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Development => Discussion/New features => Locus Map (4+) => Topic started by: Menion on December 22, 2020, 12:20:09

Title: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on December 22, 2020, 12:20:09
The new base topic for discussion about soon coming to Locus Map (version 4).

When?
The realistic release date is in February 2021.

How to help?
Best to use it like the regular version and report possible problems & spread praise ;)

Latest version for download (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t1CYpIhHGZXjNBqOFUPQKTTvddj7VVCv?usp=sharing)

Sub-feature topics:
- Online LoMaps & Online LoPoints: here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7191.0)
- online/offline BRouter routing: here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7202.0)

What changes?
Locus Map Free > will be changed to Locus Map and actively developed. Changes in this topic will be included mainly in this version.
The system will be similar ... functionality for free will be +- equal to the current Locus Map Free. With an active subscription, current "Pro" features will be activated + a bunch of new features we work on last two years.

Locus Map Pro > will be changed to Locus Classic and will be in permanent maintenance mode. What does it mean? Still updated together with Locus Map with fixes and minor improvements to keep it fully working & stable. Ideal for users who like the current solution and don't like changes or planned subscription model. I believe, more than a fair offer ;).

To be fully fair, I rather do not want to say "forever". I personally set a minimal maintenance mode for five years. Work on both versions will bring the need for some extra time investment, so it depends on how much... But 5+ years is the minimum. And who knows what will be after five years ...

Reference (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=6817.0) to the older topic related to alpha testing.

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on December 22, 2020, 18:46:02
Hello menion
today i noticed missing icon of added app to sidepanel
Icons of several apps are missing inside selection window, with LMP all icons are displayed
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on December 22, 2020, 20:03:32
Hello menion
today i noticed missing icon of added app to sidepanel
Icons of several apps are missing inside selection window, with LMP all icons are displayed

Same with me. But only with some apps. Camera and Cache Calculator are displayed. WhatsApp is not displayed.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: T-mo on December 23, 2020, 08:11:56
Hello Menion
nice progress - as always. Thanks
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on December 23, 2020, 15:22:09
Behavior when moving the map with Hold Map Center:
Initial situation:
Map is fixed to GPS. Map rotation is switched on.

Now I move the map. Rotate map switches off but remains in the last orientation. After 5 seconds it jumps back to GPS position and rotate map is active again. (This behavior is a good thing)
Now I want to move the map and look for something. So that it doesn't jump back after 5 seconds, I have to constantly move something. Or I move and immediately click on GPS.
Then the map to the GPS is switched off (good that way). But map immediately turns north. It should stay in this orientation (as in the behavior above).
When I switch GPS on again, Locus has memorized that the map was previously fixed to GPS and fixes it again (good thing).
But Locus didn’t notice that map rotation was switched on.
Locus should remember the behavior and restore it.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on December 24, 2020, 08:19:54
As for the map center button. "Hold map" is the only menu option on longtap. A submenu with just one entry feels wrong. I think it would feel very right, if after longtap it toggles the hold state.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on December 24, 2020, 12:38:41
Just started to use this beta version and I have few points

1) click on geocache > click on Log cache as draft in bottom ribbon > window for Field note will appear > click on Cancel (don't want to log the cache) > old cache detail shows instead of the new one. I was expecting to be back on map with the new cache detail.

2) click on geocache > click on Waypoints > click on waypoint detail > if there is a link in description it's not possible to select it/click on it. In old cache detail if I long pressed on the link in description I was able to select the link and I got automatically option to open in Google Chrome.
-> it seems it's working when I create a new WP and add url to the description but it's not working if I have cache imported from Geoget and there's more text in the description then just URL


Overall it looks good and looking forward for more testing.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: flyingman_ch on December 27, 2020, 14:16:19
When geocaching, I miss the button to jump to the website of the cache.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on December 27, 2020, 14:31:33
When geocaching, I miss the button to jump to the website of the cache.
click on GC-code, it is clickable ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on December 27, 2020, 18:05:49
Hope everyone had nice holidays, despite the, ehm, "circumstances"...

Is this now also the place for cloud sync-related posts? https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7114.0 wasn't active for a while. So I'll post here.

So I finally did some actual real life testing of sync. What I first did was:

Now my take-aways:
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Viajero Perdido on December 27, 2020, 19:29:29
When geocaching, I miss the button to jump to the website of the cache.

Reminds me...  I spent a little time with the beta, sofa-testing, and recording a few tracks.  Apologies if any of my comments have been mentioned already; I haven't followed that other thread closely.

I like that I can set the compass page as a one-tap option from the map.  (I complained about that recently.)

I wish a tap on the geocache log ICONS would have the same effect as a tap on that tiny arrow, take me to the logs.  I use the logs a lot, and the arrow is a tiny target.

"Cursor distance to GP." is confusing.  Firstly, I can't imagine what "GP" is short for.  Secondly, isn't "cursor" the cross hair showing the map portion of interest?  That's my understanding of "cursor" in English.  Instead, this number appears to show the distance from current location to the selected point.  I would use "Current distance" as a label.

Somebody asked me to try switching between multi-cache waypoints.  Yes, looks good, I can use this.

Some POIs show bilingual, including a language I don't use, eg "PicnicSite/Picknickplatz".  (An OAM issue?)  If I switch between POI sets, they seem to accumulate so several appear at each point.  In the past this has been useful: I'd select a LoMap to activate the POIs, then an OAM map because I like those better (V4!!!).  (But usually I don't enable POIs; find them a bit distracting.)

Overall, looks great!  I see you've been busy.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on December 29, 2020, 07:42:18
Hi guys,
sorry for a delay in my answers ...

@balloni
missing icons ... hmm interesting side-effect. Thanks, I think I've found it!

@T-mo
- route planner > got it, thanks
- search > hmm app still look for old "Search" screen, but we have new (search & LoPoins in one) ... fixed, thanks.
- Nominatim as is not made for public usage (based on their logical "Terms of use"). I'll try to implement and test the MapBox search system. Later we may try to install Nominatim on our own server ...

@freischneider
Thanks for the description, but I'll need more precise steps as I'm unable to follow it ...
- turn on centering & rotation
- move with map, map stop rotate
- long click on the GPS icon in the toolbar and turn GPS off
- map is still rotated by the last value. I also see "centering active" (hold center) and a small compass icon above
- when I then turn GPS back on, it immediately starts center & rotates like at start ...

@tapio
interesting idea! ... hmm, isn't there missing the "Set custom GPS position" feature from Locus Map Pro? It depends on how much is this feature usable and if "toggle" should replace it.

@Raddino
1) Log your visit > ah, thanks very much!! "Log your visit" from the top-right menu (when the button is not at the bottom panel) works correctly, but here was by mistake the incorrect method. Thanks, fixed!

2) Hmm I'll need some sample GPX file here for the test, thanks

@slarti76
thanks for very complex test!
In the three point, you made a "full sync". App anyway compare duplications only based on internal generated ID, not by the content of points/tracks so result was a duplication of data. This feature is mainly useful as fallback if you notice that any local data or server data were not correctly synchronized and do not want to upload/download. Anyway description should be more precise, thanks for the tip.

Visible track is interesting. Probably some track that was on the A device deleted, but remain on the screen?

Auto-sync starts after 30 seconds when nothing changes in the database. Anyway it is still necessary to start it manually on the second device. Full-automatic (so sync also on other devices when something changes on one device) is planned on January.

@Viajero Perdido
Click on logs ... understand. Let's give it try for a while as is. I'm little worried that half of the screen wide stripe may cause some touch & scroll problems.

"Cursor distance" ... heh, it should be "GPS" not just "GP." Anyway as I look on it, agree ... I'll change it just to "Distance".

Problem with POI names > depends if you have enabled offline or online LoPoints source (visible in the side "Map content" panel. So check this + screenshot may be useful.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on December 29, 2020, 08:15:37
Re "hmm, isn't there missing the "Set custom GPS position" feature from Locus Map Pro? It depends on how much is this feature usable and if "toggle" should replace it."

Tbh, I have no clue about that option, never used it. In LM3 and vertical view, it's not possible to tell what it is about... btw.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on December 29, 2020, 08:24:30
Visible track is interesting. Probably some track that was on the A device deleted, but remain on the screen?
Yes, exactly, that track was deleted (folder now empty), but still shown.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on December 29, 2020, 11:22:06
@menion
it seems that the issue is when there is a HTML in the waypoint description. simple <b> or <br> makes the links impossible to use.
testing gpx - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QWBaXzN1RI5APfwgo-qTfg6X_aM6O5aK/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on December 29, 2020, 12:42:07
@tapio
interesting idea! ... hmm, isn't there missing the "Set custom GPS position" feature from Locus Map Pro? It depends on how much is this feature usable and if "toggle" should replace it.
I don't know the 2nd function either. Since nobody has missed them yet, I think very few use them. I think it's good to switch automatically with a long click.
If somebody wants the function at some point, we'll find a solution.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: auric on December 29, 2020, 19:07:28
These are some issues that I noticed and which I can consistently reproduce at the moment
Issues during navigation
These issues were noticed during a navigation using a GPX file or a previously created planned route using Route Planner

Intents/API
I'm using Tasker to automate recording tasks. Starting track recording is working. However, stopping the recording behaves differently: in stead of stopping the recording, it is now paused.
Steps to reproduce:
Previous behaviour: the track recording was stopped and saved (depending on the configuration of the recording action
Current behaviour: the track recording is paused.

Track recording button
When a track was started (using API or using the menu) the button at the bottom left doesn't appear, so the only way to open the recording menu is to go to the menu and open the track recording, or a short-cut in the side panel. However, when you double tap on the screen, the button appears (along with the zoom buttons since I configured them as "auto-hide") and then it stays on the screen (which is good)
To reproduce:
Expected result: the record-in-progress button is visible in the left button
Current result: the record-in-progress button isn't visible
Work-around: double tap the screen. The button appears. After a timeout (when the zoom buttons are auto-hidden) the record-in-progress button stays visible

Interface
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on December 30, 2020, 10:25:50
@tapio
hmm, nice and clearly readable bottom popup menu on the center button :). Oki, let's try with toggle ...

@slarti76
interesting. By checking the code, all looks correctly regards the remaining track after sync. I'll be watching it ...

@Raddino
thanks for the file. The best should be if the link is directly clickable, but I have usually quite problems with this behavior on Android. At least selectable by long click > should be fixed in next version, thanks.

@auric
seems you had a long evening, nice, thanks! :)

Navigation
1. very good observation, thanks, fixed
2. Time to target heavily depends on the selected navigation profile. Anyway, it is not too reliable, I know. Definitely needs a major rewrite.

