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Title: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 07:22:08
New Locus Map (4) version

Important links
- blog post (https://www.locusmap.app/locus-map-4-is-here-enjoy-its-first-release/)
- list of news (https://help.locusmap.eu/announcement/locus-map-version-4-0-30-3-2021) of public versions
- Beta versions (http://bit.ly/lmVersionsTest)

Versions
30. 3. 2021 - Locus 4.0.0
8. 4. 2021 - Locus 4.0.1

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on March 30, 2021, 09:25:04
First of all: Great work, so happy it's finally out. Wish you good luck with the subscription model!

One weird thing I noticed:
I installed LM4 for the first time on a phone where I didn't use the betas. Trying to populate my "Floating menu", I can't find "Routing data updater". So I checked my other phone where that button is already in the Floating menu: It's still there, but the long-click list also doesn't contain it - so if I replace it, I wouldn't be able to get it back...
Additional: What is in the list, though, is the Floating Menu again, which makes no sense (down the rabbit hole ;) )
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on March 30, 2021, 10:23:50
First of all: Great work, so happy it's finally out. Wish you good luck with the subscription model!

Same fore me !  :)

And a first question...
Is there an easy way to navigate again to a recently used waypoint of its own library(ies)?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on March 30, 2021, 11:26:13
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) THAAAAANKs 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

and it goes on ;)

#138 from pre-release thread > solved
#149 from pre-release thread > furthermore FC > log just send
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Bernard P. on March 30, 2021, 11:48:25
Great job !

I have two questions, may be FAQ...

- Is it possible to have installed and use both Locus Pro and Locus 4, without conflict (and what about common files, tracks, ...) ?

- I'm a little bit confused between the three versions... Can you publish a table with all differences ? (three columns, free, silver and gold, and functionality yes/no) ?

Best regards
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 12:02:54
@slarti76
Thanks  :). We are really curious after a month or two, if this system will work ...

"Routing data updater" > it was moved under the routing menu. Choose "Internal LoRouter" in the settings navigation and tap on the side settings menu. The best is to set up more frequent automatic updates and forget on this ... it works quite well as 4 days or weekly updates are really small. I see currently only missing option and it's a method to remove un-needed segments. This later ...

@sbouju
Hmm, probably not. There is no list of recently used points ... an interesting idea ...

@balloni55
And the show must go on  :)

Thanks for the bug report. It happens only with caches right? I believe I've found a reason (and fixed it now)!

@Bernard P.
1. if you have main "Locus" folder in the root of internal memory, most content will be shared. No problem with this setup for now. Later this year, it will have to change, but more about it later ...

2. https://www.locusmap.app/premium/
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on March 30, 2021, 12:47:37
Offline locus map, north Italy.
The names overlap creating confusion and are bigger than the places they represent

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210330/f90dc8190621ac1af25ef90694ff3a70.jpg)

Inviato dal mio SM-A520F utilizzando Tapatalk

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on March 30, 2021, 12:57:07
I found some differences between the locus map of northern Italy online and the one downloadable from the locus store. The offline map dates back to 2021.01.18, how often are updated?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on March 30, 2021, 13:04:45
@slarti76
Thanks  :). We are really curious after a month or two, if this system will work ...

"Routing data updater" > it was moved under the routing menu. Choose "Internal LoRouter" in the settings navigation and tap on the side settings menu. The best is to set up more frequent automatic updates and forget on this ... it works quite well as 4 days or weekly updates are really small. I see currently only missing option and it's a method to remove un-needed segments. This later ...
Well, I only saw the new auto-update now, that's nice - but it's missing a "WiFi only" option. Or, if that's the case anyway, a note saying that. Even if it's small, when roaming it might be a problem.
Secondly, I don't see why cleaning up a long list by one option has any use. If a list has <10 items, then yeah. But this is a "all Locus can do on one tap" list, so why leave it out if someone likes it there? (not necessarily me)

@Bernard P.
1. if you have main "Locus" folder in the root of internal memory, most content will be shared. No problem with this setup for now. Later this year, it will have to change, but more about it later ...
I actually have to pour a little salt in here. While it's true that everything is shared - and I didn't experience any problems - some data that is shared would have better been separated. I know, should've mentioned that earlier, but I think presets and dashboards should've gotten their own directories ("presets4"/"dashboards4"?). I had to do new dashboards because the old ones didn't play along well with the new design. For presets, the main problem is the setup of the function panels - there also some stuff doesn't make sense anymore with the new layout and functions (e.g. I had to re-add "Lock Zoom" in my function panels, but don't need it in LM3).
Personally, I don't care, because I intend to drop LM3 completely. But I think it should be mentioned.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on March 30, 2021, 13:17:23

@sbouju
Hmm, probably not. There is no list of recently used points ... an interesting idea ...


Not *my" idea !  Such a feature figure in many other navigation software I used (and probaly others), as those from Garmin, TomTom, etc...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 13:22:13
@lor74cas
this is more a task on @voldapet , anyway please be aware that maps are not 100% identical and most probably, offline LoMaps will be always a little more detailed.

@slarti76
Downloader works only for "Unmetered" connections, so usually wi-fi (general connections where you have no limit).

The selection of individual items is there partially for historical reasons. Anyway as I wrote, it will needs improvements. I have something in my mind, but because it is not extra important now, it will have to wait a while ...

Shared content > not everything is shared! Anyway as I already mentioned few times, since September 2021, this will no longer works and data will have to be unique for both apps. Till then, I have to prepare system that will copy data from internal memory to app private folders ...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 30, 2021, 13:56:09
Hi Menion, did you try to convince Google that Locus falls under the category of file managers and alike (which get privileges to access file systems broadly).
And this is not a lie anyway!!
1) Many people use more than one geo app.
2) geo apps deal with huge amounts of data in general, be it maps, SRTM and other data
3) which typically should be shared rather than duplicated, enforced by a silly Google ideology
Worth trying I'd say!
Good luck and kind regards
Michael
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 14:02:47
Hi, I've not yet tried. I firstly need to spend huge amount of time studying little overcomplicated system how app work with file system since A11 and after that, I'll decide if something like this is needed.

Anyway, I expect it won't be necessary. The app will simply live in the own private directory in the internal memory/SD card. Some read-only data should be still accessible from external sources like vector maps or SRTM data now. The big risk is data loss ... automatic backups to the cloud + Premium Gold are savers. There also should not be a need for two app versions (Free/Pro) so life should be a little easier ...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on March 30, 2021, 15:22:56
Downloader works only for "Unmetered" connections, so usually wi-fi (general connections where you have no limit).
Ok, fine with me, just better mention it in the dialog or people might not use it for fear of costs.

The selection of individual items is there partially for historical reasons. Anyway as I wrote, it will needs improvements. I have something in my mind, but because it is not extra important now, it will have to wait a while ...
Sure, not that important, looking forward to what you have in mind ;)

Shared content > not everything is shared! Anyway as I already mentioned few times, since September 2021, this will no longer works and data will have to be unique for both apps. Till then, I have to prepare system that will copy data from internal memory to app private folders ...
I know. Still, having to edit mark my dashboards with "LM4" manually to tell them apart is a bit of a workaround.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on March 30, 2021, 15:43:10
@sbouju

Maybe this could be what you mean:
– long click on plus in the route planner
– top right "recently used"

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on March 30, 2021, 17:28:16
Maybe this could be what you mean...

Thank you, and yes, this is a way... but only for recently *planned* destination, I fear!   ;)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on March 30, 2021, 17:40:44
Audio coach icon is black.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: starka on March 30, 2021, 20:09:01
pushing the map, visible lags. with older version v3 everything is ok
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 20:21:42
@tapio
thanks

@starka
more info needed. I did not notice any un-usual lags.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: voldapet on March 30, 2021, 21:37:30
@lor74cas
The offline LoMaps in LM4 are the same as used to be in LM3. The incorrect priority or wrap of text labels is a quite an old issue - still not ideal. The size of the text should represent the priority of the POIs - we can discuss it, but probably in a separate topic :)

The online LoMaps are updated continuously, let say about every 10 days. The offline every 2 - 3 months
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: zossebart on March 31, 2021, 07:00:27
Hey,

first, congratulations for the new version! great (and much) work!
Immediately signed gold last week. Finally a way to give at least something back to you guys, you are doing great work! I tried to buy some locoins from time to time in the old version to support you a little bit, (and get new lomaps with the pois), but now with the subscription I feel better, because I cannot forget it :-)

I have a question regarding migration from pro to 4. I did a full Backup in pro and imported it to 4. What else exactly do I have to do to fully migrate?
- change default directories from "menion.android.locus.pro" to the "menion.android.locus" - subfolders
- copy over all those folders (maps?, mapsOnline?, Mapsvector?, srtm?, MapItems?, router?, config.cfg?). or are some of them included in the backup? I'm a little bit confused
- change all the package names for intentents in my tasker task from "menion.android.locus.pro" to "menion.android.locus"?
- what else did I miss?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on March 31, 2021, 07:12:39
@lor74cas
The offline LoMaps in LM4 are the same as used to be in LM3. The incorrect priority or wrap of text labels is a quite an old issue - still not ideal. The size of the text should represent the priority of the POIs - we can discuss it, but probably in a separate topic :)

The online LoMaps are updated continuously, let say about every 10 days. The offline every 2 - 3 months
The online LoMaps are updated every 10 days. I assume the LoPoi also every 10 days?

That could then also be mentioned in the new operating instructions. Then the question won't come up that often in the future.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on March 31, 2021, 07:25:50
Hey,

first, congratulations for the new version! great (and much) work!
Immediately signed gold last week. Finally a way to give at least something back to you guys, you are doing great work! I tried to buy some locoins from time to time in the old version to support you a little bit, (and get new lomaps with the pois), but now with the subscription I feel better, because I cannot forget it :-)

I have a question regarding migration from pro to 4. I did a full Backup in pro and imported it to 4. What else exactly do I have to do to fully migrate?
- change default directories from "menion.android.locus.pro" to the "menion.android.locus" - subfolders
- copy over all those folders (maps?, mapsOnline?, Mapsvector?, srtm?, MapItems?, router?, config.cfg?). or are some of them included in the backup? I'm a little bit confused
- change all the package names for intentents in my tasker task from "menion.android.locus.pro" to "menion.android.locus"?
- what else did I miss?
I also have questions. We did migration from Pro to LM4 once. But also moving to a new phone.
Since then, the backup has only included points and tracks and some settings.
Attached images were missing in separate points. Subsequently attached images in geocache. Log images. Icons?
???
Instructions on what is saved automatically would be very helpful. Also what exactly needs to be considered when moving to a new phone. What is important here is what is included in the backup and what has to be moved manually.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on March 31, 2021, 07:34:38
The online LoMaps are updated every 10 days. I assume the LoPoi also every 10 days?

That could then also be mentioned in the new operating instructions. Then the question won't come up that often in the future.

Good point.
If I had found the information on the locus store on the map page I would not have asked. I think it is useful information for those who buy and for those who want to know how often updates take place.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Doggy on March 31, 2021, 10:52:39
Dark centering icon in left-handed mode.  Merging icon.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on March 31, 2021, 12:55:19
@zossebart
thanks, this is nice from you!

Migration: depend on where you have data. It is generally very close to installing the app on the new device (https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php?id=manual:faq:move_to_new_phone). If you have data at the root of your internal memory, only backup & restore of settings is useful. Otherwise, you have to copy data manually to the app's private directory.

Probably best is to just use LM4 and if all will work, nothing is missing ;).

@freischneider
questions that come often on our help desk are then added to some FAQ etc. Anyway agree, this may be useful, I'll inform Michal about it.

Btw. because LoPoints are under our full control (compare to LoMaps), they are currently updated 2x a week. Same with offline LoRouter data.

Migration to the new phone: as wrote in mentioned link.
Anyway most easy from my point of view:
- copy whole Locus directory to the new device
- do only a backup of settings > restore on the second device

That's all.

@Doggy
ah thanks, fixed
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on March 31, 2021, 13:29:09

Thank you, and yes, this is a way... but only for recently *planned* destination, I fear!   ;)

You are right, that's not exactly what you where looking for... Understand... But hope it helps a bit :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on March 31, 2021, 17:46:58
I am testing Locus live tracking.

When I share a link from my tracking with another person, they have several possible choices to follow me on their smartphone, after clicking on the sharing link: among the applications offered for this tracking, there is in particular Chrome, where the tracking works very well, but also Locus Map himself, where unfortunately there is no detectable tracking.

Is this an error in the Android proposal? A future function not yet implemented? A setting to be made ...?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: haudek on March 31, 2021, 19:17:33
Hello,

Android 10 with dark mode

1. Black icons on a dark background in the main menu.

(http://)

2. Filter in the Locus Store.
2a. Black icons (some)
2b. The word "Maps" and some of the labels below are untranslated. It's a bit strange, because the Polish translation is 100% ready.

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: T-mo on March 31, 2021, 23:07:03
short feedback: after trying several times with each LM4 RCs and drop in vibrations, LM4 final made LocusStore and subscription working. Hallelujah!
Must have been some sort of Easter egg ;) :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 31, 2021, 23:19:19
@Menion some comments on installing LM4 on a 2nd device:

Display Go Premium or My Subscription?
Because the new 2nd device is logged in to the same Locus World account, it should be able to immediately determine that the My Subscription menu item is displayed instead of the confusing Go Premium menu item.

Duplicate track & point groups & folders for Cloud Sync
You may vaguely recall many months ago when I used Cloud Sync on a 2nd device I got duplicate track & point groups & folders. Again on a 2nd device (different one this time) the same annoying thing has happened. My partners phone had LM3.51 installed. I installed LM4 & used same Locus World account so we have the same points & tracks. I restored the settings ZIP from my own phone. Then performed cloud sync. Now every track & point group & folder is duplicated. So I have to very carefully delete each folder then each group. I think/ hope it will be only once from past experience.

PS. now after performing a Cloud Sync on 1st device (after cleaning up device 2 & new sync), all the groups & tracks & points are duplicated on this 1st device. So I gave up trying to merge tracks from 2 phones; I exported far smaller # from device 2; did a complete Cloud Sync > Advanced > Full download on 2nd device. LM4 crashed once doing this! Just me?

Presets not backed up on device 1, or restored on device 2
Confirmed - file timestamp of LB files on 2nd device are old, haven't been overwritten by restore of ZIP.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 01, 2021, 02:50:35
LM4.0.0 Cloud Sync > Compute Plan error:
can reproduce 100%; cloud sync in general is 100% fine
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 01, 2021, 05:26:17
LM4.0.0 Locus Store bug: successfully downloaded a LoMap (vector) then tap Back > Back > Back > Back > ahhh - I can't escape  from LM4 ;-)

stuck on the screen cap page
tap Back > displays Loading..." for 5s then returns to same page
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 01, 2021, 08:11:23
LM4.0.0 Locus Store bug: successfully downloaded a LoMap (vector) then tap Back > Back > Back > Back > ahhh - I can't escape  from LM4 ;-)

stuck on the screen cap page
tap Back > displays Loading..." for 5s then returns to same page
This behaviour was always like this (LM3, too). Tap the "home" button in the lower left corner.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 01, 2021, 08:12:31
LM4.0.0 Cloud Sync > Compute Plan error:
  • Cloud sync (manual)
  • dot-dot-dot > Advanced > Compute Plan
  • interesting geeky plan > tap Back
  • observe error 10601 in attached screen cap
Same for me - me and others pushed Menion to add this option, obviously Menion forgot to take out the error message in this - now intended - situation.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 01, 2021, 08:13:46
Display Go Premium or My Subscription?
  • on 1st device - Gold subscription displayed at bottom of menu
  • on 2nd device with newly installed LM4 - menu @ bottom displays Go Premium
  • on 2nd device - menu > Locus Store - confirm account, exit
  • on 2nd device - now menu @ bottom correctly displays My Subscription, and each further time LM4 is run
Because the new 2nd device is logged in to the same Locus World account, it should be able to immediately determine that the My Subscription menu item is displayed instead of the confusing Go Premium menu item.
I had the same, but frankly, what do you expect? As long as you didn't log the new device in with any account, Locus can't check for subscription, can it?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 01, 2021, 08:54:33
@sbojuju
what happens when on the Android device with Locus Map click on invite link? I've just tried and Locus Map was correctly started, then started Live tracking and app correctly joined the invited group. Now you only need to start tracking with the invited group. If you expect that the app will simply display the group, it does not work like this. In the app, you have to actively track to a certain group to see its other users.

@haudek
Are you using native dark mode by the app or is some system-defined Dark mode forced to all apps? If the second option, then doesn't do this!

