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Title: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 18, 2021, 13:00:40
The final phase in creating Locus Map, version 4.

Today/tomorrow will be published a final version of LM4 into the public Beta channel (https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php?id=manual:about:free_beta_testing) on Google Play of Locus Map (Free) app. All systems are now up and ready.

Because I've not yet decided how Beta versions will be published, for now, this will be a regular public version that requires an active subscription. So no features will be unlocked like it was till now.

Final status
Locus Map Free > will be renamed to Locus Map (version 4+)
Locus Map Pro > name remains for now as is (for a month or two) till we will be 100% sure, LM4 is stable and perfectly working. Then it will be rename to Locus Classic. Version continue in 3.5+ row.

Final prices and comparison of functionality if you are interested: here (https://www.locusmap.app/comparison/). Silver tier is close to the current Locus Map Pro, but gives few bonuses, so something like the "Pro+" version.

Pro users
Locus Map 4 = Locus Map Free - so it remains like before, you may have both apps installed at once (Locus Map, Locus Classic). If data are stored in the root of the internal memory, data will be shared without any worry (for now, in September 2021 things starts to be more complicated, thanks to Google)

Pro users anyway receive one year of the Silver for free or Gold with a 50% discount, which both compensate the price of the Pro version.

FAQ

How to use Beta versions
- how to (https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php?id=manual:about:free_beta_testing). The text is old but the bottom part with "What to do to become a tester" is perfectly valid.
- latest version wins, so a new regular update will update your Beta version and opposite
- settings, data, subscription, all remain untouched no matter which version you use!

Discount on the purchase as Pro user
- essential is, to use the Pro version logged into Locus Store with the same account you will use in the LM4
- steps: open in Locus Map Pro > menu > Locus Store. Check in the side panel account
- start Locus Map 4 > menu > Locus Store and check, the account is the same
- if you do not see the "Exclusive" offer, immediately send me PM with your email, I'll check it

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: francisco on March 18, 2021, 14:48:19
I´ve one question: I have Locus at my Samsung phone and also at Garmin Overlander (pro version from Amazon); but Garmin Overlander has no Google Services.
The new Locus 4, to sync between devices, needs Google services, or there will be an Amazon option, or it is not possible at all?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 18, 2021, 14:53:46
Hmm good question. And to be true, I'm not 100% sure. Google Play services are currently necessary for push notifications > so for automatic sync between web and devices (this still may be done manually). Anyway, I'm not sure about the license as it is currently bound to the Google system.

To sum this: allow Google-free system was not a priority for V1. Anyway, even more than with the Pro version, we would like to create a system that will be Google independent as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Diddi on March 18, 2021, 15:35:50
Do I understand right?

I'm a Locus Pro user and am currently using the Beta of V4 from Google Drive.
If I want to use the new "official" Beta from Play store, I have to subscript the Beta channel for the "old" Locus Map "free" and will get the new LM4 (where I have to select which subscription model (base, silver, gold) will fit best for me)?
After installing the Beta, I can delete Pro and Google drive Beta versions, without getting any data loss?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 18, 2021, 20:05:30
Diddi, good questions, thanks!

I've improved first post which should now give you all the necessary answers. Your expectation is correct except "deleting Pro & Beta (from Drive)".
a) keep Pro, maybe it will be useful
b) Beta from Google Play simply overwrite Beta from Google Drive. Also, new final versions from Google Play simply overwrite Beta from Google Play. There should not be any problem (I hope).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Diddi on March 18, 2021, 21:27:33
Question to subscription (not clear to me)
Will I get Gold as current Pro user all the time für half the price (12€) or even just one year like the free silver year?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 18, 2021, 21:39:17
The point of this discount is to give users who paid for Locus Map Pro, their money "back". So in the case of Silver it is 10€ back (Silver for one year for Free), in the case of Gold it is 12€ back (50% discount for the first year only).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 18, 2021, 22:41:20
Silver tier is close to the current Locus Map Pro, but gives few bonuses
@Menion, but also appears to take some routing features away?
LM3.50Pro can use offline BRouter or LM "inner", but LM4 silver can't?
LM3.50Pro can generate alternate routes (recalculate route), but LM4 silver can't?

I have seen the annual prices: 0/10/24.
Gold tier EU24 --> ~$A40 per year AND no family subscription, that is a disappointing  jump from current LM3 Pro pricing ;-(

I'll be the 1st to admit I've had extremely good value from Locus over the years with one app purchase, a few months of live tracking, and very cheap LoMaps. But if our family currently has say 2 phones, 2 tablets, does that mean 4 x ~$A40 each year? 99% of the time just one phone is used. It's a massive increase on the current situation.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 19, 2021, 07:23:23
@Andrew Heard
nope.
- LM Pro never had "inner" Brouter. If you talk about using an external BRouter app from Google Play, it remains possible no matter what version/premium plan you use.
- alternative routes were also not part of the Pro version.

Maybe you used some beta versions where this was enabled? But never in official production.

Family subscription: look, we almost two months computed expected cost on our servers etc. For a very long time we worked with only a single subscription. But it looks that running servers, LoMaps, LoPoints, all these stuff are so expensive, that the price can't be lower to be safe on our side. So increase? Yes it is. On our side, as well, a huge. Because of the price, we decided maybe a month ago, to create also a Silver tier. This is quite a cheap alternative for users without the need for cloud services and also a big risk for us.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Žajdlík Josef on March 19, 2021, 10:25:10
I have a subscription query. If LM4 Gold is installed on a tablet and phone with the same account. Will one Gold License will be enough in this case?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Frivold on March 19, 2021, 10:49:05
I just want to say that I'm looking forward to a new version of Locus Map. I have been using LM4 for a while (demo) and I am very happy.

When it comes to pricing the app, I think you have been quite generous considering that Locus Pro can still be used, and will be maintained further.

I bought the Pro several years back, pretty cheap. And when I think about how much I have enjoyed the app, I think I have paid too little. (Once I even bought some LoCoins that I did not need, just to contribute a little). I understand that it costs to develop the app, and I happily pay some euros a year, in exchange for the program beeing continuously improved and developed.

Thank you for the work you do, and congratulations on the new launch!  :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: fraben on March 19, 2021, 12:13:42
I have been using your app with great pleasure for several years and for a ridiculous price !

The subscription you are asking to pay, for me, is just a thank you for all these years and for those that come, thanks to the result of your wonderful work.

François
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: 0709 on March 19, 2021, 14:52:34
Quote
running servers, LoMaps, LoPoints, all these stuff are so expensive
So go radically for maximum efficiency on transfers.

- Database sync of multiple devices over the internet,? For me personally undesirable.
- Limit data traffic by the web planner. Only export as a compressed file.
- Zipped gpx by extension .gpz like gpx viewer app, no .zip rather meant for unzipper apps.
- Easy link the .gpz extension to Locus app and so avoid unexpected unzipper entries.

Navigation instructions in track points, no need to merge track with navwaypoints.
Allows multiple (colorised) tracks inclusive nearby poi wpt's in a single file.
Mutliple tracks do transfer into the track database. Poi wpt's into points database.
Thereby NOT damaging the navigation.

Regular gpx version: 6,280 bytes bytes. Zipped: 1,324 bytes. Outperforms even .fit

Find 2 alternative tracks this including 2 normal poi waypoints. For actual Locus by zip ;-)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 19, 2021, 15:15:55
@Žajdlík Josef
sure it will. This is the point > to have the same data on ALL devices and on the web > for this, a single paid account is needed.

@Frivold, @fraben
appreciate it, thanks guys!

@0709
Willy, this is not about GPX format :). We have currently 4 servers for online LoRouter, separate huge servers for LoMaps, for LoPoints and one monster for an online database with backups and some for testing environment. Together with the five developers we currently work on this project (how this happen last year? Hmm) + 4 other people, zipped export cause a probably 0.00001% difference in expenses.

And I repeat it again: nobody will be forced to leave Pro version, so if you do not care about recent change or web stuff, do not use it. I've decided to publish new updates for Locus Map Pro every month together with Locus Map 4, so IT WILL BE correctly updated = fully working.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 19, 2021, 16:18:28
I agree with Frivold and fraben: Finally I'm able to regularly contribute to the development of my favorite app! :) The business case behind "pay once, use forever" was always fishy, this is not sustainable, and people I think have been getting too used to this. But things are changing, and I really hope your calculations and assumptions pan out!
I'm a software engineer myself, but employed by a big company and only dabbled with mobile apps so far. I am quite intimidated at the thought of having my income depend on this. So very very good luck with this - I'll be getting my Gold as soon as I can 8)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 19, 2021, 16:28:56
I fully agree re. the value you get for the silver and gold subscriptions. And hey, it's less than a beer or a prosecco!
But I also agree with the family aspect our Aussi friend has laid out. This should get fixed.
Just my 2c.
Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 19, 2021, 16:31:14
But I also agree with the family aspect our Aussi friend has laid out. This should get fixed.
Just my 2c.
One solution could be to add his Google account on the phones of his family and chose that account for Locus. Not sure if there's any restrictions, and of course this has the added danger of the kids buying apps with father's account (well, a password should help against that), but I think that's legal and acceptable, isn't it?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 19, 2021, 17:06:45
But I also agree with the family aspect our Aussi friend has laid out. This should get fixed.
Just my 2c.
One solution could be to add his Google account on the phones of his family and chose that account for Locus. Not sure if there's any restrictions, and of course this has the added danger of the kids buying apps with father's account (well, a password should help against that), but I think that's legal and acceptable, isn't it?
I also find the prices completely fine. There drink a beer or Capuccino a month less and have a top app with all subtleties and always up-to-date and secure data.

An idea for the family. Create a Google Account and only use Locus Map. This account uses the family for Locu. The other apps with the old account.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Žajdlík Josef on March 19, 2021, 19:12:25
Thank you, I think Andrew will be pleased too.  I'm already looking forward to version 4.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 19, 2021, 21:13:46
Thanks guys. Nice to read that at least a few people won't be so angry because of this change :).