Intents/API
This happens even in the case, the screen is turned on? Because recording should really be only "paused", but there should appear a screen for editing track details. It looks like this does not happen in your case. What about auto-save defined in profile or in intent, no difference?

Track recording button
Problem with visibility > should be fixed now.

Interface
1. correct, thanks, fixed
2. auto-pause, ah thanks. This feature needs some more testing, I've completely forget on it.
3. correct. "Show view" may be currently found little hidden in settings > Maps > Auxiliary graphics menu.
4. not automatically, but with the backup manager, it should be easily doable. Did you try it?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on December 30, 2020, 12:27:03
New update version MapGooglePlay_3.49.1.11_979_beta just published!

Hey, and the new year is coming? Hope you are all healthy and enjoy at least little nature and wind in your hairs instead of sitting home with Locus Map (like me)  ;).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on December 30, 2020, 13:05:59
@freischneider
Thanks for the description, but I'll need more precise steps as I'm unable to follow it ...
- turn on centering & rotation
- move with map, map stop rotate
- long click on the GPS icon in the toolbar and turn GPS off
- map is still rotated by the last value. I also see "centering active" (hold center) and a small compass icon above
- when I then turn GPS back on, it immediately starts center & rotates like at start ...
I've made a video now. Maybe then it will be easier to understand.
1 Start: GPS - on, turning - on, map fixed to GPS - on
2 Then I move the map and then click on the GPS symbol circle.
3 Now GPS is switched off,    map fixed to GPS - switched off      and rotate map - switched off.
Unfortunately, the map turns to the north. Now I have to look where I was.
4 Now I click again on the GPS symbol circle. GPS is switched on,   map fixed to GPS is switched on. But card rotation is not activated. I expected that the state as in 1 would be restored.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rdaNLUguleISkqvh2yy30VC-1NokLz2l/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on December 30, 2020, 13:26:10
@slarti76
interesting. By checking the code, all looks correctly regards the remaining track after sync. I'll be watching it ...
I just remembered I forgot to mention: On that device, Locus was first logged in to another Google account and syncing with it. Then I changed the account and did the overwrite from server operation. But perhaps that may have had an adverse effect...

"Guten Rutsch" as they say in German, and a great year 2021!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: auric on December 30, 2020, 23:04:04

@auric

Intents/API
This happens even in the case, the screen is turned on? Because recording should really be only "paused", but there should appear a screen for editing track details. It looks like this does not happen in your case. What about auto-save defined in profile or in intent, no difference?
I didn't specify auto-save in the intent, as I specified it in the profile.
With the screen on, there's no difference. Track recording is paused, no save screen is shown (which is expected as I enabled the auto save in the profile itself)

When I set auto_save:"true" in the intent, the recording stops as expected. So this would solve my "problem" but I guess this would also mean that the parameter isn't optional anymore...

I found the "show view" parameter. I have it enabled, most of the time, so it's ok. It would be a nice improvement however if it would be possible to put this option in the "quick settings" menu though. Most of the auxiliary graphics can be put there, but the "show view" option is missing

I'm going to try the new beta asap, during a walk in the woods with the wind in my hair ...
You should try it, it's relaxing :P
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on December 30, 2020, 23:27:14
3.49.1.11: not sure if bug/ feature/ not important but, if I am displaying a map Y, and map screen content panel also shows map Y, but then I go to my points & tap a point which auto-loads map Z, should the map screen content panel be refreshed to display the new map Z instead of old map Y? Isn't the map screen content panel supposed to list the current map?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on December 31, 2020, 09:44:09
Kinda disconcerting experience:
Two devices, database synced on both. Now I did some track edits on Dev A, synced them to the server, no problem. Started sync on B - omg, it's uploading (the old stuff) instead of downloading! Afterwards, started sync on A again, as expected downloaded the old stuff and overwrote the edits. I exported the track before sync (I know, it's beta, better safe than sorry), so no harm done.
But that is a dealbreaker - should not happen.

As you can imagine, wasn't able to reproduce. In fact, the sync after importing the correct track and deleting the wrong one, worked ok.
But please check your code again if there's any situation where this might happen. Because that definitely must not happen...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on December 31, 2020, 09:49:58
Small promo: Petr and Radim invested an enormous amount of time & own passion into creating an online version of LoMaps (will be used as default map after the start of the app and also mainly on the web in Route planner) and an online version of LoPoints. If you find some time and test it, or better use it and will have some feedback, they will appreciate it: https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7191.0

And now back to Android :)

@freischneider
ah, now it's clear. You use the "GPS button" (where I use rather "centering button") so it confused me. Good point! Improved.

@slarti76
thanks for the additional info. Can't imagine now, how this change of accounts may cause any problem. Anyway, as I wrote, I'll be watching it.

Sync problem: hmm, this really should not happen. Are you 100% sure, there were no edits on the mentioned track on device B before sync? Even a simple refresh of the track preview image in data manager causes "edit" > sync, or just change of name, style of track etc...

@auric
hmm, the "auto-save" parameter is optional, I just double-checked it.
What a weird problem. I've just set a task with Tasker with exactly same parameters as you wrote, then I split screen on the device with Locus Map & Tasker and the test was correct, no matter if auto-save is enabled in intent, in profile or disabled. To be true, I can't imagine what may be a problem here ...  :-\

@Andrew Heard
it currently does not work exactly like this. Original selected map remains active as "base map" and auto-loaded maps are only attached to it. In the case of vector maps it is a little more complicated, but the active map (not the original selected) should appear as "active" after some time.

Hmm, hard to describe as I even don't exactly remember this :).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on December 31, 2020, 14:32:15
@slarti76Sync problem: hmm, this really should not happen. Are you 100% sure, there were no edits on the mentioned track on device B before sync? Even a simple refresh of the track preview image in data manager causes "edit" > sync, or just change of name, style of track etc...
Well, I did open the track details of that old version of the track, to see if it was already updated (I added a waypoint, among other things). So perhaps the preview image got renewed then. But that is nothing the user could prevent, so I think something like that must not touch the track "last updated" timestamp.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on December 31, 2020, 15:41:50
@tapio
interesting idea! ... hmm, isn't there missing the "Set custom GPS position" feature from Locus Map Pro? It depends on how much is this feature usable and if "toggle" should replace it.
I don't know the 2nd function either. Since nobody has missed them yet, I think very few use them. I think it's good to switch automatically with a long click.
If somebody wants the function at some point, we'll find a solution.
Menion has implemented it, thx. Personally I'd prefer a green toast msg here instead of the vibration.
Shouldn't it also toggle to that center lock state, if the map is currently dragged somewhere else? Except vibrating, it does nothing in that case.
Also I am thinking, the lock icon is not clearly understandable. As for that center icon - Maybe the outer ring should have 4 small, to the center showing arrows. Or alternatively, the letter A (for auto center) could be easier to understand. If I see a lock icon, rather "you can do nothing here" comes to mind, not "the map will auto center every couple of seconds". Just thoughts.

Thanks Menion, Team and Forum - I wish you a great and healthy 2021!

Best regards - Tapio
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 02, 2021, 00:30:19
Just noticed that the Galaxy Watch plugin doesn't work with the LM4 beta. It complains that it only works with Pro. Any way to activate that so I can betatest the watch connection? I don't have LM Pro installed on the phone my watch is connected with and would like to avoid in order to avoid problems with the database sync. Or should that be safe, if the db is accessed by both Locus instances?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 02, 2021, 15:42:46
Dark mode, overlay, change opacity: background goes white but text stays white. Hence illegible.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210102/fae49d4b52f9a25f541d341546a1d4a7.jpg)

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 02, 2021, 18:22:41
@freischneider
ah, now it's clear. You use the "GPS button" (where I use rather "centering button") so it confused me. Good point! Improved.

Thanks.
What is the centering button?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on January 02, 2021, 19:05:44
with the updated version when I long-press randomly in map (in the middle of the forest, not to POI) Locus will crash

video here
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YxLUpok9hU5RrEa79
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 02, 2021, 19:33:45
I, too, have been getting random crashes with the new beta.
I can reproduce the crash reliably by
1. Long press, so that address & details slide up panel appears on bottom part of screen
2. Tap on map screen so address panel disappears
3. Another long press, Locus crashes.

BTW I don't think this is the only way that Locus now crashes. Before this latest report by @Raddino, I thought it was connected with flinging the screen but I was not able to reproduce it.


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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 04, 2021, 09:12:32
Hmm new year 2021 ... not such a nice number like that one that passed. Let's home for a better covid-free year, full of outdoor adventures ;).

@slarti76
Good point with track preview ... I've improved this so a change in preview should not trigger sync. Anyway minor changes in track, like a change of style or even change of style of the folder when track "use folder style", still cause sync!

Galaxy Watch plugin > search for the version for Locus Map Free.

@tapio
"Centering button"
- center when "hold map center" is enabled > you are right, thanks.
- vibration vs notification > I've played with notification and it a) needs two extra texts for translation (X enabled / X disabled) and b) is partially hidden behind the palm.

"Hold center icon" ... hmm "you can do nothing here" is a good explanation of the "lock" symbol. I'm thinking about it and no icon makes sense to me now. So maybe at least notification with "Hold map center enabled" should help here for now :-\

@john_percy
I'm closer and closer to rewrite this "Set overlay" dialog to a more modern style ...

@freischneider
sorry for the confusion. I wanted to write: "You name this button "GPS button" (where I use rather name it "centering button") so it confused me."  :)

@Raddino
hmm, I'm unable to simulate exactly your steps, but the steps wrote by @john_percy below crash to me as well, nice, thanks! Fixed.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: WujTom on January 04, 2021, 09:38:18
A few of my observations.

1) can you turn off notifications for automatic export after a successful operation? You only really need information on how the export of the saved track will fail.
2) Is it possible to add an activity type to the dropbox in the name of the exported track, e.g. cycling, walking (2021-01-04_08-05-56_CYCLING.GPX)? This would facilitate further synchronization by tapiriik.com
3) I noticed that the beta version sometimes does not give the cyclical distance in the standard pro version, this problem does not occur. I have energy saving turned off and work as a service.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: michaelbechtold on January 04, 2021, 10:40:52
...
1) can you turn off notifications for automatic export after a successful operation? You only really need information on how the export of the saved track will fail.
...
There are two other ways of notification:
1) temporary ones that do not need confirmation
2) message in the notification bar; no confirmation either.
I agree that forced confirmation should be restricted to failures.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 04, 2021, 14:23:51
what is the meaning of colored triangles at TB's ?

today i droped 3 TB´s > updated the listing > two of them get a blue triangel one a green ???
after reopen the listing TB-tab all triangles of my dropped TB´s are green.

in some other listings i saw also red tiangles ?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 04, 2021, 14:27:53
@slarti76
Good point with track preview ... I've improved this so a change in preview should not trigger sync. Anyway minor changes in track, like a change of style or even change of style of the folder when track "use folder style", still cause sync!
Agreed and thx.