Translaton in the Locus Store is more complicated. Many of visible texts is directly on the Locus Store server so translation in the app is not used here.

@Andrew Heard
long feedback, thanks!

1. Display Go Premium or My Subscription
Here is a small unfinished task: the server not yet actively notify all devices about change in the user account. But, because of many optimizations, the app does not contact the server until it knows for sure, that it needs it. So now, it is necessary to do something that forces the app to load fresh user account parameters from the Locus Store > well, for example, open Locus Store :). We already have a plan for improvements, so it will be done in next month(s).

@slarti76, right, but we already have a working system for "push-notifications" for sync (so server tell the app to download new data), so we will use the same for changes in subscription, accepted LoCoins gifts etc.

2. Duplicate track & point groups & folders for Cloud Sync
Thanks for the description, but based on your steps, no problem like this should really happen there. When you start the sync on the second (and third, etc) device and some data are already on the server, the app should offer "Full download" (so discard local data and download only data from the server). Nothing like this happens to you?

In case, you have a valid backup before the sync, it is possible to clear server content and start the sync from scratch.

3. Presets not backed up on device 1, or restored on device 2
Restoring backups from LM Pro may cause a mess in rare cases I believe. I'm not sure to which settings this applies, but in the LM4 are some methods that a) convert old settings to new and then b) remove old settings after that. Maybe it may be a reason for this behavior? Anyway, if this is not an easily repeatable problem, please just set your function panels again. Thanks.

4. Compute Plan error
Geeky function (compute plan) > Geeky result > Geeky "error". It is not a real error. App simply force-stop sync process and you see this result. It is correct.

5. Stuck in Locus Store
Heh, funny right? This issue is there for years. I was still never able to simulate it and fix it. Also because of this exists small "Home" button as @slarti76 correctly wrote :).
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: haudek on April 01, 2021, 09:52:53
Are you using native dark mode by the app or is some system-defined Dark mode forced to all apps? If the second option, then doesn't do this!
Oh! Got it. I added Locus Map 4 to the exceptions list for dark mode and it now works in light mode.
I was pretty sure this would work when I saw the blog post and there were light icons on a dark background.
https://www.locusmap.app/locus-map-4-is-here-enjoy-its-first-release/

Translaton in the Locus Store is more complicated. Many of visible texts is directly on the Locus Store server so translation in the app is not used here.
OK.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 01, 2021, 09:55:04
Sure, enable officially supported dark mode in the app settings > Display.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Žajdlík Josef on April 01, 2021, 10:54:17
Just query. LM4 no longer has a feature lock zoom?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 01, 2021, 11:26:44
Michal discovered this yesterday as well. Together with "magnifier", these items were available as a button to function panel, but only in Beta. I've forget to enable this in the final version, sorry. So in the next version ...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 01, 2021, 20:33:03
Hi.  First off, congratulations - this looks great!

Just a few minor items...

The "Select Subscription" page shows for me (in Canada), prices with "$".  It's unclear whether that's C$ or US$; it's a perpetual source of confusion for those of us with non-US "$" money..  On the previous page (Premium), it does show "CA$", but I hadn't noticed.  (Both C$ and CA$ are understood here.)

I see "Weather" with the "silver" graphic beside it, but on the feature-comparison chart, it appears to be a gold feature.

I was perplexed at first to see "Map Manager" in three places on the hamburger menu, but before long figured out, I can press-and-hold to change the assignment.  Is there a way to make that more discoverable, press-and-hold?  (Maybe a popup, "OK, got it!")

And (per your previous post), I assume it'll soon be easy to attach a "magnifier" button somewhere convenient?  I use the magnifier a lot (old eyes), but only for a few seconds at a time.  So I'll never go through all the menus twice just for that.  (I know I can magnify everything; that's a workaround.)  Thanks!
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: john_percy on April 01, 2021, 21:31:03
Map screen content menu: Map overlays [SILVER][SILVER] (see screen shot)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210401/ec49a6d63c60f9fdf95ff66371226f8a.jpg)

Sent from my moto g(6) plus using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 01, 2021, 23:08:26
LM4.0.0 Locus Store bug: successfully downloaded a LoMap (vector) then tap Back > Back > Back > Back > ahhh - I can't escape  from LM4 ;-)

stuck on the screen cap page
tap Back > displays Loading..." for 5s then returns to same page
This behaviour was always like this (LM3, too). Tap the "home" button in the lower left corner.
@slarti76 @Menion - may be a known problem, but was 1st time it happened to me, and even now while replying & checking again, I can simply tap the Back button with no problems; so partly why I've never needed/ observed the "home" button.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on April 01, 2021, 23:10:05
@sbouju
what happens when on the Android device with Locus Map click on invite link? I've just tried and Locus Map was correctly started, then started Live tracking and app correctly joined the invited group. Now you only need to start tracking with the invited group. If you expect that the app will simply display the group, it does not work like this. In the app, you have to actively track to a certain group to see its other users.

OK, thank you, I had not understood that live tracking needed to be started too on the invited smartphone... I shall try all this again!  ;)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 01, 2021, 23:13:00
but frankly, what do you expect? As long as you didn't log the new device in with any account
@slarti76 - what do you expect? I expect something less confusing - as I tried to explain in step #3 I had logged in with the same account, so Locus should display "My Subscriptions" and not "Go Premium". Anyway, @Menion is aware of the issue. Thanks.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 01, 2021, 23:19:31
2. Duplicate track & point groups & folders for Cloud Sync
based on your steps, no problem like this should really happen there.
@Menion - ha ha - it has happened twice, but haven't read of it happening to anyone else. I have done a lot of QA/ black-white box testing in my career.

When you start the sync on the second (and third, etc) device and some data are already on the server, the app should offer "Full download" (so discard local data and download only data from the server). Nothing like this happens to you?
no, there was no offer for "Full download"

3. Presets not backed up on device 1, or restored on device 2
Restoring backups from LM Pro may cause a mess in rare cases I believe. I'm not sure to which settings this applies, but in the LM4 are some methods that a) convert old settings to new and then b) remove old settings after that. Maybe it may be a reason for this behavior? Anyway, if this is not an easily repeatable problem, please just set your function panels again. Thanks.
yes I experienced the rare case, but 5 presets x 7 buttons, it's a lot of work, so I just copied the 5 LB files from one device to the other. Now all working I think.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on April 01, 2021, 23:42:56
Looking at my LocusMap web (sync being done) and going in "PLANNER"/"MY LIBRARY", I can find all my tracks OK, but I have no access to my waypoints...

Normal?

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 02, 2021, 00:00:39
Sorry for all the posts but lots of testing, lots of changes.

Cloud sync/ LM4 crash
compute plan below if that helps:
Code: [Select]
id: 6a4b4d0c-82f4-4b03-8b2d-3155e15c3211
status: -1
start: 2 Apr., 8:51 am
end: 2 Apr., 8:51 am
changesSince: 23 Feb., 3:11 pm

plan:
  operation POINT_GROUP, pull: 0, pullDelete: 32, push: 0, pushDelete: 0
  operation TRACK_GROUP, pull: 11, pullDelete: 22, push: 0, pushDelete: 0
  operation       POINT, pull: 0, pullDelete: 278, push: 0, pushDelete: 0
  operation       TRACK, pull: 32, pullDelete: 84, push: 0, pushDelete: 0
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 02, 2021, 08:43:43
but frankly, what do you expect? As long as you didn't log the new device in with any account
@slarti76 - what do you expect? I expect something less confusing - as I tried to explain in step #3 I had logged in with the same account, so Locus should display "My Subscriptions" and not "Go Premium". Anyway, @Menion is aware of the issue. Thanks.
I apologize for the snarky answer from my side. Wasn't my day, shouldn't have written at all.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Saturo on April 02, 2021, 09:32:15
Settings
Points & Tracks
Tap on point -> popup

doesn´t have any effect in the free version
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Saturo on April 02, 2021, 09:42:35
Geocache with Childwaypoints.
How is it possible to center map on a Child-Waypoint?
The entry is not longer there in the Waypoint menu.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Hennes on April 02, 2021, 09:45:43
As a long term Locus Pro user I installed the new version yesterday and bought the Gold subscription with the discount immediately.

My first impression was like: The interface changed but apart from that I don't see any major changes.
I know there's new stuff but apparently I only used a small portion of what Locus offers.
To be honest I am not sure that if the Gold plan is the right one for me. But for now I am happy that I have 12 month for testing and then I will decided whether Gold/Silver is the subscription that fits me most.

During my testing yesterday some questions arose.

1. For me the most needed function is to have a web track editor. Just tested the new one for a short while and it looks really good. Since gpsies is gone I haven't found any good track editor (don't like alltrails).
I guess I can create a new track with my computer and it is available in Locus Map on my phone, right? I mean there's a sync between them? I do not have to download the gpx file send it to my mobile, right?
If so, is it only part of gold plan or also silver?

2. I miss the buttons for zooming out and in when viewing the map. 2 finger zoom is not always possible. Is it hidden in the settings?

3. Is there a fast way to quit Locus Map? Don't want to click through the menu several times.

4. With Locus Pro I was able to easily import gpx files. For example someone sent it to me via mail. I clicked on the attachment in the mail, Locus opened and offered me to import the track.
With version 4 Locus opens but that's all. No popup dialog and ofcourse not import. Why is that?

5. The 2nd time I started Locus I had the free/ad version and I was offered the subscription (again). Of course I didn't buy it (again). Restarting didn't help. The ads disappeared after a while and today I was recognised as a gold user. So perhaps this is already solved

6. What type of contour lines does Locus use? Any chance to integrate the high resolution 1 arcsecond files into the LoMaps?


Hennes

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 02, 2021, 10:23:56
Hennes. You are in all points right about web planner. Gold subscription. https://www.locusmap.app/de/vergleich/

Zoom buttons exist: Search in options, you can enter "zoom" as a search term.

Quit LM: yes, you can add "Exit" to main menu or toolbar.

GPX - strange. I'm also interested. Personally I've linked gpx to LM4 via TotalCommander and yes, LM4 shows the import options here.

In Locus Store you can download elevation data. It downloads the precise 1" data, if available. You can check in the SRTM folder - those files are 24MB. Alternatively you can download manually and put hgt files to data/srtm. https://data.opendataportal.at/dataset/dtm-germany
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 02, 2021, 12:57:25
Geocache with Childwaypoints.
How is it possible to center map on a Child-Waypoint?
The entry is not longer there in the Waypoint menu.
select child-wpt from list,
after click on button map is centered to this
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Graf Geo on April 02, 2021, 14:19:47
Hello, I also booked Gold despite initial scepticism, the great Locus development deserves support!

At first I had a bit of a hard time with LM4, but in the meantime I have got used to it. So far, the added value compared to LMpro for my needs is limited, but I haven't tried or found everything yet. The Webpaner is still very rudimentary.

I'm looking forward to future new functions and improvements, thanks to the team and keep up the good work!
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Die Batzen on April 02, 2021, 17:44:07
Geocaching4Locus - Import Bookmark List
I would have expected to stay in LM 4 instead of being redirected to LM Pro.

As an example, you can try https://coord.info/BM85PMJ (https://coord.info/BM85PMJ) (simply make a copy of the list).

I'm unsure if this is an issue from Geocaching4Locus or LM. Nevertheless, I mention it here.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 02, 2021, 18:08:03
@ Die Batzen
for me it work as expected and i am ask with which App i want to open/import the list.
So go to your android settings/Apps/ Locus Pro and clear setting "Festlegen als Standart"
Restart Locus and try it again
Wolfgang
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Die Batzen on April 02, 2021, 18:45:04
@balloni55
You made my day!
Thanks a lot for the hint, never would have thought of Android settings.

All is working as expected now.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: michaelbechtold on April 03, 2021, 14:21:07
Looking at my LocusMap web (sync being done) and going in "PLANNER"/"MY LIBRARY", I can find all my tracks OK, but I have no access to my waypoints...
Normal?
I had the same observation and question and Menion explained that this will come in a future release.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: bezel on April 03, 2021, 14:22:10
@menion:
is it possible to arrange the function bar at the top as usual (as with locuspro)?

I don't like the subscription model at all - when will the one time payments model you mentioned be available and at what price (there are talks about 100 euro!)?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: didado on April 03, 2021, 17:15:49
I've been playing around some with LoPoints offline. From a standpoint of someone riding a fuel based vehicle such as a car or motorcycle the most important LoPoint would be a Gas Station. As it stands now this LoPoint feature is not useable.

In LoPoint I can choose Car Services -> Gas Station and then I get 100 Charging Stations in a radius of less then a 500 meters from my house. The icons for a Charging Station/point are also the same  icon as a Gas Station.

LoPoints offline should really distinguish between Gas (Petrol) Stations and Charging Points because it is near impossible to find a Gas Station this way in busy area's when there are hundreds of Charging Points such as in a city like Amsterdam.

I do love this app :-)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on April 04, 2021, 14:51:07
Live tracking again...
If I launch a live tracking in a private group and share the link to some other persons, do they need to have a gold, or silver subscription to fully reach the tracking in their Locus app ? Or the free version of LM is sufficient...?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 05, 2021, 17:12:59
I've been playing with Sync (gold).

Firstly, I couldn't save a route from the web planner.  It said I had to sync, but I couldn't see a sync option anywhere.  Figured it out, sync on a device.

Secondly, I tried to sync on the tablet.  It worked but took hours with very little data flow, odd but maybe by design.  Subsequent manual sync on that device takes only a few seconds then reports success.

Thirdly, I tried to sync on the phone.  Always, after a minute or two, "Process unsuccessful 4/5".  (I wish there was a message that told me how to fix this.)  It never reaches 1%.  Clearing temporary data (in Locus) doesn't help.  Clearing storage and cache (via system) doesn't help.  Reinstalling doesn't help.  I sent a crash report; unknown if related.  I deleted 3 "Sync*" files, even that doesn't help.

Once, while doing something nearby (was it doing "Compute Plan"?  Don't remember.), it said Whoops! Stopped [gibberish] code 10601.

On the phone, the hamburger menu shows my name at top (I always login with Google) and Locus Map GOLD at bottom, and "My Subscription" shows a checkmark beside Gold Annually Exclusive.  On the tablet, same checkmark etc, but oddly, no mention of GOLD at the bottom.  EDIT: Both tablet and phone have 4.0.0, but I see my user ID is dramatically different length between the two?!?  40 vs 10 hex digits; is this significant?

The short user ID (on tablet) is f352c39341, in case it helps.  I'm not typing the long one.  :)

EDIT: Started up my backup phone (BV6000s), opened Locus Store (seems necessary), verified 4.0.0, Gold subscription checkmark, but noticed "GOLD" missing from hamburger menu, noticed user ID is short but different from other devices.  Sync.  On this phone it seems to be working: more progress than the other phone, at 4/5 and moving very slowly at 1%.  After some hours, I assume it'll finish.

EDIT: I did manage to successfully get a Sync Plan, but still cannot successfully accomplish the first manual sync, and Auto Sync is still greyed out.  I'm out of ideas.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Graf Geo on April 06, 2021, 09:17:11
@ Viajero Perdido: The synchronisation works fine, I can't detect any problems.

When you create a route in the web planner, you must save it afterwards. The button is on the left below the list of waypoints.

In the "Save to my library" dialogue box that appears, you must enter a name and select a folder. Then save. This will upload the route to the cloud.
The next time you synchronise with your smartphone/tablet, the route will appear there in the list of tracks.

Unfortunately, I don't know why the synchronisation hangs with you and some others ("Process unsuccessful 4/5").  As I said, it works perfectly for me.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: ost on April 06, 2021, 11:29:36
Hello,
Good work.
Is possible to display view direction as in Locus Pro  3.5 ?
Thanks.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Graf Geo on April 06, 2021, 12:06:38
^ Yes. Click repeatedly on the multifunctional centre and rotate button until the compass icon appears.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 06, 2021, 17:52:01
When you create a route in the web planner, you must save it afterwards.
Thanks but yes, I was trying to do exactly that.  A message told me I had to sync first, but the message could've usefully said I had to sync on a mobile device first.  So of course I looked for Sync on the web interface, where there's no such word.

Still can't sync with my main phone.   :-\

Sync works OK between my tablet and backup phone, but I never want to use that phone.  Sync doubles up my geocache folders, but maybe that'll straighten out after I delete the extras.  Tiiiiiime will tell, because it syncs slowly.

But if it doesn't work on my main phone, I can't use the feature.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: danielson on April 06, 2021, 18:02:50
Thank you for all the great work! I've been user of the Pro version for years, and from today a new subscriber (Gold option). The only thing that I really miss in version 4.0 is unconstrained panel customization.
In the classic version, I had this layout (both panels with auto-hidden option):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51099080904_fdc441c94d_b.jpg)

In version 4.0, unfortunately, I cannot get such a layout:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51099540108_59e9e636ea_o.png)

Is it possible to restore free panel customization in the future versions of the new application?

