} = YYYYMMDD-HHMM. This would mean multiple recorded tracks on same day have a unique name, and can be properly sorted alphanumerically - {t} = YYYYMMDD.
@menion - recording profile > track name format: {t} is described, but how does any user discover the other pre-defined tags? Maybe a (?) button at right side of "pre-fill format" textbox brings up list of tags?
Andrew, my reaction was on long record names. I just wanted to show it's not so bad. The "Add" button was added in the last version. See SCR. Entering is easier.
Hello
Is there anyone else who would like a search button in the planner?
Maybe with the results sorted by geographic proximity to the center of the screen / cursor
I just tried out the new "naming preset" for recordings. The preview obviously uses my current location, which renders to "Zurich (Zürich)". As I'm not going somewhere else in the next few days: What is in the parentheses? If it's the (Swiss) canton/state/subdivision: Please remove that, there's rarely a need and it makes the name very long. If it's English + Local language: Either decide on one or offer additional variants. I don't think it's needed in more than a few cases where both differ very much.
In LM4 Free the cursor is on 75% of the display height and not on 50%. Why?!?
@menion: thanx for the distance markers. 8)
Hi,
thank you for the new features. The sensor manager is something new, but now my cadence sensor Cycplus C2 7648 is not working any more. How should I adjust this in the sensor manager? It works with BT.
Axel
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I like the new diatance markers, but when I tried them I got a markers at roughly double the diatance of the previous marker. I'm using imperial units, if I switch to metric units it works as expected. See attached metric vs imperial distance markers.
Ps: would be good to have imperial markers every mile rather than conversions of 1 km to miles...
@balloni55
thanks. I see the problem in the editing of the track names on my own device as well. Consider as fixed ...
@T-mo
option to define the type of activity for already created recording profiles is not possible. You have to create a new recording profile. Some really old profiles (maybe 5+ years) do not have set an activity. Maybe because of this, some of you did not get proper value in the track name. You are using Locus Map just too long :)
@lor74cas
Search system needs a big update > big plan on the Q1/Q2 of 2022. And in the route planner? You may partially use search over menu > Add point, or the long click on the "+" button.
@slarti76
I also get "Prague (Praha)" for my location. I'll look at it.
@Christian
75% of height? There should be a reason for this. This should happen if you use screen rotation & navigation. When rotation is disabled, it should be at 50% as expected.
@ADiet
What exactly means "is not working..."? It does not work over ANT+, but works over BT4?
@karlchick
ah, this is definitely a bug, thanks. I'll look at it.
Quote from: Menion on September 26, 2021, 13:49:13
@Christian
75% of height? There should be a reason for this. This should happen if you use screen rotation & navigation. When rotation is disabled, it should be at 50% as expected.
To avoid misunterstanding: 75% of height means 25% below the top of the display. There was no rotation nor navigation active.
We will try to repeat the mystic behaviour the next time in the field.
Quote from: Menion on September 26, 2021, 13:49:13
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@lor74cas
Search system needs a big update > big plan on the Q1/Q2 of 2022. And in the route planner? You may partially use search over menu > Add point, or the long click on the "+" button.
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Thank you for the tip, it's what I need, I did not remember the second function of + button, I think that a different icon is needed to remember this
@Christian
Kann es sein, dass du diese Einstellung gewählt hast? Kartenmitte verschieben.
Is it possible, you've choosen this config? move map-center
LG, Joska
Today with the new version 4.4.1 the Bluetooth connection with the cadence sensor is now working. Yesterday with the version 4.4. it couldn't be connected.
The ANT+ connection is not possible at my smartphone. I don't know why. I have installed the apps of ANT+.
Sorry. Perhaps I have done a wrong setting.
Axel
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Quote from: Joska on September 28, 2021, 16:23:42
@Christian
Kann es sein, dass du diese Einstellung gewählt hast? Kartenmitte verschieben.
Is it possible, you've choosen this config? move map-center
LG, Joska
No, its a LM 4 Free Version. In Free version there is no config like 'move map center'.
Thank you for mitdenking. ;D
A remark on the distance markers: can't you prevent the "+" markers to be part of the point simplification? They are already simple and it would be better for track oberview, if they don't mix up with simplified waypoints.
@ADiet
ANT+ does not work, hmm. Did you tried ANT+ tester app from Google Play to verify ANT+ functionality?
@tapio
good point, thanks. I'll look at it.
Menion, why don't you feel the itch to put some analysis functions into Locus? The stuff which is in good old gpstrackanalyse.net? Like: Find and mark (on tracks) vmax, hmax, hmin, pause>n minutes... I mean you could sell a plugin and get rich instantly 😁
Or an algorithmic thing like "align track to paths/roads".
Or minimize # of trackpoints...
This kind of stuff. Because on Android, Locus is the best solution to edit/manage other peoples tracks.
As for Pause (no movement) detection. I know algorithmic it is not as simple as it seems, but Locus must already have it coded because it is able to stop adding trackpoints while not moving.
So I guess an option to add Waypoints like "Pause @ {t}: mm:ss" shouldn't be too far away.
Quote from: tapio on September 30, 2021, 09:43:03Or minimize # of trackpoints...
Secretly hoping for that for ages... ;)
Distance markers are improved now, thanks, best Locus we've ever had.
Maybe the Distance Markers are a bit conservative at times. A bit. In my screenshot I use no magnification. Locus could display the uneven markers, the 9km marker here.
Quote from: tapio on September 30, 2021, 09:43:03
As for Pause (no movement) detection.
@tapio I'm hoping internal accelerometer will be used some time in the future for "no movement detection". Far more reliable than current GPS location method. Plenty of apps already use this for an "alarm". As far as I can tell, some Garmin GPS have used this method for a long time. Fellow riders with Garmin GPS beep nearly instantly they stop, whereas the Locus track can show constantly moving position +/-7m.
Quote from: tapio on September 30, 2021, 09:43:03
So I guess an option to add Waypoints like "Pause @ {t}: mm:ss" shouldn't be too far away.
+1 nice idea - add a Help suggestion for voting?
Quote from: Andrew Heard on October 01, 2021, 01:05:39
Quote from: tapio on September 30, 2021, 09:43:03
As for Pause (no movement) detection.
@tapio I'm hoping internal accelerometer will be used some time in the future for "no movement detection". Far more reliable than current GPS location method. Plenty of apps already use this for an "alarm". As far as I can tell, some Garmin GPS have used this method for a long time. Fellow riders with Garmin GPS beep nearly instantly they stop, whereas the Locus track can show constantly moving position +/-7m.
Yes, current "pause detection" is very unreliable depending on GPS quality and settings. Accelerometer would save us from a lot of "track wildly jumping around the same position" when making a pause...
QuoteQuote from: tapio on September 30, 2021, 09:43:03
So I guess an option to add Waypoints like "Pause @ {t}: mm:ss" shouldn't be too far away.
+1 nice idea - add a Help suggestion for voting?
+1
I'm fully aware of the difficulties regarding GPS and non-movement detection. I still have that itch to code it in Tasker (which then can pass over WPs to Locus). Here's a good algorithm discussion: https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2020/01/stop-and-go-detection-in-gps-position-data.pdf
What I already have is detecting pauses by using the shake sensors. It's nightmare tasks... Works pretty reliable in hiking though. Obviously wouldn't work well on bike or in car. The only problem is, a pause is detected after it happened, so WPs are a bit off. With the intent it is not possible to add a WP to a user def. position in Locus.