Quote
Galaxy Watch plugin > search for the version for Locus Map Free.
Oops, yeah, there's two versions of that, too.  ::) Works fine, will try out this weekend in the snow :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: auric on January 04, 2021, 22:48:53
I'm missing something. How do you enable dark mode? I can't find it 
I do know how to set "map mode" to night mode automatically, but is this possible for all the screens as well?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 05, 2021, 09:37:48
@auric
First you need to ensure that Expert Settings is turned on:
- long press Locus main menu button
- tap Expert settings
- Expert settings appear in Locus Map settings

Then it's Settings > Expert Settings > Development > Dark Application Theme

(Both Expert Settings and Dark Theme are at the bottom of their screen of settings, so scroll and scroll.)


Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 06, 2021, 14:43:18
When I show the right sidebar, the copyright shifts towards the middle (see picture). When I autohide the sidebar, the copyright stays on the far right.

Optical only:
The upper corner of the sidebar could be rounded off. As with the menu.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 07, 2021, 10:22:34
If i delete a theme the Legend stays and consequently so does the entry in the themes menu.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jeffreyk on January 08, 2021, 00:26:37
Will their be a new beta version release now the the free version has a higher version number and its installed over the old beta?

Thanks
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Neoaliphant on January 08, 2021, 11:32:47
Just FYI, beta seems to be working and syncing fine using bluestacks, for those people who want to try it without risking their phone install. 
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 08, 2021, 12:28:49
Nice bunch of feedback, thanks! Hope I'll have enough time to prepare the new version today ...

@WujTom
1) which notification you want to remove?
2) currently export for single track use "Track name", which I believe is perfectly fine. What you need is some kind of per-user customization and for this, the app is not (yet) ready
3) "does not give the cyclical distance" > needs more info

@balloni55
colored triangles only define the source of the image (cache, memory, internet). I've removed them from the Beta version :).

@freischneider
interesting. I'm unable to simulate it  :-\. When you auto-hide panels, no button is visible in the right panel?

And corner on the right panel ... because it may be over the whole screen up to the top, it is not so simple :)

@john_percy
ah, thanks, fixed
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 08, 2021, 13:03:43
Nice bunch of feedback, thanks! Hope I'll have enough time to prepare the new version today ...

@WujTom
1) which notification you want to remove?
I also support having a separate notification category for "Track export successful". The current category is called "One-time tasks", and I'm weary to deactivate it for fear of missing out on other important notifications. But the track exported notif. is not needed for me (and obviously others), among other things there is also a message in the Locus notification center, that's enough.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 08, 2021, 15:12:58
New version 3.50.0.1 just generated.

The main changes are related to the routing system. I've created a separate topic for it here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7202.0).

Enjoy the coming weekend and again > big thanks for the help to all of you!!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 08, 2021, 15:21:48
Release notes refer to Brouter (internal), as previously discussed. App still says Brouter (inner), which is not good English.


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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 08, 2021, 21:55:57
Now we have BRouter (internal) & BRouter Online, should the terminology change to BRouter Offline?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on January 08, 2021, 22:14:22
Another comment regarding the logging cache experience.

I was expecting that if I have selected always log cache offline (menu>settings>geocaching>always log offline) then after clicking on Log icon/button Locus will directly jump to Field Notes draft. Now after clicking on log icon I got pop-up with 3 options where I need to select again that I want to log as draft. Is that intended? Video (czech language in locus) here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/AWQdXcubzies3Xvd9
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Erelen on January 09, 2021, 02:33:47
New overlay dialog - is a great step in usability! Thanks!

But, please, take a few more steps:
1) why do you need "Remove" in "Change map" menu, when there is switch to turn overlan on/off?

2) why do you need "Change map" menu with separate "Online" and "Offline"? I think, "Change map" button, that open standard "Maps" screen with "Online" and "Offline" tabs - it's a better way: stantard screen and one tap less in many cases.

2.1) another solution - show in "Change map" menu 3-4 last overlays. In many cases, that's enough to not open select map screen. For example, I active use about 5-10 maps, but only 2-3 overlays.

3) now, when I open select overlay map dialog, I see selected by red current main map, not current overlay map.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: michaelbechtold on January 09, 2021, 10:54:28
Now we have BRouter (internal) & BRouter Online, should the terminology change to BRouter Offline?

Even "Internal", being a more technical term, is less comprehensible for average users than the term "Offline" that Andrew suggests. I also strongly advocate "Offline"
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: michaelbechtold on January 09, 2021, 10:57:15
New overlay dialog - is a great step in usability! Thanks!
...
@Menion: an this would be the right place to offer a count (0 to 4, e.g.) for the number of excess magnifications beyond max available ZL.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 09, 2021, 14:36:05
"Center map" in presets does not apply and should be renamed to "hold map center".
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 09, 2021, 17:12:55
hello menion
when opening a geocache listing i miss the preview map with the possibility to show this cache centered on the map.
Currently, this is only very cumbersome possible if at least one waypoint is present
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 09, 2021, 21:18:54
Now we have BRouter (internal) & BRouter Online, should the terminology change to BRouter Offline?

Even "Internal", being a more technical term, is less comprehensible for average users than the term "Offline" that Andrew suggests. I also strongly advocate "Offline"
already improved!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 11, 2021, 09:29:51
Negative experience from field test this weekend:
I went snowshoeing with new phone where only LM4 was installed (took my old one with LM3 Pro for comparison and as backup, so all safe  ;)).
I synced the database before I left, of course, but when at the start of the tour I took the phone out, the track database was empty! I quickly exited Locus, copied a backup of tracks.db back and started Locus again. Now the tracks were back, but the points where empty. Did the same with waypoints.db and of course turned off autosync, which was still active from the start.

Naturally, this shouldn't happen. What could've caused this initially is either the bad reception where I started, or the fact that I just turned on Airplane Mode around then. Perhaps one of these happened during a running auto-sync and that threw Locus off?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 11, 2021, 09:47:59
@john_percy, @Andrew Heard
thanks. We have to look at the naming of routers more carefully. There is also BRouter service available as an application from Google Play, so I wanted to somehow separate these two.

@Raddino
good point, fixed thanks!

@Erelen
very good points :).
1. agree, removed
2. I've first made a simple united button, but a quick switch to previous overlays sounds good, hmm...
3. quite a hard task for now and not so important I believe

@michaelbechtold
right place to offer re-scale option: right  :)

@tapio
I think it works. It is really an action "Now center map", so in case you have enabled GPS, the map should be centered, and centering (no matter if hold map center is enabled or not) should be active.

@balloni55
You open a cache listing from the cache (point) detail, so it is one back press to the cache screen and one more to the map. I think I do not fully understand  :)

@slarti76
 :o :-X :'( ... omg. Good old times with local/offline only problems.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 11, 2021, 09:50:29
Yesterday I saw that there is Locus 4 available for testing. For sure, I had to try  8)

First impressions: Very nice and optimated for one hand use  :)

Missing in my opinion:

top bar in map view:  option to set a second information to the right corner - there is sooo many space next to the coordinates

geocache view: overall nice new look
- I love the "plan to" option  :)

some things I don't like:
- arrow to open logs is too small - I would prefer getting to logs by clicking on the smileys and refresh (download the newest) by replacing the arrow with an sync button like it is next to GCVote
-missing the side menu from the right: the button on the top right corner ist far away from my thumb
- in this side menu there are some menus missing: no option to log + no option to the notes of a cache
--> only possibility to reach these things is a shortcut at the bottom
- I like the new clear look of the bottom bar in geocaches: maybe offer the option to set a third short cut - there is so many space available
- I miss the older option to show the cache or waypoint on map (EDIT:seen the solution above - nice!)
- I dont't like the view of the "More" button under the listing area - should look better with the arrow like above (waypoints + trackables)
- is it possible to not shorten the text in menu if it is to long?: geocache bottom bar: puzzle icon: 2 of the menu entries are shorten by "..." - mybe make the are bigger that all can be displayed
----

Thanks
Diddi

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 11, 2021, 10:41:59
@slarti76
 :o :-X :'( ... omg. Good old times with local/offline only problems.
I should add that I overlooked there's a new beta, so I still used the one from end of December. So if you did improvements in between, perhaps it's good now.
But I take it from your reaction you will have a look at it?!  ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 11, 2021, 11:21:04
Is there already a user manual / manual for LM4? I would like to test LM4 with a new user and see what questions arise despite the instruction manual.
Perhaps one could open up a separate topic for this. Others could also take such a test. Or think about it. As a team, there are always better ideas. That's the only reason LM4 got so good so far. I have already made notes on what can be added. The aim is to ensure that as few questions as possible have to be answered in the helpdesk later on.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 11, 2021, 13:38:17
Quote
@balloni55
You open a cache listing from the cache (point) detail, so it is one back press to the cache screen and one more to the map. I think I do not fully understand
in LMP or earlier versions of LM4 the small map preview was always present, so you could easily center the cache on the map.
In the current version of LM4 this is only cumbersome possible
https://www.dropbox.com/s/klolrihut54xnmj/preview%20map.mp4?dl=0
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 11, 2021, 19:50:25
@Diddi
thanks for the feedback.

- top bar > maybe later. Agree that on bigger devices, there is enough space for the second panel

- cache logs: button has standard size, so clickable area is the same as for e.g. refresh button. Refresh of logs is problematic because it is not done by Locus Map directly, but it's done over 3rd party app (G4L) > complicated.

- GC side menu: hmm it was opened by a slide from the right. Right, good point. You are this first after a few months of testing who point on this problem, so definitely not a serious issue ... how to solve it, hmm  :P

- missing options in the GC menu? Should not be. You may define two quick buttons to the bottom panel. If defined, these functions are then missing in the top-right menu, so maybe this is your case?

- third shortcut > added to TODO list, thanks

- "more" below listing. Well, as you wrote above, "arrow is too small". I consider listing as very important and also app display longer part of it, so the button below makes sense to me.

- short text in popups > it is a global problem across the whole app, not just here. I'll look at it, thanks.