Daniel
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 06, 2021, 18:09:16
Thank you for all the great work! I've been user of the Pro version for years, and from today a new subscriber (Gold option). The only thing that I really miss in version 4.0 is unconstrained panel customization.
In the classic version, I had this layout (both panels with auto-hidden option):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/xEMVLn0VJvtiPjTdkcWWtVH3qowhvYCOGTLVrIGIQ94VOSjasSREFKCp9_fbvE2akmlUPgvuVJmt2esH3-gf=w1600-h1130-rw)

In version 4.0, unfortunately, I cannot get such a layout:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/3l5qWGU7GkGdWKfZNnwM-CsjO358Kik1hoQC-VnqFuhDEEJymG11qzmqgYRA0MVYGmkMZzO8iQuEETkiO3nb=w1600-h1130-rw)

Is it possible to restore free panel customization in the future versions of the new application?

Daniel
The sidebar and the lower panel can be hidden since then. Zoom only goes hide permanently. For the rest there is now a suggestion. Just give your vote for it.
https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/23938-locus-4-possibility-to-hide-all-buttons
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 06, 2021, 22:19:10
Hi guys, sorry for missing responses here on the forum. For a few days, I'm doing only support and minor bug fixes on our help desk. Once done, I'll finally return where I belong ... here :).
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 06, 2021, 23:54:27
Sync doubles up my geocache folders
@menion - same problem as I reported? "should not happen"?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: ost on April 07, 2021, 09:47:18
Is possible to display view direction as in Locus Pro  3.5 ?

^ Yes. Click repeatedly on the multifunctional centre and rotate button until the compass icon appears.

Thank you for reply. I have found this option, but I'm looking for something different: "Show view" functionality that shows your mobile orientation but without map rotation.
See pictures.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 07, 2021, 16:23:08
@Viajero Perdido
Prices $  > this is not perfectly in my control. One page display format returned from the Google internal service. The second, because I need to format it for months, return the price formatted by the internal Android system. Little unsolvable task  :-\

Weather service > ah thanks. We decided to put it into Silver tier even it const us something. Will be fixed in the next version.

is in the end in the Silver tier. Thanks, we will fix it on the web.

Magnifier > will be available in the next version as a button to functional panels.

Sync troubles > hmm, I would rather discuss it without spamming this whole topic. Should be possible to create this as a problem on the help desk? Thanks!

@john_percy
Silver|Silver in Map-screen content > thanks, fixed

@Saturo
tap on point > popup option ... ah thanks. There should be a minor difference between these settings. Fixed. Seems like a good adept for removal.

click on geocache waypoint should open the screen with the map and small "target" icon above map in the right corner. This center on the waypoint itself.

@Hennes
Thanks for Gold-based support  :)
1. exactly, once the sync is setup on your device, planned tracks are within 30 seconds transferred to your device. Gold feature.
2. zoom buttons may be enabled in app settings > Display.
3. generally it is not necessary to terminate Android apps, anyway double-click on the back button should do the work.
4. Hmm really? Should not happen. What exactly should I do to simulate this?
5. Also should not happen of course.
6. you may download own 1' data and replace with them 3'' data downloaded in Locus/data/srtm directory. 1' data are not yet available for download, but we will work on it this year probably.

Ah damn, once I wrote it I see, @tapio already answered. Thanks tapio :).

@bezel
The function panel at the top is not planned.
We never talked about the payment that will be "forever license". This is currently not planned, sorry. I'll not reveal some unfinished details about this.

@didado
Offline LoPoints will be another step in "LoPoints" work. We will try to integrate new online system into offline solution. Later this year.

@sbojuju
Only the owner of the private root needs to have Gold subs. Other invited members are fine with Free version of the app.

@Andrew Heard
I'm already confused about who had troubles and who not. Do you also have duplicate data? Seems we will have soon write some post about "Correct steps to start with syncing when you have old data on multiple devices".

@ost
this option is currently hidden in auxiliary settings in the app settings.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 08, 2021, 00:11:58
I'm already confused about who had troubles and who not. Do you also have duplicate data?
@ost
this option is currently hidden in auxiliary settings in the app settings.
@menion - at least @Viajero Perdido & myself have reported duplicate data. I discussed & sent you whole database many months ago. I have sorted mine, hopefully Viajero Perdido too, so is more a once-off issue than ongoing, but maybe some written guide for others is useful.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 08, 2021, 13:25:55
V4.0.1
post #3 > #149
furthermore FC
and yes it´s only with geocaches
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Diddi on April 08, 2021, 14:46:18
New beta:
I still have the Geocache listing crash like ballooni.

At least, faster unloading visible points is now really fast. :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 08, 2021, 17:00:10
@Menion I know it's not your job, but where can I write to report that your sites are a mess?
it seems that everything is badly connected, there is a main page, one for live tracking, one for the help desk, one for the forum, one for documentation.
There are at least 3 different types of graphics, many pages once opened have no reference to the main site.
With the arrival of the new version 4 it would have been the right time to do some cleaning.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 08, 2021, 20:22:01
@balloni55, @Diddi
really, still crashes? Damn!

@lor74cas
Mess, I know  :-\ . Live tracking will be integrated into web.locusmap.app, so this will be solved. Anyway, the rest ... it looks like we will need some guy skilled with PHP who will take care of it. We tried at unite design with existing webs some time ago at least a little bit ...

Because I'm no longer alone on these tasks, as I see in our Who we are (https://www.locusmap.app/about-us/) page (finally visible our faces, nice right?  ;D), it is best to job for @Jan Čapek :). Jan, any comment here?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 09, 2021, 00:09:52
Because I'm no longer alone on these tasks, as I see in our Who we are (https://www.locusmap.app/about-us/) page (finally visible our faces, nice right?
great CVs; perfect team
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 09, 2021, 15:07:38
I lost my Abo.

I'm Gold and tried to setup my second device.
Because Password Problem I reset it and setup a new one.
Then I logged in in both devices. Both shows Ad bec no Abo. I go to Locus store and pressed the head in the right upper corner. Then "Sync Product Abo...". It says "No Abo".
I return from Locus store and select "Go Premium". Then "choose Abo" . I select "Gold annual exclusive". A small window at the bottom opens (vom Playstore I guess). It says: "Error, you already have this Abo".
Exit this redults in an endless "Initialze"

Help please. How can I get my Abo back?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 09, 2021, 15:19:48
Locus Map 4.0.1.1, Beta version.

Download: Google Drive folder (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t1CYpIhHGZXjNBqOFUPQKTTvddj7VVCv?usp=sharing)

I'm still not sure what is the best method to provide a Beta version when we have now only one application. So for now, directly provided APK file is the best method.

Major info
- news probably won't be visible, because app has same internal ID as public version on the Google Play (to correctly work with subscription system)
- first test of the new screen for track detail. It is an early alpha, only partially tested, but it may be useful to get my point-of-view
- except for the centering & rotation button, content on the map screen may be hidden
- various fixes

@CabrioTourer42
Are you sure you are logged in Locus Map with exactly same account you used for the purchase? If so, write us please ticket on our help.locusmap.eu site with account details (email), thanks!
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 09, 2021, 16:13:23
Question:
what happen with installed
- PRO
and
- LOCUS MAP GOLD
if i install this BETA with apk???
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 09, 2021, 16:44:59
I find the solution with the provided version on Drive Super. I am this way for it.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 09, 2021, 18:01:24
Locus Map 4.0.1.1, Beta version.

Download: Google Drive folder (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t1CYpIhHGZXjNBqOFUPQKTTvddj7VVCv?usp=sharing)

I'm still not sure what is the best method to provide a Beta version when we have now only one application. So for now, directly provided APK file is the best method.

Major info
- news probably won't be visible, because app has same internal ID as public version on the Google Play (to correctly work with subscription system)
- first test of the new screen for track detail. It is an early alpha, only partially tested, but it may be useful to get my point-of-view
- except for the centering & rotation button, content on the map screen may be hidden
- various fixes

@CabrioTourer42
Are you sure you are logged in Locus Map with exactly same account you used for the purchase? If so, write us please ticket on our help.locusmap.eu site with account details (email), thanks!
App info present at start.
The APK updates the current version installed so from 4.0.1 I switched to beta 4.0.1.1 but the Google store notified for an update that switched the app back to 4.0.1 now I am back to beta. So we need to pay attention and ignore the update notifications of the store if we want the beta. But this is useful if you easily want to switch between versions, for me it's ok.
I like Trak info, but you need a more compact view, title for each group is useless, if I need something more I just touch the right arrow.
Error on sync  still present as posted this morning in the sync topic.

Inviato dal mio SM-A520F utilizzando Tapatalk

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 09, 2021, 18:36:51
@balloni55
Ah sorry, I should mention this clearly in the first post.
APK = Beta of Locus Map 4 (previously LM Free). So it simply installs over the existing Google Play version without any problem. You should revert this back by install 4.0.1 APK (not sure if this is available on the Google Drive).

@lor74cas
Google offers 4.0.1? This should not, both versions have the same identificator, weird.

EDIT: ah sync, I do not read this topic, sorry. Will look at it ...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 09, 2021, 19:20:18
providing apk via google drive folder is perfect :)

- after each start of BETA popup "testversion has terminated", in Appinfo date valid up to 1.4.2021 :-[

- #75 FC solved :)

- optional hide complete or partial bottom and map-screen content button,you will make many users happy 8)


Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 09, 2021, 19:53:00
I like the new track screen very well. Finally the height meters in the overview.

But I think the description belongs to the title. The description should be just under the title.

I would like to see the best interval (segments) at the bottom. Was in the old screen also on the right side.

To change the activity (MTB, hiking ...) I have to go down the pen and then click again. It would be easier I click on it.
The same for the folder too.

When I go over the track administration to the overview, the old screen comes. Currently, that's good, so you can better compare between old and new.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 09, 2021, 20:04:21
Google Play also offered the 4,01.

I think that's great. If something does not work properly with the beta, I can quickly return to the official version.

If this remains so you would have to point out the beta tester so you turn off automatic update for locus in the Play Store.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 09, 2021, 20:08:02
Hello! New version 4.0.1.1 crashes immediately and reproducably when I tap a track...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 09, 2021, 21:25:16
Edit: Happens only with some tracks, with others not. Strange... I can't spot the difference.

Problem is, as soon as I export a track causing a crash and then reimport it, it works. This means sending you a gpx of a track which is not working makes no sense, does it?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 09, 2021, 21:26:52
it is possible to add function "magnifier" as well as "zoom lock" to floating window and also on map-screen content, but both are only working on side/bottom panel.

if i add magnifier to a preset side panel, activate it and change to preset without magnifier > magnifier is furthermore visible and i can´t deselect it
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 10, 2021, 01:25:41
I find the solution with the provided version on Drive Super. I am this way for it.
+1 for me, is a "good enough" means for beta testing as long as all beta testers are aware of the method and Locus team don't have to spend too much time re-explaining. Write down the procedure in one sticky post like was done for LM4 beta testing.

LM4.0.1.1 gold - new track detail looks great; one suggestion/ reminder that I have made before:
tap track > tap bottom/LHS info button > trackpoint N > please support long-tap for << & >> buttons to quickly show details of 1st & last trackpoint.

At startup LM4 very briefly displays popup "test version expired"?

presets > Map-screen content visibility: currently Visible | Auto-hide - please add Hidden option - same as Track rec & Zoom buttons visibility.

BUG: settings > Controlling > Panels > Bottom panel > Full auto-hide - when I double tap main screen, the hamburger menu is not made visible. ie: double tap to hide menu, but next double tap doesn't restore visibility.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 10, 2021, 06:35:59
Hello again :)

Bug: "Share URL Link" of track doesn't work when automatic sync is disabled.

First comes a popup screen "To make this work, please sync your tracks...", but after doing so, Locus doesn't offer the option to share the link any more.

As soon as I enable automatic sync, sharing works again.

Concerns both 4.0.1 and 4.0.1.1 versions.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 10, 2021, 07:25:51
But I think the description belongs to the title. The description should be just under the title.

This seems logical at first glance, but the elevation diagram should be fully displayed after tapping a track, otherwise the swiping function on the diagram wouldn't make sense.

When the description would contain more than one line, e.g. a list of opening hours, there wouldn't be enough space any more for that.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 10, 2021, 07:54:32
Thanks for the feedbacks regards the new track screen. I won't comment this yet, but seems you are +- Ok with this change, fine :).

@balloni55
Placing magnifier and zoom lock as you wrote is of course doable. Any idea how to solve this? Btw. is it really a problem?

@Andrew Heard
- hidden "Map-screen content" is no option for me, sorry. This is the correct button that has to be always available. Many features are accessible only from this panel (and will come more probably).

@luce
Automatic sync has to be enabled for sharing a track over Url, it is necessary requirement. I'll check what you wrote, thanks.

Crash when opening tracks, hmm. I've of course did not notice such a problem. Will have to open more tracks probably :).

---

New version 4.0.2 released at the night. Should mainly fix troubles with the sync of tracks that some users suffer with.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Diddi on April 10, 2021, 07:59:50
Installed 4.0.2.

Seems to have solved the geocrashing bug  :)
Thanks and a happy weekend
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 10, 2021, 09:02:18
Sync ok now thank you

Inviato dal mio SM-A520F utilizzando Tapatalk

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 10, 2021, 09:07:37
Confirm sync working again.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 10, 2021, 09:47:04
Just installed LM4.0.2 Gold - after tapping Next button on the intro release notes it immediately crashed. And now each time there is an immediate crash on running the app ;-(
I deleted LM3Pro only a few hours ago.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 10, 2021, 10:52:53
@Menion, shameless reminder from the old LM4 thread... I was asking for an easy way to spot the distance from current position until a tapped point on track.
I already remind you now, because you will never have 14 days of vacation. hrhrhr 😜

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Distance along active route: very wanted task, I know. Doable with a new LM4 point screen. Remind me this once LM4 will be out and I'll return from at least a 14-day vacation  ;D, thanks.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 10, 2021, 10:57:31
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Any idea how to solve this? Btw. is it really a problem?
allow to add this two functions only to side/bottom panel and no it´s not a problem for me, but....

Just installed LM4.0.2 Gold - after tapping Next button on the intro release notes it immediately crashed.
me too. but only once.
but it close allways immediately if i select one of my presets. Other presets work

EDIT
in BETA i´ve added new "hide options" to this preset
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 10, 2021, 10:58:11
Hello Menion,
Can you make the link to new APK versions in the first post. Or always in the post office where you report about it.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 10, 2021, 11:01:52
Missed the beta. Android does not update Locus with the apk now. I have to uninstall first. But I'm afraid... 😔
I guess it is because store version is 4.0.2 already.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 10, 2021, 11:08:09
But I'm afraid... 😔
I guess it is because store version is 4.0.2 already.
exactly this happen to me..... and BETA is gone
so for now i´ve canceled autoupdate in Playstore and have to wait on next BETA apk
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Hennes on April 10, 2021, 11:50:09
I have a strange issue with the Gold app.

2 days ago I created a track using the web planner. Yesterday I was out for cycling and tried to sync my mobile phone and get that track. It didn't work. It took ages for the sync process even though I had excellent connection and besides that one track everything was up to date. After a while the sync function always said "congratulations" but that track never appeared in the app.

So I opened the browser on my phone and checked the web planner. The track was there. I downloaded the gpx file (export.gpx was the name) and tried to import it manually into locus. It was impossible. The app was frozen and crashed after a few seconds. I tried it several times. Always the same problem.
Then I opened komoot and imported the export.gpx and exported from komoot to my phone in order to manually import another file into locus. It didn't work. The app crashed as described before.
Furthermore all my tracks were gone. There was no nothing left.
I ignored locus for a while. After that my "old" tracks were there again. The sync still didn't work. I didn't get the latest track from the web planner.

Today I read that there is version 4.02.
I installed it and tried to sync again. It says congratulations but the track does not appear on my phone.

What is the problem and what to do?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 10, 2021, 11:58:23
So the core sync problem fixed, perfect, thanks guys!

Beta version
damn, this is really complicated task now  :). Andrew, I probably see your crash in auto reporting system. Seems two users already have this problem. Reason? You probably set the bottom panel to full auto-hide and 4.0.2 does not know this option = crash  :-\.

Solution? New Beta!!  ;D

Link in the first post or here: http://bit.ly/lmVersionsTest

@tapio
ah vacation. I've almost forget.
Is there anywhere existing topic on the help desk? Can find any. I would like to add it to my to-do list.