Hmmm, Accelerometer, this is what I use in Tasker. It IMO only helps in use cases where the device is "shaken". Not if it is evenly moving on, e. g. when lying on a car seat.
Sounds to me like Tasker would be consuming quite a lot of battery to process these simple situations of moving/ stopped.
shake sensor = Accelerometer = compass - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerometer
Quote from: tapio on October 01, 2021, 08:21:18
Obviously wouldn't work well on bike or in car
@tapio - no reason why not if properly coded
Quote from: Andrew Heard on October 01, 2021, 09:54:48
Sounds to me like Tasker would be consuming quite a lot of battery to process these simple situations of moving/ stopped.
Were my thoughts as well. But: No, negligible. The trigger (here: Event - Shake - Left/Right) doesn't consume much, the triggered code is lightweight. My device consumes 40-50% Battery on my 5-6h hiking trips and that didn't noticably change.
You just made me look at Tasker again. There's not just the shake sensor (which only detects shakes, ie left/right, up/down etc.) but "Any sensor", which allows proper accelerator access. Looks like I'll rework it again...
@tapio
hehe, I'm wanting basic analytics features for ages, at least some core stats "activity from date - to date" etc. Well, time is not my friend last year :'(
What is the zoom level of the currently visible map in your #20? It looks to me like some 15/200%. For zoom 15, the interval is 2km, for 16+ it is 1km.
@Andrew Heard
internal accelerometer (better "Google Activity recognition) or connected speed sensor. I already have this partially coded, just need some fine-tunning.
It was 14. 2km happens until ZL14 and 113% pinched zoom. Imo it could already use 1km at ZL14/80% but that's probably debatable.
Tasker and the sensors:
https://youtu.be/766S-KRnaiE
A lot that users can use here. It's all about processing and reasonable evaluation of the numerous numbers which are spit out by the sensors.
I had tested the ANT+ with the installed tester, but in Locus appears a message, that it is not working in my smartphone.
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@ADiet
and in tester sensor works correctly? If so, what exactly message look like? Maybe a screenshot should help, thanks.
Quote from: tapio on October 01, 2021, 10:35:58
My device consumes 40-50% Battery on my 5-6h hiking trips and that didn't noticably change.
@tapio - interesting, thanks. I'm using ~2.5%/h (= 15%/6h) with 3000mAh (3Ah) battery (all other apps off, no mobile, only track recording, no navigation), and certainly wouldn't want much increase for constant sensor processing code. For simple movement detection, a check every 1 or 2s would be more than adequate resolution.
Hello Menione, for point position sharing missing option: Send screenshot. This can only be sent via the Share function. See SCR. It's a shame when you need to send a map using MMS.
Menion, it has been mentioned before, there is inconsistencies in tap zones when it comes to points.
In screenshot, when I tap zone 1), it continues with point detail screen. It should do that only on 2) imo.
Everywhere else in the app, on tapping 1), it instantly displays (tracks) on map AND goes there. Which it should do here as well.
Btw., reasonable performance on big offline Geonames file: http://download.geonames.org/export/dump/allCountries.zip
Unpacked 1.4 GB, I was expecting Locus to crash, but I get results after 18 seconds, so it is usable.
I have a suggestion for offline Geonames. The window should pre-select the country file depending on map center, if it exists.
Hi Menion,
I tried to get a screenshot of the ANT+ message, but it disappears so fast, that you can't get a screenshot.
But it means, that there is no ANT+ on my device. Although I had tested it with the ANT+ tester. But now with the latest version of Locus I changed my sensor and used BT, so I don't need the ANT+ connection. Perhaps it is not possible on my XZ2 compact.
Axel
@Žajdlík Josef
hmm, but you can simply solve this by a quick "Share" button on the main screen. I'm not sure if this is really a problem. Sharing the screenshot of a single point seems a little weird to me. Isn't it a lot easier to use for example sharing over Google Maps URL or a new URL to our web portal (first option)?
@tapio
there will be a big re-work of the whole search system in next year, really. I believe the whole UI will be redesigned and simplified ... thanks for understanding.
@ADiet
ah, ok.
This is not necessary to sharing the screen, but why don't you add it when Locus can do it? Control would be united.
New Beta 4.4.3.2 version is finally out.
Mostly minor bug-fixing and a few interesting stuff in better support for URL links generated to our web portal.
Have a nice weekend!
@Žajdlík Josef
understand but do not agree. A list of options is created based on "point" or generic "share", so this option is not the only difference.
Hi Menion,
I was finally able to test with the SRAM/Quarq powermeter of a colleague. BTLE connection was established, but I also could not get any data. Tried several times with pedaling etc.
Any news from your powermeter? I hope you get it soon ;)
Nice one about the splitting of centering/rotation button. Easier to understand for newbies. I'd make it the default. Also, with GPS off and in dual button mode, there is no simple way to have the map rotate.
Lovely transition from the rotate/north mode.
I like to have the rotation button, but I do not like it to be permanently on top of the centering button. Can you maybe give it an own auto hide setting?
Ah longtap starts compass - nice
I think the solution with the turn button is great. The operation is much more logical. Since I almost always turn it on anyway, I don't mind if it is visible when it is switched off.
Of course, it is now not easy to see whether it is activated or whether the position happens to be north. Tip: if pointing north, a red line through the compass needle.
Fading out completely may be good for people who only use one setting. However, this function is of no use to most. The free positioning of buttons (menu, compass needle, centering, map content panel) would be a great thing. Is that very difficult to do? I had already written the suggestion when I was developing LM4.
Is it possible to reduce this field? In version 3, it is narrower
V4.4.3.2
LM4 sometimes FC direct after start, or after click on sidepanel e.g. Prest button.
since no one else is reporting this problem, for info i have LM4 on
android/data/menion..../
installed
Edit:
one hour later:
after many crashes of locus i can't start LM4 even after restarting the device.
Locus boots until the map is visible and then closes.
Also experienced a crash, on apply of a preset.
The problem with the full screen and empty fields (map content panel, recording, menu) has disappeared. With the new beta, everything is ok with the old Samsung S8.
@schugur
Still not working ... really weird. My sensor is already in order and hopefully, next week will be delivered. I'm just worried it will work without any serious problem because I have already reported positive results from many sensors.
If it is an easy task for you, you may give a try to latest Beta and create a log by the app for me. There were a lot of changes since the last third log you made. Or just wait till my sensor will be finally tested and I'll let you know. Thanks for the patience.
@tapio
separate control of visibility for the rotation button > too early for this request. Firstly, I need to validate that this option makes sense :). Anyway even after it prove useful, I do not think that it is necessary.
@freischneider
I'll think about separate icons to distinquish three possible states > disabled, manual rotation, automatic rotation. Thanks
Free positioning of buttons ... heh, funny :)
@starka
no, it is not possible.
@balloni55, @tapio
crash at the start ... hmm, thanks to automatic logs it looks like a problem in incorrectly wrote animated rotation system. I tried to fix it in new generated 4.4.3.3 version so give it a try, thanks.
@freischneider
There was still a problem? Hmm, I was trying to solve some weird issues with not hiding the bottom navigation panel on some devices. But my attempt was not a success and I just changed the order of few system methods used in the full-screen system. Interesting it helped you ... this full-screen system is really weird now :-\. Anyway thanks for the info.