Btw. Google is blocking new releases because of the invalid form we send to validate that the app needs background location for a valid reason. So probably few days delay  :-\
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: T-mo on March 19, 2021, 21:18:18
even though I got my troubles with the change to subscription, the prices are well done and I lost my troubles :) That is due to the fact that you are really well caring, we all know and love and join, and push :), and the prices.
Well, the current situation clearly shows - there has to be a proper solution for families.
Better Locus than any other crapp.
E.g. if it's about live-tracking, for security concerns, that should be possible for members with propper intents.
 8)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 19, 2021, 22:43:17
if our family currently has say 2 phones, 2 tablets, does that mean 4 x ~$A40 each year?

Please don't get me wrong - I did say... "I'll be the 1st to admit I've had extremely good value from Locus over the years with one app purchase, a few months of live tracking, and very cheap LoMaps."

This is the point > to have the same data on ALL devices and on the web > for this, a single paid account is needed.

@Menion I think your reply to Žajdlík Josef above answers my question. Maybe I don't need 4 Silver or Gold subscriptions for all the devices, just "a single paid account is needed."?

If this app had been around 40 years ago when I started work it would have cost $100,000's to buy!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 20, 2021, 08:03:10
I used the Google Drive v4 version as my main Version and uninstalled LM3. I just hope whatever I will install now (gotta read all the subscription related info) - hope that technically it still works and hope there's no folder chaos.

Looked at the subscriptions, seem very affordable, from my 1-phone-perspective at least. I know there'll be a lot of discussion again though. Stay strong, Menion 😊
I will go for Gold. Do not really need it because I don't do Livetracking or sync/web planner (yet). But full Lomaps is attractive. Silver seems a risk for the business, because reckon it's good enough for most of us.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Saturo on March 20, 2021, 09:13:46
I don´t need LoMaps, LoPoints or anything of that. 40$ per Year is much to expensive.
I keep on using the version i have bought.
Good luck with your business plan!

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 20, 2021, 09:37:41
I don´t need LoMaps, LoPoints or anything of that. 40$ per Year is much to expensive.
I disagree, but I do have to say that one drawback compared to Google Play is that prices cannot beadjusted for country/purchasing power. Well, unless I got something wrong here. But I do see that when I, from Switzerland, say that 24€ are fine (btw, that's 40$AU, but only ca. 30$US), people from less wealthy countries might disagree.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: joeloc on March 20, 2021, 11:18:04
Just to confirm... all my Locus disappearing while silently recording tracks in the pocket happen on Samsung Galaxy S20 FE-5G with default OS, all Samsung Updates installed, no root, no clever hacks running, trying very hard to disable all battery saving and other Samsung bullshit in Settings. No luck so far, I still have multiple Locus disappearings per day and cannot properly record a single track without paying constant attention to my phone.

I once saw a Locus warning about battery saving options, but never again.

Also, I sometimes have a feeling that Locus goes away more likely whenever I am having a picknick break, like not moving for a while. Might just be superstition though. Sorry for being otherwise clueless.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 20, 2021, 16:25:08
Will the package names remain?
Locus 3 Pro: menion.android.locus.pro
Locus 4: menion.android.locus
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 20, 2021, 21:43:02
I'm a long time user of Locus, I can say that I was there at very first beginning since locus was still a 0.x version. I did a one-time purchase years ago when Locus Pro came out. I'm a developer myself and I understand the effort that it has been taking to create this version and all the new stuff.
Since I'm using Locus on a daily basis, I'm going to switch over to v4 from day one. And I hope I can support you enough to keep Locus going for many more years to come. Keep up the good work and thank you for this nice app
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 21, 2021, 05:30:28
warning - ramble below ;-)

It's a very competitive market out there all trying to get the user to purchase their app. We can blame Apple for stupidly cheap apps when the 1st smart phone came out. Without a lot of installing, it's hard tell exactly how much each app typically (really) costs, exact features, meets expectations. A user may install an app & decide within minutes (1st impressions) whether to keep or uninstall. Some of my bookmarked GPS apps I have (sometimes) paid for & tried over the years before deciding Locus was the best app for my purposes listed below (this is not supposed to be a comparison direct feature comparison to LM4 Silver or Gold). For a long time I used OsmAnd, Sygic, Orux & Mapfactor; it was just great luck I discovered Locus, and I expect this will often be the case because there is so much choice:
My point?? We users on this forum are generally not the average user. We see the great value in this app/ complete eco-system and have great company loyalty, but I know it is very hard to convince friends to use any app costing even a few dollars when there are apparently free ones.

I used Sygic for many years prior to Locus. I now see they are selling their app, apparently locked to each country, and not within the Google Play store. Maybe an interesting model to consider "down the track"...

just my rambling 2 cents worth. please no flames guys
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Žajdlík Josef on March 21, 2021, 07:39:28
In the Czech Republic, mapy.cz also belongs to that list.  Very popular free application.  According to Slarti, purchasing power is also much lower than in Switzerland.  Nevertheless, I believe that Locus 4 will find enough users with us as well.  I will pay Locus personally even if I am currently out of work and regular income.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 21, 2021, 18:10:05
Apply mistakes to track style.
LM4 Beta V14
Locus Map Pro

Since:
Select multiple tracks in a folder.
Small arrow up ... Change style
Take a folder style (at the top)
to save
Select the same tracks again
Copy into a folder
Now the track is displayed in the folder style of the old folder.

Now:
The tracks take over the folder style of the new folder.


Wrong alarm .... I did a mistake .... I have 3 point menu and cloning.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: didado on March 21, 2021, 18:43:40
I'm a pro user and I will go premium.

Anyway, I would suggest that on the comparison page link you start with summarising the different features that you do not get with classic etc but do get with Premium .

Now it is one giant list which I have to click and scroll to see what I'm getting extra premium. I did not find it convincing because I have to scroll through a sea of green that the other versions also offer yet Premium has a lot to offer. To summarise: summarise :-)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Pcmann on March 21, 2021, 19:23:55
Ahoj. Je už možné koupit předplatné z Locusu na verzi 4 ? Když kliknu na zakoupit předplatné Gold, jakékoliv, vypíše to chybu, že položku nejde najít.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 22, 2021, 12:10:39
Hi guys,
I started this topic with the hope, that this or in the worst, the next day will be published new version on Google Play.

But, well, Google is blocking a release (also new Locus Map Pro 3.51.1) because of validation of "Background location" access. We were twice-time rejected and now waits on the result of the third attempt ... so sorry.

@T-mo
Live-tracking is paid only for people, who want to create private groups. So for example, you with Gold subscription may create a private group and invite the rest of the family that does not have any subs > and it is ok!

@tapio
Yes, Silver is risky, but we are sure, many people won't need the web stuff, so it is a very good option for them.

And yes, package names remain the same, so everything existing will continue correctly (add-ons, tasker tasks, etc...)

@joeloc
If you can, right after you notice that the app crashed, create and send me a bug report (https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:faq:how_to_create_debug_log). There may be some info about the reason (or may not).

@Andrew Heard
nice comparison :). We focus on the area more related to hike & bike. Car navigations? It is the world on it's own  :).

@didado
thanks for the tip. I'll note about it my colleague who created web :).

@Pcmann
[CZ]sorry, not yet ... still waiting on the Google (start of this post)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: JackRussel on March 22, 2021, 13:45:52
Im am a little bit dissatisfied that bulit in offline navigating is only part of gold and not silver.

In my Opinion bulit in offline navigating is a essential function of LM4 and should be in silver.

The price for gold is ok for the scope of functions but :
I don´t need Synchronization, LoMaps, Live tracking and the most other parts of gold. I make donations for OSM Freizeitkarte because Freizeitkarte has the best Theme for me.

Therefore I am dissatisfied that i am a little bit forced to take gold.

Can I use Brouter in LM4 like LM3 ?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 22, 2021, 16:11:05
Can I use Brouter in LM4 like LM3 ?
Yes you can, external BRouter just as in LM3, so no need to be dissatisfied. You only need silver.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: JackRussel on March 22, 2021, 17:40:02
Can I use Brouter in LM4 like LM3 ?
Yes you can, external BRouter just as in LM3, so no need to be dissatisfied. You only need silver.
Thanks a lot.

But I hoped that built in navigating is better than Brouter.
Maybe I try gold and downgrade after one year to silver. Then in know the advantages.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: poutnikl on March 22, 2021, 17:56:49
But I hoped that built in navigating is better than Brouter.

It is BRouter, just integrated one. It would be better then external one just in some secondary aspects, not related to navigation itself. Like not having time out issues for very long route segments, Brouter transparency, no limitation by Brouter API or integrated background BRouter data download/update.

Navigation is as good as the used navigation profile, with few exceptions of Brouter design limitations. Possibilities, relying on internal or external profiles are for both internal and external Brouter the same.





Sent from my Xiaomi MI A2 / Android 10, via Tapatalk
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 22, 2021, 19:33:18
Exactly, thanks Libor.

One of the main reasons and benefits of the integrated BRouter is that it will have automatically updated routing data up to 2x a week. Anyway as Libor wrote, computed routes are based mostly on profiles and internal profiles used in internal LoRouter are freely available if anyone wants. So using BRouter from Google Play, you should get 100% identical results if used the same data & the same profiles. It just needs a little more manual work.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: JackRussel on March 22, 2021, 21:38:43
One of the main reasons and benefits of the integrated BRouter is that it will have automatically updated routing data up to 2x a week. Anyway as Libor wrote, computed routes are based mostly on profiles and internal profiles used in internal LoRouter are freely available if anyone wants. So using BRouter from Google Play, you should get 100% identical results if used the same data & the same profiles. It just needs a little more manual work.
Thanks a lot.

I don`t have long Routes with a start and endpoint. My Routes have between 20 and 40 Waypoints.

LM is a great App. I think I try gold. Then I have one year and can compare the best package for me.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Rainman2de on March 22, 2021, 21:55:31
I have got a love-hate-relationship to my locus map pro. The features of locus are far superior to the other navigation-apps I know. It is also much better than the komoot app. But importing external GPX-tracks is one of the most important features for my. And this is where locus just lacks so much.
I have been going thru almost all alpha and betaversion and have seen lm4 evolving and growing and i really like how all this was handled here in the forums.