@Hennes
interesting problem. May you please do just a tiny modification on the web, like change any letter in the track name? Because it is possible that because of the bug in 4.0.1, the track is marked as correctly synced, but it isn't. Sorry for this.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Hennes on April 10, 2021, 12:13:35
@menion

I changed the track name (a bit), synced again and it worked. The track now is also on my phone.
Thanks for the help
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 10, 2021, 13:03:38
Point screen does not close anymore by wiping down.
This feature was still present in the beta (before 4.0.0) and in the RC2.
The new track screen will work.
In official version 4.0.2 it is not synonymous.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 10, 2021, 13:12:01
Thanks, I now created a helpdesk entry. https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/24119-distance-from-current-position-to-selected-point-on-track

Is there anywhere existing topic on the help desk? Can find any. I would like to add it to my to-do list.

BTW the beta says "Test version expired" at start. But it seems to be the full subscription related version.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 10, 2021, 13:17:43
The waypoints listing looks rather useless 😁
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 10, 2021, 16:10:13
New beta:

@Track details:
Great, loving it! Finally one-click track profile!

@Sync:
Minor observation: I had automatic sync turned off for a while (during beta phase and in my holidays, I didn't trust it enough). Now I turned it on on two devices. By chance, one of them had two new tracks. But they weren't synced after turning auto on on both. A later change however got synced immediately.
I think, turning on Auto-sync should trigger one background sync immediately.

@Shading:
Look at the screenshots: The map shading in level 12 is visibly more detailed than in level 13.
I think we talked about this a while ago, Menion, I remember it was intentional for performance reasons, but I thought I convinced you to change it, or didn't I? ;) For one thing, even with my slower outdoor phone (XCover Pro), it doesn't seem to slow down map painting much. And for another, it may be more detail, but the map area for which it is shown is also 1/4, so that balances itself out.
It's not only aestethic, you also lose valuable information, e.g. for slopes > 30° in winter. If you don't want to change the default, perhaps an Expert Setting? At least the user should be able to override performance-based defaults...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 10, 2021, 17:27:44
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 10, 2021, 18:57:28
Major sync error!

I'm afraid syncing is still not to be trusted. :( But I can tell you exactly what happened:
As mentioned above, I turned on auto-sync for my phone and tab, let's say device A and B. At the start, both were in sync. Now I edited two tracks on A. I waited a minute or so to let auto-sync do its magic. When I checked again, both tracks were deleted on B! The "Last Update" dialog showed "pullDelete: 2".
And now the kicker: On A, both tracks were still there, but the "Last Update" dialog showed "pushDelete: 2"!!!
Turned off auto-sync on A and B as quickly as possible and restarted Locus on A, just to be sure. And yeah, both tracks were still there.
A "Compute Plan" on A now showed "pullDelete: 2" and "pushDelete: 2". No idea what deletions it wants to push again, but I certainly don't want to pull those wrong deletions.
Anyway, I exported both tracks as GPX and did a manual sync. That worked, but coming back from sync dialog, Locus crashed. After restart, tracks were still there, "Last Update" showed "pullDelete: 2" (but "pushDelete: 0"). Well, tracks were displayed, but clicking them crashes Locus.

Now the next (seemingly better) surprise: Manual sync on B suddenly downloaded the tracks again! Another sync again downloaded both tracks, now finally "Compute plan" showed zeroes everywhere.
Back on A, the next sync also showed "pull: 2" and seemed to download two tracks.

But on both devices, tapping the tracks still crashed Locus reproducibly. So I had no choice but to finally delete the tracks and import the GPX (on A). That worked, tracks could be tapped again. Next sync to B, and finally everything is coming up roses: both tracks are there and clickable, on both devices.

Certainly I'm leaving off auto-sync for now and checking with "Compute Plan" before every sync. But you'll probably admit that that can't be the solution.
The main question obviously is: Why did an edit lead to "pushDelete"?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 10, 2021, 20:25:12
Concerning new track screen:

Would it be possible to lock the up/down movement of the track screen as soon as someone starts swiping the elevation diagram left/right?

Because when you start swiping and then accidentally move just a little too much up or down, the wiping functionality stops immediately and instead the track screen moves up or down.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 11, 2021, 02:29:06
Beta version
damn, this is really complicated task now  :). Andrew, I probably see your crash in auto reporting system. Seems two users already have this problem. Reason? You probably set the bottom panel to full auto-hide and 4.0.2 does not know this option = crash  :-\.
@Menion - damn me too - didn't see your suggestion in time - I uninstalled 4.0.2 & reinstalled 4.0.1.1. Oh well. 4.0.2.1 - fixed - thanks.

new suggestion in settings > Search: color scheme for search textbox is hard to see - black text on grey background - see attached

and when displayed is turned off > on, refresh returns to previous settings screen, so search is lost.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 11, 2021, 07:31:01
The vertical allignment of text (waypoints) in the multiple items menu has always been funny, see screenshot. Because of the symbol I guess.
If wanted I can created a helpdesk entry later.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 11, 2021, 07:37:37
As for the track screen AND if I am navigating the track... I wish for more nav related information, like

distance from current position until selection
distance to end/from start (cur. selection)
pos elev todo... to end/from start (cur. selection)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 11, 2021, 07:43:12
The right arrows are a bit confusing, feel like "next track" etc... has always been confusing IMO, aren't there better symbols?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 11, 2021, 07:49:04
When I switch to the trackpoint view via the bottom left icon, there should, at the same place, be a possibility to return back to track view. Currently, there is no way back.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 11, 2021, 07:52:21
In a tracks context, the possibility to create embedded waypoints is needed and expected here (by me at least).
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on April 11, 2021, 11:40:57
Is there another way to see its track on the screen than by turning on its recording?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 11, 2021, 13:52:01
In new track screen, when I tap the right arrow (1) to get to the full screen elevation diagram, then tap a position inside the diagram (2) and then tap "show selected position on map" (3), nothing happens.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 11, 2021, 15:17:49
When opening the new track screen, Locu crashes.
I click on the map on the track and then crashes Locu.
This only happens on certain tracks.
Similarities of tracks the crashes:
All have the same track style and activity MTB. A track with the same style but activity hiking does not crash.
Tracks with activity MTB and other styles do not crash.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 11, 2021, 15:21:41
The right arrows are a bit confusing, feel like "next track" etc... has always been confusing IMO, aren't there better symbols?
For me it is clear that there is even more information. Once click on it and then you know it too.
In the beginning I thought it is just the date. But the arrow is more intended for the information underneath.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 11, 2021, 15:37:27
In a tracks context, the possibility to create embedded waypoints is needed and expected here (by me at least).
I've also always been arguing for adding that to the Track Editor, but Menion doesn't seem to believe in adding waypoints to tracks once they finished recording ;)
Would be happy to be wrong, though... :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 11, 2021, 17:19:52
In a tracks context, the possibility to create embedded waypoints is needed and expected here (by me at least).
I've also always been arguing for adding that to the Track Editor, but Menion doesn't seem to believe in adding waypoints to tracks once they finished recording ;)
Would be happy to be wrong, though... :)
Do I understand correctly. You want to make a waypoint to a track point. I do not desert for what. Do you have an example?

But what I think about the track point. I create many track points (per language). To maintain OSM later. After uploading, I delete them all again. But I always have to select and delete each one individually (delete also confirm). Please make all selectable.

The problem is, I often switched the point notification and there you can not deselect the track points. This is already a problem when creating with switched point notification. Tasker creates the point per language and Locus recognizes the point immediately and says he is within reach.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 11, 2021, 20:40:05
@freischneider
You wrote that the point screen does not close when swiping down? Can't confirm. Anyone same problem? Btw. does it happen for the screen above the map? Because when you tap on the point in the list of points, the full-screen window is visible and this can't be removed by this gesture.

Crash when tapping a track: log should be really useful here, thanks.

Improvements in the list of waypoints is planned. As you may notice, I firstly try to make perfect the first initial screen. All screens with details are only copies of the old tabs (chart, waypoints, laps). Once the first page will be perfect, we may discuss other sub-pages.

@tapio
thanks. You have a privilege and I've added this task to around top 20 tasks I want to focus on for now ;).

Waypoint list: useless? Why? Maybe you start to use different icons for track waypoints  ;)

Alignment of text: I see only a problem with the "walking icon". What else is there a problem in this case of very long texts? And suggestions on how to do it better?

"Right arrows": I never had a problem with them, but if you have better idea for an icon with "Show me more", give it to me :)

Back from trackpoint: as I wrote to slarti76 below. You do not see the "right arrow" icon in the trackpoint detail right next to the track?

@slarti76
Trigger sync when turning auto-sync on: good point, thanks

Track screen
- selectable title? Eh, ble. Just open "edit" when you need to copy it.
- description below the title is currently not ideal. What you need most at the top is definitely a chart. I do not consider one small swipe up to reveal description as a problem.
- customization is the last step, as usually
- crossing lines on the chart. Nice idea. Not sure if doable, I'll look at it
- back from the trackpoint: there already is a visible panel with parent track and the right arrow button takes you back

Sync problem
I've stoped manual sync, edited the name of the single track, and computed the plan. Result: 1 "push".
So better steps to reproduce your problem are needed here, sorry.

@luce
Working slide up/down when working with the chart: I've noticed this as well. it will be an interesting problem.

Full-screen chart: ah, thanks. I would like to convert this old chart system to the new one (used on the first new track screen page). Uff, big task ...

@Andrew Heard
- dark search text in settings > I know. Some system problem I'm still unable to solve :/.
- return to the root of settings after screen on/off. This is on the second side my own problem that requires a more complicated solution and I still do not consider this as a big problem, so ... thanks for understanding.

@sbouju
May you please write your question in detail? Unfortunately, it's not clear at least to me, thanks.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on April 11, 2021, 20:57:47
@sbouju
May you please write your question in detail? Unfortunately, it's not clear at least to me, thanks.
I can try...
When I move, I can see on the map where I am (=where the cursor is), but I see nothing where I was just before... Is a kind of "snail trail" available without launching the record the track recording (where this snail trail is, in this case...)?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 11, 2021, 21:17:45
In a tracks context, the possibility to create embedded waypoints is needed and expected here (by me at least).
I've also always been arguing for adding that to the Track Editor, but Menion doesn't seem to believe in adding waypoints to tracks once they finished recording ;)
Would be happy to be wrong, though... :)
Do I understand correctly. You want to make a waypoint to a track point. I do not desert for what. Do you have an example?
Well, "Waypoints" tab is part of all tracks. I use them all the time to mark special points and events during a recording. Same could be "general" POIs like "Restaurant", but some like "took off crampons here" are specific to the track. So waypoints make a lot of sense. And sometimes you forget them during recording, but you would like to add them later. While you can do that in the waypoint tab, they now don't have a timestamp anymore, which in cases like my example above are of interest. So adding a waypoint directly to a (timestamped) trackpoint makes a lot of sense. And from reading the threads here, I'm not the only one wishing for this...

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But what I think about the track point. I create many track points (per language). To maintain OSM later. After uploading, I delete them all again. But I always have to select and delete each one individually (delete also confirm). Please make all selectable.
Agreed.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 11, 2021, 21:24:36
@slarti76
Track screen
- selectable title? Eh, ble. Just open "edit" when you need to copy it.
Yeah, OK. Copying (potentially longish) description was much more important, thx for that.

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- description below the title is currently not ideal. What you need most at the top is definitely a chart. I do not consider one small swipe up to reveal description as a problem.
See your point. Still, please consider the "2 lines, can be expanded with extra click". Description could be very long and then the pull-up screen would also be very long here.

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- customization is the last step, as usually
Sure thing, take your time. Was just writing down everything that came to mind about the new screen.

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- back from the trackpoint: there already is a visible panel with parent track and the right arrow button takes you back
Ok, but right now it takes you to the "old" screen. If the plan is to replace that with the new pull-up screen, then all fine. Not sure what the plan about the old screen is right now...

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Sync problem
I've stoped manual sync, edited the name of the single track, and computed the plan. Result: 1 "push".
So better steps to reproduce your problem are needed here, sorry.
Well, to be more precise: I edited the tracks with the route planner, so "Track menu > Route planner > (editing) > Save". Perhaps there is an in-between state when the route planner saves where the tracks is removed from the database?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 11, 2021, 21:36:25
I get an error code 11361. "Please update your Google Play App" when calling "Abonnement". There is no update available.
Happens on a Lenovo Tablet Android 7.1.1
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 11, 2021, 23:11:22
Waypoint discussion: I like to add embedded  wp with information to a planned track, like "50% of track", or "steep hill soon". Simetimes I add embedded wp post tour. Use embedded wp's much more than "points" in the db, because most is track related.

@Menion

Waypoint list: well at least with many same symbols they are useless. Not more info than "there are waypoints".

Alignment of text: Yes, there's always this misalignment at the symbol. No big deal though.

"Right arrows": ugh,not a designer, will think about. It's not a problem but my guts say there's a better symbol.

Back from trackpoint: I mean we cannot go back from new trackpoint screen to new track screen. Fore and back...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 12, 2021, 06:52:10
"Right arrows": ugh,not a designer, will think about. It's not a problem but my guts say there's a better symbol.
What about three points in a box (button) - better shows we're changing to a new screen. Perhaps keep the arrow: "...>"

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Back from trackpoint: I mean we cannot go back from new trackpoint screen to new track screen. Fore and back...
My point precisely ;) Would prefer consistency here...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 12, 2021, 08:28:31
@sbojuju
Hmm, this is a completely new feature :). I'm quite sure, that such an idea was already on our help desk, just can't find it now.

@slarti76
Just a few notes to make things clear. The old tracks screen in LM4 should be completely replaced by the new one. Same as with points.

Edited track with route planner: ah, then it is a completely new story :). If you replace a track like this, then the app firstly saves a new track and if all went well, it deletes the old track. You have anyway a good point here because later when there will be some public references on such track, it may be lost. I'll look at it.

@CabrioTourer42
I do not know how to help here. This error is reported by the Google Play app and it exactly says "Billing system is unavailable". Maybe device restart and clearing of the Google Play cache may help here?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 12, 2021, 09:15:19
@sbouju
May you please write your question in detail? Unfortunately, it's not clear at least to me, thanks.
I can try...
When I move, I can see on the map where I am (=where the cursor is), but I see nothing where I was just before... Is a kind of "snail trail" available without launching the record the track recording (where this snail trail is, in this case...)?
"Hansel takes a slice of bread and leaves a trail of bread crumbs for them to follow home. However, after they are once again abandoned, they find that the birds have eaten the crumbs and they are lost in the woods"  With locus they wouldn't get lost  ;D
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 12, 2021, 09:45:28

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- description below the title is currently not ideal. What you need most at the top is definitely a chart. I do not consider one small swipe up to reveal description as a problem.
See your point. Still, please consider the "2 lines, can be expanded with extra click". Description could be very long and then the pull-up screen would also be very long here.


Yes 2 lines would be very helpful.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 12, 2021, 11:16:25
The point was opened by the card. Then I try to wipe down. Close by wiping stops down. I have to close the arrow or over the icon on the map. But it already went.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17YBoVWtSukXiuCFdPXa2Lz2V4o9tPhqX/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 12, 2021, 11:18:26
Here is the Bug Report. Open new track screen. As described above.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17oPyrDglLGFySs2mDauWXXp8gpu289F_/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 12, 2021, 17:02:46
Router planner, on enter: unfinished plan gets reloaded. But the option "retain unsaved plan" is and has always been off.
This happens sometimes, not always. Anyone else?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 12, 2021, 21:00:23
since puplish i have had no problems :)
i didnt know what happen, but since this evening Locus Map V4.0.2.1 FC always directly after start :-[
Restart of device didn´t help
Log just send
Pro work  :)

EDIT:
after i run apk installation again locus work for now ??!!

EDIT2:
this morning once again FC :o
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 13, 2021, 14:44:11
@slarti76, @freischneider
I've reduced the visible length of description for tracks and also for the points. So in the next version ...

@0709
nice tip for @sbouju!

@freischneider
Problem with the point > but you open here full-screen point window. Probably because you set this in the Settings > Points & tracks.

@balloni55
thanks for the log, but I still see there an issue with the set "bottom panel hiding". Also in the log is visible you have version 4.0.2 (so from the Google Play) and not 4.0.2.1. Please check it.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 13, 2021, 15:57:17
Quote
Also in the log is visible you have version 4.0.2 (so from the Google Play) and not 4.0.2.1. Please check it
yes, if locus has crached at start, i see V4.0.2 in device/settings/apps/LocusMap
just now i run oncemore update V4.0.2.1
Locus Map work as expected, for the moment.....how long ????
>and version V4.0.2.1is visible also in device settings
now we wait and see, i will report

can the problem be related to this date?