The new separated center button is great, and so is the smooth animation! :)
Quote from: luce on October 10, 2021, 11:20:09
The new separated center button is great, and so is the smooth animation! :)
Agreed, but: Do you like its position? I'm kind of uncomfortable with it, because it reaches into the top part. I'd prefer the compass button to be top left... maybe.
Quote from: tapio on October 10, 2021, 16:56:08
Quote from: luce on October 10, 2021, 11:20:09
The new separated center button is great, and so is the smooth animation! :)
Agreed, but: Do you like its position? I'm kind of uncomfortable with it, because it reaches into the top part. I'd prefer the compass button to be top left... maybe.
The top right is too far away. Those who switch on and off more often should have it downstairs. That only makes sense if you don't change anything. But it could be to the right of the center button. I think it's pretty good downstairs. Although that's probably just a matter of habit.
There we are again at the free place. So everyone can push it where they want it.
@ Menion: map the 3 states of rotation.
automatic rotation: like now.
Oriented to the north with a red crossbar
manual turning: red circle.
Quote from: freischneider on October 10, 2021, 21:57:35
Quote from: tapio on October 10, 2021, 16:56:08
Quote from: luce on October 10, 2021, 11:20:09
The new separated center button is great, and so is the smooth animation! :)
Agreed, but: Do you like its position? I'm kind of uncomfortable with it, because it reaches into the top part. I'd prefer the compass button to be top left... maybe.
The top right is too far away. Those who switch on and off more often should have it downstairs. That only makes sense if you don't change anything. But it could be to the right of the center button. I think it's pretty good downstairs. Although that's probably just a matter of habit.
There we are again at the free place. So everyone can push it where they want it.
+1 down
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I'm okay with the actual position of the compass button. For me, it is actually a button, not only a display of the orientation, that's why a position at the bottom of the map screen definitely makes sense.
But, another issue, i noticed a strange behaviour of the map orientation when tapping the compass button while moving, e.g. in a train...
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AredTfs4J1f5o24CtkknPukT2y0i
And sorry if I warm up another old topic: The bottom and side bars are quite big using unnecessarily much map space while the zoom buttons that are used much more often are so small it happens repeatedly that I accidentally tap beside them.
I perfectly understand that bigger zoom buttons wouldn't look good, but is it maybe possible to make the surrounding transparent area touchable – to make the buttons in fact bigger without changing the look?
I'm just trying to solve few remaining issues with the sensors so on Google Drive is a new Beta version.
It also contains preparation for the icon badge for the rotation button. Currently, it is only a colored dot (grey - disabled, red - automatic, green - manual). Final icons are in preparation.
I Hope, this version also fixes the issue with rotation reported by @luce. Btw. there already is a transparent area around the zoom buttons that should prevent accidental taps on the map below. Seems you need an even bigger area :).
Quote from: luce on October 12, 2021, 10:45:09
And sorry if I warm up another old topic: The bottom and side bars are quite big ...
It would also be possible to adjust the side buttons to be narrower and the transparent space expanding space? There are really enough space on small screens.
Bug? I add an embedded waypoint to an existing track - the waypoints icon is not shown.
Beta from yesterday.
https://youtu.be/XNJNB1bj3qQ
EDIT: Ah, I remember, it is an old refresh issue, so not a big thing... I reported some time ago. After restart Locus or maybe only hide/show of track the icon is shown.
With "Dual centering button" on, it still shows both buttons when rotation is on, is that intended? You could turn the compass needle off, but rotate that small new icon around the big button.
Also, that extra marker on the compass button, is it useful there? 3 buttons/markers seem overload for me.
Suggestion: point away. the compass needle red, green, gray.
I would prefer the compass needle in the centering button. But where to turn it on and off?
@Menion – what I meant was not to make the transparent area around the zoom buttons bigger, but make it functional, so that if you tap a little bit besides the + or the – button, the app still "understands" this as a tap on the + or – button.
V 4.4.3.5
when i turn off the rotation button a grey dot is normally displayed, but when the device is pointing north at that moment the red dot is further displayed
The rotary knob was much better in the beta of 10/9/2021.
Rotary knob always displayed. Normally I don't want to fade in so much. But the operation is much more logical.
Click on the button: turn off
Click on the button: turn it on
Click on the button: turn off ... etc.
Now you have to press the centering button again to switch on turning. But it also happens that centering is switched off or switched on.
Quote from: freischneider on October 12, 2021, 20:29:11Rotary knob always displayed.
You maybe just want to turn off "Dual centering button" option again to achieve this.
Quote from: freischneider on October 12, 2021, 14:52:15
Suggestion: point away. the compass needle red, green, gray.
I would prefer the compass needle in the centering button. But where to turn it on and off?
Or maybe not red/green/gray for the north part of the needle, because a red compass arrow is always associated with "north". Maybe instead change the colour of the south part of the needle. The three different colours don't have to be so strong that they leap to the eye – it could also be white, light grey and maybe a greenish gray, or something like that.
I also think markers are something that draw attention to something that happens less frequent like e.g. a map update – the information about the current compass mode should be more unobtrusive.
... I ask myself – is it really necessary to indicate the compass mode with different colours?
– When the map is turning, auto rotation is obviously turned on.
– When the map is not turning, a glance at the compass needle reveals the actual orientation. (If north is not up, I just tap the rotation button once to reset orientation.)
So for me, no additional indication needed.
Hi Menion, I don't want to talk to unfinished graphics, but the difference in the symbol location doesn't look very well. See SCR. Couldn't you use a color circle around the button instead of the dots? See CIRCLE1-2.
Quote from: luce on October 13, 2021, 08:29:48.. I ask myself – is it really necessary
I was wondering 100% the same. And until I don't know any good reason my answer was No. 😛
My idea is:
a) No indicator if auto rotate is on or off is needed. It feels as useful as displaying "the screen is on".
b1) If dual button is OFF: show the compass needle button all the time. Make it default, it's good for newbies.
b2) If dual button is ON: On auto rotate state, do not show an extra button, but let a direction arrow float around the big button. Or put a needle inside the button and have it rotate. As Freischneider suggested.
Let's see it as a "pro mode". And the pros should know "top is north", so no need for a north marker if not auto rotating.
So many ideas because of three tiny colored dots :)
@tapio
the issue with a refresh of the track: thanks TODO
With a dual centering button, rotate icon should really be visible, it is intent. With this solution, you may simply disable rotation without affecting centration.
If "dual-mode" needs an extra rotation button was discussed a half year ago a lot and yes, it needs :).
Good sample: center, start rotating, move with the map - now disable rotation in case you do not have this "rotate" button.
@balloni55
ah, dot attached to centering button in case, rotation is disabled and dual-centering button is enabled, is a bug, thanks
@luce
ah, the clickable area behind ... not so simple task => is this really needed? I'm more thinking about and option to put these buttons into function panels - but this also is not so simple task :-\
Rotation mode
I also think that icons should not be so obtrusive. Some small "A", "M", symbols should be enough. I'm waiting on our graphic.
But, the indicator is needed from my point of view. If the map rotates by the GPS, it may not be clear that rotation is enabled. Also if you start rotation of the map manually, it may not be clear that the map won't rotate by sensor anymore.
@Žajdlík Josef
thanks, as I wrote to @balloni55, the dot attached directly to the big centering button is a bug, thanks!
Thx, still not sure about the indicator.