Well, i appreciate it and I will happily pay for the gold version at least a year to support all of your work.

I almost pulled the trigger and ordered a hammerhead karoo 2, but maybe lm4 is just a better fit for me. So I safe the many for the karoo and give some to you.

Keep up that good work

With greetings from germany
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 22, 2021, 22:40:35
But importing external GPX-tracks is one of the most important features for my. And this is where locus just lacks so much.
I am interested, why? I do lots of automated recordings with another app, all managed by Tasker... and import it daily into Locus. No problem here, but it's a manual job. The only disadvantage for me. At some point I decided to make a suggestion to push an import job from outside into Locus, via intent.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: francisco on March 22, 2021, 22:59:28
... To sum this: allow Google-free system was not a priority for V1. Anyway, even more than with the Pro version, we would like to create a system that will be Google independent as soon as possible.
Yes, the best solution is Google independent. With last mobile-wars (...Huawey) is best to not depend in such giants, or one day 1 third of your customers can't use Locus with sync feature...
For me with a powerful gps engine (with no Google) I can't sync phone with it, so no advantage to subscribe a plan. I'll continue with Pro (Google on phones & Amazon on GPS)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: drumpldeer on March 23, 2021, 08:36:41
Hi!
Thank you for the work you have put into this absolutely brilliant tool. A few weeks ago after updating my Sony Xperia to a current Android 11 version, Locus 3 was suddenly very slow and also crashed. Then I became aware of the development of Locus 4 and have since installed the beta versions and tested with Geocaching. It got better and better, more stable and faster.
In the meantime I also got used to the new Geocaching user interface and finally found the menu with e.g. spoiler images. But I still have to get used to it, but that will be alright ;-)
One question I still have. When I create a new waypoint and click on the sign with arrow and point, Locus 3 always immediately displayed the map and the point was aimed. Now I have to click three times to get the map displayed. Is it still possible to change this? Is the question right here or should i already create a ticket?
Kind regards and many thanks!
Jens
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 23, 2021, 09:58:27
Route Planner. Delete trackpoint - confirmation feels weird. Basically, we have to press "delete" twice.

In order to streamline it and make working with waypoints more effective, please remove the second delete menu. This is no problem as  there is Undo. And route planner shaping points aren't too valuable.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 23, 2021, 13:01:17
@Rainman2de
I'm also curious what exactly is a problem with GPX import/export system.

@tapio
good point with "Delete" confirmation. It was probably created when undo/redo was not yet working? Anyway, removed, works a lot better now, thanks :).

@francisco
sync feature currently should work without a Google!! But only manually. So devices won't receive a notification that something had changed on the server/other devices. Anyway, we had not yet tested this, so later ...

@drumpldeer
Slow & crashing LM3 > hmm, this should not happen and if so, a similar fate should come to LM4 as they share most of the core source code & logic.

About the display of waypoints: should you please create a short video or a screenshot(s) so it will be clear what you mean? Thanks!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 23, 2021, 17:36:04
It's on Google PlayStore now. Currently I can enjoy ads (in Locus) 😁
Will there be any technical change when we have the transition from Play Store Beta Channel to stable channel? Technically, a different installation? I ask because I'm lazy, I just wish that it continues to work.
Didn't touch subscriptions yet, do they technically work?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Jochen on March 23, 2021, 17:58:09
@Menion: Congratulation to the new Locus Map4 👍👍👍.
I installed the new free Version over the Beta Version. I want to buy the Gold Version with the discount for Locus Pro Users. Do I oversee something? I can only see the regular price.

Kind regards

Jochen
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 23, 2021, 18:01:14
I can only see the regular price.
I see "11,99 EUR, then 23,99/Year".
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Jochen on March 23, 2021, 18:20:11
@tapio: The Locus Pro Version was deactivated, because in the last months I did only use the new Alpha and Beta LM 4. After updating Locus Map Free I had to activate Locus Map Pro. Maybe there is the problem?
But in the new LM4 Free Version I had to login with the E-Mail adress combined with Locus Pro.....mmmh.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Rainman2de on March 23, 2021, 18:35:43
@Rainman2de
I'm also curious what exactly is a problem with GPX import/export system.

It is not export but importing Komoot-GPX-files what locus cant handle very good. The track is displayed correctly but as soon as you start navigating the track locus messes up.
I mentioned that in the beta thread. But i know you are aware of that. Enough to support the locus-team further.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 23, 2021, 19:03:45
Oh finally!!!

Ask me please, when anything is not clear. I've added the first two "FAQs" to this first post. Michal will then summarize all core questions more precisely (with his definitely a lot better English :) ). For now, you'll have to live with my :)

@Rainman2de
I have only some info from @0709 about not-ideal GPX imports, but to be true, I do not know what is wrong. And you never communicated with me about this before (as I see, you have some German posts, but I do not know German and do not read these topics ...). So if there is something you want to fix and if you are able to give me file + step-by-step instructions to simulate this problem, feel free to create a new topic here or on help desk and I'll gladly look at it ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 23, 2021, 19:21:42
When I click on the user manual, I come to the user manual of LM3.

Symbols in points and tracks do not look good. The edge is very blurry.
I have pictures as it looks in LM3 and what it looks like in LM4.
In the old LM4 beta, it was better. But can not do any pictures because they no longer start or overwritten.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 23, 2021, 19:26:50
Quote
- start Locus Map 4 > menu > Locus Store and check, the account is the same
- if you do not see the "Exclusive" offer,
for me the process was not clear, I did not find an offer in the Locus store.
then I went on via menu "Hamburger button" > PRO.
Here I could choose between siber and gold at half price for the first year I chose gold
I was surprised that I had to pay with my Google credit.... :-[
I expected that I could pay with Locoins from my account
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 23, 2021, 19:32:36
I understand that right with the counting of gold.
Payment is not dependent on the Google Account but from the Locu Store account.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 23, 2021, 19:45:37
@freischneider
are you sure it is manual for LM3? The link should be now "docs.locusmap.APP". We copied the old LM3 manual and rewrite it. But it is a huge task and not all pages are already done.

Icons: I'll look at it, thanks.

@balloni55
Not clear, hmm  :-X. We need to know, that you used the Locus Map Pro version and because of this, you have to use and login into Locus Store with the Locus Map Pro. Then you should receive a better offer.

Purchase over LoCoins and other options than just Google Play: we really tried to do this also into the V1 version, but in the end, it seems to be a lot bigger task than it may look. So our estimate is 3 - 4 months, probably not sooner, sorry.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 23, 2021, 19:59:12
Minor observation Beta from Play Store:
I installed it on my tab, subscribed to Gold immediately. Then updated on my phone, but there it first showed as unpaid with adds. I had to go to the subscriptions dialog, where Locus at some point realized i had Gold and activated all features/turned off ads.
This should be checked on startup...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 23, 2021, 20:02:21
Hmm, it is based on the login. At the moment, you log in and the app receives all data from the server, the premium should be activated.

Anyway, in case, you have a valid login, it really should be done "automatically", good point, thanks!

EDIT:
@Rainman2de
@tapio correctly pointed on the discussion we had here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7188.msg62417#msg62417), sorry, I've forgotten on this post completely  :-X
Hmm, what to do with it ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Frivold on March 23, 2021, 20:21:14
I have downloaded LM4, and even though I have logged in in both LM3 and LM4 with the same Google Account, I don't get an offer. I can pay full price, since I love the app, but I think I should inform you that the offer doesn't work for me. Maybe it's beacuse I must pay in NOK, and not EUR? The price for me is 255 Norwegian Kroner, which is 24 Eur.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 23, 2021, 20:35:06
I already received a bug report from @Jochen (thanks for this), so there definitely something that does not work. I'm going to wake up Petr and we will look at it  :).

... but definitely do not purchase anything (year subs) without a discount, this has to work correctly on our side!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 23, 2021, 21:26:24
I have the new beta.
Go there on user manual
see pictures
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 23, 2021, 23:15:52
I already received a bug report from @Jochen (thanks for this), so there definitely something that does not work. I'm going to wake up Petr and we will look at it  :).

... but definitely do not purchase anything (year subs) without a discount, this has to work correctly on our side!
I also confirm @Jochen & @ balloni55 experience
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Ricardo Borges on March 23, 2021, 23:43:16
I already received a bug report from @Jochen (thanks for this), so there definitely something that does not work. I'm going to wake up Petr and we will look at it  :).

... but definitely do not purchase anything (year subs) without a discount, this has to work correctly on our side!
I also confirm @Jochen & @ balloni55 experience
  • play store > upgrade Locus Map Free ≡ LM4.0.0 beta (free)
  • LMPro3.51.0 > main menu > Locus Store > top menu (person icon) > login – OK
  • LM4.0.0 > main menu > Locus Store > top menu (person icon) > confirm logged in > but  "Exclusive" offer not visible
  • (LM4.0.0) > main menu > Go Premium > SELECT SUBSCRIPTION (Gold) > "A special offer...for LM Pro" - this price appears to reflect the discount, so although different to 1st page of this topic (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7258.0), I think it is otherwise working.
Menion wrote we should get free Silver for 1 year. This appears to you? Not here.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 24, 2021, 00:11:23
Menion wrote we should get free Silver for 1 year. This appears to you? Not here.

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@Ricardo Borges - yes it does show free upgrade to Silver for 1st year for LM3Pro users; I didn't bother to report that as only interested in the Gold (I'm not able to modify that post sorry).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 24, 2021, 07:18:38
I already received a bug report from @Jochen (thanks for this), so there definitely something that does not work. I'm going to wake up Petr and we will look at it  :).

... but definitely do not purchase anything (year subs) without a discount, this has to work correctly on our side!
I also confirm @Jochen & @ balloni55 experience
  • play store > upgrade Locus Map Free ≡ LM4.0.0 beta (free)
  • LMPro3.51.0 > main menu > Locus Store > top menu (person icon) > login – OK
  • LM4.0.0 > main menu > Locus Store > top menu (person icon) > confirm logged in > but  "Exclusive" offer not visible
  • (LM4.0.0) > main menu > Go Premium > SELECT SUBSCRIPTION (Gold) > "A special offer...for LM Pro" - this price appears to reflect the discount, so although different to 1st page of this topic (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7258.0), I think it is otherwise working.
Menion wrote we should get free Silver for 1 year. This appears to you? Not here.