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 13, 2021, 18:11:41
@freischneider
Problem with the point > but you open here full-screen point window. Probably because you set this in the Settings > Points & tracks.
All right. I thought it is a small screen because I saw a piece of the map above. At that time I was probably open from the list. Since the small screen is always opened.
But the difference of full screen to the small screen is very low. I will always use the small screen. Is intuitive and fluid to use for me.
thanks
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 13, 2021, 18:30:39
Beta 4.0.21 version hard crash - but not reproduced yet:

- I created a track with the Route planner with only shaping points
- Saved it
- Opened it again, moved some points
- Saved again.

It was visible on the map. When clicking on it, Locus instantly crashed, Did not manage to open the new track screen. Locus crashed any time I clicked on this track.
Unfortunately I made a mistake and didn't export it, now it is deleted.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 13, 2021, 21:04:57
Beta 4.0.21 version hard crash - but not reproduced yet:

- I created a track with the Route planner with only shaping points
- Saved it
- Opened it again, moved some points
- Saved again.

It was visible on the map. When clicking on it, Locus instantly crashed, Did not manage to open the new track screen. Locus crashed any time I clicked on this track.
Unfortunately I made a mistake and didn't export it, now it is deleted.
That's basically the same that happened to me, just with the addition of the sync problem (which obviously doesn't apply to you, as you made a new track). With me, the track edited with Route Planer also made Locus crash on click.
Menion said he's gonna have a look at it, so fingers crossed he can reproduce...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 14, 2021, 08:13:38
Same happened to me, crash reproducable:
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AredTfs4J1f5nmpha-tWNEdtUYoK
After exporting this problematic track as gpx and then reimporting it, Locus doesn't crash any more when tapping it.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 14, 2021, 09:06:54
Same happened to me, crash reproducable:
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AredTfs4J1f5nmpha-tWNEdtUYoK
After exporting this problematic track as gpx and then reimporting it, Locus doesn't crash any more when tapping it.
I also had the crash when clicking a track. I have provided a bug report below.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 14, 2021, 10:53:05
Thanks guys. I've probably found the error. Will try to publish a new version today (in the worst case tomorrow).
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 14, 2021, 15:44:42
New Beta version 4.0.2.2 just uploaded to Google Drive.

Important info:
For a few weeks, I test automatic reports of crashes to "bugsnag" service. Seems that after many years and many services I tried, this one finally works as expected. And the useful part for you: "user ID" visible in the "about app" page in the app since 4.0.2.2, should finally be used to search for crashes on your device. So let's give it a try and if the app crashes, just send me this ID instead of creating bug reports by the quite complicated system as before. Thanks!
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 14, 2021, 16:50:52
Crashes: solved

If I have a long track name, it is not completely displayed.
For a small arrow in the end is too little space.
Possible solution:
If the place is not enough. Click on name and a window goes on with the whole name. (Possibly only with long names)
Someone wrote, he wants to copy names. You could do that in this window.

Edit: There is room for the small arrow on name. In the 2nd line a letter (or number) less and after the 3 points the arrow. I just noticed at the 2nd look.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Christian on April 14, 2021, 17:17:26
New Beta version 4.0.2.2 just uploaded to Google Drive.

Important info:
For a few weeks, I test automatic reports of crashes to "bugsnag" service. Seems that after many years and many services I tried, this one finally works as expected. And the useful part for you: "user ID" visible in the "about app" page in the app since 4.0.2.2, should finally be used to search for crashes on your device. So let's give it a try and if the app crashes, just send me this ID instead of creating bug reports by the quite complicated system as before. Thanks!
That this happens on my old days *sigh

btw: when will the stable release of the Platinum Eternal Edition be published?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 14, 2021, 17:25:12
Hello!
Nice thing the new crash reporting system!
Unfortunately, the crash issue is not solved on my mobile with version 4.0.2.2... ID: 3b678e0421.
Best, Lucas
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 14, 2021, 17:25:46
Trying out new beta, unfortunately track description is not selectable/copyable anymore.  :'( Any reason why this was removed?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 14, 2021, 20:43:40
Ok, more tests with new beta.
Good news first: Turning on auto-sync now leads to initial sync. Thx

But my big sync problem and the crash-when-clicking-on-track isn't resolved. In fact, I can reproduce the sync problem now:
Turn on auto-sync, take a track (created with the route planner), sync it, now edit the track (on A) with the route planner, save (overwrite), wait. After auto-sync is through on both devices, the track will be gone on B. Reproducible. On A, the "Last Update" shows "pushDelete: 1", no "push".

Now the funny thing: this time, further manual syncs on both devices didn't lead to the track being deleted on A, instead at some point the track actually appeared on B! Still, not trustworthy.
Also, I could now click on the track on both devices without crash.

But... Now I wanted to try it with Track Editor instead of Route Planner. Again, edited on A, clicked the track - crash. Synced to B, clicked the track on B - crash. So after editing with Track Editor, sync seems to work, but track detail popup crashes Locus again.

Hope explanation is detailed enough.

Oh, and for the crashes: My User ID is 6880a91b7.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 15, 2021, 01:09:50
New Beta version 4.0.2.2 just uploaded to Google Drive.
I test automatic reports of crashes to "bugsnag" service
@Menion - nice system - does Locus device need to have Wifi or mobile data enabled at the precise time of any crash or the crash data cached then possible to upload later when comms are available?

"update layout of the points screen" - would be nice if panel (and track detail) can be swiped right to hide, consistent with other new panels eg Map-screen content, when a tablet is used in landscape mode
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 15, 2021, 09:00:42
Some thoughts on trackpoint/track view.

1. Stay in view... When I am in new trackpoint screen and tap the track at some position, I wish it would stay in trackpoint screen and display the selected point.
2. Intuitive toggle button needed, toggle between track screen/trackpoint screen.
3. In trackpoint screen I think there's a lot wasted space. The from start/to end information is important, but not initially visible. I hope for some user config/reorder possibility.
If we can intuitively toggle, there may be no need for the track/folder info in the trackpoint screen.
4.In Trackpoint screen, the statistics section with "To start/to end". If navigating a route, there would be the right place to display track distance and todo elev, relative from current position.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 15, 2021, 10:24:34
+1, especially for No 4
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 15, 2021, 10:38:06
@freischneider
Hmm long title is not usual so I do not want to complicate it here. I've improved the track (and also point) metadata edit screen. So now, the long title will be clearly visible there. There you may also copy&paste it.

@Christian
"Platinum Eternal Edition"?  :) .. you may just publish of Locus Map 4 version? Is there any serious problem in current public version?

@luce
hey, ID works, perfect!! And issue fixed. So it will need another version ... thanks.

@slarti76
description: change is a side-effect of the change I made. In case, description will be longer than on 5 lines, it will be cut just to these five lines and the button "more" appears. It has also the big benefit that description in the main view is a simple text field. But with the "more" button, a big internal web browser opens! So in case, you for example copy&paste some description on the web, it will be perfectly working here together with styling, images etc. Same for points now!

And the copy of the description: thanks, fixed for points & tracks.

---

Problems in the second post. Very nice description, thank you very much!
Interesting is that exactly the same steps are done on my device display always on A device "push: 1, pushDelete: 1", which is expected for now. On the second device then "pull: 1, pullDelete: 1". Interesting.
I'll try to fix this now and making edits in the Route planner really as "update" of existing and not delete old and creating new. We will see if it helps.

The crash that appears after edit in the editor is the same as the crash that @luce reported. It Will be fixed, thanks.

@Andrew Heard
crash info is stored in the app and send when app starts next time.

Swiping point/track panel > you mean on the tablets where is attached to the right side right? I know I know ... tablets are still not well supported ...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 15, 2021, 20:35:07
Hello menion
creating WPTs per projection, one issue and one whish ;)
issue:
open a geocache
> create a projected WPT from listing coords > WPT01 :)
> create a projected WPT from WPT01 >WPT02 :)
> create a projected WPT from WPT02 > normal coord window opens ??? not  the projection window to insert my values.

wish:
please display allways meters (not rounded km), or km with 3 decimal places.
for now it is not possible to notice wrong entries
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 16, 2021, 00:13:21
crash info is stored in the app and send when app starts next time.
nice

Swiping point/track panel > you mean on the tablets where is attached to the right side right?
yes/ no worries/ my report was just in case you weren't already aware
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 16, 2021, 21:55:07
Hi guys,
new version MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.3_1007_beta ready for weekend testing.

@balloni55
I'll look at it next week and let you know.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 16, 2021, 23:26:53
Confirm crash problem resolved,
thank you Jiří!
Have a nice weekend,
Best, Lucas
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 17, 2021, 05:28:52
tested with LM4.0.2.3GOLD (but probably not directly related): Route planner: Generate Round Trip > error: "Place a point on the map to define the start of your trip"? You can see from 2nd screen cap I already have point 1 (start of trip) and point 2 on the map, so what is the message trying to say?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 17, 2021, 05:35:15
tested with LM4.0.2.3GOLD (again probably not directly related): Navigation - a test route has many roads & navigation points, using vector LoMap. Why are all 4 streets in the Itinerary "unknown" (see screen cap)? With LM3 I assumed this was related to BRouter, but I recently saw another screen cap, maybe from 0709, that showed real street names, so it must be possible. I can long-tap each road on the map screen & the name is correctly displayed, so the information is definitely there for LM4 to display in the itinerary. Am looking forward to a proper itinerary after all these years!!
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 17, 2021, 06:40:07
@Andrew Heard
Problem is that you have more than one point on the map. Reduce it to 0 or 1 and it will work.

Street names, if I remember correctly, they are visible when computed over GraphHopper. I've already tried to use offline address search, but it seems to be too slow on this task for now. But yes, agree, this is something we should look at it finally  :-\
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 17, 2021, 15:30:27
Hi guys,
new version MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.3_1007_beta ready for weekend testing.
Well, played around with the syncing, back and forth, Route Planner, Track Editor - couldn't find any wrong behaviour whatsoever!  ;D ;D ;D
Thx a lot, happy you could squash this bug!

Just one tiny thing about auto-sync again: Somehow my tablet doesn't always notice there were changes. Two situations:
No idea what could be different. Only thing that comes to mind: My tablet is always in flight mode (no SIM), but with WiFi active (I know, it probably makes no difference, just superstitution that might save some battery). So if auto-sync doesn't run when flight mode is on, not looking at the WiFi state, that might explain it.

But apart from that, I'm happy now  :)

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 17, 2021, 16:56:17
Two more things:

Switch track and point details
I like that you can now switch back and forth, but it's not intuitive. It would be best to have the button switch from point to track in the lower left. I see the problem that then the point buttons are different for trackpoints and POIs. But for me, that would be less important.

Deleting in Track Editor
I still have the problem that in Track Editor, after deleting several single points or sections, at some point the track disappears and I have to leave/re-enter Track Editor.
Menion, sorry I always have to bring this up ;)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 17, 2021, 23:59:43
Problem is that you have more than one point on the map. Reduce it to 0 or 1 and it will work.
@menion - thanks for reply, but now I am more confused - how can a route be generated (completed) if there is only 0 or 1 points in existing route? My route example had 2 points so far. I am just curious/ testing as I have no real use-case, but if the function is there it should be more intuitive so reduce the Locus team support load.

Street names, if I remember correctly, they are visible when computed over GraphHopper
ahh - GraphHopper - ok, But now BRouter/ LoRouter is the default navigation source, lots of users will have the same confusion & question. I wait in hope. Should I start a help topic for voting?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 18, 2021, 00:03:30
Well, played around with the syncing, back and forth, Route Planner, Track Editor - couldn't find any wrong behaviour whatsoever!  ;D ;D ;D
the Cloud Sync doco should be improved (written) asap so users like in this topic https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7334.msg63206#msg63206 & https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/24280-cant-save-a-planned-route-to-library-on-web-planner don't get confused/ better understand how it operates/ don't have an unnecessary bad experience/ don't loose data or have duplicated data ==> give undeserved reviews. Bad ratings don't help anyone.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 18, 2021, 01:41:43
now I am more confused - how can a route be generated (completed) if there is only 0 or 1 points in existing route?
I had the same confusion, with nothing more than an error message to guide me.  I assumed (like others?) that you use that function after you've drawn the route to your destination, then it [does something magical] to get you back.

No, that's not the intent, you eventually figure out.  May I propose, "Suggest round trip"?

In areas with few roads/trails, sometimes 15km turns into 80+.  Is 15 the one-way or round-trip?  Who knows?  But often, I get far more distance than I expected.  Though in one experiment, it showed much wisdom in choosing a route, only lightly longer than requested, to a major viewpoint and back.  :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 18, 2021, 02:28:58
I had the same confusion, with nothing more than an error message to guide me.  I assumed (like others?) that you use that function after you've drawn the route to your destination, then it [does something magical] to get you back.

No, that's not the intent, you eventually figure out.  May I propose, "Suggest round trip"?
@Viajero Perdido - thanks so much - finally after a year I understand how this feature works - I had asked Menion a year+ ago when feature first implemented but never understood why it always failed.

"Suggest round trip" - yes better than "generate". How about "Suggest new round trip" to emphasize it really is a complete new route with just an optional starting point added by the user?

So to follow-up:
Otherwise it looks like a very nice feature!
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 18, 2021, 03:25:16
"Suggest round trip" - yes, slightly better & shorter text too.

In English, "Route Dreamer" might also work, as in, dream up a plan.  :)

Planner for when you know where you're going,
Dreamer when you're open to ideas..

And if I may offer an idea for an enhancement...  Route Dreamer sometimes routes me right out the other side of the local wilderness area, suggesting I add kilometers on country roads before returning to the green area and finally returning to the start point.  In bike- or walk mode, I'd much rather spend time inside the green area than on a dusty farm road.  Just a wild idea; simple matter of programming (SMOP), right?   ::)

Or...  "Route Suggester".  Sounds a bit quirky, in a good way.  Since you already have "Offlinizer", it would fit right in.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: 0709 on April 18, 2021, 18:56:27
Find inspiration here. Has streetname info and multiple route select.
https://www.plotaroute.com/makemearoute
Registration is free and you already get 3 free test attempts.
Download as gpx track + waypoints > Select Directions. (Locus compatible)
https://www.plotaroute.com/makemearoute

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Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 18, 2021, 19:24:47
Two more things:

Switch track and point details
I like that you can now switch back and forth, but it's not intuitive. It would be best to have the button switch from point to track in the lower left.

Yes, an intuitive toggle needed. I cannot even find the way back from point screen to frack screen, it seems well hidden! v 1007 here.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 19, 2021, 15:59:17
@balloni55
#160: fixed & improved, thanks

@Andrew Heard
hmm, maybe after five years > LoRouter based routes will have set Street name for navigation points!

There is no support regards this "Round trip" feature yet :). 0 points > app will use current map center, 1 point > use this. it then generates a round trip in direction and closes to the defined total distance. Try it, it is simple ;).

Anyway thanks for the nice suggestions in the following post. I'll look at it. I also hope, that Radim finds some time and creates a little more robust in-house solution based on LoRouter that should support what I consider more important - a round trip over at least two (or more) points.

Documentation: don't blame me, it is a task for Michal! And as he does not know what to do sooner (80% of time spent on the help desk), it will take some time ... anyway big "FAQ" blog post will be published this week.

@slarti76
thanks for the tests!
Notification about sync, so-called "push notifications" are currently not completely in our control. It is a service from Google that uses "Google Play services" installed in every Google-supported device. So I really hoped, there won't be any troubles to fix ... hmm, your tablet ...

I'll try to play with more devices at once a little later. Currently, I test mainly web & one device.

Switch track <> trackpoints - I'll think about it.