One or two betas ago, with auto rotation on: after dragging map, it also did rotate off-center positions, now it does not - intended?
Quote from: tapio on October 13, 2021, 07:15:14
Quote from: freischneider on October 12, 2021, 20:29:11Rotary knob always displayed.
You maybe just want to turn off "Dual centering button" option again to achieve this.
Thank you, I didn't know this setting
4.4.3.7_1044_beta
I like the new button/rotation setup :D. I understood that the right graphics are in creation, the current dots are only temporary..surely, dots wouldn't be useful at all.
Using RouePlanner and showing itinerary I am not always able to swipe the list away downside and thought better not use the top-left exit-arrow, as it would possibly END Route planner. Yes, it does not and behaves like swiping down and brought me back, hides the itinerary.
Is this also irritating to others?
Honestly I rarely use rotation..not sure though if with moved map rotation-button switchs itself off after 1x press to align north..I suppose most use-cases would be to check region ahead, view-direction, a bit left and right, maybe temporary change orientation to north,then back..so still on but view orientation changes
Quote from: Menion on October 13, 2021, 11:06:01
I'm more thinking about and option to put these buttons into function panels - but this also is not so simple task :-\
yes please - vote for https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/25808-add-zoom-buttons-to-list-of-function-panel-buttons
Quote from: T-mo on October 13, 2021, 21:01:30
Using RouePlanner and showing itinerary I am not always able to swipe the list away downside and thought better not use the top-left exit-arrow, as it would possibly END Route planner. Yes, it does not and behaves like swiping down and brought me back, hides the itinerary.
Is this also irritating to others?
@T-mo - sorry, but can you explain further, or annotate a screen cap?
Quote from: Andrew Heard on October 13, 2021, 22:57:12
Quote from: Menion on October 13, 2021, 11:06:01
I'm more thinking about and option to put these buttons into function panels - but this also is not so simple task :-\
yes please - vote for https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/25808-add-zoom-buttons-to-list-of-function-panel-buttons
If they could also stay on map... I prefer the way it is now. Because outdoors, I permanently show the bottom toolbar - which has important other elements. But hey. I should get used to that doubletap-drag zooming.
Quote from: Andrew Heard on October 13, 2021, 23:00:23
@T-mo - sorry, but can you explain further, or annotate a screen cap?
sure,see pics
in case of itinerary, I asked myself how to get back..and was afraid 'top left arrow' exits Route Planner as it mostly does..swiping down isn't always possible, I tried though
In the route details. Can I move the "hide" button to the bottom bar?
Quote from: WujTom on October 16, 2021, 10:24:53
In the route details. Can I move the "hide" button to the bottom bar?
Haha... For me, "Hide" is maybe the most used command and "Share" amongst the least.
I have the same, that's why I'm asking.
Quote from: WujTom on October 16, 2021, 10:24:53
In the route details. Can I move the "hide" button to the bottom bar?
+1
When using external gps, the total number of satellites and the number of fixed satellites are not displayed
please check
@T-mo
why you wrote "I am not always able to swipe the list away downside"? It is the most intuitive method how to dismiss bottom panel(s).
@WujTom
there are currently no methods to modify the track screen.
@baegas
ah, you are correct, thanks!
Quote from: Menion on October 18, 2021, 12:43:15
@WujTom
there are currently no methods to modify the track screen.
So maybe consider it in the future?
I agree in tapio that I share use occasionally and hide even twice a day;)
Quote from: Menion on October 18, 2021, 12:43:15
@T-mo
why you wrote "I am not always able to swipe the list away downside"? It is the most intuitive method how to dismiss bottom panel(s).
sure
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HoHPslMerVp2sWWKGPeNyCRmRnGFNAjz/view?usp=drivesdk (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HoHPslMerVp2sWWKGPeNyCRmRnGFNAjz/view?usp=drivesdk)
Hello, maybe a bug:
The position of the red cross changes from the center of the screen to the upper part of the screen when a route gets re-edited (by tapping a saved route > three point menu > route planner).
Best, Lucas
I have this issue, too, since months, but without precondition. Missed to report it, though ...
Version from yesterday not usable. Showing the map takes like a minute per screen. Tested with OAM Germany map and Lomaps Germany north after Android restart. Oh fortunately I am not out this weekend...
Unfortunately cannot downgrade without uninstall. Also, older beta not on Gdrive....
EDIT. Quick test, copied map to internal SD /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/menion.android.locus/files/Locus/mapsVector/
and used that. Same slowness!
https://youtu.be/pPq9e_egNf0
Ah and on first start it reported that scary file system change. idk why. I was using internal memory already. MapsVector is on external sd.
QuoteVersion from yesterday not usable. Showing the map takes like a minute per screen.
confirm behavior, LM4 installed on android/data....
@WujTom
some modifications of track screen are promised from me, I just can't promise when this happens :-[
@T-mo
thanks for the video. I can hardly anything do with it, but I'll try to look at it ...
@luce
good point, thanks, I'll look at it!
@tapio, @balloni55
interesting, I did not notice anything un-usual. Anyway give please a try to just newly generated version MapGooglePlay_4.4.3.12_1044_beta. Thanks.
Problem of slowness solved.
Quote from: Menion on October 22, 2021, 23:12:08
@WujTom
some modifications of track screen are promised from me, I just can't promise when this happens :-[
ok but please remember it yourself or as you wish I can remind you every now and then ;)
Hi Menion,
I uninstalled the latest beta because it forced me to confirm the INTERNAL private /Android/data folder.
Although the external SD has 36 GB free space, while the internal SD has only 9 GB available.
The current /Locus consumes 41 GB - internal SD.
So, how would Locus act in detail in such a situation, ps?
In earlier betas it would complain about missing free space. But as I could not risk Locus beta damaging my current install, I went back to the beta before, which works fine.
Can you please advise?
TXs and cheers
Michael
PS: in particular, will Locus be able to MOVE the files from /Locus (good), or will you need to COPY them (very bad) ? Why? It doubles the space requirements and will block / disable future Locus use.
Yeah, details will be interesting. Fortunately I have already done it, I guess it was some mix of Locus doing it and me moving files with TotalCommander...
What you will have to do is put it into "private dir" on internal or secondary SD (/Android/data/..) at some point because Android 11... and you can store MapsVector and SRTM on both places.
This type of change will unfortunately eat tons of support resources... for ages I guess. Thx Google.
The About page on my phone (4.4.3) says in red, "DUPLICATE FOLDER"
Do I dare touch anything?
I haven't used any betas recently, but did get surprised one day by a question about folders. Um, I dunno, click, go away. Now this. The new file system manager says I'm using internal storage, not internal memory. (Internal vs internal?!?) EDIT: investigation tells me that both are the same folder, aliased. Is the end user expected to know about this?
But things are working (in spite of not "recommended" folder), so tell me, app, why should I change?
Unhelpful track stats - I don't have a heart rate or cadence sensor. Display N/A (Not Available) or better, don't display if N/A or even better, allow configuration.
Hmm... it doesn't show me those sensor stats (which is good).
Sorry guys. I'm late to the 4.4 party.
In 4.4.3.2 Menion added support for seperated center and rotate button.
The setting is in "expert".
But where is the this expert settings page ?
Might not be my best day today but looked through the whole settings without luck.
Anyone can give me a hint?
I found it as the second topic of the maps section in expert settings.
You can also go into settings top page and then search for "dual".