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The discount appears for me. Silver is free and gold is around 12 euros

Do you have the same google account and the same Locus Store account as Pro?
I don't know if the same google account is necessary. Or only the same Locus Store account is required.
Have already asked a question above. But I think Menion missed them.
As I said, no problem for me!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: JackRussel on March 24, 2021, 08:15:47
I don`t see LM4. There are Locus Map free and Locus Map Pro. And Locus Map free is 3.50.1

At least here in Playstore
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 24, 2021, 08:43:58
I don`t see LM4. There are Locus Map free and Locus Map Pro. And Locus Map free is 3.50.1

At least here in Playstore

This is about the public beta, so you have to become a beta-tester. Or wait a few days until LM4 is released officially :-)

If you want to try the beta, please open the app in the Play store and scroll down. You should have an option "become a beta tester"
If not, you can go directly to the invitation link (https://play.google.com/apps/testing/menion.android.locus)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Diddi on March 24, 2021, 08:44:28
I don`t see LM4. There are Locus Map free and Locus Map Pro. And Locus Map free is 3.50.1

At least here in Playstore

Please read the first post. You have to subscribe to beta channel of Locus Map free
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: JackRussel on March 24, 2021, 08:59:25
Oh sorry. I have read the first post. But in page 3 I have read, that LM4 is released. A misunderstanding of me.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: drumpldeer on March 24, 2021, 09:23:07
... One question I still have. When I create a new waypoint and click on the sign with arrow and point, Locus 3 always immediately displayed the map and the point was aimed. Now I have to click three times to get the map displayed. Is it still possible to change this? ...
@Menion: Here is a screenshot for what i mean. If i create a new waypoint an d press the button in the left bottom corner, Locus 3 shwoed the map and the guide to this waypoint was on. If i press the button in Locus 4, it is showing the waypoint-menu althought the guidance is alredy started in background. But i have to go back to see the map and the active guide.
I hope thats help and is possible to change.

By the way, the Gold-Version is already mine. :-)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 24, 2021, 11:13:58
We had just with Petr improved detection of the Pro version, so it should be working correctly in the next version (I'll try to prepare it today). If the next version still does not offer a discount, it is definitely really wrong so please write me.

@freischneider
app manual: ah, then it is correct. On top, you see "locusmap.app" domain. Michal just does not had yet enough time to rewrite and create screenshots for all pages. It will be done during the next months ...

icons: weird, I tried my Pixel2 device and two emulators and I'm unable to see icons with weird white borders like you  :-\

@drumpldeer
ah, this button. Thanks, fixed!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 24, 2021, 13:13:06
Hello menion
today on my short geocache trip i´ve logged my founds offline as usual ;)
Back home i finished text and add foto from device gallery to the log and confirm.
These Fotos are neither visible inside log on device nor uploadet to GS
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 24, 2021, 14:40:24
We had just with Petr improved detection of the Pro version, so it should be working correctly in the next version (I'll try to prepare it today). If the next version still does not offer a discount, it is definitely really wrong so please write me.

@freischneider
app manual: ah, then it is correct. On top, you see "locusmap.app" domain. Michal just does not had yet enough time to rewrite and create screenshots for all pages. It will be done during the next months ...

icons: weird, I tried my Pixel2 device and two emulators and I'm unable to see icons with weird white borders like you  :-\

@drumpldeer
ah, this button. Thanks, fixed!

No problem for me. But for which ones who don't know anything about LM4 or are completely new? For the start on April 1st. the main screen and the map content panel would be quite useful. And a note in bright color, so that the manual has not yet been completely adapted for LM4.
Symbols is not a problem ... I'll watch it and get back to you at a later date if necessary. Now other things are important.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Jochen on March 24, 2021, 16:59:34
@Menion: There was a new Locus Pro Version displayed in Google Playstore. After installing it, the problem stays the same.
I think, that your fix comes with the new LM4 Beta? I'm sorry for you and for your team, that it does not work as expected.

Kind regards

Jochen
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Saturo on March 24, 2021, 18:50:11
What I like don´t like about LM is the new geocache view. Where do I find the pictures? Where are the waypoints? For me definitely a reason not to switch to LM4.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 24, 2021, 19:14:02
@Saturo
pictures > top right butto in opened cache > scrolldown > pictures
waypoints > click on horizontal arrow behind "waypoints"
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Saturo on March 24, 2021, 19:18:04
Is it possible to get the tabs view back?
The new view is agonizing to me.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Mapper on March 24, 2021, 20:04:17
Today I installed LM v4 free and went for a long walk.
First impression is very good althoug I still love my LM Pro.
While comparing both versions I discovered a little problem with the GPS symbol in both apps:

I am used to turn off the screen (and the GPS also) while hiking and every now and then turn it on to check where I am. Normally, after turning on the screen again the GPS symbol turns green again after a few seconds and I've set a short beep to let me know there is a satellite fix. Today this didn't happen, the GPS symbol stayed orange althoug I got a beep and the cursor is correctly showing my position and walking direction.

I am using LM Pro v3.51.1 and LM v4.0 free on a Samsung A8 (2018) with Android 9.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 24, 2021, 20:15:22
@balloni55
Hmm, now what I do differently?

- log a cache offline
- later tap on the log and choose "edit"
- pick an existing photo and tap on save (after that, I see the whole log together with the photo in the detail view)
- later upload directly from cache or over "Logs manager"

See my attached screenshots.

@Jochen
Public Locus Map Pro has nothing to do with this. We had worked on this whole day with Petr and identified two issues. Both are now fixed and we do some final tests. The updated version will be published today (at night probably).

@Saturo
"tabs" back? No, funny, definitely not :). The new screen is maybe 10x faster (oki, maybe less) and definitely faster on most of the operations. What I'll gladly discuss, mainly related to geocaching, are "how to make it even faster". @balloni55 already had a few tips and I'll gladly discuss them. So maybe we should after release (not now please), open a new topic here on the forum related only to this "problem". If there will be the interest of course ...

@Mapper
hmm, thanks for info. I'll try your steps and will be watching it ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Beno Müller on March 24, 2021, 20:19:22
Just wanted to thank you for the new version. I immediately switched to Gold and now enjoy the internal offline route planner which works (in my perception) much faster than the external, BRouter solution. This is one of the greatest and most versatile outdoor apps available, indeed!

Just as a minor remark: When downloading a new LoMap in the Locus-Store, I'm every time a little bit uncertain whether I need to download first the map, than the elevation data and (since LM4) the offline routing data (assuming that I want all of this data). Or whether the last two datasets (elevation data and offline routing data) are already included in the overall map download. Maybe make this more explicit in the translation? "Additional download of elevation data / offline routing data" etc. And if the data has been already downloaded, grey out the download arrows next to the options (or replace the arrow by an update symbol similar to this one: https://icon-library.com/icon/icon-for-update-28.html (https://icon-library.com/icon/icon-for-update-28.html))?
(i filed the above as idea in the issue tracker since I assume you have more urgent things to do)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 24, 2021, 20:24:36
Hi Beno,
thanks for the feedback. Exactly this in the Locus Store needs improvement, I'm well aware of this. Currently, map, elevation data, and also routing data are downloaded separately. It has also its advantages: you may just download elevation or routing data without the need to download the map itself (if you use any other than LoMap). We will anyway try to improve it ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Saturo on March 24, 2021, 20:58:09
Well, i came from Cachebox, maybe i go back.
Maybe i'm not the only one.

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 24, 2021, 21:07:28
That's amazing on the Android > so many options  :).

Saturo, don't get me wrong. I'm trying to do some updates and also find a compromise. Fact that updates do not fit all people's needs is logical. For people like you, who do not like changes in functionality that are core for their use-case, will be still perfectly working Locus Map Pro/Classic version ... or a Cachebox!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 24, 2021, 22:05:45
Downloaded LM4 "free" from Playstore yetserday.
Tried a silver/gold function and followed the subscription process that was offered - chose Gold and got it. At least for me it seemed to work even without new version from tonight/tomorrow.
I trust the glitches will be sorted for everybody very soon.

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 24, 2021, 22:14:32
app manual: ah, then it is correct. On top, you see "locusmap.app" domain. Michal just does not had yet enough time to rewrite and create screenshots for all pages. It will be done during the next months ...
@menion @Michal even just a quick & dirty "draft" or "3.51 content yet to be updated to 4" added to the top of a key page(s) may reduce confusion.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: T-mo on March 24, 2021, 23:34:42
LM4, went premium (Pro in 2012 ;D)
- ads have temporarily gone - at start, later back
- Locus Store not accessible
- choosed POI Alert as functionality - still subscription notes, function then not usable. After notes, the ads reappear :) still like this funky 90-style
- still 'Go Premium' (polishing)
- Locus is noted correctly in GooglePlayStore as subscription (still did my screenshot during process)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 25, 2021, 00:46:02
After going Gold I started to test sync.
While the web view tells me there is nothing uploaded (correct after Asamm cleanup some time ago), LM4 shows "points downloading" - while there is still nothing to be seen in the web, except the list of track groups - all of them empty.
How can there be a heavy and lenghty (20 mins to get to 7%!) download - from NOTHING? But the device is heating like crazy and burning battery.
To me this sync thing is still a mess. Intransparent, and maybe even unreliable (I will know after completion and further tests).
The least I do exepct is:
- a LIST of actions planned - drill down (i.e. summary at folder/group level, "+" to expand), for both, tracks and points (where are the points in the web view, BTW?)
- check boxes (all checked initially) to give control to the user
- once executing: progress indication in detail, not just % (e.g. # done/to be done per folder/group)
TXs and cheers
Michael
 