@slarti76
hmm ... I wrote it somewhere, not clearly, that since the new public Beta test version, we cleared the server database and switched the whole infrastructure to the final production-ready system. So now all data remains on the server like with the regular final version. But, your old app communicates still with a testing server that is already empty. Maybe from here comes a problem? I'm sure it is, there is no other explanation. So please use the new version, thanks.

@freischneider
I'm not sure if Michal wants to be already public, but yes, the work-in-progress manual is already in preparation here (https://docs.locusmap.app/doku.php).

@balloni55
hmm, I was thinking about this problem before as well and agree, it may be a little more complicated. As you clearly display in the video, the map is visible only in case, point detail is not shown by click on the point directly on the map. This was previously solved by the "map" button in the bottom panel ... so return it back? Hmm ...
Title: Problems with brouter (inner)
Post by: jonny.blue on January 11, 2021, 20:16:03
Today I tried the 'inner" version ... and had some problems.
Steps:
- touched a geocache (it was on landing bridge only to reach by foot the last meters) and press "navigate to" with profile CarCrusing -> an error occured "Cannoc reate path-model: ...exception:btools.router.KinematicModel "
- switched to profile hiking -> message: "Fehlende Daten für das offline routing herunterladen"
- switched to  brouter offline - profile "car crusing" ... and all worked well:
   + no missing profiling data (are they on a different place?)
   + brouter offline "knows" that he has to stop at the last drivable point and created a route to this point.

- loaded the "missing" data ... and started calculation inner brouter:
   + profile car crusing = same error as above
   + hiking = worked, but I found no easy way to  drive with car and just walk the last meters ...

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 12, 2021, 08:20:41
@Diddi
thanks for the feedback.

- top bar > maybe later. Agree that on bigger devices, there is enough space for the second panel

- cache logs: button has standard size, so clickable area is the same as for e.g. refresh button. Refresh of logs is problematic because it is not done by Locus Map directly, but it's done over 3rd party app (G4L) > complicated.

- GC side menu: hmm it was opened by a slide from the right. Right, good point. You are this first after a few months of testing who point on this problem, so definitely not a serious issue ... how to solve it, hmm  :P

- missing options in the GC menu? Should not be. You may define two quick buttons to the bottom panel. If defined, these functions are then missing in the top-right menu, so maybe this is your case?

- third shortcut > added to TODO list, thanks

- "more" below listing. Well, as you wrote above, "arrow is too small". I consider listing as very important and also app display longer part of it, so the button below makes sense to me.

- short text in popups > it is a global problem across the whole app, not just here. I'll look at it, thanks.


Thanks for quick reply.

You're right: option to log is only available, when not selected as shortcut.
I'm not sure why this GC side menu is located on the top right corner behind this icon, that looks like a printer to me  ;D --> Maybe it would make more sense in bottom bar instead of the third shortcut?

Some more small things:

-the 4 "new" attributes are still missing https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2020/09/four-new-geocaching-attributes/ (https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2020/09/four-new-geocaching-attributes/) - also in "old" Locus
- geocache icon on map is no more  moved to corrected coordinates, when final is solved with MultiSolver addon

map view:
-in full screen mode, the scale is next to the right corner; when double tapping to show the side bars, it walks to the rightern middle
- I would love to set in geocaching tool wich type off "load all waypoints of visible caches" will be shown on map. Example: When I load all of them, Locus is showing a "final point" additionally to the corrected cacheicon of a mystery cache. So I get everytime I tap on a mystery Cache the option to choose between the cache itself and its final waypoint. Hiding all waypoints is no option, because I like to see possible stages of a multicache next to me.

geocache points data:
If I try to refresh all geocache points in a list, I get this error everytime: "Cannot pass in more than 50 values in the referenceCodes parameter". That's depending to Geocaching4Locus AddOn, I think.
Worked in old Locus Pro like a charm.


Thanks
Diddi
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 12, 2021, 09:03:14
@slarti76
hmm ... I wrote it somewhere, not clearly, that since the new public Beta test version, we cleared the server database and switched the whole infrastructure to the final production-ready system. So now all data remains on the server like with the regular final version. But, your old app communicates still with a testing server that is already empty. Maybe from here comes a problem? I'm sure it is, there is no other explanation. So please use the new version, thanks.
Yes, I remember that comment of yours and I did a full resync after that "switch date" you mentioned. I also thought the "old" app version was already after that switch. Well, anyway, I now updated and will keep an eye on it. If it ever happens again, you'll be the first to know ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 12, 2021, 10:22:04
@jonny.blue
thanks. The issue with offline car profiles found and fixed.

@Diddi
icon of the printer, heh :). But, yes, you are probably right  :D.
Most of the code between the old and new Locus app is shared so yes, new attributes are still missing. I've already on my GC-TODO list, thanks.

Scale bar > it should be moved based on the visibility of the right part of the "functions" panel.
Load only selected type of waypoints > interesting idea, agree. TODO list is growing ...

@slarti76
Ondřej wrote to me that on the server are your data from the 27. 12. I do not have any idea what you did, but the app really should not completely delete all data. watch it please carefully, thanks.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 12, 2021, 10:43:01
Menu in the point screen for geocaching

1. design
The current popup menu is a little cumbersome. It has scrolling on smaller devices, it may shrink some texts if too long, it is not too flexible ... generally, these popups are problematic.
What about the whole menu as a simple dialog instead of a small popup?

2. button to display it
Diddi has an idea to put it into the bottom buttons bar. It may be also placed as an optional button into two custom geocaching bottom buttons. Any additional idea or you are fine with the current solution? Thanks.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 12, 2021, 12:50:59
Quote
What about the whole menu as a simple dialog instead of a small popup?
is your attached screenshot an example of the "simple dialog" ?
would be ok for me ;)
and if, where are "pictures" now hidden?
Quote
Diddi has an idea to put it into the bottom buttons bar
on my 6" device there is no place in portrait mode for a additional button :-[
Quote
It may be also placed as an optional button into two custom geocaching bottom buttons
both custom geocaching buttons are already used by me (hint and log visit) and i don't would like to do without them
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Doggy on January 12, 2021, 17:46:25
[CZ] Předem se omlouvám, že sem napíšu v češtině, nenašel jsem český topic. Testuji beta verzi a je to super, dokonce tmavý režim funguje i na Androidu 6.
Našel jsem jednu maličkost, po rozkliknutí keše jsou v místě náhledu listingu odkazy neklikatelné. Odkazy fungují až po zobrazení celého listingu. Pokud by to šlo jednoduše opravit, bylo by to super. V Česku jsou labgpx, kdy v listingu labky na začátku jsou odkazy na jednotlivé série labek.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: dim on January 12, 2021, 22:04:46
Hello, Menion,

Could you reduce the size of the sidebar buttons so they look like in LM3? they take up too much space.

Could you add folders to the sidebars? So that other shortcuts can be added to folders. Space on the screen and in the main menu is limited, but the number of functions in LM seems to be unlimited)) When I first used LM, this thing seemed strange to me: if I need function that is not on the side panel I need to do a lot of clicks, for example "Main menu -> All features -> Tracks & Routes -> Tracks & Routes manager", it's 4 clicks!! As far as I remember, Orux maps have several main menu buttons on the map screen (e.g. Map Tools, Track Tools) with a submenus, so "Track Tools" (button on the main screen) -> "Track manager" (submenu item) - takes only 2 clicks!! Current LM system, when some random functions are in the quick main menu, some random functions are in the sidebars, some functions are in the quick action menu, and some functions that I didn't placed in the sidebar are so deep in the main menu that I forget about they existance, this is a mess for me, I would make my own oruxmap-like menu based on sidebars if it will be possible to create folders on the side panels. By the way, what do you think about oruxmap-like menu (with 2 clicks to every function)?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 13, 2021, 06:47:43
@Dim: There is space for 14 functions in the main menu and another 17 in the lower and right bar. Then there are the quick settings where 12 functions fit.
So that should be enough normally. For functions that I rarely need, I can also do 4 clicks.
I automatically hidden the sidebar, then I have the whole screen. Then fade in with a double click.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: dim on January 13, 2021, 08:49:21
Yes, I can set up quick access to lots of functions in LM. But there is no order in that. When I used 3-4 functions, they were on the sidepanel, it was very convenient. But when the number of functions used increases, it is difficult to remember, whether I put them in the main menu, or in the quick action menu, or maybe on the sidepanel, but I forgot what it looks like its icon. Oruxmap has all the track-related functions under Track button, navigation-related functions under Navigaion button, so you don't need to memorize anything.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: auric on January 13, 2021, 09:27:43
Menu in the point screen for geocaching

1. design
The current popup menu is a little cumbersome. It has scrolling on smaller devices, it may shrink some texts if too long, it is not too flexible ... generally, these popups are problematic.
What about the whole menu as a simple dialog instead of a small popup?

I think that could help a lot. It seems that Didi has a large screen. My screen is "only" 5.5" and it scrolls. So yeah, that is a disturbing little menu.
(https://www.bermione.be/images/forumrefer/locus/gcmenu.jpg)
I'm not sure I like a popup aesthetically, but it's definitely more functional, more user friendly. I have no other or better suggestion, which is why I didn't report it in the first place. But I definitely agree that some improvement would be nice :-)

2. button to display it
Diddi has an idea to put it into the bottom buttons bar. It may be also placed as an optional button into two custom geocaching bottom buttons. Any additional idea or you are fine with the current solution? Thanks.
Personally I'm fine with the current solution. That icon is there in several situations:
Remember: in LM3, it was always at the top. From that perspective, the current solution is an improvement ;-)

However, I like the idea of allowing it as an option for the customized buttons. This way, it's up to the user: keep the current behaviour or move it to the bottom bar. Solutions for everyone!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 13, 2021, 10:00:50
I remember the width of the sidebar has been discussed. I also like the LM3 size better. IIRC Menion said it will stay as it is. Personally not an issue for me, I have all stuff I need on it... and I have the right sidebar usually hidden.
The oppossite problem would apply for me: more room for icons would leave an ugly gap because the sidebar ends with the last icon. Which is rather unusual.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 13, 2021, 11:42:40
@balloni55
yes, it is an example. And now it's reality, implemented and tested. Pictures (previous tabs with internal, external images, and spoilers) will be available over this menu as well. In case, any images exist (for example from GC offlinizer), it will appear here for now.

The number of buttons: currently bar has a limit set to 5 visible buttons. Buttons above this limit are placed under the three-dot menu. You may see it for example if you disable any of these quick buttons.
I'll think about it and if, I'll do it as optional.

@Doggy
[CZ] český topic věnovaný LM4? Jen EN zde.
Nicméně dobrá připomínka, děkuji. Podívám se na to.