Quote from: michaelbechtold on October 26, 2021, 18:49:31
I found it as the second topic of the maps section in expert settings.
You can also go into settings top page and then search for "dual".
Is there a switch to enable "expert".
Searching "dual" in settings found nothing.
QuoteBut where is the this expert settings page ?
https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:advanced:customization:config#expert_settings
Thanks, found it.
Another interesting topic for me.
Now it's possible to create a link for routes to share with friends. Great.
But it doesn't provide the possibility to download the gpx, right?
It just shows route on map?
Did I missed this Feature?
If not. Could you add this?
(Today I need to send gpx via email which feels quite old school)
Quote from: tapio on October 26, 2021, 16:53:43
Hmm... it doesn't show me those sensor stats (which is good).
@tapio - that's weird isn't it - you seeing something different to me.
Quote from: CabrioTourer on October 26, 2021, 19:23:32
...
But it doesn't provide the possibility to download the gpx, right? It just shows route on map?
Did I missed this Feature?
...
I thing you missed it. When I select a track or any other route, the context menu offers a "share as gpx". The tools available then depend on the staging of your smartphone (apps).
Quote from: michaelbechtold on October 27, 2021, 12:39:00
Quote from: CabrioTourer on October 26, 2021, 19:23:32
...
But it doesn't provide the possibility to download the gpx, right? It just shows route on map?
Did I missed this Feature?
...
I thing you missed it. When I select a track or any other route, the context menu offers a "share as gpx". The tools available then depend on the staging of your smartphone (apps).
In the App the share gpx can download the gpx and you can send it to friends somehow
I talked about the share in the Web. This will create a url you can send to your friends. If you open that url you see the track on the map. I see no way to download a gpx. That's what I mean.
Sharing the track via URL is a nice modern way but today the possibilities with such a link is very limited. If would be nice if adding gpx download doesnt make much work.
I'm buried under work on the filesystem on A11 ... on the last possible moment. So sorry for the late answers.
@WujTom
a reminder is not necessary. I have added a task to my task list. Hmm maybe remind me a year later when this won't be done yet :).
@michaelbechtold
even a Beta forced you? I thought this is not yet public. Well, it will be in the next version for sure.
I've just modified how data are transferred and it will be moved one by one > so copy & delete every file. Previously it firstly duplicated the app directory and then deleted it. But there was a problem with huge directories and low disk space.
@Viajero Perdido
Duplicated folders are more a warning, not a real problem. The app always use previously used directory. Maybe check it with the next Beta if there still be this info and if yes, post me a screen so I may see a paths visible to you, thanks.
@Andrew Heard
you see these statistics for already saved tracks? They should be visible only a) during track recording or b) in case the track really contains these data.
@CabrioTourer
Good point with the export of shared routes. Added to the web planner to-do list with high priority.
Appreciate very much, Menion!
This will spare you tons of angry users, too :-)))
Maybe folders with many small files could be done at once? In any case, this is a one time exercise, so people should start it in the evening, not when they want to hike/bike in the morning ...
One more essential thing: READ ONLY access for additional map folders - external or internal SD regardless. You get this done?
Good luck and kind regards
Michael
To my surprise, the whole transfer is quite fast. I test it with my 30GB installation and it is done within a few minutes. I made it as a process that can't be stopped and also as a self-recovery process so when for some reason, it is interrupted, app will restore transfer immediately on next start.
Anyway access to any other directory, so for example, mapsVector in custom location is really a pain and for now, it is not doable.
Only what I was able to implement, also because I consider it as crucial, is the "backup" directory on the user-defined location.
What I also tried for some time is to allow "srtm" data on custom-defined location, but even I had partial success, I also ended on 2x worst performance. And this is a real problem for the map shading system ...
So for now, it is almost worst case with close to very small hope to be better ... sorry :'(
I am having SRTM on the external card and noticed no performance problem in shading (the normal map shading, also the slope shading) at all. Please don't remove the possibility to use userdef places, our SRTMs may be quite huge (23G here).
Shaping points are still green, but I noticed on create the icon is orange...
There is currently no slowdown because you still use the old system. But since 1. 11., I'm unable to publish the new version on Google Play with this system.
"Orange" shaping points > thanks, I've noticed this too and forgot to fix it ...
TXs for the additional details, Menion.
I think you have to take the bull by the horns head-on!
The whole scoped storage thing is for the Instagram world, only good enough for images and videos.
All other big data sets suffer by deadly performance issues.
So, to summarize your (and similar apps) scenario:
- huge data sets
- random access needed (database and alike)
- shared between different apps
Forgot something?
If I were Asamm, I would create a dummy geo app with request for MANAGE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE, with above justification. Hence no danger to Locus itself, just for the battle with Google.
Quote from : https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/10467955#zippy=%2Cexceptions
Google Play may provide a temporary exception to apps that do not qualify as permitted use designated above, when;
Use of the permission enables the app's core functionality; and
There is currently no alternative method to provide the core functionality; or
use of the privacy friendly alternatives (e.g., MediaStore API, or Storage Access Framework) has a substantially detrimental impact on the critical features of the app that are tied to the core functionality.
The impact on user privacy is mitigated by security and privacy best practices
The developer must justify in their Console declaration why the Storage Access Framework or MediaStore API is not sufficient for their app's purpose.
You can fulfil all three conditions. And if Google finally comes up with an enhanced framework that goes beyond Instagram (and alike) use cases, such exception can be ceeded. But not before!
Good luck and kind regards
Michael
New version "MapGooglePlay_4.4.3.14_1044_beta" just published under "New filesystem, A11+" sub-directory. Good luck everyone ... backup your data to be safe!!
@michaelbechtold
Based on our experience with Google, we give up the option to get full storage access. The problem here is, that Locus Map is perfectly fully working even without full access to the filesystem. Generally, there is no need for most of the cases, to access the rest of the file system directly. And this is a bullet-proof argument. Fact that advanced users suffer by this is the second side that will be perfectly ignored by Google, trust me.
If noone had ever tried the near impossible, we'd still climb on trees - without any maps :-)
And BTW: would your product FAMILY be able to use the stored maps across the board?
You have LM4, LMP, and some GIS stuff, right?
Double or triple the maps for the same area - Google must be kidding to insist on such!
And sharing between multiple apps beyond is not an advanced user thing.
I tried the beta (from the Android 11 folder) on my Android 9 phone. (That part made me nervous.)
- On startup, it said, "Working directories ... have been changed ..." (this is a SCARY message), and gave only one option: Internal storage. Only one?
Checked About. The "duplicate" message is gone, simply /sdcard/Locus.
Went to "Set working directory". Now it showed two options: Internal storage and private folder in internal memory. I double-checked the backup, crossed my fingers, and changed it to private folder, clicked Move.
After a few minutes, Locus restarted. I needed to re-select my preferred map and theme, odd, otherwise, all seems well.
In an external file manager, I see /sdcard/Locus is almost empty, except for mapsOnline containing 3 sqlitedb files for the hike-and-bike map that showed briefly after restart
NOW the About once again shows "duplicate folder", see attached.
I installed it on Android 10. Noticed no changes. It just works. LM already was in private folder on internal SD, backup, MapsVector and SRTM on external.
My experience with Google: They don't give a f***. They are intransparent, they don't care, they don't reply. You don't need to understand what they do, it is, as it is.
geocoded photos taken with a poi cannot be displayed as geocoded photos on the map, the folder Android/data.... is not selectable.