Track editor > added to "Todo"

@Viajero Perdido
"Round trip" feature is again something not complete in our control. It is a feature that offers GraphHopper service and it simply allows from a single defined point, azimuth and expected distance, "generate/suggest" a "round trip", nothing more.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 20, 2021, 08:03:45
ROUND TRIP:
I used to play with the "round trip" feature, but after the first wow effect I decided it was absolutely useless. Who would ever rely on a random rotation function around a point?
It is not possible to define preferences of any kind, be they historical, naturalistic or cultural, so rather than relying on a random function my choice at a crossroads would be that of the road I like best, at least it would be based on my choices.
Unless real utility can be found for this feature, integrating it with the options I wrote above (and all the complications of the case), it should be removed, useful and solid functionality better than things like this that do nothing but generate doubts in users.
Those who use a GPS and map device usually want to rely on certainties, not on a roll of the dice.
But this is just my thought, maybe someone else found it useful, but for now I haven't seen a single post.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 20, 2021, 08:56:56
ROUND TRIP:
I used to play with the "round trip" feature, but after the first wow effect I decided it was absolutely useless. Who would ever rely on a random rotation function around a point?
It is not possible to define preferences of any kind, be they historical, naturalistic or cultural, so rather than relying on a random function my choice at a crossroads would be that of the road I like best, at least it would be based on my choices.
Unless real utility can be found for this feature, integrating it with the options I wrote above (and all the complications of the case), it should be removed, useful and solid functionality better than things like this that do nothing but generate doubts in users.
Those who use a GPS and map device usually want to rely on certainties, not on a roll of the dice.
But this is just my thought, maybe someone else found it useful, but for now I haven't seen a single post.
There are people for whom this function is good. It's people who don't know what they want. Or people who travel a lot and have been everywhere in the region. And therefore no longer know where to go. It is important for them to just see something new. These people love the function.
There are more and more people like that in Europe.
Personally, I always look for a tour with Outdooractive, Komoot, etc. I then use this as a template and plan my tour based on personal references.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 20, 2021, 09:47:14
Find inspiration here. Has streetname info and multiple route select.
https://www.plotaroute.com/makemearoute
Registration is free and you already get 3 free test attempts.
Download as gpx track + waypoints > Select Directions. (Locus compatible)
https://www.plotaroute.com/makemearoute

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Thank you for this link!
I like the way they calculate the ETA, it's something Locus (app and web) needs to improve.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 20, 2021, 10:54:47
I like the way they calculate the ETA, it's something Locus (app and web) needs to improve.
I'm not sure what they're doing there, but nobody, really nobody who regularly hikes or bikes would think in this way. The usual way to think is "300m up/hour, 500m down/hour", something like that. I don't know how many meters I have to go forward while going 1m up? And then measure this with 2 decimal places (1m up is 7.92m forward)???
Maybe a nice UI, but please no such nonsense in Locus. Perhaps you can calculate well with these inputs, but your result will be as bad as your input is.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 20, 2021, 11:44:49
I like the way they calculate the ETA, it's something Locus (app and web) needs to improve.
I'm not sure what they're doing there, but nobody, really nobody who regularly hikes or bikes would think in this way. The usual way to think is "300m up/hour, 500m down/hour", something like that. I don't know how many meters I have to go forward while going 1m up? And then measure this with 2 decimal places (1m up is 7.92m forward)???
Maybe a nice UI, but please no such nonsense in Locus. Perhaps you can calculate well with these inputs, but your result will be as bad as your input is.
It is certainly a calculation method that not everyone knows, but this does not mean that it should be considered incorrect or unusable. I find it valid and I use it too albeit in a much more crude way with good results.
D distance measured in km (10 km)
A positive gain in meters (100 meters)
V equivalent flat distance in km
P pace on flat (5.30 min@km)
T estimated time
V = D + A / 100 = 10 + 100/100 = 11
T = V / P = 11 * 5.5 = 60.5 = 1h 0m 30sec
The method used on the site is much more refined, I compared it to my routes and times that I know and I find it very precise, it was enough for me to just set the speed on the flat and I already got an estimate time that differs from real time by 5 min over 1h 30min
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 20, 2021, 12:21:10
Well there are various even "official" formula for eta calculation. I remember there is one used officially in Switzerland for eta shown on signs at the hiking routes.
Maybe Locus should allow to pick from some formulas, and allow to enter user defined values for some variables.

Bug?
I think the GPX export files are not as they should be. They do not contain speed. I know they don't have to, but it's existing at recording time, useful and Locus says it includes speed, see attachment.
E. g. useful when doing post analysis and not having to calculate speed.

GPX 1.1 trackpoint from Locus:
Quote
<trkpt lat="51.4403786" lon="8.1434328">
   <ele>318.73</ele>
   <time>2021-04-18T06:01:19.797Z</time>
   <hdop>6.54</hdop>
   <extensions>
      <gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
         <gpxtpx:course>44.764065</gpxtpx:course>
      </gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
   </extensions>
</trkpt>

GPX1.0 trackpoint equivalent from Locus:
Quote
<trkpt lat="51.4403786" lon="8.1434328">
   <ele>318.73</ele>
   <time>2021-04-18T06:01:19.797Z</time>
   <course>44.764</course>
   <hdop>6.54</hdop>
</trkpt>
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 21, 2021, 00:53:24
Hi.  I'm having some trouble with auto-download of LoRouter Offline data in beta 4.0.2.3 with Gold.
I guess this belongs here, since I'm using the beta.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 21, 2021, 08:52:11
@lor74cas
I use it quite a lot to be true. In areas I know, it is nice to simply let the app decide where to go without the need to think too much about it. Anyway, the current system is based on the GraphHopper online service and this does not have an idea about user preferences. This may be improved later in our own solution, but it will really take some time.

Anyway good point > I do not have exact numbers, how much is this feature really used.

@tapio
Speed is included only in case, it is measured by any sensor. In case, it is measured by GPS or mainly computed from coordinates, it is not (and should not) be included.

@Viajero Perdido
weird problem with auto-update. Are you using automatic backup? Does it work? It uses the same system.
And change leaves at 7 days > you click on for example 4 days,, but it still remains in the UI visible as 7 days? Weird.
Anyway 7 days or 8 days, timing is not precise, so a day is delay is not a big problem, but should not happen.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 21, 2021, 09:48:26
ROUND TRIP:
Unless real utility can be found for this feature, integrating it with the options I wrote above (and all the complications of the case), it should be removed, useful and solid functionality better than things like this that do nothing but generate doubts in users.
@lor74cas I disagree on this aspect - although I doubt I'd use it much, I don't see that as a reason to remove it. In my limited desktop testing the results were interesting and within expectations.

The "generate" icon on the LHS (see screen cap) links to/ selects, the Locus navigation profile, so I assume this provides some degree of configuration to meet the desire of the user?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 21, 2021, 11:51:40
While I record a track, and tap on it on the map, nothing happens. Can't remember: is it intended?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 21, 2021, 15:02:31
I added a kml file to test this https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7340.msg63239#msg63239
But after testing the hide button did not work, not in the map items folder and not in the map items menu, all buttons switched to "hide" but the tiles were still there. I tried to zoom in and out, nothing to do, closed Locus and reopened it worked.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 21, 2021, 17:13:27
I open a route in the track administration. Then I say in the route planner open. After that I have to search the route on the map. The route planner is not centered in the route range.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 21, 2021, 18:58:46
Maybe I shouldn't have set up LM4 by restoring settings from Pro?

Looks like I do have Auto Backup enabled (via the restored settings; I haven't touched this), slider says Enabled, every 3 days, 5 files, cloud box unchecked, "No path defined".  But folder Locus/backup/auto contains only older files with "Locus_Map_Pro" in the name, weeks old (before I stopped using Pro).  In other words, auto backup doesn't seem to be working either.

My router files are now 9 days old vs the 7 days setting which I can't change.  And yes, immediately after I change the setting, to anything, there's a beta popup (always "Pref KEY_I_BRH_AUTO_UPDATE_FREQUENCY3, setValue"), after which it then always shows "7 days" in red in the LoRouter Offline dialog.

Maybe there's some invisible cruft in my settings?  Those settings have a long history, and sometimes I've had to fix up invalid folders in red when jumping devices.  But not recently, and not (I don't think) when migrating Pro to LM4.  My "Default directories" dialog in both is clean, all default.

I'll turn on logging and see if anything jumps out. (No.)

Update: my tablet (same beta version) has the same problem, except it's stuck on "month".  I remember I'd chosen "month" for the tablet and "7 days" for the phone earlier, and now can't change that setting on either.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 21, 2021, 20:33:25
Hi.  I'm having some trouble with auto-download of LoRouter Offline data in beta 4.0.2.3 with Gold.
  • I noticed the files in Locus/router/segments4 (internal storage) are all dated 8 days ago.  I've got it set for 7 days auto-update, and when I check manually for updates (without OK), it says there are many, a mix of patch and new.
  • Tried changing to 4 days, waiting, exiting, restarting, planning a route.  Still no automatic update.  Nothing in notification centre.  Then I noticed, changing auto-update to any setting leaves it at 7 days.
I guess this belongs here, since I'm using the beta.  Thanks.  :)
My segments are all from 11.04.2021. I set every 4 days. So they are overdue.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 21, 2021, 22:53:39
My segments are dated 04/15 with update time set to 4 days.
I noticed Akku "Optimizer" for Locus was enabled. I disabled it and will check again in 5 days.
This "Optimizer" are always a mess. I think it's related to this. See https://dontkillmyapp.com/
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 22, 2021, 07:13:59
My segments are dated 04/15 with update time set to 4 days.
I noticed Akku "Optimizer" for Locus was enabled. I disabled it and will check again in 5 days.
This "Optimizer" are always a mess. I think it's related to this. See https://dontkillmyapp.com/
No, it's not because of the battery optimization. I have not optimized the Locus battery.
The automatic backup works. So it must be something else.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 22, 2021, 11:23:49
I think it may already have been mentioned: even though Locus Map uses Day mode UI, the auto generated track previews are dark grey/appear to be in night mode (which my Android is running in). I always have to refresh them. Recording is triggered by an intent.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 22, 2021, 13:57:43
@tapio
The tap on the currently recording track never did anything, this is expected.

Dark preview of the tracks : you mean the small preview in the list of tracks? Never noticed such problem.

@lor74cas
Problem with KML is a really really really old problem, check this topic (https://help.locusmap.eu/agent/object/6535). Quite hard for me to solve it, so ...

@fresichneider
Incorrect zoom/center of the map when opening track in route planner from the track manager > got it, thanks

@Viajero Perdido
hmm, restoring the settings may cause some mess regards auto-backup, you are probably correct. And re-setup of these values again in LM4 does not help?

The problem with auto-updates, mainly the popup you see, is more interesting. Do you have an active gold subscription? Because this error may appear only in case, Gold is not valid. But without gold, these settings should not be available at all ... weird. Anyway because of this is also change not stored.

---

Anyway I think I've found small issue that may cause that routing data are not updated ... so next version.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 22, 2021, 15:52:33
I bought a new bluetooth button for my bike and set the correct button codes in the expert settings. Works fine, I can zoom with the button, switch map centering on/off and rotation. However, if map centering is not on, rotation has no effect. Well, the compass icon appears, but it just points north. This state (compass icon shown, but centering button is white inside) cannot be reached with manual taps, as far as I can see.

I think this was discussed before, some people would like to see rotation even without centering. I tend to agree, but even if the result of the discussion was "No", then at least the compass icon shouldn't be shown in the above situation.

PS: In the expert settings for the HW buttons, it says "Map centering on/off". But the actual action is only "Center map". I mean, nothing is turned on, it just centers the map once. Shouldn't this set "Hold map center"? I would much prefer that for my button, perhaps it can be added?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 22, 2021, 16:17:37
New Beta version MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.4_1008

@slarti76
Hmm, at least check please expert settings > Map rotate only when centered.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 22, 2021, 16:49:31
Hi.  Quickly tested 1008 on both devices.  Still no change, sorry.

I did notice an automatic backup finally happened about 7 hours ago; the first from LM4.  (Did I install 1007 beta 3 days ago?  I've got ABU set for 3 days.)  But router files still haven't updated; both devices.  On phone, files now 10 days old; interval is stuck at 7.

Both devices do report a gold subscription (though tablet oddly doesn't say GOLD at bottom of main menu; I think just a display issue).  And other gold features like sync work just fine.  But I definitely can't change the router update interval.  Like you say, weird.

I have to run now, meet some cachers with a ladder.  :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 22, 2021, 18:44:37
@slarti76
Hmm, at least check please expert settings > Map rotate only when centered.
Uh, yeah, I totally didn't see that. With that setting off it works as expected. Thx!
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 22, 2021, 18:58:42
@Menion, yes, see screenshot. Will observe and report in helpdesk, if I know more.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on April 22, 2021, 19:20:20
Quote
#160: fixed & improved, thanks
confirm, thanks
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 23, 2021, 00:21:30
4.0.2.4 - addresses generated for navigation commands: verified/ thanks.

Now the inevitable next observation/ request - the Route Planner & "Mavigation mode" have two different concepts of "itinerary":
It could be very useful to merge these two lists, especially into the Route Planner itinerary (or a more compact form of it) so that the list of roads (addresses) can be more efficiently verified (corrected) before navigation is commenced.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 23, 2021, 10:26:15
@Viajero Perdido
Weird, I was quite sure that I've found the reason of this issue. So the change in update interval still ends with the same error message right? Damn. Give me some time. Maybe more people write the same issue, maybe I find anything I do not see now ... thanks.

@tapio
hmm, it may not be connected to dark mode. It looks like that app is unable to pick the correct map for the preview so use the blank map. And because you use dark mode, it is black, nothing more.

Anyway reliability of creating previews is quite bad  :-\

@Andrew Heard
Both "itineraries" have different use-case. In the route planner, it is mainly about the option to see all segments on one screen and the option to change easily it's order. In the active navigation route planner, it is about a common itinerary known from bigger navigation apps. It should be read-only and give quick overview of what will come.
Can't imagine how to merge them to be true  ???
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 23, 2021, 13:47:06
@tapio
hmm, it may not be connected to dark mode. It looks like that app is unable to pick the correct map for the preview so use the blank map. And because you use dark mode, it is black, nothing more.

Ah no big deal... may be related to my use of an OAM map. I don't use Lomaps because MFv3.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 23, 2021, 19:27:00
Right.

The LoRouter issue isn't urgent for me at all.  But I know it's a major selling feature, and I'm happy to help debug it.  Let me know how I can help.  Cheers.

EDIT: Forgot to mention.  I tried changing the auto-backup settings as you suggested.  ABU does seem to work, but it didn't help with routing data, sorry.  I'll report back if anything changes, such as a missed backup.

EDIT: I created a help topic (https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/24366-lorouter-automatic-download-not-working) with new info.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: T-mo on April 24, 2021, 07:28:11
@Andrew Heard
Both "itineraries" have different use-case. In the route planner, it is mainly about the option to see all segments on one screen and the option to change easily it's order. In the active navigation route planner, it is about a common itinerary known from bigger navigation apps. It should be read-only and give quick overview of what will come.
Can't imagine how to merge them to be true  ???
I guess Andrew meant:
 - RoutePlanner-iternary being an parameter-list (input, via-points)
 - Navigation-iternary being an calculated result-list (output)(containing the via-points as used constraints)
Currently you see the (calculated) results in
 - RoutePlanner as drawn route > graphics only
 - after starting navigation as route & iternary > graphics + table
even though it's in both situation already calculated.
In RoutePlanner maybe without fetching road-names.
With having the full result you can better decide whether to use it or not..if you started the process of navigation, it's not that easy to step back.
Maybe you are in unknown territory and someone gives you some hints, use a certain  street, whatever..

Currently you have to do some clicks and cannot go back and forth easily.

In my opinion the iternary could gain some structure and styling to clearly differ between input-points and calculated parts between
- shaping point 1
-  road/segment 1
-  road/segment 2
- ..
- shaping point 2
-  road/segment 1
- ...
- shaping point 3

maybe collapsable  :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 24, 2021, 23:53:14
Both "itineraries" have different use-case. In the route planner, it is mainly about the option to see all segments on one screen and the option to change easily it's order. In the active navigation route planner, it is about a common itinerary known from bigger navigation apps.
@Menion - for me it's the same use-case otherwise I wouldn't have suggested. For me it's to efficiently see the whole planned route (shaping, Via points, segments and road names), sometimes by confirming a known road name has been chosen (or not). At present my planning workflow is Route Planner > Save > Navigation (dummy test) > Itinerary > confirm {> Route Planner etc.}.

Can't imagine how to merge them to be true  ???
to merge in code or visually? I'd agree with @T-mo. Sometimes just a simple/ concise (textual) itinerary list without graphics would be perfect; other times the existing more detailed Route Planner itinerary is also perfect.

BTW my only two suggestions for the round trip generator were
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 25, 2021, 12:47:12
No reaction on pressing this button...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on April 25, 2021, 13:00:23

  • if more than one point is already defined, change the error message "Place a point on the map to define the start of your trip" to "To suggest a new round trip, please add at most one starting point"

...or calculate a round trip with all the already defined points, if possible...?

Just had a first look on this function I did not know...
It seems to me that the proposed route is the longest away possible, quite like a forth and back.
May be an option to have the trip the more circular ("round") possible would be fine ?
Or one or two via points...?