@dim
size of the sidebar: no sorry, intent for better usability in the field
folders: huh, quite a big task. Till now, I never read about this request. With new version, the main menu with up to 14 buttons and the function bar are a lot closer to finders, so as @freischneider wrote, you should be fine with it. You may also try the "Quick action menu" that is now available. This is some kind of one quick folder that may add another flexibility.

@auric
I have the same experience on the Pixel 2 device. Sofa-testing and it really seems to be better usable now. Thanks.

Right, it is an improvement. The only difference is that previously you were able to slide from the left to open this menu (I forget this method exists because I never ever used it).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 13, 2021, 13:00:24
I have an OnePlus Nord with an 6,44 inch display.

I like every option to customize Locus for myself. So I agree with auric's idea of making this geocache options available on both placed. I could live with menions attachement of the pop up menu, even it is for sure not really pretty :D
Happy to test new version, soon :)
 
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jelleruben on January 14, 2021, 19:45:17
Sadly it not possible to download it.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 15, 2021, 12:27:59
New version MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 1_983_beta just uploaded.

Quite a lot of changes mainly as a reaction to the discussions here on the forum, so big thanks!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 15, 2021, 14:41:53
New version MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 1_983_beta just uploaded.

Quite a lot of changes mainly as a reaction to the discussions here on the forum, so big thanks!
I saw that new feature: https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/22974-inclination-from-position-to-cursor
Wouldn't these values below the line also make sense for the two-finger-distance measuring?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 15, 2021, 18:11:56
It should already work in this Beta version if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 15, 2021, 19:33:27
# 60
unfortunately no improvement so far :-[
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: auric on January 15, 2021, 19:35:38
Great improvement: GC dialog and the option to move the button that triggers it is perfect 😁

My subscription: not yet implemented... 😉
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: lor74cas on January 15, 2021, 19:40:32
Hi,
I like well-spaced icons in the menu, but the distance between the label and the icon is too big. Even the last few items on the menu are too far apart. The bottom with the locus logo could be placed next to the username.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 15, 2021, 19:42:26
New version MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 1_983_beta just uploaded.

Quite a lot of changes mainly as a reaction to the discussions here on the forum, so big thanks!
"Hold map center" is not applied by presets.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 15, 2021, 22:51:55
New version MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 1_983_beta just uploaded.
LM4 important milestone - congratulations to the whole Locus team.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 16, 2021, 20:23:40
@balloni55
#60, this is not 100% precise. I've spent some time on this problem. The result is moving of the center of the screen on the point. On higher screens, you see this center even when the point bottom dialog appears. In the worst case, when you hide it, you see the point in the middle. At least something for now. I currently have no idea of a better solution, sorry.

@auric
Do you need "my subscription" when all features work without limits? :)

@lor74cas
hmm ... I use quite a standard sizing across the whole app. Bigger buttons have an advantage in easier tap and less-errors.
Check the attached image. Content in every button is spread equality to it's every part. So while keeping the height of every button like it is, the current layout seems to me optimal.

In case, you have any notification messages, it is visible in the top right corner. The name of the app and small banner is not so important to have them on the top. This is more or less a matter of taste and I like it as is to be true :).

@tapio
"Hold map center" is not available in presets.

@Andrew Heard
thanks Andrew. We are closer and closer ... with huuuge delay, but still in progress :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 16, 2021, 20:59:15
What is "Center map" in presets then?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 16, 2021, 23:09:13
It is a change in the centering button: now center or not. It is the exact same action as when you tap on the big centering button.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 17, 2021, 06:44:40
@menion - my experience with installing LM4 beta onto a new Android 10 tablet: after install I did a full restore (including all tracks & points) from another device, all OK, then bravely (?) did a manual Cloud Sync & got a "Whoops!" error #14199.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 17, 2021, 10:09:25
I like the new beta and the option to put a thord custom Geocaching button in buttom list. ButI thought it would be additionally to the 5 existing buttons...

I love the new way to see main cache below, even when opening a single Waypoint from the map. Really nice!! :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 17, 2021, 10:53:10
It is a change in the centering button: now center or not. It is the exact same action as when you tap on the big centering button.
I see, so just a one-shot action. I think for a preset "Hold map center" would be more useful. I hope you'll add it.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 17, 2021, 14:10:14
Quote
#60, this is not 100% precise. I've spent some time on this problem. The result is moving of the center of the screen on the point.
ok sorry that's right, i had only looked for the centering method in the preview map ???
even so it is ok ;) thanks.

but with the current settings it is still possible to get the map preview when I select "Tap on map" > Details in the settings. 
Where I think the two settings in screenshot are obsolete in LM4

Quote
I love the new way to see main cache below, even when opening a single Waypoint from the map. Really nice!!
these options are great, but for me in the waypoint tab must be no log option, helpful would be a button to create waypoints
in the current version I only found a way to create waypoints if at least one waypoint already exists in the listing  :-\ this is a problem.

with the new option GC quick selection button > "context menu" the show/hide of all waypoints does not work.
if all are hidden the text is "hide all" and vice versa
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 17, 2021, 17:07:15
Today i used Locus first time in live actipn.
I had tot think about how to use it in many ways, but that's normal..

One thing i missed: No possibilitiy to change die main coordinates of a cache. In older version i could tap on the coordinate in cache view to change them. Now i could only long tap to copy them to clipoard.


One bug found: See attached image.
When pointing to a cache, the target line is laggy when moving the map.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 18, 2021, 09:23:04
It should already work in this Beta version if I remember correctly.
Was that in reply to my remark about having the same extra values below the two-finger-measurement-line as we now have in the "Cursor to position"-line? Because in the current beta (4.0.0-Beta1), that is not the case, the two-finger-measure-line only has a distance on top of the line.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 18, 2021, 11:20:29
It should already work in this Beta version if I remember correctly.
Was that in reply to my remark about having the same extra values below the two-finger-measurement-line as we now have in the "Cursor to position"-line? Because in the current beta (4.0.0-Beta1), that is not the case, the two-finger-measure-line only has a distance on top of the line.
Search options, mine has angle as well.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 18, 2021, 14:11:03
It should already work in this Beta version if I remember correctly.
Was that in reply to my remark about having the same extra values below the two-finger-measurement-line as we now have in the "Cursor to position"-line? Because in the current beta (4.0.0-Beta1), that is not the case, the two-finger-measure-line only has a distance on top of the line.
Search options, mine has angle as well.
Ok, I found it, sorry. It's not that obvious that it's under "map lines"...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on January 19, 2021, 15:04:54
Dear Jiří,

the map scale has a strage position when switching on left-handed control. It's nearly in the middle of the screen, but not exactly (see screenshot).

In right-handed mode it is on the right side, so in left-handed mode I would expect it to be on the left side.

Best,
Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 20, 2021, 11:20:35
@Andrew Heard
Hmm, interesting. We see no error on the server so it seems to be a problem on the Android client. Do i happen again when you manually start sync now? If so, may you please create a bug report log? It should contain any detailed info.

@Diddi
- currently, bottom buttons are limited to max. 5 buttons. Hmm, maybe it may be more "dynamic" based on the device width. I'll look at it. An alternative may be a user-defined number of buttons but hope this won't be necessary.

- change of cache coordinates > this is something balloni55 already reported. You may tap on "edit" of the point/cache and change them here ... for now.

- bug with laggy line ... are you able to simulate this issue again? I do not.

@tapio
"hold map center" >  Oki, make sense, added

@balloni55
- hmm, two forgotten settings. And to my surprise, "Tap on point" works quite well :), so we should keep it, right?
Second, "Point label content" - the top part still makes sense because it is related to small labels above the map. The bottom part with the setup for popup content is no longer valid and should be removed, thanks!

- "must be no log option" in parent cache panel > why this?

- load/unload waypoints > ah, switched conditions, thanks!

@luce
map scale, hmm. Already reported that it does not work best. As I see, you also do not have visible small attribution button next to scale (happens to me as well on older devices). I'll look at it, thanks.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 20, 2021, 11:59:51
A 6th bottom button would be great.

I'm able to simulate this bug every time.
See link:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/7zj49jv3z68hhwh/21-01-20-11-49-53.mp4/file

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 20, 2021, 12:24:24
@Diddi
- currently, bottom buttons are limited to max. 5 buttons. Hmm, maybe it may be more "dynamic" based on the device width. I'll look at it. An alternative may be a user-defined number of buttons but hope this won't be necessary.
I second that it should be somehow dynamic. Depending on device and, that got kinda forgotten at all, landscape mode! Right now, in landscape it's just wasted space. I know, LS is not used that often, but still. At least some of the additional buttons should float to the bottom bar.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 20, 2021, 13:48:14
Quote
- "must be no log option" in parent cache panel > why this?
if, then in the last waypoint or?
but as said a button to create waypoints/projection would be helpful
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: poutnikl on January 20, 2021, 21:43:19
This bothers me for long time.

 I do not use "Magnify all maps" and "Text size" zoom setting dialogues very often. But when I do, I always silently curse who have invented it this way ? It must be some 3rd party ready-to-use library, as Menion is otherwise reasonable  :-)

Both have a slider to set the percentual zoom level. That would be good, if reasonable range would not be shrinked to just few millimeters on the very left.

When I set a zoom value, I have to very  carefully try to slide it to the right value.
Or, I could blindly tap until I got the right value.

( I once used otherwise great application, that had the slider so sensitive the former option was not really an option, I had to do  just blind tapping ).

 Good 90% of the sliding scale is unused for any reasonable purpose. Could the scale be adjusted to smaller range, or replaced by a numerical field or similar ?

Sent from my Xiaomi MI A2 / Android 10, via Tapatalk
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 20, 2021, 22:43:17
Hmm, interesting. We see no error on the server so it seems to be a problem on the Android client. Do i happen again when you manually start sync now? If so, may you please create a bug report log? It should contain any detailed info.
@menion I've tried again, exactly same steps, this time OK. Why it is OK now but failed last time, I have no idea sorry. But what causes error #14199?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 21, 2021, 11:19:22
Just noticed sth unnice in LM4, maybe (probably?) also in LMP:
I started the route planner for an existing track, did some changes, accidentally hit "Back" - changes gone! I first thought "Well, route planner restores previous state", and I clicked "Route planner" in the track's context menu, but that was the wrong idea: Route planner started with existing track, changes were now gone. I later realized I should've started the Route Planner directly, then the previous edit gets restored correctly. But that's less intuitive.
So there needs to be an additional warning, either when leaving the route planner while editing an existing track ("Do you want to discard changes?"), or when starting the route planner with a new track, overwriting an existing session ("There are unsaved changes in route planner. Do you really want to discard these?").
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 22, 2021, 10:10:20
@Diddi
ah, I got it, thanks, fixed!