Furthermore, photos of these folder cannot be displayed by any gallery app that I know so far. ???
Until now I sync by time interval these photos to the external SD (no storage space problem) so I can display these photos as geocoded photos inside LM4 (path is selectable) as well as in my gallery app.
My idea, create an optional setting " save taken photos as duplicate on the ext SD
BTW
as a security measure, i first switched off the automatic update for LMP that is still installed directly on the SD card. ;)
Quote from: Menion on October 29, 2021, 10:14:01
you see these statistics for already saved tracks?
@Menion - sorry I don't remember whether saved or currently-recording track. I'll take more notice next time. Just confirmed - no saved tracks show these 0-value cadence & other sensor stats.
Quote from: Menion on October 29, 2021, 10:14:01
They should be visible only a) during track recording
why visible if there is no sensor and no sensor data?
Last number in APK filename is no longer being incremented? Stuck on _1044.
update to 4.4.3.12 on Android 8 appears to perform correctly
Quote from: Andrew Heard on October 30, 2021, 00:11:09
update to 4.4.3.12 on Android 8 appears to perform correctly
On lineage with Android 9 and root I had the same.
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@michaelbechtoldIn case we never communicated with Google support, these should be definitely a try. But after 10+ years ... we know.
Sharing maps/srtm data between apps ... to be true, I really think that this is a geeky feature for us, people who communicate here about advanced features. 99% of app users don't care about this.
@Viajero Perdidothanks for the test and precise report!!
- "Working directories have been changed" .. hmm, this should not happen in this case and seems based on reactions below, you are not the only one. I'll look at it.
- Reselecting of maps > hmm, absolute path to content has changed. Minor problem, but probably solvable.
- (almost) empty dir after the move ... seems some maps were still loaded during the process. Damn ...
@tapioTill Android 10 (include), all should in the end work as before. Thanks for the confirmation.
@balloni55work with attached photos has to be heavily re-implemented, I know. Fortunately, the system of attachments is so bad, that not many people use it, not many people miss full attachment sync and so I hope, it won't be a problem for now. In 2022 I'll focus on this together with improved "search" and write it better from scratch.
@Andrew HeardValues are visible during recording because I can't be 100% sure if value "0" means - "such data does not exist" or "currently value is 0".
Yes, the APK value is stuck on 1044. Why? You may easily update the version from the lower value to higher or from same to same. But! you can't downgrade from higher to lower. In this case, you have to un-install the app. So I generate a Beta version with the same ID as long as the downgrade is compatible. So in case of any problem, you may easily restore the previous Beta version.
And thanks for the update test!
@lor74casperfect, thanks!
To clarify... After moving directories, the files left behind in Locus/mapsOnline were named LoMaps_Hike&Bike.*, with sizes 443kb, 340kb, and 32kb.
I believe that was from the map that was shown by default after the move (during the move?), and the smallish file sizes would reflect a single screen of tiles. I immediately switched back to my usual vector maps and re-selected the theme.
Selecting other online maps afterward does NOT add more files to this folder.
EDIT: It also seems to have forgotten the selection for a pre-loaded global map. But I was able to re-select it manually.
Installed Android 11+ Version.
To be true I didn't followed the discussions. Maybe that was the point to find a problem.
Locus showed Directory needs to be moved screen. Then it did something for some seconds. Asked if I want to use custom or private folder. Bec I didn't follow the discussions I pressed question mark on second option.
After this I pressed question mark on first (gray out) option.
Locus stuck for longer time. App close dialog showed up and Locus restarted.
@Menion: Please have a look at the question marks.
Locus stuck happened on second try. But now I pressed first question mark directly after selection pops up.
What is weird for me is that Locus does something after pressing "change directory". And after 20(?) seconds it asked for the target to move to.
What it does before without knowing the target folder?
Not a big point. Just a bit weird from customer perspective.
Quote from: Menion on October 30, 2021, 09:56:03
Values are visible during recording because I can't be 100% sure if value "0" means - "such data does not exist" or "currently value is 0".
@Menion - it's not of real concern to me, but I would have thought there is a clear distinction between A) a sensor has
not been enabled so
no value has been read (maybe return value is NaN instead of 0.0), then no need to display it's statistic; and B) a sensor value of zero has been read.
Quote from: Menion on October 30, 2021, 09:56:03
You may easily update the version from the lower value to higher or from same to same. But! you can't downgrade from higher to lower.
nice logic - thanks for the explanation
@Viajero Perdido
thanks for the description. I'll try to simulate it and fix it.
@CabrioTourer
ah, small unfinished problem ... app may take quite a lot of time to compute currently used disk space. And this is the "stuck" you see. Just give it time and it will finish this compute :). Anyway, I've added it to to-do list and will improve it into the next version, thanks!
@Andrew Heard
Well ... this is in the app since begin and I never felt it is necessary to solve it. This page is visible only during recording when you directly display current track statistics. This is not a usual use-case because most often, you only check the side panel or use any dashboard. You are of course correct, that the current solution is not ideal ...
EDIT: will be removed in next version
Quote from: Menion on October 30, 2021, 23:06:02
Well ... this is in the app since begin and I never felt it is necessary to solve it. This page is visible only during recording when you directly display current track statistics. This is not a usual use-case because most often, you only check the side panel or use any dashboard. You are of course correct, that the current solution is not ideal ...
EDIT: will be removed in next version
please don't worry - very minor detail
@Menion Correct. Be patient works.
I'm still a bit confused about the process. In the selection directory dialog it looks like the first is a selection option bec it has a circle, too. But it's the old directory which you can't choose.
Then after I successfully moved to private dir and restarted App it asked for the directory again. Now the internal story was choosable. Even all the files were moved to private dir before the restart.
I was like a customer and selected internal (empty) folder.
Then my Map was replaced to locus hike and theme switched. I think it was the case bec old locus dir was empty.
I would suggest to redesign the dialog before the move and don't ask after restart.
Btw: Why you need to calculate free space?
Maybe it's just enough to check if internal and private dir is on same volume. If this is the case (and it will be the case in most smartphones) you need to check if there is enough space to move the largest file. Bec largest file size is unknown I guess to check for just 3-4 GB is a good value.
Hi,
With one of my smartphone (the most recent of two), I can no longer have five buttons (limit = 4) in the bottom bar. All remains OK with the older one, with five buttons present.
Any reason for that...?
(Minor:)
I like that the geocache title is protected from scrolling out of sight. But it doesn't lock to the top of the screen, as you might expect. (This is on my phone, 2280x1080, Android 9, with several recent versions including current beta. On my big tablet, more pixels, Android 10, it works fine.)
Menion, I found that "Overwrite exported data" is severely flawed, if turned on.
Situation: I've got 1700 tracks in one folder, after export there is only ~1300 files on SD. ?!
The overwrite option is useful for not creating dupl. files, BUT! I guess you forgot the situation which I witnessed and I think is the case.
Let's say you have many tracks in one folder, which share the same track title. This is easily the case when dealing with tracks from different devices, or tracks imported from multi-track GPX files.
With same titles, only the last exported track will be on SD. Because I think Locus derives export file names from titles.
LM crashes when I try to import its own creations - 1600+ tracks.
https://youtu.be/Vn-4AT5Pmg4
Tiny inconsistency:
Select multiple tracks in data manager, top right rectangle, "Select all" is on top. Good.