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 25, 2021, 07:27:09
To me this sync thing is still a mess. Intransparent, and maybe even unreliable (I will know after completion and further tests).
The least I do exepct is:
- a LIST of actions planned - drill down (i.e. summary at folder/group level, "+" to expand), for both, tracks and points (where are the points in the web view, BTW?)
- check boxes (all checked initially) to give control to the user
- once executing: progress indication in detail, not just % (e.g. # done/to be done per folder/group)
I support this "overview before the deed" idea! I also still even in recent betas had sync hiccups, so I'm definitely not at a point where I trust it completely. I will keep my personal backup-restore system (of full db with FolderSync) ready for a while.
Menion, at the least bring back those "debug" options to store all to server/overwrite all from server. You need to have a fallback if something goes wrong, but the user knows where the correct data is right now.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 25, 2021, 07:38:38
Next checks:
- after hours of work on the "master" device, the web database is still empty (the folders are there, but empty)
- tapping sync on this device restart "downloading" from the empty web database. Again slow, will take hours again, Isuppose.
- now try ningotherr device (all of them had no Locus running while master sync):
-- my Gold status is not recognized
-- when trying to sync, the subscription screen comes up, but chosing my google account end up in a "loading" forever
- the new version Menion mentioned has not been offered by Google PLay yet.
Good luck ...
And who is going to fix this sync thing, please?
TXs and cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 25, 2021, 08:00:24
Story to illustrate my "sync-trust-issues":
After public beta got out, I could finally sync my main device again. Worked fine, only uploads to/deletions on server. Synced on second device, also fine. Then immediately synced on second device again: There were changes! I checked the database, and everything seemed to be fine, so probably just "identical overwrites", but these things are disconcerting and undermine trust.
At the very least we should have the option to get a detailed list of executed sync ops to check integrity after the fact. And, as mentioned above, forced upload/download operations back.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: sbouju on March 25, 2021, 09:38:33
I gave a try yesterday to the live tracking fonction from Locus "Gold"...
Is it something which particularily drain the phone battery ?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: ADiet on March 25, 2021, 09:56:12
Yesterday I changed from V14 beta to 4.0.0 Gold. Sync tested, it works. Thank you to all Beta testers for this excellent version.
@Menion Very good job.

Axel

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: janaton on March 25, 2021, 10:05:47
 @michaelbechtold Thank you for your feedback. I am already looking into your synced data that I have on the server. I can see a lot of points uploaded but no tracks so I am just guessing that synchronization process did not start sending tracks, yet. That is the reason why you can not see any tracks in the web planner.

Regarding battery drain - yes, there is constant http communication and also a lot of operation to the local LM database so I would not be surprised by more power consumption ... but I am not Android developer so rather wait for @menion for his opinion. It is fore sure possible something not optimal is happening there ...   
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 25, 2021, 10:36:52
New version 4.0.0 - RC2 available on Google Play in the Beta channel.

The main changes are related to the subscription system. Hope that all current Pro users will correctly see better prices and subscription flow will work correctly.

@michaelbechtold
I still owe you one answer over email, so I'll write you there.

About sync overwrite (as you wrote with @slarti76) > if the system will be 99.9% reliable, something like this won't be needed. And I believe, it won't take long. Hmm ... I'll think about it. "Keep it simple" is the core idea here. Any complicated info or tools that allows deleting device or server data are a big risk when used incorrectly, so I want(ed) to avoid them if possible ...

@Andrew Heard
I know I know ... I'm trying to push Michal a little bit, he will love me :)

@T-mo
seems your "Premium" does not work at all. Please try this new version once it will be available. Maybe re-login (over Locus Store for now) if no change after the display of the "My subscriptions" screen in the app.

@sbouju
I do not see a reason, why this feature should consume extra power. Well, be aware that it: keeps the device awake, use your GPS and use network connection. These features are really hungry ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 25, 2021, 12:01:05
@michaelbechtold Thank you for your feedback. I am already looking into your synced data that I have on the server. I can see a lot of points uploaded but no tracks so I am just guessing that synchronization process did not start sending tracks, yet. That is the reason why you can not see any tracks in the web planner.

Regarding battery drain - yes, there is constant http communication and also a lot of operation to the local LM database so I would not be surprised by more power consumption ... but I am not Android developer so rather wait for @menion for his opinion. It is fore sure possible something not optimal is happening there ...   

Hi Janaton and Menion,
as it seems the amok already starts with the waypoint DB (6 MB originally), and sync did not reach the track DB work before it broke in the morning.

As the numbers are massive, I am well aware that transferring would take time and energy. I observed and mentioned the drain, but not as a complaint.

Good luck with the data that I uploaded as per Menions PM.
Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Jochen on March 25, 2021, 12:16:31
@menion: Everything is fine now :-) . I bought the Gold Version for 11.99 Euro.

Good luck for you and your team.

Kind regards

Jochen
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 25, 2021, 12:25:09
...
@michaelbechtold
I still owe you one answer over email, so I'll write you there.

About sync overwrite (as you wrote with @slarti76) > if the system will be 99.9% reliable, something like this won't be needed. And I believe, it won't take long. Hmm ... I'll think about it. "Keep it simple" is the core idea here. Any complicated info or tools that allows deleting device or server data are a big risk when used incorrectly, so I want(ed) to avoid them if possible ...
...
Thank you Menion for the PM - answer and data provided via PM.
Simplicity versus power is the battlefield Locus lives in since day 1, right?
And the principle answer has always "advanced mode", full text search in settings and alike, not cutting down Locus to Google Maps level.
So, why deviate here? Just offer a detail mode as described - the necessary data you all have.
And by de-selecting planned actions you would not delete things, right?
If so (things getting deleted somehow, on other device e.g.), then the sync concept itself would be highly dangerous - inherently - anyway. And again such detail mode would help to prevent distruction. Because you would see entries in the tree like
==================
Sync Plan:
Folder/Group         Uploads      Downloads         Deletions
- Africa                         100              20                          5    (plus, if expanded)
-- Morocco                    80              15                          1
-- South Africa              20                5                          4
- Europe                          0                 0                          0
...
                                        [ ]                [ ]                          [ ]   
==================
The brackets would allow a user to de-select a type of actions completely, without going through dozens or 100s of lines :-)
It's the deletions I am scared of, too, ...

Some good news (with a bit of salt, though): the new version recognized the Gold status on two additional device now. BUT LM4 started as free version with Ads and only after selecting a silver/gold function and running through the subscription process LM4 would work as gold without ads and with the features.
Also: while the Google box shows the subscription data correctly, LM4 offers to subscribe again with the button just 1 cm below.

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Frivold on March 25, 2021, 12:40:36
The upgrade to Gold works for me to! Thanks.

But there is another case: When I try to download elevation-data in Norway, i get this message:
"Sorry, can't download such a big area. Please select a smaller one or zoom the map in."

 Isn't it possible to download elevetion-data for whole Norway, when I can download the map for whole Norway? How can i zoom in or select smaller area?


Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 25, 2021, 12:53:07
Upgrade to Gold worked.

A serious export/import problem? I export multiple tracks to single gpx. Tracks have embedded waypoints.

On import this gpx, LM3 and LM4 do only offer to save the waypoints in a points folder. So their link to the track gets lost. This is crucial for me, my embedded WPs are only interesting in a track/tour context!

Recognized it, because I was reorganizing my LM3/LM4 dbs in order to use sync.

Lomaps and themes, is it planned to make them Mapsforge V4 maps?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 25, 2021, 13:12:11
Tapio's post made me look at a LoMap and I noticed that the zoom level indicator is two different from the OAM vector map. Just switch between the two. Happens with overlays and without.

@janaton: can you pls. clean up my sync map data on your server? I have deleted the orphan entries in the waypoint DB, but there are still 30k valid ones left. Many of them with turn instructions, though.
Are they used by Locus somehow, somewhere? For sure I did not enter them manually :-)
TXs and cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Viajero Perdido on March 25, 2021, 15:12:35
Hi.  Just did some sofa-testing of the pre-release version.  Using it in free mode for now.

I looked at a geocache I'd loaded via GPX.  It didn't show the favorite points (shown as "-", likely because not included in GPX), so I went Update.  Now, I couldn't find the section showing favorite points, the top of the scrolling panel I guess.  Had to exit that view and re-tap the geocache to see it.  A bug?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Diddi on March 25, 2021, 15:15:08
Hi.  Just did some sofa-testing of the pre-release version.

I looked at a geocache I'd loaded via GPX.  It didn't show the favorite points (shown as "-", likely because not included in GPX), so I went Update.  Now, I couldn't find the section showing favorite points, the top of the scrolling panel I guess.  Had to exit that view and re-tap the geocache to see it.  A bug?

It's a known bug. Somebody reported it before. unfortunately Menion couldn't simulate it. I have it, too.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: ADiet on March 25, 2021, 16:34:50
I also found a bug in the dashboard. I use the dark mode in locus since it is possible. Now I wanted to add a new icon to the dashboard, this was white, the available ones are black. The text inside the icon is not visible and a white icon can be seen bad in the map.
Could it be, that the color of the icons are complementary to the dark mode?

Axel

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 25, 2021, 19:00:21
Quote
Hmm, now what I do differently?
- log a cache offline
- later tap on the log and choose "edit"
- pick an existing photo and tap on save

exactly my process, I'll test it next week and report back.

Question:
i own a temporary disabeled geocache, after cache maintenance i want to enable it again with locus but this option is not available to me ?! yes i´m logged in ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 25, 2021, 19:08:04
@ tapio
Quote
Tracks have embedded waypoints/
= Navigation Waypoints ?
No. All others. Nav wp, if existed, filtered out on export.
If it's a multi gpx file, wpts are existing in the file, they are just not re-embedded  into the track on db side.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 25, 2021, 19:28:23
2 error
1. When I click on a free area, long. Then I will see the information about this location. When I wipe the window down, the information is closed. But now an icon is displayed on the map. I always have to wipe in front of the down in the 3 point menu, select hide.
That was not so before. There was the card without icon.

2. I open Map Content Panel. Turn LOPOINT offline visible. Then I tried the panel. But on the map the POI will not be displayed. I open the panel again and the LOPOI offline are no longer displayed.
That was not yesterday yet. What has changed since yesterday:
1. New update
2. A subscription made for gold.