@slarti76
It will be a little dynamic process. I've tested it manually on the emulator and more than 5 buttons + 1 menu looks quite bad. We will see ...

@balloni55
- quick "log in" button in the parent cache panel > you know better than me :). I just expected that this may be useful, but let's remove it. It may be added back later when needed.
- creating a waypoint is a little more complex task than it may look. It is currently tightly connected to the "waypoints" screen. So ... oki, done :)

@poutnik
what is the problem with this slider?  ;D. It jumps with certain steps (10 or 25%) and I found it quite easy to set precise value. It sounds like it does not work as expected. May you post a screenshot where may be visible a problem little bit? Thanks!

@Andrew Heard
now ok ... fine. Error 14199 is the worst that may happen. It is the last step when the app handles some negative states and this says something like: "I really do not know what happen. Server does not respond or I do not understand this answer or there is some problem with data ... sorry, do not know". So it may be a serious problem or it may be just a minor issue in my code. When this happens, it may be useful to create quickly a bug report over the system. There may be some more info ...

@slarti76
hmm, your description of how it works is precise. And a good point.
Asking for "discard" when leaving the planner is not ideal I think. I'll do something with it ... thanks!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: poutnikl on January 22, 2021, 11:50:47
@poutnik
what is the problem with this slider?  ;D. It jumps with certain steps (10 or 25%) and I found it quite easy to set precise value. It sounds like it does not work as expected. May you post a screenshot where may be visible a problem little bit? Thanks!

I suppose it does work as expected and it is not very difficult. It just seems to me as a not necessery inconvenience, being very sensitive. I can live with it, using it seldom. But I can imagine it could be a challenge on small screens. ( I have 6"  ).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 22, 2021, 12:20:07
New version *** MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 2_984_beta *** ready-to-play!

Enjoy weekend!

@poutnikl
hmm oki, so what is the suggestion? I still use the Pixel 2 device (5''! screen) and never had a problem with this and I currently have no idea, how to make it better.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: poutnikl on January 22, 2021, 12:30:42
I would go for a non-linear scale.  As linear steps by 25%  are not  really useful on the right end  ( .....750-775-800% ).

E.g.: Instead of   100-125-150-175-200-225-250-275-.....- 750-775-800

I would use something like   100-125-150-175-200-250-300-400-500-600-800

In case the library does not offer nonlinear numeric output of the slider dialog, but allows some textual slider hints, then I would implement those numbers as hints. And then I would do internal mapping of the linear output to a nonlinear value list.

But I can imagine it is more complicated, with relation to the interactively zoomed map within the dialog.

Or, if applicable a roll-out menu of the predefined value list, but I guess some nonlinear slider could be optimal, regardless of the chosen scale span.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on January 22, 2021, 13:40:05
Just checked the latest version and I have some strange behavior. There is an image in geocache listing. If I try to click on the image directly from cache detail I got toast message saying "you're missing app in your device for your action". if I click on "more" (to see whole listing) and click on image again I get blank page. Any idea which app I'm missing?

https://ibb.co/CP2K7zM
https://ibb.co/Z29kMrp
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 22, 2021, 13:48:05
First initialisation gives a very poor graduated fill in dark mode. See picture.
I think this screen now only appears the very first time the app or updated app is run but I can't be sure. Text appears over the top of it shortly - it used to say something like "firing up the warp engines" but now says something more serious.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210122/1e1e8cc3adfe222ecee0a8a587fcec44.jpg)

Sent from my moto g(6) plus using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 22, 2021, 14:53:17
@slarti76
hmm, your description of how it works is precise. And a good point.
Asking for "discard" when leaving the planner is not ideal I think. I'll do something with it ... thanks!
Pondered it again, I think there should be a warning if you open the planner while there are unsaved changes from a previous session.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 23, 2021, 19:59:08
Internal BRouter (LoRouter) is not working for me with the fast car or eco car profiles. See screenshot. Works ok with bike and foot profiles. Works ok with online LoRouter and my own installation of BRouter.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210123/26b70069cb00d849977cbda83f302568.jpg)

Sent from my moto g(6) plus using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 23, 2021, 20:15:22
Internal BRouter (LoRouter) is not working for me with the fast car or eco car profiles. See screenshot. Works ok with bike and foot profiles. Works ok with online LoRouter and my own installation of BRouter.

confirm
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Erelen on January 23, 2021, 21:42:21
Bug with main menu

If there is unread Locus notification - I see all menu (configurable 6 buttons). But after I close notification - menu doesn't fit.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Erelen on January 23, 2021, 21:47:41
Bug with overlay button in "Map-screen content" menu.

If I turn on last overlay by "eye" button - this menu line still contains "Map overlay disabled". I can see overlay name only after close and reopen "Map-screen content" menu.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 25, 2021, 09:26:33
@slarti76
hmm, your description of how it works is precise. And a good point.
Asking for "discard" when leaving the planner is not ideal I think. I'll do something with it ... thanks!
Pondered it again, I think there should be a warning if you open the planner while there are unsaved changes from a previous session.
Did you already change that in latest beta? Because I think I accidentally had the same situation again, and this time there was a dialog box. If so, thx, that's much better :)

Another tiny thing: In the sync screen, when I change the "Automatic Sync" setting and go back to the sync overview, it still shows the previous setting. Have to go out of sync and open it again, then the setting is displayed correctly.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 25, 2021, 11:29:04
@poutnikl
thanks Libor, makes sense. These seek bars are fully under my control, so it was not a big "problem". Done.

@Raddino
may you please post here a "cache code" of the cache to test? I'm unable to find out the cache on the geocaching.com web site  ::)

@john_percy
thanks John, improved!
Thanks you and @balloni55 for notification on the BRouter problem. I thought it is already solved, hmm ...

@slarti76
did you try the latest version? There already should be an improvement! Ah new post, you tried it now ... fine :)

Sync screen > fixed.

@Erelen
- the problem in menu > thanks, fixed!
- overlay button > fixed as well
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: blackpanther on January 25, 2021, 20:36:24
I'm testing LM4 since a few weeks and I really like it. The new interface is great but there are some little bugs in it.

1) the last line in the main menu is cut off

2) Map Overlay Menu is also cut off

3) In the "set functions panel" menu German translation for "bottom panel" is not updated. It should be "untere Leiste"
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on January 25, 2021, 22:25:01
@Raddino
may you please post here a "cache code" of the cache to test? I'm unable to find out the cache on the geocaching.com web site  ::)

https://coord.info/GC1B54N (https://coord.info/GC1B54N)

Now I can see that the picture is not working on website anyway. My bad. If it isn't a 2 minutes fix let's ignore it :) there's no chance to cover all possible mistakes from cache owners.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 25, 2021, 23:30:15
My 1st intensive use of LM4 on a 600km bike ride including lots of night riding (not just sofa/ office/ short bike ride) provides new insights:
It's the first time in many many months I've looked at the LM3 Pro interface & forget these little details.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 26, 2021, 08:33:07
@blackpanter
thanks for testing!
1,2) bottom cuts are made as an intent to notify user, there is more content that may be revealed
3) texts for LM4 are not yet translated. This one will be fixed later.

@Raddino
hmm as you wrote, the link under the first image points to an invalid Url ...

@Andrew Heard
nice test, thanks!

So general problem > visibility and tapping on the zoom buttons.
I've just added a small "protective area" around these two buttons to prevent accidental clicks on the map in case tapping right next to it. More challenging is visibility. Compare to LM3, it highly depends on the background map. So I first suggest changing your map  ;D

Disabling POIs > hmm you mean keeping them visible, but just ignore tapping right? Nothing like this is currently possible. Anyway handling a map in gloves is a problem of course. Maybe a control of the zoom with hardware volume buttons may help here?

Rescaling of most of the UI elements does not work (yet).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 27, 2021, 04:53:09
I've just added a small "protective area" around these two buttons to prevent accidental clicks on the map in case tapping right next to it.
nice improvement, will look forward to testing; but do you see the issue with map rotation and active route (track) generally being perfectly aligned with the "-" zoom button? The zoom buttons could be spaced a little further apart & not right in the horizonal-middle of screen.

Compare to LM3, it highly depends on the background map. So I first suggest changing your map  ;D
understood; with LM3 the map color isn't an issue but now the buttons "blend" in when the map is same color as the buttons. It's just an observation, not a suggestion to change.

Disabling POIs > hmm you mean keeping them visible, but just ignore tapping right? Nothing like this is currently possible. Anyway handling a map in gloves is a problem of course. Maybe a control of the zoom with hardware volume buttons may help here?
all good suggestions thanks - either hiding POI or ignoring taps - either option would do the trick. While riding, ignoring all single tap "zones" except buttons could be very helpful/ less prone to errors. With night/ gloves I can't "feel" or see the power button (I have to turn on my helmet-mounted light), so volume buttons would have same problem, plus the buttons are concealed in the phone cradle anyway.

Rescaling of most of the UI elements does not work (yet).
OK - patience ;-)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 27, 2021, 08:10:19
I never considered the position of the zoom buttons as a problem. Buttons are connected to the big centering button, not directly to the center of the screen. So it depends on the screen resolution. But yes, usually they are close to the middle.

The color of the buttons is an interesting topic. A single color probably can't be always "perfect". I'll maybe try to play a little bit with shadows > thanks for the tip.

Controlling is a problem with gloves ... always. Hmm, what you need is close to the existing "Screen lock" function, except this completely disable all taps. Hmm ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 27, 2021, 08:38:35
I never considered the position of the zoom buttons as a problem. Buttons are connected to the big centering button, not directly to the center of the screen. So it depends on the screen resolution. But yes, usually they are close to the middle.

The color of the buttons is an interesting topic. A single color probably can't be always "perfect". I'll maybe try to play a little bit with shadows > thanks for the tip.