Select multiple files for database import, top right rectangle, "Select none" is on top.
@CabrioTourer
The whole "move" process internally improved, so I believe, next time it will work without any problem. Thanks
@sbouju
As I see on the screenshots, there is no space for five buttons on your 6T device.
@Viajero Perdido
problem with the top toolbar, damn. I do not like these problems. Anyway recorded in my bugs-to-fix list and will try to simulate it later on any other device (because no problems in Pixel 2 and Pixel 5 I use. Thanks.
@tapio
problem with the overwrite of tracks ... well, is it really a problem of Locus? :). Maybe. Suggestion? Name is usually the best value to clearly specify a track. After maybe 10 years of export option, you are the first. Isn't just possible to solve this unique problem by for example exporting all into single file?
LM4 crash > I'll need a) data to simulate on own device or for now better b) your ID (in the "about app" screen).
Inconsistency, good, thanks!
Quote from: Menion on November 04, 2021, 21:26:01
@sbouju
As I see on the screenshots, there is no space for five buttons on your 6T device.
And yet, the 6T has a definition of 1080x2340 pixels, against 1080x1920 (less!) for the 3T which accepts the five buttons...
Maybe the export option "Overwrite files" is usually not turned on. Of course there is workarounds, one gpx would work, but the problem is a nasty one, people may not realize the loss of data.
Locus says "Exported 1600 tracks" and user may not notice there is just 1300 files. People may rely on re-import (personally I've done that often) and then have silently lost tracks.
The track name is just not unique. I think Locus should populate a list of export file names beforehand. Then resolve collisions before writing files. Add indexes maybe on collisions. It's really bad that it overwrites files which it has created in the same export run. I'm sorry, I always put stuff on your monstrous pile of work. 😁
User id 1aacaff2a2, I will try to find the cause of import crash, maybe find limits... EDIT: Not yet found a cause. Happens pretty much at ~1004 import files.
New version MapGooglePlay_4.4.3.20_1044_beta.apk ready for test.
News probably does not appear during the start so check them in the "About app" screen!
Major: (close to) final V1 version of the new file system for A11+ devices. Transfer of root directory should be now 100% reliable no matter if it's terminated in the middle or any problem happens.
Custom directory anywhere on the device is now supported only for the "backup". Other options need a lot more test and we may discuss it later.
@tapio
you are right that export may be done better. I'll look at it, thanks.
Menion, what will happen if people on Android do not update Locus? Will the existing folder access continue to work?
The restrictions you mention are simply not acceptable.
2-Finger measurement:
Took me a moment until I noticed, the magnifiers only temporarily disappear, as long as fingers do not move.
But I found, with subsequent finger adjustments, magnifiers disappear faster? Too often they hide. IDK, it's quite finicky.
Offline Places in the search menu:
While it is good that it is in the search menu, it is not good that it directly comes up with a search field instantly. I can feel it's easy and intuitive if there is only one poi db. But it uses the last used one initially. Which can be any poidb from all over the world. Maybe you can make Locus pick a poidb depending on map center.
At least the Lopoints(offline) command from the toolbar should not start with the "All points" search field.
It still happens. I start Route Planner on a track that I have created with Locus Route Planner days before... and for some unknown reason, shaping points are (mostly) gone. Anyone ever seen this?
@tapio
what about settings "Points &tracks > Overwrite exported data"? It should solve the problem with overwriting of exported files ...
Magnifier hiding ... hmm, will have to play with it a little more, thanks.
Offline places ... this is small addition added on the push from @Michal. Anyway as I play with it, it seems to me quite useful. In most cases, you use the same country again and again and in the worst case, the back key returns you to this list of databases. Diss-advantage is that there is no clear indicator, which country file is currently active for search ... hmm :o
Lost shaping points > sorry, but without a steps to simulate this weird behavior, I can't simply help :/
@michaelbechtold
functionality is based on the application, not any date, so the old version will work as now. Not sure what happens on Android 13. What is the biggest problem for you with new limitations?
Hi Menion,
I conclude from earlier remarks that for LM4 and LMP and Locus GIS - all from your company - you would have to triple the amount of data. Maps, SRTM, everything.
And maps (both vector and raster) are currently shared between completely different apps.
In the future multiplying the amount of data???
Cheers
Michael
Quote from: tapio on November 06, 2021, 14:25:53
It still happens. I start Route Planner on a track that I have created with Locus Route Planner days before... and for some unknown reason, shaping points are (mostly) gone. Anyone ever seen this?
@tapio - shaping points correctly restored for me (although just recent route, not days before)
is the problem also there for recent route?
[Latest Beta]
I installed the last beta for testing on my tablet with A11, now after starting the APP the files are moved to an internal directory, the XML files have disappeared! I noticed it in the folders mapsVector\_themes and mapsOnline\custom.
I had to install TotalCommander to even access the new Locus directory, what a bummer from Google. I'll stay with older Locus versions for now and wait and see how things develop.
All geo App developers should unite and kickk Google's ass.
Now all of them - and their customers and users are suffering separately.
Unacceptable.
If I understand correct, after the Kit Kat misery, a similar bullying behavior by A12 is expected ?
Will this mean that even vector maps can't be shared between apps ? False ? Please Clarify.
@michaelbechtold
triple data for LM Pro, LM4 and Locus GIS is correct, but this will probably never happen right? a) use cases for these apps are different and b) also with this change, I do not expect, many people will use Locus Map Pro and Locus Map 4 at once. Why anyone wants to do it when no data (points, tracks, ...) will be shared now.
@LocusUser#1
XML files only? Interesting. I have many custom themes and custom online maps and during testing, I never lost a single item. May you please double-check that these files are missing?
@0709
correct. The same limitation applied since Android 5.0 on the SD card is now applied also on the internal memory. It was expected and my surprise is that it took so long.
And yes, sharing of the maps as you use now, so direct sharing of a single directory, won't simply be possible now. There will be some exceptions, but do not expect much from it. Is it really a problem? SD cards are huge, same with internal memory of devices ...
But there is sharing with other apps, too!
Until now ...
Quotebut this will probably never happen right? a) use cases for these apps are different and b) also with this change, I do not expect, many people will use Locus Map Pro and Locus Map 4 at once. Why anyone wants to do it when no data (points, tracks, ...) will be shared now.
e.g. all Locus betatesters to be sure that you always have a working Locus with you !
Like this morning, although the pictures of the geocaches are in the private folder, they are neither displayed offline nor online.
QuoteIs it really a problem? SD cards are huge, same with internal memory of devices
yes for sure ???
at the moment I only have 2 GB free on the inner SD, where my maps are stored on the ext SD for the moment.
Quote from: Menion on November 08, 2021, 09:47:38
@LocusUser#1
XML files only? Interesting. I have many custom themes and custom online maps and during testing, I never lost a single item. May you please double-check that these files are missing?
Yes only the xml files were not moved but disappeared. Yes I am sure, I had to copy the files again to the tablet.
Quote
I do not expect, many people will use Locus Map Pro and Locus Map 4 at once.
Unfortunately I can't use LM4 in direct sun light and so I'm forced to use parallel LM Pro ... 😰
Quote from: Menion on November 07, 2021, 21:06:59Offline places ... this is small addition added on the push from @Michal
Problem is, you go into the offline places to add some POI from specific categories. Now the first step always is to go back from the overall search. I would remove the initial overall search when approaching the dialog from the toolbar.