Error 2 is now ok. Either it has some time needed after gold purchase. Or the restart of the app was needed after gold purchase.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: T-mo on March 25, 2021, 21:31:29
@T-mo
seems your "Premium" does not work at all. Please try this new version once it will be available. Maybe re-login (over Locus Store for now) if no change after the display of the "My subscriptions" screen in the app.
check this out: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-9nHkimo_wojf6aVE9pFMVruCsGJZAaq/view? (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-9nHkimo_wojf6aVE9pFMVruCsGJZAaq/view?usp=drivesdk)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 25, 2021, 22:21:52
@T-mo
seems your "Premium" does not work at all. Please try this new version once it will be available. Maybe re-login (over Locus Store for now) if no change after the display of the "My subscriptions" screen in the app.
check this out: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-9nHkimo_wojf6aVE9pFMVruCsGJZAaq/view? (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-9nHkimo_wojf6aVE9pFMVruCsGJZAaq/view?usp=drivesdk)
Is your "Android System WebView" component up to date? Play Store. There was a widespread crash problem recently.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: T-mo on March 25, 2021, 23:21:00
Is your "Android System WebView" component up to date? Play Store. There was a widespread crash problem recently.
yes, it's that recent update of the problem-update, it's 89.0.4389.105. Thanks.
LocusPro-Store works by the way. I'll wait, sth.'s wrong somewhere, no nerves for install-tests currently
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: didado on March 26, 2021, 10:16:20
I'm running the beta on several devices. On the Carpe Iter tablet (motorbike) which runs android 8.1 I can not import tracks from Google Drive.

Locus does not finish Googel Drive login. After I press Allow it never finishes. I tried it 5 times including reboots etc

Yet I gave Locus World  permission to my Google Drive on another device also with the premium beta
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 26, 2021, 10:26:12
@michaelbechtold
correct, "simplicity vs advanced features" is the battlefield for many years :).

So, why deviate here? Because what you suggest about selecting what to sync
a) completely break synchronization system > your data will partially be synced, partially doesn't!
b) even if it may be doable, anyone has to do it, maybe an even bigger problem :)

I've at least created "Compute plan" option in the re-visible "Advanced options" in the sync screen. This will start real sync, but right after the app knows what will happens next, it stops and prints the result on the screen. So you may see if anything will be deleted etc. At least something for now. This, I believe, is a good concept, currently with terrible UI presentation. Something to start with ...

@Frivold
Gold, perfect :)
Elevation data in Norway > ah, fixed, the limit was too strict.

@tapio
may you share the track(s) you try to import? Thanks

LoMaps on MapsForge V4: we wanted to work on this, but because LoMaps works still quite nice I believe, we decided to do more useful tasks for now. So later for sure, just not sure when ...

@Viajero Perdido
damn, exactly this was already reported by two people and I still can't simulate this problem on my own device  :-[ ... ah, as @Diddi wrote below. It is a problem. It all looks perfectly bullet-proof in code and on my Pixel2 as well. Weird ...

@ADiet
good observation. As I see, internal icons are black in normal light mode and are changed to white (when adding) in dark mode. This is not correct I believe because the background of the dashboard (the map itself) does not change its color. I'll fix this.
Is this problem you have or you add your own external icons and you want to colorize it based on the light/dark mode?

@balloni55
hmm as I see, if app recognizes you as an owner, you should in the list of possible types of logs, see header "Owner" and below options "Owner maintenance", "temporarily disabled listing" or "enable listing" and "announcement". You do not see it there? Give me cache code, I'll test it. Btw. logged to geocaching account is not important here. App, based on the old system, still recognizes the owner by the name defined in Locus Map geocaching settings > "Your (owner's) name".

@freischneider
ah good point with "long click". Thanks, fixed.

@T-mo
check mainly content of the "Go Premium" screen, where should try to re-detect valid subscription.

@didado
Carpe Iter, hmm. Do you know what web browser is there? May you also give it a try and install and use for this "Google Chrome" from the Google Play?

EDIT: it looks to me, that we should start splitting some topics into separate posts  :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: didado on March 26, 2021, 11:05:35

@didado
Carpe Iter, hmm. Do you know what web browser is there? May you also give it a try and install and use for this "Google Chrome" from the Google Play?

EDIT: it looks to me, that we should start splitting some topics into separate posts  :)

I have Chrome on the CI. Locus is not opening the Chrome browser separately. But Locus already has permission to access Drive or is this per device?

Also for the life of me I can not find the Zoom + and - buttons anywhere?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 26, 2021, 11:09:37
Search for "zoom buttons" in settings.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 26, 2021, 11:18:06
Question: While I record a track, ie I am out in the wild, will autosync do syncing on the currently recorded track? Will it do any syncing related connect, if I do not change points and tracks?

My question is because I have battery usage in mind. I think to be on the safe side I am wishing for an option to allow manual sync over mobile networks, but disallow auto sync.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 26, 2021, 11:35:11
Quote
@balloni55
hmm as I see, if app recognizes you as an owner, you should in the list of possible types of logs, see header "Owner" and below options "Owner maintenance", "temporarily disabled listing" or "enable listing" and "announcement". You do not see it there? Give me cache code, I'll test it
https://coord.info/GC6TRTQ
the cache title is not crossed out in this window
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: GMDD on March 26, 2021, 13:53:38

Pro users anyway receive one year of the Silver for free or Gold with a 50% discount, which both compensate the price of the Pro version.

I have been a pro user for years, unfortunately I am not offered a discount.  Too bad.  but I don't want to buy the "pig in a poke" for full price.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 26, 2021, 14:32:48
@didado

@tapio
Good question. Auto-sync is triggered by
a) notification from the web portal that something has changed (new content from the web planner or finished sync of any other device that modified data)
b) change in the local database, so new saved/deleted point/track/group

Track recording itself does not start sync, no matter if you pause etc. Anyway, in the moment you finish recording and save the recorded track, after that, the sync should start (a moment later).

Divide manual sync > all networks, automatic > wi-fi sounds logical. I'm adding this to list of ideas to consideration, thanks.

@balloni55
check my two screenshots below. Do you have the same name in app settings? Then app recognizes that you are the owner.

@GMDD
Do not buy a pig!
Do you have working Locus Map Pro logged into Locus Store with the same account on your device? Please double check it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 26, 2021, 15:18:46
Quote
check my two screenshots below. Do you have the same name in app settings?
thanks a lot :)
name was missing....
now expected log options are available 8)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 26, 2021, 15:21:46
Main menu:
Order of the submenu.
"My subscription" is not often needed. Actually only once. This point could be completely down.
"Settings" are often needed. This point can be completely up.
My subscription is still the pro before. That does not exist anymore. Missed gold or silver.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Mapper on March 26, 2021, 15:56:12
@Menion: could you reproduce my problem with the GPS symbol not turning green again after turning off/on the screen (and the GPS)?

It's very convenient to see quickly by the green color there is a GPS fix.
LM pro and LM 4 free both have this problem.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 26, 2021, 16:30:08
I reported this before, but it still happens sometimes: When editing a track and deleting (either a point or a section), sometimes the track disappears and nothing can be selected anymore. Have to leave Track Editor and start it again. If I remember correctly, Menion, you fixed something, and it definitely happens less (RC2), but it's not gone.

And another minor sync observation:
I have a track displayed on Device A and then edit this track on Device B and sync it to A. Sync works, but track is not displayed anymore. Not just "not displayed on map", but the Eye icon is also deselected now.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: GMDD on March 26, 2021, 17:19:46


@GMDD
Do not buy a pig!
Do you have working Locus Map Pro logged into Locus Store with the same account on your device? Please double check it. Thanks.

Sorry, das war ein Übersetzungsfehler von Google, ich spreche kein Englisch.
Ich bin mit beiden Versionen auf dem Gerät in dasselbe Konto eingeloggt, mir wird die Wahl zwischen Gold und Silber angezeigt, aber leider der volle Preis, kein Rabatt
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on March 26, 2021, 17:46:17
@ Gmdd
do you have the same google account? do you have the same Locus Store account?
Are you registered in the locus store?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: ADiet on March 26, 2021, 17:50:16
I had today a problem with the display activation.
When activated with gestures, in the forest with my mtb, the screen switches by itself  off and on, when the light changes from dark to bright. This make me crazy, I want to save the battery while riding my bike.

Is there a setting to adjust the sensivity of the approximity sensor?

Axel

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 26, 2021, 19:31:00
@freischneider
I would like to keep the bottom in a fixed order. What may help you, and based on "thanks" not just you, is simply adding "Settings" to the top grid. This should cause, the settings at the bottom will be removed.

@Mapper
I believe I've found a reason for this small problem. Try the next version and let me know, thanks.

@slarti76
Hmm, I remember also that I wasn't sure if the fix will be enough, damn.

Sync: yes, this is quite possible. Nice observation, thanks. I'm adding both problems to my list, no critical, but at least the sync problem is definitely solvable, thanks slarti!

@GMDD
@freischneider: just for the record: the account used in Google Play is not important > Locus Map has no clue about which account is used, it is unknown information for apps.

Anyway, if you have Locus Map 4 and also Locus Map Pro on your device installed at once and you are logged in Locus Store in Locus Map Pro and you still do not see better prices, send me to please private message with your email (and if you send also a screenshot of side menus in Locus Store with your email account, it will be also welcome) you use for login to Locus Store, I'll check it, thanks,

@ADiet
Was this problem of proximity? If I remember correctly, app only receives "true" / "false" values based on fact if proximity is covered or not. Maybe it changed, do not know now. Anyway no settings in Locus Map is currently possible for this feature.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 26, 2021, 20:32:23
Sorry to bring this up this late, but I noticed some problems with offline LoPoints. It's only today that I found out. I want to report these problems:

PS: No problems during the activation of my Gold subscription ;-)

edit changed my description about manually enabled LoPoint: they're not a separate database (https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:user_guide:points:locus_maps_pois). Added question about the style of LoPoints
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: ADiet on March 26, 2021, 21:16:13
Yes it is the proximity sensor. It switches, if a specified darkness is reached. Could you set this sensitivity a little lower?