Controlling is a problem with gloves ... always. Hmm, what you need is close to the existing "Screen lock" function, except this completely disable all taps. Hmm ...
Doesn't everyone use the volume buttons with gloves? ;)
That said, I also sometimes thought it would be great to have a "limited screen lock", where zooming and panning is possible, but no other interaction (except disabling the screen lock, obviously). During a tour, I often take out the phone to look at the map, and then I want to see what's ahead, but can't pan in Screen lock mode.
Dreaming on about this, why not hide all buttons and stuff in screen lock? They are useless and give the wrong impression they are active. Then screen lock would be just the map over the full display, allowing zooming and panning, and of course the slide from the left to deactivate it. Whatcha think?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 27, 2021, 09:03:11
I find all keys difficult with gloves on. When hiking, I use the volume buttons to zoom. When cycling I use external Bluetooth buttons.
I could envision having more voice control support in the future. Has only now been expanded by google. You can control tasks in apps via assistant.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 27, 2021, 12:13:11
I'm getting this error frequently when updating a list of geocaches
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 27, 2021, 13:07:56
Hello menion
is it possible to also add a "guide on button" to the selection list of the 3 geocache quick selection options?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: karlchick on January 27, 2021, 18:08:32
I just tried out the Dark Mode feature of LM4 as this is the main feature of interest for me, as LM3 is useless for night time walking.

It is a big improvement having dark menus etc. But there are still a couple of annoying things that make it less useful for night use:
    1 - The zoom control and centre on location buttons are very bright white (see first attachment)
            - would be good to have these darker in dark mode, or customisable in the expert settings perhaps...
            - I like to always have this on display, in the LM3 they were dark and part of the lower button bar (see third attachement).
    2 - When you zoom out the background colour of the undrawn map area is very bright (see second attachment)

As is currently stands LM4 is not providing me with a usable dark mode.
If fixable, this would be a feature that might convince me to move to LM4 subscription model later, otherwise I am very happy with LM3 (I don't need the online/cloud capabilities, just static off-line maps with route planning...)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 27, 2021, 22:02:09
I could envision having more voice control support in the future.
@freischneider - when I'm cycling & phone is mounted on the bike, the internal microphone/ amplifier is completely saturated/ overloaded by the low frequency of road vibration, so voice control is impossible. Wind & other traffic noise would also be confusing factors to consider. I guess a Bluetooth microphone is the only way to overcome these issues.

it would be great to have a "limited screen lock", where zooming and panning is possible, but no other interaction (except disabling the screen lock, obviously). During a tour, I often take out the phone to look at the map, and then I want to see what's ahead, but can't pan in Screen lock mode.
Dreaming on about this, why not hide all buttons and stuff in screen lock? They are useless and give the wrong impression they are active.... Whatcha think?
@slarti76 - that sounds exactly what I'm looking for!!

    1 - The zoom control and centre on location buttons are very bright white
@karlchick - similar to my LM3/LM4 experience/ thoughts although for a different reason
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Erelen on January 28, 2021, 06:07:19
0) current beta will expire in 4 days :)

1) in Locus dark mode, there is small light gap in left side of panels (screenshot only for bottom panel, but top panel is affected too). In Locus light mode there is no gap.

2) I use pannels auto-hide in 5 seconds. So, every Locus start I see unnesesary flickering: I see panles after start, and in 5 seconds they hides. Maybe, don't show pannels on start, if autohide enabled - it's better UX? Or another way: restore last panels state (I know several users, who set autohide time to unreal big value, and show/hide panles manually by doubletap).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 28, 2021, 07:02:24
I could envision having more voice control support in the future.
@freischneider - when I'm cycling & phone is mounted on the bike, the internal microphone/ amplifier is completely saturated/ overloaded by the low frequency of road vibration, so voice control is impossible. Wind & other traffic noise would also be confusing factors to consider. I guess a Bluetooth microphone is the only way to overcome these issues.
It works wonderfully. I'm already testing it with the detour "Tasker, Autovoice". Activate it with a button.
But that shouldn't be an issue here now. When LM4 is running you can talk about it.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 28, 2021, 12:53:42
@slarti76
yes, that sounds like a nice screen lock improvement  ;)

@Diddi
this definitely is not an error from Locus Map, but more probably from Geocaching4Locus. So, unfortunately, it has to be reported to its developer.

@balloni55
"Guide on" is available directly under the "Navigation" icon which is always visible, so it does not sound to me like an improvement.

@karlchick
nice feedback, thanks!
1. buttons, yes they are currently unaffected by the Dark mode settings. Will look at it.
2. this color is already changed by the "Night mode" color for the map so "Dark mode" for the app should behave like this as well. Improved.

And stay with LM3, it won't be a problem :).

@Erelen
0) ah damn, I hoped we will have already a final version out ... thanks
1) ah yes, I always forget to do something with it. Fixed.
2) should be already configurable by config.cfg parameter "gui_main_screen_visible_panels_at_start"
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: baegas on January 28, 2021, 13:38:49
locus map pro supports full screen monitor on Samsung DeX
When I ran the locus map4 beta 2 version on DeX yesterday, it seems that it cannot support full screen.
I would like to support this part as well :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on January 28, 2021, 14:15:10
Quote
"Guide on" is available directly under the "Navigation" icon
i know
Quote
"Navigation" icon which is always visible
not for me, if i define 3 geocache quick selection button, then the navigation button moves to the selection menu and 3 clicks are necessary to start guide on.
If guide on would be available in the quick selection, it would be only one click.
When i have opened a cache mostly the next step is "guide on"
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on January 28, 2021, 14:45:46
locus map pro supports full screen monitor on Samsung DeX
When I ran the locus map4 beta 2 version on DeX yesterday, it seems that it cannot support full screen.
I would like to support this part as well :)
Weird, for me (Galaxy Tab S5e), LMP doesn't go to fullscreen or even resize in DeX. Didn't try LM4 yet...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 28, 2021, 16:52:22
If the bottom panel is hidden, then the main menu could move further down. And at the same time the map content panel too.
See picture: Panel_visible
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 28, 2021, 22:16:44
I know several users, who set autohide time to unreal big value, and show/hide panles manually by doubletap
clever idea - thanks
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 29, 2021, 13:38:38
If the bottom panel is hidden, then the main menu could move further down. And at the same time the map content panel too.
See picture: Panel_visible
Same here. But: some phones have rounded corners. Stuff in the corners is not displayed there. It's the case on my mate 20 X. Plus, there's many "long" phones with hd+ resolution. mine iis 1080*2244. So vertically there's enough space. The current state is rather optimal for my device.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 29, 2021, 13:46:13
Main menu has "Data manager" and "Tracks & routes manager" - same? Edit: ok, no. Data manager opens the last opened state, either points or tracks.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 29, 2021, 14:07:36
Siberia is now a german province...

Maybe Locus shouldn't try to interpret what is in a folder? See screenshot, I have changing oam maps in that OAM folder. Menion you don't want me to put the Czech Republic into that folder 😁

EDIT: Tried it, the Czech Republic wins. Folder is named after the first file in the alphabet. Not useful, I think.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 29, 2021, 14:24:21
I found a small issue. Tried to delete an offline map (the Czech Republic from above posting) from within the Locus map manager. It said "process successful" but map stayed alive, nothing changed. Probably no access on my external SD. That's fine, but its message is wrong.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 29, 2021, 15:54:42
The new version MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 3_985_beta,  as usually at the last moment on Friday, ready to play with.

@baegas
I do not have experience with the "Dex" system, but the whole "full-screen" system needs a bigger update. I'm sure, once done, it will help on Dex as well.

@balloni55
understand your point with the "guide on" button. But it leads more to a robust setup of the bottom panel for all buttons, not just few special geocaching. And this is not planned for now.

@freischneider
the button is moved a little bit up, to be aligned with the centering button. There is nothing that may convince me that it does not look nice :).

@tapio
well, a good old Map manager has many problems, not just this one. That's why I almost two years ago started work on the new Map Manager V2. It is in Beta under the "beta" category ... but it is not yet finished. Anyway thanks for reports, mainly about deleting of the map. I'll try to look at it.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Erelen on January 29, 2021, 19:54:21
Beta 3

Thanks for all fixes!

1. Map overlay in "Map-screen content" menu (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7188.msg61843#msg61843). Now it works, but with annoying delay about 1 second. Normally, in this time I can read, what overlay map is used and close side-panel... But I still waiting for menu update.

2. Center and zoom  buttons now is too dark, comparing with bottom panel color. It looks strange... Too contrast with map and panel?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 29, 2021, 20:54:45
1. don't hurry too much :). The app waits for the finished setup of the overlay ... I'll try to speed it up a little bit  ::)

2, I know I know ... consider this as "proof of concept". It is not that bad, but should be closer to the rest of the dark UI, agree.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 29, 2021, 22:35:02
So general problem > visibility and tapping on the zoom buttons.
I've just added a small "protective area" around these two buttons to prevent accidental clicks on the map in case tapping right next to it. More challenging is visibility. Compare to LM3, it highly depends on the background map.
@Menion - dark mode is one workaround to improve visibility of these buttons.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on January 29, 2021, 22:42:07
@Andrew Heard
You may as well have some very dark map ... it is not an ideal solution.

- protective area: check the exact area on the screenshot. You are probably a little bit out of bounds
- map refresh, I'll check it thanks ... EDIT: testing, and seems to work. The first time, I had online LoMaps. After the change to offline vector map, all works. Isn't this your problem as well?
- dark mode > I do not think it is something that most people should change often. So no for now.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 29, 2021, 23:11:26
The protective area is working better on phone (only just tested) than tablet (in previous reply). However remember the screen cap looks a LOT bigger than on actual device, so the POI was visible very close to the button. My tested POI (in my screen cap) would be within your red rectangle.

Map refresh - checked again - OK on phone but with tablet after theme switch all POI are displayed, but base map stays black (dark theme) or white (light theme) until I drag the offline map. It appears related to the theme because 1 preset is 100% OK whereas 2 presets are bad. I'm sure this didn't happen in beta 2.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: karlchick on January 30, 2021, 00:33:40
Woo hoo! I love the improvements for dark mode. Now totally usable at night.

I agree the buttons are probably too black now though. Is it possible to use an alpha setting to match the rest of the GUI?

If the intention is to make the the buttons stand out against the bottom bar, perhaps a lighter or different colour (eg red-ish) or less/more alpha...

But thank you again for the dark map background!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on January 30, 2021, 11:19:54
In the update info you write: updated links to LM4 manual.
When I click on manual nothing happens.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: WujTom on January 30, 2021, 12:08:39
The day before yesterday and yesterday until ~ 17:00 I had a problem with the synchronization of training. Is it just me?

With the beta now valid until March 1, have your plans for the final release for March changed?

Do you plan to make the website available for testing (with route planning and training statistics)? If so, when?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on January 30, 2021, 18:53:02
When I pan the map in dark mode, I find the map tiles appearing out of black tiles disconcerting and less smooth than previously. I was going to suggest you detect and use the background colour of the map but just realised that would only work for vector maps.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on January 30, 2021, 23:52:09
Quote

When I pan the map in dark mode, I find the map tiles appearing out of black tiles


Since last version I have the same problem ..🤔
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Ricardo Borges on January 31, 2021, 02:09:23
Add Dark Mode icon in Quick Settings would be great!