Weird behaviour shaping points was more a question to the other users, I cannot force the behaviour reliably myself...
Quote from: Menion on November 07, 2021, 21:06:59
@tapio
what about settings "Points &tracks > Overwrite exported data"? It should solve the problem with overwriting of exported files ...
Yes. Menion, I explained the danger. User will be OK at first look with "overwrite data" because he thinks it just overwrites old with new versions.
But user cannot see that Locus overwrites files created in the same export run - and so he gets less export files than tracks. Say 1000 same named tracks, 1000 different named. Will give you 1001 gpx files. In such a scenario data can silently get lost without noticing.
Quote from: Andrew Heard on November 07, 2021, 22:43:48@tapio - shaping points correctly restored for me (although just recent route, not days before)
is the problem also there for recent route?
Very rarely. Problem is, this issue happens since many versions, but rarely and I can not find a hint why. I have reported it once but it does not seem to be a common problem. What's special about those tracks etc., not yet seeing a reason.
Thanks for the feedback guys. Just for your info, we have a personal meeting in Prague + some other important tasks, so excuse my later response (not sure if I'll have time to fix/answer everything by end of this week). Thanks for understanding :)
With me, losing of shaping points happens in 75% of the cases in which I mix a routing profile with manual lines. Thats why I avoid using manual lines whenever possible. I also can't find a rule behind it, but it doesn't seem to have to do something with time. Often, I save a new route, then try to open it again because I want to change something, and all shaping points are gone.
@tapio
Lost shaping points is a random but more or less regular problem for me.
This year I always close Locus after route planning (and save track). At least this year no lost points.
Don't know if this was just luck.
Can totally find no rule behind it. Not related to straight lines here mostly. Looked through my "Planned" folder, there's 80 tracks, seems like maybe 1/3 lost their shaping points, leaving just 3 shaping points AFAICS.
Quote from: tapio on November 10, 2021, 10:00:45
Can totally find no rule behind it. Not related to straight lines here mostly. Looked through my "Planned" folder, there's 80 tracks, seems like maybe 1/3 lost their shaping points, leaving just 3 shaping points AFAICS.
Same here. I also experience lost shaping points sometimes, but fail to see a pattern...
Quote from: slarti76 on November 10, 2021, 17:25:12
but fail to see a pattern...
The pattern (at least) is 4 very experienced users now report the same issue. That's a good start.
Quote from: Andrew Heard on November 10, 2021, 22:45:03The pattern (at least) is 4 very experienced users now report the same issue. That's a good start.
I created a Helpdesk entry for it:
https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/26347-shaping-points-get-lost-from-saved-route-planner-tracks
@tapio will understand why I make this trivial post ;-)
Attached are examples of a "point visibility count" bug. It is likely a very rare instance, and I can't reproduce it, but thought I'd share it anyway for some fun. I think it is likely some incorrectly cached database count of visible points. In original case, count=1 but actual visible=0; in another case count=0 but actual visible=4. When I tapped on "show all" then "show none" the count was finally fixed.
The point visibility bug is the ONLY bug as far as I'm concerned; it happens all the time to me. I don't have a complete recipe to duplicate it, but might be close. From memory:
1) Always keep Favorites folder showing all points, always, on both devices. If I see 0 or a small number, grumble and turn them back to all visible.
2) On phone, move a point from Favorites to another folder. Sometimes, I also Hide the point after moving.
3) Time passes. Sync happens.
4) Favorites on tablet show 0 or small number visible. (!!!)
extSD is not available for point/track export
Quote from: Viajero Perdido on November 18, 2021, 18:45:44
The point visibility bug is the ONLY bug as far as I'm concerned
@Viajero Perdido - yes I didn't mention Cloud Sync, but I feel is directly related, somehow. Hide all/ Show all is an easy workaround for me now.
Uff, hard 14+ days ...
Version MapGooglePlay_4.4.3.28_1045_beta published as Beta.
Major change
- final version 1.0 of the filesystem on A11+. More & discussion in a separate topic here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7625.msg65737#msg65737), thanks
Minor changes
- few fixes & as usual, check the latest news after the app start. I'll also comment on your latest comments here later.
Was very much looking forward to sort per folder, thx for that one.
You are welcome. Check please also export of your 1000+ tracks. It should work correctly (I hope) as well even with overwrite option ;)
Yes, solved... just some rare collision? with overwrite mode. 1623 exported tracks, 1622 files. Will check on PC (totalcmd) what's the missing file.
I am also looking forward to the sorting, it is much better now. But there is one more improvement.
But I do not know if it is much or little effort. That's why I made a suggestion.
https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/26448-save-sorting-by-folders-temporary-change
#150
problem furthermore exist
Existing images are only displayed once, they are no longer displayed when the listing is opened again. Restarting locus does not solve the problem.
May you please pack me here a directory for s cache that does not correctly display images for you? Thanks.
Hello menion,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jdzsdrqhfsdmkov/20211129_081230.mp4?dl=0
the problem occurs with every cache with images, regardless of whether the images are in the listing or as an attachment/spoiler.
When creating the video I noticed that the images are only displayed once when they are downloaded with wifi for the first time.
Once the images are available under locus/data/geocaching.... they are no longer displayed.
If I delete the saved images, they are re-downloaded and displayed once when I open the geocaches again with wifi.
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if inside a preset the top panel is set to "auto hide"
autohide didn´t work if hight data of the map area is not available
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8wtxqlo0ce8qbob/20211129_104116.mp4?dl=0
@balloni55
ah got it. Seems to be a new limitation of A11 where it can't access downloaded images in a private directory. Uff, fortunately there exists a method directly from Google ... should work in the next app version.
And not working auto-hide. Because "Download data" is part of the top panel, it is currently intent.
LM became unreliable when dealing with many tracks. Import of more than 1000 gpx not possible. Crash. Display of many tracks not possible. From a 1600 tracks folder it loads 30%, then crashes. Maybe other users confirm...
Hmm, you are using the latest app version? If so, what is your "User ID" visible in the "about app"? Thanks
1AACAF2A2 - latest beta.
Interesting Tapio, I see no issues under this ID! Only what I've found is a user with the similar ID "1aacaff2a2", but there is no often serious crash during last days.
The crash during import happens always right during/after the import itself? If, then it should be replicable on my own device if you are willing to share this zip with me. Thanks!
Quoteah got it. Seems to be a new limitation of A11 where it can't access downloaded images in a private directory. Uff, fortunately there exists a method directly from Google ... should work in the next app version.
confirm solved :D thanks
Hi Menion, crash on import 1600 GPX files, I have recorded some beta versions ago. Happens like this: https://youtube.com/shorts/Vn-4AT5Pmg4?feature=share
I try to create a GPX collection that causes it. Files are a bit too private for sharing, they reflect too much of my private/job movement.
- New version, that sort type badge is useful
- Thx for PlusCode high precision.
@tapio
ah, it crashes directly here upon selection. Hmm, I'm starting to have an idea why this happens and I'm a little worried it won't be easily solvable. Pack them to the zip and import this zip file for now. It should work without a problem.
Hmm ... these were a damn hard two months for me ::)
Final version generated (almost identical to the latest Beta version) and published for 10% of users on Google Play (Locus Map 4 only). On Monday, where there won't be any serious problem, I'll publish it for the rest of the users.
Thanks for the help as usual! I Hope, you will excuse my pauses in answers, the file system took almost all my time.