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Viajero Perdido on March 26, 2021, 22:51:47
Good news.  RC2 appears to have fixed the bug I mentioned, the disappearance of some geocache info after "update" or "download logs".

I did a bunch of sofa testing, changing one thing each time, but could reproduce the bug 100% of the time.  Then I noticed the update available, so I updated to RC2 and also updated G4L, after which I couldn't reproduce the problem at all.  (Though I didn't try as hard with different scenarios this time.)  This is with my old Android 6 phone.

BTW, a comment about the UI in the geocaching panel.  It strikes me as odd that in the lower part of that panel is a "Geocaching" heading.  But everything above that heading is specific to geocaching too.

But overall, looking good!

PS, "load all waypoints" only loads those within the field of view.  Have to zoom out to see which direction.  Happens in Pro too, but I don't remember this.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 27, 2021, 06:34:31
Good question. Auto-sync is triggered by
a) notification from the web portal that something has changed
Ah OK, this would require cron like http connects and checks if there were changes. Not required (and unwanted battery consumption) for me when on a hiking tour. Indeed, would be great if sync over mobile networks could be on, but only manually triggered.
Title: Night mode doesn't follow system settings
Post by: auric on March 27, 2021, 08:25:48
I have automatic night mode enabled. However, it doesn't follow the system settings. When dark mode is enabled system wide, the Locus Map 4 interface turns dark, but the map itself doesn't...

I probably noticed today because the sun rises earlier and I stayed in bed longer (weekend, you know )
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 27, 2021, 10:18:27
I have always noticed an inconsistency in the UI. Now I looked closer. It is about the placement of "Select all" in a file browser context vs. tracks in the data viewer.

It's a bit confusing for me every time, please see screenshots.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: JackRussel on March 27, 2021, 11:48:39
It is possible to use Locus Map Watch for Samsung with LM4 ?

I have LM3 and LM4 gold on Andoid 8. I start LM4 and now a record.
On the watch I start Locus Map Watch und show the Map.

On Android 8 Locus try to start LM3. The Error Message on the Watch is "no connecting possible".

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 27, 2021, 11:51:38
@auric
1. yes, this is possible. Currently, LoPoins are no longer directly connected to the map and live partially their own life. So it may be possible, that three databases are working at once.
It is not a usual situation and a big problem, so I've just at least added a check on duplicities based on the name and coordinates. Let me know if this helped.

2. Hmm this settings most probably no longer works in Locus Map 4. Please open the left "Map content" panel and here is an option for LoPoins online and also separate for LoPoints offline.

3. All categories have their own defined icon/style. When points are displayed automatically, it always uses a style of the currently selected Vector theme for V3 maps. When you display them manually, it is used the predefined style of the category. This will be changed someday :).

We are finalizing base content for online LoPoints and the next step will be to convert this to offline together with new UI & control.

Automatic night mode: you mean coloring of the map, right? It does not use any system settings. It is based on the compute of sunrise/sunset by the app itself.

@ADiet
I'm checking what I may do with sensor sensitivity and ... nothing. The app only receives true/false values, so sorry,  can't help here. Maybe some other settings like "two waves" or turning screen by double tap on the screen (some devices support this) ...

@Viajero Perdido
thanks for testing! If fixed, then only as a side effect of any other change.

"Geocaching" heading ... you are right. I like these heading to clearly separate parts of UI. Any idea what to put here instead of "Geocaching"? "Geocache metadata" is too geeky  :)

"Load all waypoints" ... Hmm, I've detected that the app does not draw waypoints in some cases when the bottom point dialog is visible ... maybe it is related. Fixed.

@tapio
Nono, don't understand me bad. You get notifications also on the mobile network. These notifications are controlled by Google Play services. I just wanted to say, that such notification may result in the sync task being done.

Inconsistency: thanks, this should be probably improved, I'll look at it.

@JackRussel
For LM4, use a version of the app for Locus Map Free. We just need to rename it once LM4 will be official.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Mapper on March 27, 2021, 12:41:51

@Mapper
I believe I've found a reason for this small problem. Try the next version and let me know, thanks.

@Menion
Thanks, it works again, the GPS icon changes green again after regaining a GPS fix.  :)
Hope to see it in the next LM pro also.

One more question about the pro (later to be called 'classic') version: how long do you think the classic version will get v3 updates, will that be a year or even longer? I really like v3 and are in great doubt about upgrading to silver...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 27, 2021, 12:54:28
..
 I really like v3 and are in great doubt about upgrading to silver...
...
Just try silver, while continuing to use LM3 in parallel. This is my setup and it works just fine.
@Menion: will such survive the final move to renaming etc. ?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Pcmann on March 27, 2021, 15:00:48
Hello,
I apologize for the English translation via the translator, but I don't speak English.
Thank you for a good job, I have already switched to Gold and there was no problem.
I use Locus mainly for geocaching and track logs where I moved.
I found a problem with geocaching when I open a cache that has waypoints, eg https://coord.info/GC4V0DW (it has 8 waypoints).
The basic panel with information about the cache will open, but when I want to look at the waypoints, they will not open, but the message "Cannot do with an unsaved point" will appear.
I only look at waypoints when I open the cache in the browser.
From that basic screen I open Logs, TB objects but not waypoints.
The last thing. It would not be possible to bookmark a discussion about Locus in the Czech or Slovak language. Thank you
Zdravím,
Omlouvám se za anglický překlad přes translator ale anglicky neumím.
Děkuji za dobrou práci, už jsem přešel na Zlato a problém nebyl žádný.
Locus požívám především na geocaching a záznamy trasy, kde jsem se pohyboval.
U geocachingu jsem zjistil problém, když otevřu cache, která má waypointy např. https://coord.info/GC4V0DW (ta má 8 waypointu).
Otevře se sice základní panel s informacemi o cache, ale když se chci podívat na waypointy, ty se neotevřou, ale objeví se hláška "Nelze provést s neuloženým bodem".
Na waypointy se podívám jen když otevřu cache v prohlížeči.
Z té základní obrazovky otevřu Logy, TB předměty ale waypointy ne.
Poslední věc. Nešlo by udělat záložku pro diskuzi o Locusu v českém či slovenském jazyce. Děkuji
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Viajero Perdido on March 27, 2021, 15:42:47
"Any idea what to put here instead of "Geocaching"? "Geocache metadata" is too geeky"

"Basics" maybe?

Not an ideal suggestion, because the stuff far above (D/T, size) would count as "basics" too.  It's not possible to combine the two sections, is it?  Both sections seem, to me, conceptually the same, even though there's other stuff between.

Distance and Altitude, currently at the very top, would seem to belong at the very bottom, along with coordinates under "Location", no?

The whole thing is organized in a way that doesn't make sense to me, I'm afraid.  Of course I can get used to it.

Roughly the same order as on a cache page?  Logs at the bottom, but - unlike a cache page - coordinates also near the bottom as they are now, because in this app nobody cares about the actual coordinates.  (On the web page, you might need to key them into a GPS unit, so coords are important.  In a map app, they're a housekeeping detail.)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 27, 2021, 16:39:00
https://coord.info/GC984VH
Listing preview???
if i click on more text and fotos are displayed
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Pcmann on March 27, 2021, 17:31:39
Zdravím,
Geocaching apps v Locusu ve verzi 3.51.1 byla skoro dokonalá. Nešlo by zapracovat Geocaching apps i do  verze 4.0.0. Zobrazování Geocaching apps v nové verzi je moc těžkopádné a málo intuivní.
Hello,
Geocaching apps in Locus version 3.51.1 was almost perfect. It would not be possible to incorporate Geocaching apps into version 4.0.0. Displaying Geocaching apps in the new version is very cumbersome and not very intuitive.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Pcmann on March 27, 2021, 17:34:20
to ballani55:  I have the same thing.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 28, 2021, 09:02:37
1.  I've just at least added a check on duplicities based on the name and coordinates. Let me know if this helped.

I don't know whether the fix is already live, but I don't see any difference yet. Maybe because for some reason, the points don't seem to have the exact same coordinates (very small variation)

2. Hmm this settings most probably no longer works in Locus Map 4. Please open the left "Map content" panel and here is an option for LoPoins online and also separate for LoPoints offline.

Enable/disable from the sidebar works indeed

Automatic night mode: you mean coloring of the map, right? It does not use any system settings. It is based on the compute of sunrise/sunset by the app itself.
That's indeed what I mean. It might be a good idea for an improvement to make it configurable: "follow daylight" or "use system settings"  ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 28, 2021, 11:05:24
"Track rec visibility - auto hide"
Set via presets. Rec. button does not hide, at least while recording.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 28, 2021, 11:19:48
"Track rec visibility - auto hide"
Set via presets. Rec. button does not hide, at least while recording.

Isn't that exactly what you want? Optionally hide it when it's not recording, but when it is, keep it in view?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: slarti76 on March 28, 2021, 11:22:47
"Track rec visibility - auto hide"
Set via presets. Rec. button does not hide, at least while recording.

Isn't that exactly what you want? Optionally hide it when it's not recording, but when it is, keep it in view?
My understanding, too.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Diddi on March 28, 2021, 20:39:27
First time in field today with new public beta. Have been in a cache tour. Locus crashed about 10 times.
Active target guiding (Zielführung in German) to a cache. Clicking on another cache on map crashed locus several time ( but not everyone).
Furthermore I get an error when trying to send field notes . 3rd attempt was successful.

Diddi
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 28, 2021, 20:43:09

Furthermore I get an error when trying to send field notes . 3rd attempt was successful.
for your info, this afternoon GS page was down ~2 hours
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 28, 2021, 22:09:15

for your info, this afternoon GS page was down ~2 hours
Ahh yes, I experienced the same issue. I found that Locus became unresponsive after trying to load a cache (which failed). But after several seconds, the app unfroze and I could work with it normally

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 29, 2021, 08:23:13
@Mapper
Pro version: currently I do not want to give any promises. I expect long (+- 5 years), but maybe there will be just a few people left after a year or two so we speed up the transfer to LM4.