Another thing I see: very often (always?) the proposed route goes preferentially to the north...
edit: oops, I had not seen the arrow! :o
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 25, 2021, 13:04:15
Button has an ugly cut shadow. Bottom bar is always on, Fullscreen mode, res. 1080x2244
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 26, 2021, 00:28:31
...or calculate a round trip with all the already defined points, if possible...?
@sbouju - the service is provided online by 3rd party GrafHopper, so not within control of Locus team. It only works with zero or one defined point; not more... It needs an improved/ more helpful error message.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 26, 2021, 09:19:00
@Andrew Heard, @T-mo
so the point is to display the navigation itinerary in the Route planner. To simply see navigation commands and street names there.

Because of the need for a quick overview over added points that define navigation and the possibility to quickly drag & drop, this is not a good idea from my point of view.

What comes to my mind > option to display "itinerary" directly in the new track detail (as another option in the bottom menu). With this, you should also check the detailed navigation itinerary with Route planner > Menu > Route stats > itinerary. It this a possible solution for you?

@tapio
ah thanks, map correctly moves, but chart stays visible. Anyway, this whole big chart screen needs to be wrote again from scratch next weeks.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 26, 2021, 10:39:01
Btw. is anyone using dark mode? Experience? Should be enabled by default for users with dark mode enabled in the device? (so "System settings" option).
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 26, 2021, 15:08:23
I used dark mode in the past but came back to light.
The only reason why I don't use dark mode is the map redraw.
When zoom in or out the not drawn parts of the map gets black and switches back to light when the map part was drawn
The result is a disturbing black-light switching when dealing with the map.

Would be nice if you can fix this.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on April 26, 2021, 17:03:59
When zoom in or out the not drawn parts of the map gets black and switches back to light when the map part was drawn
Same thing in the light mode (but white to map in place of black to map), no...?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 26, 2021, 18:33:27
Yes, but the main color in the map is light. Means it switches from some light color to another light color.
In dark theme the contrast of the switch is much higher bec it's light to dark and back to light.

In light theme it looks like a redraw. In dark theme it looks like there is something wrong ongoing.
I know thats just human feeling. At least for me it's so weird that I decided to use light. I interact more with the map than with dialogs.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 26, 2021, 23:36:17
Hmm, thanks for the feedback. I've investigated this issue a little more cause it looked to me also weird and seems that issue is in background color defined in vector MapsForge themes. Probably solvable on my side, I'll look at it ...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 27, 2021, 00:59:22
so the point is to display the navigation itinerary in the Route planner. To simply see navigation commands and street names there.
yes

Because of the need for a quick overview over added points that define navigation and the possibility to quickly drag & drop, this is not a good idea from my point of view.
agreed

What comes to my mind > option to display "itinerary" directly in the new track detail (as another option in the bottom menu). With this, you should also check the detailed navigation itinerary with Route planner > Menu > Route stats > itinerary. It this a possible solution for you?
perfect ;-)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Mapper on April 27, 2021, 07:46:58
I used dark mode in the past but came back to light.
The only reason why I don't use dark mode is the map redraw.
When zoom in or out the not drawn parts of the map gets black and switches back to light when the map part was drawn
The result is a disturbing black-light switching when dealing with the map.

Would be nice if you can fix this.
I tried dark mode but also found the large black blocks disturbing.
I don't think it has anything to do with the map theme, I am using Freizeitkarte and the map-background color is defined light-grey in the theme xml file:

<rendertheme xmlns="http://mapsforge.org/renderTheme" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://mapsforge.org/renderTheme ../renderTheme-v5.xsd" version="5" map-background="#e6e6e6" map-background-outside="#dddddd">
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: john_percy on April 27, 2021, 09:53:20
I quite agree that the black blocks are strange. Seems to me the solution would be to draw the map blocks initially in the defined background colour rather than black. I assume that's what @Menion is suggesting.


Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 27, 2021, 11:51:12
Oki guys, give please a try to new MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.5_1009 version with nice bunch of other updates  ;)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 27, 2021, 13:06:16
Hello Menion,
in the latest Version the new track screen doesn't show up any more...
Best, Lucas
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 27, 2021, 13:09:22
Oki guys, give please a try to new MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.5_1009 version with nice bunch of other updates  ;)
Tap on track does no more open the new track screen? I managed to display it, but it is not useful.

- Show trackpoint new screen
- Tap on arrow to the right of the track
- Fullscreen/classic track window appears
- Go back
-> New track screen. EDIT Ah, already reported
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 27, 2021, 13:17:08
- Itinary should also be in the classical track window (if it stays)
- I now have an access error on the Locus/router/segments4/*.rd5 file when adding points in route planner. Offline LoRrouter. EDIT: SOLVED. I found "Brouter" was set as the router for whatever reason. I am convinced I have not set it. I always use the Offline LoRouter.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 27, 2021, 14:22:33
Hmm, it is partially an accident, because I've generated APK as a final version, not Beta, sorry for this.
On the second side, I'm just preparing a new screen for all places where the app work with tracks, so give me a day or two to finish and test it correctly. Thanks.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 27, 2021, 16:14:46
Hmm, most of the work done and tested. Let's play a little bit .. on your own risk :).

New version: MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.5_1010_beta

Big today change: fully integrated new track screen. There are almost 30 places where the old screen was used so any unexpected behavior should be considered as a bug (and to be true, is expected that I've not tested all cases perfectly). Reports are welcome of course. In the new track screen is available (like in the new "point screen") an option to open the old screen (only in Beta versions) to quick check & test.

Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Hennes on April 27, 2021, 19:44:28
Guys I am missing a function that the previous version of Locus had. Perhaps I'm just to blind to see it.

Before:
When I clicked on a track there was this little pop up menu offering some options like "detail" or "navigation" or "Elevation profile (don't know the correct term".
The elevation profile showed the whole track and marked the location of the selected way point with a dot. That was very helpful to see where the way point was. Furthermore it showed the current location with a second dot. The second dot then moved along the elevation profile as soon as I changed my position.

Is this also implemented in LM4?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 28, 2021, 07:31:01
Hennes, it is currently changing massively, eg just read Menions last post. This is what 'new track screen" is about. You tap on a track and a big panel at the bottom opens, you will find anything you need there. Especially try the arrows to the right.
In latest beta version, first posting here.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 28, 2021, 07:44:55
Looks good.
Menion, you know there's some people asking for customization of the new track screen, are you planning to do so, will it be possible at all?
For me, changing of order, hiding sections comes to mind. And initial visibility (vs. fully dragged out). Eg, one may only interested in seeing the tracks name and stats in the initial view, but not the elev. profile. You could allow to define # of elements which are in the visible area initially.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 28, 2021, 09:29:54
In new Version I love the dark mode. Thanks!

One question. Settings/Point and Tracks/. There is a selection what should happen when Track is selected (Popup or Details).
There is also a Popup Content Setting. I think these two settings are no longer needed and can be removed.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 28, 2021, 10:37:30
@tapio
I was not yet thinking about customization. We will talk about it later ;). How much flexible the screen will be, I'm not sure yet. Firstly: we have to find an ideal compromise for everyone. Then we may tweak it little bit  ;)

@CabrioTourer42
You are right, it may be removed. Thanks for pointing on it.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: flyingman_ch on April 28, 2021, 15:06:25
When I click on a cache on the map and then on refresh, the title line remains in the middle and only the lower part can be scrolled.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 28, 2021, 15:17:27
Weird: Now (latest Beta) my map background when loading is first black for online and external maps, but white for vector maps. I'm fine with both, but it's inconsistent.

I also for a while notices an almost 1s delay when opening the main menu on my (slower) smartphone. Anybody else have that problem?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 28, 2021, 16:37:53
Coming from the data manager, tapping a track brings us to the new track screen. Very good, we can even go back to the data manager.
I think it would be good to allow to make the new track screen also smaller here. Move it down.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Mapper on April 28, 2021, 18:51:53
Actually I love the small Track-popup screen in Locus Pro because it shows me both the distance from the start and the distance to the end of the track. For me that's usufull information when hiking, often I don't need more!
In the new large Track-popup screen I can't find this valuable information, am I overlooking something?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 28, 2021, 20:06:32
With the new beta, today's funny behavior. Will continue watching it.
Recording start
Tour done
Recording stop and save.
After that, the recording icon on the screen was not green arrow but orange pause.
Again stop and save.
The same again. Also tried 2 times and then finished Locus. Then 4 equal tours were stored in the folder.
Then I noticed with no notification for automatic export.
So I opened track and exported. After that, there was still no notification. In Drive then 1 track was saved. Whether this comes from the automatic or manual export, I can not say.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 28, 2021, 20:33:52
Just a note for Dark theme.

I use a lot of own icons for my points. The main color I used is black on transperant background. This was fine in light theme. In dark it means they are often not visible in dialogs but still fine for the map.

So the problem in dark theme is that the background for icons are light for the map but dark for dialogs. In light theme it's always light.

I don't know if the default icons have the same problem. So this might be a problem just for me.

At least for me it would be nice if the background for icons are the same in dialogs which means light. But I don't know if this is a bigger change.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: CabrioTourer42 on April 28, 2021, 20:37:01
I also for a while notices an almost 1s delay when opening the main menu on my (slower) smartphone. Anybody else have that problem?

Not for me but I'm using a 2020 flagship phone.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 28, 2021, 21:24:39
@flyingman_ch
huaa, what the ... Never saw something like this. You use caches from the live map or any imported and stored in the app? Any idea how to simulate it is very welcome here. Does it happen always for any cache?

@slarti76
Currently, it is ... correct. App by default specifies a background color that matches the current mode (dark/light). Anyway, there are maps (mainly vector maps with "theme") that have their own definition of the background color. And this is used no matter if dark/light is selected. I was thinking about working with this color as well, but I'm sure that preserving defined background color for vector map is the ideal solution.

1sec delay ... always? There was no change in the latest versions ...

@tapio
why making the track screen smaller? Not a simple task ...

@Mapper
In new screen, you have to tap on the first bottom icon > it opens trackpoint detail with all necessary info related to selected trackpoint.

@fresichneider
Hmm, may it be related to new track screen? To be true, I've not yet tested track recording with the latest Beta ... watch it please, I'll do the same, thanks.

@CabrioTourer42
Hmm, and what should I do with it? I did not noticed any problem with internal default icons. So this is really a problem with this little un-usual icon set. Hmm, it also does not have a very simple solution  :-\.

I'm trying to update icon drawn in the list of points, but icons here are shared with icons on the map and same problem is also on other places. So, it has solution, but not so easy, so ...  ::)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: john_percy on April 28, 2021, 21:32:09
@CabrioTourer42 My suggestion is to replace black in your icons with very dark grey. I've done this with the map icons for the new version of my Voluntary theme. That way they will work in dark mode, which generally needs low contrast icons and the difference is barely noticeable in the light mode.
An alternative approach is to replace the transparent areas with very low opacity white, such as #20FFFFFF. I've done that as well with some custom icons.


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Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 28, 2021, 21:42:58
With the new track details (latest beta), I like the behavior when you tap a track on the map.  You get a small panel with the ideal amount of detail: the four key numbers, and an elevation chart.  You can swipe up for more, down for less and to get rid of it.  To me this is ideal.

When you tap a track in the track list (sometimes, haven't quite figured out the logic), you get a large panel that takes most of the screen.  Here, you can't swipe to make it smaller or make it go away; swiping only scrolls if needed.  To me, this is much less ideal, and I'll be forever trying to swipe it down to shrink.  Any chance to make it consistent (like the first paragraph above)?

Also, in the second case (non-swipeable panel), I sometimes have trouble exiting by tapping the left-arrow in the title bar.  Even when aiming and tapping carefully, it doesn't react maybe 20% of the time.  I've seen some map behavior that suggests my tap is directed to the map behind the arrow instead.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 28, 2021, 22:05:24
To reposition the vertical line, I have to click into the diagram. So I do not meet the exact place.
It would be better if I could touch the vertical line below. So I can push you there where I want.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 28, 2021, 22:31:48
@Viajero Perdido
Unification of the full-screen track screen with the map bottom popup is close to impossible. It is exactly the same system as with points. Above map > small bottom dialog without a map. In other screens, full-screen detail. It is not a dialog anymore, but a full-screen, so-called, activity. There is no option for something like "swipe down".

Problem with tap > I do not use it too much (prefer bottom device "back" button). I Will try it, thanks.

@fresichneider
Dragging of this vertical line was possible in the previous version. Unfortunately it
So, I've rather disabled this behavior because it only complicated usability.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 29, 2021, 00:18:08
4.0.2.5
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: baegas on April 29, 2021, 01:53:33
hi

I don't know if it is correct to suggest a post about the beta version here

This time, it seems that the track information window interface has been changed in the beta version of Locus Map v4.0.2.6.
Like the captured photo in the Google Photos link below, in the current full version, I edit the html and use the "description" part.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PBtNER7CT5Qp7yg48

But in v4.0.2.6 beta, that's not possible. Can you make it possible in a future full version?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/fZsKigjkDtdJnZWY6
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 29, 2021, 04:44:04
@menion urgent help required please: I don't know if this is related to MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.5_1010_beta but I've never experienced this issue of not being able to save a track before due to "unknown problem". Not a very helpful error message BTW ;-( It was a simple use-case of track recording > track save. 100% ordinary. There is plenty of free memory; I've tried rebooting; I've tried pausing/ un-pausing; I've tried selecting different folders & activities. So at present I have no way of further track recording which is quite annoying (yes, my risk of beta testing).

I next installed the latest 4.0.2.6 but the same problem. I note when exiting Locus there is the expected orange "paused" msg but then a generic Android error message "Locus Map has stopped; Close App " (no other details). I have captured & emailed a bug report to you.

I next uninstalled 4.0.2.6 & installed (revert to) MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.4_1008_beta which was working yesterday w/o this problem, and now I was able to save the track, phew, although now have to fix/ restore a lot of settings.

I exported the track & checked with Windows Garmin BaseCamp & looks 100% OK.

One last note: when I now go to the track list I can see that each attempt to save the track was actually successful, despite the error to the contrary - I have 10+ identical tracks. I will leave Locus w/o attached subscription account & not make any setting changes for now, in case the current settings/ state could be of interest to you.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: T-mo on April 29, 2021, 07:06:52
@Andrew Heard, @T-moWhat comes to my mind > option to display "itinerary" directly in the new track detail (as another option in the bottom menu). With this, you should also check the detailed navigation itinerary with Route planner > Menu > Route stats > itinerary. It this a possible solution for you?
sure

1010_beta
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 29, 2021, 07:23:46
@Menion, track screen from data manager, which cannot be moved down... I was thinking about quickly comparing tracks and seeing a bit more of them on the map.
tap track, look, maybe look at text data, go back, tap different track.
But no big deal. You seemed to use a different ui element with less dragging possibilities and made it look like the other track screens which may confuse at first, but no big deal for me.
Actually I love the small Track-popup screen in Locus Pro because it shows me both the distance from the start and the distance to the end of the track. For me that's usufull information when hiking, often I don't need more!
In the new large Track-popup screen I can't find this valuable information, am I overlooking something?
As Menion wrote, you need to go to the point screen from there, bottom left icon. Indeed more taps to do for you. And you probably need to drag the point screen to see the desired info.
Keep in mind this is actively developed and you can make suggestions. Eg., for you, an option to see point screen first,instead of track screen. Or "show point screen first while routing". idk if it's useful, just brainstorming.

I'm thinking the fore and back from point to track is not ideal, tap at different places.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 29, 2021, 07:37:28
@Menion I experienced the same as Andrew! Recording initiated by an intent. I noticed, it wasnt stopped by Tasker, but should have. And so I wanted to stop it manually. Not possible, as Andrew wrote. I stopped Locus, it comes up with that message "recording running", and I think I just dumped the recording with that recycle bin icon, which made the recording stop. Serious problem.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 29, 2021, 08:01:15
@fresichneider
Dragging of this vertical line was possible in the previous version. Unfortunately it
  • highly collide with swipe up/down of whole bottom dialog
  • it also reacted on the drag even like it was a click on the chart > result was the move of the map on clicked place on the chart > stupid
So, I've rather disabled this behavior because it only complicated usability.
As @fresichneider and @Andrew Heard wrote, we need something to more precisely select a specific point on the track. I think @Andrew Heard is right, I would suggest inserting the selector buttons in the title part of the track as it remains visible.
The panel could therefore not only give information on the entire track, but also have a section dedicated to information relating to the point. Furthermore, in the information relating to the point, the distance from the beginning / to end of the track itself could be mentioned.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Žajdlík Josef on April 29, 2021, 08:30:57
Beta testing on J3 Android 5.1.1.
1) The displayed route data is duplicated several times. See. Frames in SCR.
2) When closing Locus, press the Back button to release the quitting message. See. SCR.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 29, 2021, 08:52:13
@Andrew Heard

Issue with saving a track: thanks, found & fixed!