@michaelbechtold
renaming of Locus Map Pro > Locus Classic will be most probably done when LM 4.1 with web planner V2 will be published.

@Pcmann
[CZ] Díky, tohle by mohlo fungovat. Jen zobrazení waypointů, tedy ne jejich editace či přidávání, by neměl  být problém. Tak v další verzi.
A českou sekci ... stačí využít eixstující kategorii: https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?board=28.0

"Geocaching apps" > tomu nerozumím.

@Viajero Perdido
I've just removed "Geocaching" label but left the horizontal divider line.

Distance and altitude > I do not agree. Mainly distance is crucial information where coordinates themselves are usually quite useless.

And compare the app with the web cache page? Both pages have completely different use-case. You use the app usually in the field, and you usually need cache parameters D/T etc, and not coordinates. And if so, the small scroll is not a problem, right?

@balloni55
thanks, the issue with the description fixed. The photo still won't be correctly visible, but important here is a speed of display of this dialog, not 100% precise display of description.

@auric
1. different coordinates? Why? Hmm, then it of course can't work.

@diddi
"Crashed 10 times". Oki, thanks for the precise bug report. RC3 version? Steps to reproduce crashes?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Diddi on March 29, 2021, 08:34:26
@menion:
See link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qif4f1pf0t8s4lu/21-03-29-08-28-51.mp4?dl=0
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 29, 2021, 13:23:45
Quote
    Hmm, now what I do differently?
    - log a cache offline
    - later tap on the log and choose "edit"
    - pick an existing photo and tap on save


exactly my process, I'll test it next week and report back.
today "add foto to log" work as expected :)

other small issue
my settings: screen alway on
generally it work :)
today i found that on opened geocache windows
- listing > more
- waypoints
- logs
close after time set in android settings "screen-timeout"
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: baegas on March 29, 2021, 13:48:11
We are happy to solve the problem of not being able to save in Dropbox in this new RC3 version, but the same problem is occurring in OneDrive, please check.
Have a nice day, thank you :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Doggy on March 29, 2021, 21:05:53
[CZ]
Bohužel mi můj mobil při pokusu o získání Gold předplatného vždy havaruje. Posílal jsem diagnostická data.
Xiaomi Redmi 3S Android 6 MIUI 10
Locus 4.0.0. RC3

Edit: vyřešeno nainstalováním poslední verze z 30.3.2021
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 29, 2021, 22:11:00
TXs for the renaming timeline, Menion.
The essence of my question was about the future of coexistence of Classic and Free/Silver/Gold LM4.
Can you pls. advise?
TXs and cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 29, 2021, 22:27:54
"Track rec visibility - auto hide"
Set via presets. Rec. button does not hide, at least while recording.

Isn't that exactly what you want? Optionally hide it when it's not recording, but when it is, keep it in view?
Not what I want... but I understand the point of it. Probably good as it is for most ppl. No biggie, I turnit completely off. It's because I've got it in my toolbar and green indication there is enough for me.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 29, 2021, 23:12:02


1. different coordinates? Why? Hmm, then it of course can't work.

They're placed on slightly different spots, but the displayed coordinates when you tap on a point are the same. Maybe a rounding error?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Diddi on March 30, 2021, 07:14:29
Seems that the new version is official. Got an update
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 07:28:18
Yes, we are finally official  :-*

I'll re-organize a few categories on the forum and the new topic for LM4 is here: https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7273.0 .

Well, what to say ... is Thanks enough? Maybe not, but it is probably not important. I believe, you here are mostly satisfied with the changes we did last in almost two years. Weather at least in central Europe starting to be really nice so I wish you mainly: stay healthy (families as well) and enjoy at least a little hike & bike adventures. It is something that connects us right?  ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: auric on March 30, 2021, 07:37:50
Congratulations on the release

It's a magnificent redesign, fresh and enjoyable to use. And I particularly like the theme of the LoMaps both offline as online. It's beautiful and fresh. Thank you for the hard work these past months!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 30, 2021, 07:40:29
Congratulatios! Cannot reply in the new thread.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: lor74cas on March 30, 2021, 07:47:25
https://youtu.be/0VkrUG3OrPc

Congratulations

Inviato dal mio SM-A520F utilizzando Tapatalk

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 08:20:21
@lor74cas, hehe, this is funny :)

Thanks guys (replies in new thread fixed).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: tapio on March 30, 2021, 10:13:39
Improved in LM3 and LM4, great, thx.
I have always noticed an inconsistency in the UI. Now I looked closer. It is about the placement of "Select all" in a file browser context vs. tracks in the data viewer.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on March 30, 2021, 10:20:10
I believe that now it's a lot better, thanks for the "push". Confirm/cancel in the top toolbar was really confusing.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Pcmann on March 30, 2021, 10:51:34
Hello,

@Pcmann
[CZ] Thanks, this could work. Just displaying waypoints, not editing or adding them, should not be a problem. So in the next version.

Displaying waypoints, even with this cache where it did not work, is OK. https://coord.info/GC4V0DW (it has 8 waypoints),

"Geocaching apps"> I don't understand.
I put it wrong, I meant to display the cache when playing geocaching as in Locus 3.51.1.

Thanks for the good work.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Pcmann on March 30, 2021, 11:14:22
When I open the cache, the basic information about the cache is displayed, but how to close this information about the cache. Only when I put down the menu - three dots - hide, but then the cache disappears from the display. The problem then is to reset this cache again. It would not be possible to add to this tab with the information "Close, or put at the bottom of the" menu three dots - Close ".
Thank you.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: balloni55 on March 30, 2021, 12:57:23
Quote
but how to close this information about the cache
there are two options
- swipe down this info
- click hardware back butto
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Pcmann on March 31, 2021, 11:11:19
Thanks, it works.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Erelen on April 07, 2021, 09:14:50
In early beta there was "Zoom lock" in list of features, that I can add to bottom/side panel. And now I have this button in botton panel on my phone.
But now I don't see "Zoom lock" in list, and can't add in on tablet.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on April 08, 2021, 10:32:57
It was enabled in the Beta version only because I was not yet sure about this solution > I believed I find some better. But not yet and by accident, it was not enabled in the production version. Will be fixed in today's new version.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: rmth2 on April 08, 2021, 18:33:45
Quote
The final phase in creating Locus Map, version 4.

Today/tomorrow will be published a final version of LM4 into the public Beta channel on Google Play of Locus Map (Free) app. All systems are now up and ready.

Because I've not yet decided how Beta versions will be published, for now, this will be a regular public version that requires an active subscription. So no features will be unlocked like it was till now.

Final status
Locus Map Free > will be renamed to Locus Map (version 4+)
Locus Map Pro > name remains for now as is (for a month or two) till we will be 100% sure, LM4 is stable and perfectly working. Then it will be rename to Locus Classic. Version continue in 3.5+ row.

Final prices and comparison of functionality if you are interested: here. Silver tier is close to the current Locus Map Pro, but gives few bonuses, so something like the "Pro+" version.

Pro users
Locus Map 4 = Locus Map Free - so it remains like before, you may have both apps installed at once (Locus Map, Locus Classic). If data are stored in the root of the internal memory, data will be shared without any worry (for now, in September 2021 things starts to be more complicated, thanks to Google)

Pro users anyway receive one year of the Silver for free or Gold with a 50% discount, which both compensate the price of the Pro version.

FAQ

How to use Beta versions
- how to. The text is old but the bottom part with "What to do to become a tester" is perfectly valid.
- latest version wins, so a new regular update will update your Beta version and opposite
- settings, data, subscription, all remain untouched no matter which version you use!

Discount on the purchase as Pro user
- essential is, to use the Pro version logged into Locus Store with the same account you will use in the LM4
- steps: open in Locus Map Pro > menu > Locus Store. Check in the side panel account
- start Locus Map 4 > menu > Locus Store and check, the account is the same
- if you do not see the "Exclusive" offer, immediately send me PM with your email, I'll check it

Hi Menion,
I do not know it is good place on Forum to give my point of view about it but forgive me if not.
I have bought LM 3.x last month and I have found that some changes there are here.
As you wrote above current user can migrate to new 4.x version but....
I do not like and can not find out to subscription model. There is more people thinking in this same way. Mayby I am too old but it is why I always must search new services/product where is one paid model available.
I would like to stay here because your product is really fine.
Of course, I fully understand this business model of keeping labor costs, but even Microsoft with its Office suite still supports the Box version for one price...
So finally  ;) my question is: can you consider new, for example "bronze plan" with one fee (to calculate) where you have a classic version with "No Ads" and route plan enabled for current Pro users. So it would be possibility to chose which version bronze,silver or gold we want in migration plan.
Thank you for your attention

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: freischneider on April 08, 2021, 19:14:20
You can continue to use the PRO. She continues to get update.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Menion on April 08, 2021, 20:08:48
Hello rmth2,

we were thinking about this change for almost two years. A one-time fee is really not a sustainable model if you want to develop anything. Even a mentioned Microsoft publishes every year or two new versions that is again paid > it looks like a one-time fee but if you want to have always the latest version, it is the same as a subscription.

As @freischneider correctly wrote, simply stay with Pro if you are satisfied with it. It will be a perfectly updated working version, no shame to use it. Theoretically, it should be more stable than Locus Map 4, because I'll focus more on stability things than on creating completely new features.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: rmth2 on April 08, 2021, 21:03:36
Thank you @freischneider and @Menion.
If there is a possibility to stay on Pro version I am very satisfied. Yes, LM 3.x looks more stable and polished than 4.x but I understand it is early stage for new version.
My proposal with "Bronze" option even is less sustainable model for you but it is better than kept classic user with Ads on without a cent in my opinion. Mayby it can be time offered for example 3 years as you wrote about MS.
I like LM for planer and good maps. More things I prefer with my Garmin device so why I try to search option to support your work and my needs
Once again thank you for your hard work, great app and passion in creating this application
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (pre-release)
Post by: Andrew Heard on April 09, 2021, 00:16:42
Should this topic be locked to prevent further posts now there is official 4.0 - https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7273?