@baegas
There should be a "more" button that displays full-screen window with a description. Hmm, may you please share one track with such description as GPX? I'll try to improve it, thanks. And yes, it is definitely the correct place!

@Žajdlík Josef
1) you compare the popup on the map (probably enabled by you in the settings) with the name of the track (defined during saving also by you) with real-time when the track was created. So from my point of view, it is ok like this.
2) thanks, noticed as well. Not a usage problem, but fixed of course.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 29, 2021, 09:15:02
@slarti76
Currently, it is ... correct. App by default specifies a background color that matches the current mode (dark/light). Anyway, there are maps (mainly vector maps with "theme") that have their own definition of the background color. And this is used no matter if dark/light is selected. I was thinking about working with this color as well, but I'm sure that preserving defined background color for vector map is the ideal solution.
Ok, as I said, it's fine with me, was just confusing at first.

Quote
1sec delay ... always? There was no change in the latest versions ...
Yes, on my S9 and Tab S5e the speed is normal, but on the XCover Pro it's always a lag of around 1s. I know it's a slower phone - but it's only the main menu... I think it's not new as such, may have been like that since Locus 4 (don't have LM3 installed there anymore, but I'm sure it was never that slow). Could it have to do with the "Gold" Status? Perhaps there's an additional query every time the menu opens?

Also, the "Map-screen content" sidebar visibly first opens a narrow white strip before the whole thing opens. Perhaps 50px wide. It's definitely not a "move-in effect", it's not smooth, and it's noticable on all my device (with differing speed, though).

I tried to do a screen recording, but you can't see when I tap anything, so it's not that helpful...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 29, 2021, 09:20:22
@Slarti. My guess: something connect/login related? I'm thinking about the top line in main menu with your name, which needs the login. I've noticed some small delay there. But irrelevant here, is just like 0.5 s and main menu is operable all the time. Try mobile data vs. wifi vs. offline vs. not logged in...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Žajdlík Josef on April 29, 2021, 09:21:06
[@Žajdlík Josef
1) you compare the popup on the map (probably enabled by you in the settings) with the name of the track (defined during saving also by you) with real-time when the track was created. So from my point of view, it is ok like this.
I understand, but it is necessary that the label appears in that little preview? And the route name is the default Lucus setting. This will thus be displayed by most users.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 29, 2021, 11:15:48
@fresichneider
Dragging of this vertical line was possible in the previous version. Unfortunately it
  • highly collide with swipe up/down of whole bottom dialog
  • it also reacted on the drag even like it was a click on the chart > result was the move of the map on clicked place on the chart > stupid
So, I've rather disabled this behavior because it only complicated usability.
As @fresichneider and @Andrew Heard wrote, we need something to more precisely select a specific point on the track. I think @Andrew Heard is right, I would suggest inserting the selector buttons in the title part of the track as it remains visible.
The panel could therefore not only give information on the entire track, but also have a section dedicated to information relating to the point. Furthermore, in the information relating to the point, the distance from the beginning / to end of the track itself could be mentioned.
Another possibility would be:
There is a small button in the corner of the diagram. When I click this, a small window opens directly below the diagram. There I have a sliding bar that I can move.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 29, 2021, 11:38:30
Actually I love the small Track-popup screen in Locus Pro because it shows me both the distance from the start and the distance to the end of the track. For me that's usufull information when hiking, often I don't need more!
In the new large Track-popup screen I can't find this valuable information, am I overlooking something?
The way I see it there is no longer the small popup. The replacement is the new track screen that can be swiped down. I love him.
You want to see other information there (at mapper)
Suggestion: There is an option in the settings where you can select the content of the pop-up screen. Perhaps you can choose which statistic fields are displayed in the window (max. 4 units). For more you have to use the arrow to the right.
Perhaps you can also select other fields there. I would love not to see "Best Interval".
One more point about this screen.
When I click on the track, this sub-screen opens.
When I select a track in the track manager, the full screen opens.
I don't like the full screen because it can't be swiped down (other users too).
Proposal in the settings select which screen should open when selecting on the map and when selecting in the track manager.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: freischneider on April 29, 2021, 11:44:36
automatic update of routing files still does not work. Still files from 04/11/2021. I chose 4 days.
I now wanted to change the interval in order to trigger it again. I chose 7 days But it doesn't change. The following message appears (image)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: lor74cas on April 29, 2021, 12:11:49
Perhaps you can also select other fields there. I would love not to see "Best Interval".
+1
One more point about this screen.
When I click on the track, this sub-screen opens.
When I select a track in the track manager, the full screen opens.
I don't like the full screen because it can't be swiped down (other users too).
But the question is: when you swipe coming from track manager, where do you want to go? Back in the track manager or on the map?
For me it's the track manager, but the swipe gesture with the map at the top suggests the map
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 29, 2021, 13:21:22
@slarti76
I'm checking if there is any reason for a delay and can't see anything suspicious. Video does not help here, so do not waste a time on it. Does also other screens and dialogs "lags" (some noticeable slow-down)?

@Žajdlík Josef
labels > good point, removed
route name > only recorded. Imported or planned has different names. Also, in the recent version, you may modify the pattern for the name of the recorded track, so ...

@freischneider
what about selecting a point on the big chart? There is already a system for zoom in/out and later display on the map. Seems that the "center" button does not work correctly now - fixed.

As I mentioned before, the display of the track detail as a bottom dialog is not possible on other screens than the main map. Technical limitation.

Change in time for BRouter downloader > little more investigating and I think I've got it, thanks. Try it with next version, hopefully, it will help with automatic updates as well. Because this issue caused that default "Disabled" value was used.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 29, 2021, 14:30:47
route name > only recorded. Imported or planned has different names. Also, in the recent version, you may modify the pattern for the name of the recorded track, so ...
There's the timestamp there {t} - I was wondering - will you add more variables? Especially (next) city name is interesting.

I would love not to see "Best Interval".
Oh yes. Same, also the waypoints symbols aren't useful for me. Maybe at a later stage we can define which elements are shown, while the rest (their fullscreen windows) can be accessed via a submenu.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: michaelbechtold on April 29, 2021, 18:03:58
@Menion I experienced the same as Andrew! Recording initiated by an intent. I noticed, it wasnt stopped by Tasker, but should have. And so I wanted to stop it manually. Not possible, as Andrew wrote. I stopped Locus, it comes up with that message "recording running", and I think I just dumped the recording with that recycle bin icon, which made the recording stop. Serious problem.

I ran into the same issue, also in some betas from the past. After some swearing I used the "save actual part", hence no data lost.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: flyingman_ch on April 29, 2021, 18:11:35
Quote
@flyingman_ch
huaa, what the ... Never saw something like this. You use caches from the live map or any imported and stored in the app? Any idea how to simulate it is very welcome here. Does it happen always for any cache?
Yes, it is the same with all caches. For the saved caches only if I click on refresh before. With unsaved caches it is always like this.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 29, 2021, 18:35:25
I can duplicate flyingman's issue (latest beta).  Tap a G4L cache.  If it says "Updating cache", then the title bar doesn't scroll.  Tap the same cache a second time.  If it doesn't say "Updating cache", then the title bar can scroll up, showing more text info below.

I prefer the second behavior.   8)

"save actual part"
<aside>
The text should be "save current part".  The word is often mis-translated to English, eg Spanish actualmente should be currently (correct) not actually (very different).
</aside>
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on April 29, 2021, 20:50:57
New version MapGooglePlay_4.0.2.7_1012_beta

@tapio
exactly what I hope for - tips & ideas on what other variables should be filled in the new track name. City, perfect. So parameter {city} added, thanks.

@michaelbechtold, @flyingman_ch
The issue should be fixed, thanks

@Viajero Perdido
Hmm, more and more suggestions to original English translation. I'll probably create a specific topic for Michal who takes care of English texts ...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 29, 2021, 23:43:10
I tried to do a screen recording, but you can't see when I tap anything, so it's not that helpful...
@slarti76 - check out Android settings > Developer Options > Show Touches (it's a long list - do a search instead) - this will then show taps in your screen recording.

4.0.2.7_1012_beta:

itinerary is ... available in Route planner as well, as I wrote before
confirmed from track > More, but sorry Menion but can't find it anywhere in the Route planner?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Viajero Perdido on April 30, 2021, 04:48:23
Beta 1012, I'm happy to report, fixes both parts of the LoRouter auto-update issue, on both my devices.  Good job.  (While in a web browser a bit later, I did see a mysterious "Process successful" toast, but I figured out where it came from.)

Not sure if it's Locus, but twice recently (with the previous beta), I couldn't get the keyboard to pop up when entering a name for a newly-created waypoint.  Had to abandon my averaged waypoint because I had hit "x" to delete the default name, couldn't enter another, and it wouldn't accept a waypoint without a name.  Restarting Locus made the issue go away.  This is Android 9 with Swiftkey Keyboard, and like I say, maybe not a Locus issue.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: baegas on April 30, 2021, 05:40:39
@baegas
There should be a "more" button that displays full-screen window with a description. Hmm, may you please share one track with such description as GPX? I'll try to improve it, thanks. And yes, it is definitely the correct place!

Thanks for making the "more" button in the new beta version
gpx file was attached
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 30, 2021, 08:14:07
@slarti76
I'm checking if there is any reason for a delay and can't see anything suspicious. Video does not help here, so do not waste a time on it. Does also other screens and dialogs "lags" (some noticeable slow-down)?
No, not that I remember. And there's no unnecessary net requests for the subscription status?
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on April 30, 2021, 08:40:18
New 012 version instantly crashes (often) when:

- tap a track (planned one, from route planner)
- New track screen is open
- Bottom left icon (to point screen)
- Crash
-
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: luce on April 30, 2021, 10:45:16
I can also confirm a lag of 1 sec when tapping the main menu button. Because of that, using 3x5 functions grid is not really practicable for functions that are used quite often. This behaviour was always like this since LM4. No noticeable lags with other menus. I take my mobile to be quite fast, but in this fast changing world maybe I'm wrong ;)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: slarti76 on April 30, 2021, 14:58:18
I can also confirm a lag of 1 sec when tapping the main menu button. Because of that, using 3x5 functions grid is not really practicable for functions that are used quite often. This behaviour was always like this since LM4. No noticeable lags with other menus. I take my mobile to be quite fast, but in this fast changing world maybe I'm wrong ;)
I also checked the menu content, but both devices (S9 and XCover Pro) have exactly the same entries. I also wouldn't say it's instant on the S9, but on the XCover it is annoyingly slow, especially, like you say, given it's "favorite" functions...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on May 01, 2021, 01:24:42
I can also confirm a lag of 1 sec when tapping the main menu button.
FWIW near instant for me on all devices
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on May 01, 2021, 08:00:41
I can also confirm a lag of 1 sec when tapping the main menu button.
FWIW near instant for me on all devices
Same, but LM4 is on just one device. Negligible delay here, like 0.25s
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on May 01, 2021, 20:58:10
@Andrew Heard

@Viajero Perdido
Fixed auto-update - perfect. Finally :)
The keyboard problem is interesting. I'm using only original device keyboards, but never noticed any problem. Even if I install same keyboard you use, I'm not sure, I can solve this on my side  :-\

@baegas
fine. I've noticed the same issue during testing, so fixed. Visible text, in the case of complex HTML, is not perfect. I'm anyway not sure, if I may do something with it ... probably not, sorry.

@slarti76
Hmm, I'm testing it on Huawei P9 Lite, there is probably not the worst device :) and it took 300-500ms to open a menu. I've double-checked code related to it and there really should be nothing that may slow down this operation.

@tapio
thanks, I probably see the reason of the crash.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Andrew Heard on May 02, 2021, 00:06:25
  • Re-set of backup directory, in case you use a directory on the SD card, is expected. It has to be set again, sorry.
  • slow vector maps - interesting, noticeable difference?
  • Presets - V4+ themes - only "General" really exists. We do not have prepared more themes for V4 maps. Map screen content > Themes - display themes for currently active vector map, so you probably have LoMaps, so all V3 themes are available
  • itinerary - in the Route planner, side menu > Route stats > itinerary
@menion - thanks for all the checks/ replies
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: ADiet on May 02, 2021, 12:58:08
There is a problem with the color mode of the map. I switched on the dark mode automatic. But now the map is dark at the day and bright at night.
Are there some settings wrong? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210502/1b112d4f81da3c11be31ac6bfc4d4bd0.jpg)

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Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on May 02, 2021, 16:06:34
Outdoor day, several problems.

1. Symbols for geotagged photos disappeared, it happened twice. I had to disable/enable them (eye symbol).

2. I was recording, but at some point the recording button was just green, not red pulsating.

Both may be related to applying of presets, which I sometimes do, sometimes it's even suto triggered by Tasker. But no preset should be able to do 1./2

3. If in point screen and I tap somewhere on the track, Locus should stay in point screen.

4. Distance to a geotagged photo. It was initially often very wrong. Tap somewhere, close bottom screen, re-enter and it was... better. What should Locus show? I guess, since external waypoints or pictures are not linked to a track, the direct distance? But that was 1.2km...Attachments

Suggestion for geotagged photos: give them more priority, if I tap it, I immediately want to see the photo in all its glory in the bottom screen. But I want to avoid having to open an extra window. This is overly clunky especially if there's more photos at one place.
So: Full width for the photo please, instead of only that thumbnail size! That thumbnail is just not enough. The picture is the central information. IMO distance, elev, latlon are secondary here, it would be totally fine to scroll down, if that info is needed. So, this special "waypoint detail" screen could already be the picture viewer. Maybe with an option of how to manage its size in viewer.

5. A few crashes, related to point screen. Eg entering it. Also the new jump buttons made it crash.
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on May 02, 2021, 16:41:16
Embedded waypoints are sometimes not in order. They have been added at the timestamps as can be seen in screenshot, but there's often some disorder - why can this happen?

Another bug report: Tap on an embedded waypoint makes Locus turn black, create an orange error message and kind of restart. Screenshot.
EDIT: It does not seem to happen with any track. Not sure yet, but maybe it happens with tracks with more waypoints, like 15+
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: balloni55 on May 03, 2021, 13:41:20
I had already mentioned it weeks ago, but I can't find the thread anymore.
My setting > always screen on
but on some GC-windows like opened "listing", "log" or "WPT"
i get screen off after device time out
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on May 03, 2021, 14:55:52
@Andrew Heard
 - problem with restoring of external directories: Oki. But still, the setup of the directory over the system picker is not saved into the backup, so it needs to be set always manually after restoration.

@ADiet
thanks, hopefully, fixed now.

@tapio

May you please export to GPX a track that causes any troubles? Thanks

@balloni55
hmm, I've found a place in the code with the text "TODO: 08/06/2018 apply this also for dialogs". But as I'm looking at it, I still do not know why it does not work as-is. Interesting.

An hour later ... hack found :)
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: tapio on May 03, 2021, 15:26:38
@tapio
  • geotagged photos: you mean that visible points from the map disappeared?
  • green recording icon: I have to simulate this...
  • click on the track when the point screen is visible: why should point screen remain visible? You tapped on the track because I expect you want to work with the track.
  • these geotagged photos are attached to the track? Again, I need to simulate it.
  • crashes, thanks. I've got some of the covered

May you please export to GPX a track that causes any troubles? Thanks

1. Yes
3. When I decided to analyze points and then tap track somewhere, I am likely to be interested in another point. Eg when hiking and navigating a track, I want to check distances of future trackpoints. That's why I say there should be a track/point toggle... and when tapping the track, the software should respect the users will where he wants to stay 🙃
4. Nah, the geotagged photos are not linked to the track. Their position is just close.

GPX: attached. I re-imported it to a new track, makes Locus "crash" reliably. (Tap on waypoint in the waypoints screen).
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: sbouju on May 03, 2021, 19:03:14
I started recording my track with Locus on a smartphone 1, and after stopping this smartphone with standby, I used a smartphone 2 for my return, having noticed with some surprise that the recording was then done in continuity of the first :)
Is this a feature directly related to the synchronization activated on both smartphones?

About my record too: I find sometimes difficult/impossible to stop it and delete it directly, and I need to save it first, in order to get out of the recording process...
Title: Re: [APP] - version 4.0.+ ( 30. 3. 2021 )
Post by: Menion on May 04, 2021, 11:55:13
Topic ... is ... closing.
Damn, the list of news of the just-published version 4.1 (Locus Map Pro 3.52) is soooo long. Without the feedback here, it will be half that long. Hmm, less feedback, less work ...  :P