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on January 31, 2021, 02:56:52
When I pan the map in dark mode, I find the map tiles appearing out of black tiles disconcerting and less smooth than previously.
me too

You may as well have some very dark map ... it is not an ideal solution.
@Menion - you can see from my screen caps the map color has not changed; should I be expecting it to be dark?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on January 31, 2021, 11:16:57
Would it make sense so make the protective area around the zoom buttons also "touchable", so that the invisible area around the button is also part of the button? The zoom buttons are the only buttons on the map screen that are sometimes hard to target, also without gloves... Maybe also adding a little more space between these two buttons could improve this.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on January 31, 2021, 13:43:26
In dark mode, on zooming via the buttons, it temporarily shows a kind of the inverted map theme. I am using oam/lomaps + vol UK.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on January 31, 2021, 15:36:43
Little bug while recording a track:
After some time the icon in the left bottom changed from "active tracking" (pause key) to "start track" (Play key).

Tracking itself was working finde the whole time.
Title: multiple crashes
Post by: jonny.blue on January 31, 2021, 23:05:54
Since 2 or 3 versions LM crashes during longer (1-2 hours) trips.
I can't repeat the steps but it always happens when using the map ... switch to points ... log caches ... zoom ... and sometimes LM stops without any message.
When I start again the recording continues ( one time it records but doesn't show the created line). Navigation and waypoint alarm have to be started new ...
Title: Re: multiple crashes
Post by: freischneider on February 01, 2021, 06:40:38
Since 2 or 3 versions LM crashes during longer (1-2 hours) trips.
I can't repeat the steps but it always happens when using the map ... switch to points ... log caches ... zoom ... and sometimes LM stops without any message.
When I start again the recording continues ( one time it records but doesn't show the created line). Navigation and waypoint alarm have to be started new ...
Immediately afterwards I would make an error log and send Menion.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 01, 2021, 16:23:12
I'm not fast enough to handle all feedback quickly, sorry :).

@Andrew Heard
"Protective area" on tablets > hmm, will have to try. Anyway as wrote @luce below ... I was also thinking about it, but choose the most simple solution to do. Seems there is interest in this feature > I'll try to invest a little more time into this.

"Map refresh" > it will be harder.

Map color in dark does not change. For this already exists "Map color mode" settings.

@freischneider
ah thanks, stupid issue!

@WujTom
no problems with sync noticed. What exactly was the problem?

No change in plans ... just a usual small delay here and there :-\

Web for testing > final steps in progress - automatic sync after changes. Hopefully next week!

@john_percy, @jonny.blue
hmm, I'll look at it ...

@Ricardo Borges
"dark mode" settings into quick settings hopefully won't be necessary.

@Diddi
an interesting observation with the recording button. Never saw anything like this and I use recording almost daily. Any other UI problem except this button on the main screen?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on February 01, 2021, 16:28:48
I had one other bug in main screen for only one time. After going back from mobile phone screen lock to locus map view (with finger print), there was a gap between the top bar (with coordinates) and the active guide to a cache bar, so that I could see about 1cm of the map.
Forgot to take a screenshot...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 01, 2021, 16:31:45
Little bug while recording a track:
After some time the icon in the left bottom changed from "active tracking" (pause key) to "start track" (Play key).

Tracking itself was working finde the whole time.
I had a similar problem. But was 2 versions back.
I have recorded and normally the red dot for recording is shown. This was suddenly gone. Screen off and on again. Then he was back. The recording was active the whole time. Nothing was missing in the track. Only the symbol wasn't always there.

The problem has never reappeared since. But there was also an update 2 days later and I thought that would fix it. That's why I didn't write anything.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 01, 2021, 19:11:32
These graphical problems may appear due to the complexity of the whole main screen layout. Fortunately, they are not serious problems.

I've added one more refresh of the "track rec button", so it should help here.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on February 01, 2021, 21:34:50
Still getting "nothing to display" instead of the map name. It's annoying because I can't change the theme without selecting the map again.
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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 01, 2021, 22:16:37
When I pan the map in dark mode, I find the map tiles appearing out of black tiles disconcerting and less smooth than previously.
me too
I uninstalled LM4 beta 985 & installed LM4 beta 984 but unfortunately it has expired, so there is no way to compare the performance or regressions. But as I've said previously & after more testing I am now 100% that changing themes or maps in latest beta has resulted in the map sometimes not being refreshed. It is not 100% repeatable. I continually switch back & forth between maps & themes using presets. Sometimes the map is displayed, sometimes left blank. POI are always refreshed. It's not related to dark/ light mode. I have to drag the map to force a refresh. This is something that has never occurred in previous betas.

PS 30m later: after re-install LM4 beta 985 & restore settings I can no longer reproduce this map refresh issue. No other settings changes. Now refreshing is 100% reliable again but I can't provide any further info what has changed.

I note @Menion has made 12,000 posts & been thanked 500 times. SUPER effort.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: ADiet on February 01, 2021, 22:25:01
I found another little problem. In the left menu "nearest points" the first 5 points flickers.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: baegas on February 02, 2021, 04:17:20
Route planner turns off when I create and write a point in the route planner and then long press the wrong point to delete it

Attach the photo link and YouTube link below

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HY6nfa1j2PjeHV4SA

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rh1JWTApPJaH3fNBA

https://youtu.be/omejCuxUYcs
ㄴYouTube

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bbFMg98JrMz-aHXh2Jhbc12ZSF33uy6H/view?usp=sharing
ㄴLink to video file
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 02, 2021, 05:45:21
Attach the photo link and YouTube link below
@baegas if it helps you can also attach photos/ files direct to your forum posts instead of needing another service.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: baegas on February 02, 2021, 07:01:19
Attach the photo link and YouTube link below
@baegas if it helps you can also attach photos/ files direct to your forum posts instead of needing another service.

@Andrew Heard   Thanks Andrew Heard

The video I tried to upload is over 13MB, so I reduced the size, but it was over 3MB
However, the LM4 forum bulletin board here cannot be registered if it exceeds 2MB, so I used YouTube and Google Drive.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: WujTom on February 02, 2021, 09:12:48
....
@WujTom
no problems with sync noticed. What exactly was the problem?
....

Syncing message is displayed for a long time. Ending in error.
I checked that I had an internet connection (a web browser on my smartphone) and the problem repeats itself sometimes. for up to a few hours. The problem occurs in beta2 and beta 3.
It's not everyday. The last time the problem was yesterday morning and in the afternoon it was ok.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on February 02, 2021, 22:53:36
Overlay seems impossibly unstable (particularly SRC in and SRC out) in v 4.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210202/2359c76e8e845b0298424460cfb26c98.jpg)

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 03, 2021, 06:34:47
the LM4 forum bulletin board here cannot be registered if it exceeds 2MB, so I used YouTube and Google Drive.
@baegas - yeah I just meant smaller files like screen captures. Could save you some time & can be viewed direct from the post.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 03, 2021, 11:24:36
@Andrew Heard
unreproducible problems ... they are worst :).

Hey 12k, nice. Together with 18k on the help desk ... uff.

@ADiet
ah, good observation.

@baegas
ah what a serious problem. Probably also in public Locus Map Pro/Free versions. Thanks, fixed!

@WujTom
hmm, in this case, may you right after the sync fail, create a bug report by this method (https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:faq:how_to_create_debug_log)? Thanks

@john_percy
yes I know. This problem happens on quite a lot of devices for many many years and I'm sorry > I have no idea how to fix it.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Doggy on February 03, 2021, 13:23:07
[CZ] Zdravím ve spolek. V barevném módu mapy v nočním režimu neodpovídají turistické trasy svojí barvou realitě.
Chyba to asi není, ty barvy jsou tam všechny takové zpřeházené, nicméně u těch turistických a případně cyklistických tras si myslím, že by byla přehlednější orientace v terénu, kdyby barvy odpovídaly realitě.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 03, 2021, 14:26:30
"Dark color mode" for the map just invert map colors, nothing more. What you need is a directly created "Night vector map theme". Not sure if such a theme exists ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: karlchick on February 04, 2021, 08:50:49
"Dark color mode" for the map just invert map colors, nothing more. What you need is a directly created "Night vector map theme". Not sure if such a theme exists ...

My "OS Map" theme provides both day and night themes. It supports LoMap and both v3 and v4 OAM vector map formats. Link to theme post:

https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7000.0
 (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7000.0)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jeffreyk on February 07, 2021, 13:54:11
I've checked this on a couple of devices, the device orientation is wrong in landscape.  I don't think its switching so the device view is out by 90'
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: baegas on February 08, 2021, 02:53:40
If it can be made in the upcoming LM4, it would be nice to have LoPoints support by voice when performing navigation or guidance.
Is it possible?  :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 08, 2021, 09:21:55
@jeffreyk
may you be more specific, please?

@baegas
heh :). Not an easy task a few weeks before release  :D
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 08, 2021, 10:54:54
Menion, didn't you want to make bigger changes to the point system? The trackpoint screen really deserves previous/next buttons, we already talked about it.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: ADiet on February 08, 2021, 23:01:15
Hi, just now I found a problem with the overlay maps. If the overlays in the left menu is switched on, the maps flickers and produces much things on the screen.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on February 08, 2021, 23:24:51
@ADiet See my post earlier and @Menion reply
https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7188.msg61948.msg#61948
https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7188.msg61952.msg#61952

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 09, 2021, 09:29:23
@tapio

so you mean this topic: https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/track_editor_swipe_through_points

that should look like this?  ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 09, 2021, 11:38:18
@tapio

so you mean this topic: https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/track_editor_swipe_through_points

that should look like this?  ;)
I also have something about the points screen. The screen opens from bottom to top.

The same when I long click on an area in the map. Then the info also opens from bottom to top. And I can close it again by swiping down.
This is also the case with grouped points. The window opens from bottom to top and can be closed again by swiping down.

But the Points screen cannot be closed by swiping from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 09, 2021, 18:37:46
Sure. The screen opens in two modes. When you are on the main map screen and work with the map, screens open from the bottom in "collapsed" mode to save some screen space and display only main info. Otherwise, the screen is visible as a fullscreen window, not as a special bottom dialog, and then it is not possible to "swipe down to dismiss".

Give it some time. Field testing confirms if current behavior makes sense or not.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 09, 2021, 21:25:51
Yes, it doesn't make sense for screens that are in full screen mode. When they cover the whole screen. But screens that only cover part of the screen are swiped intuitively from top to bottom. The main menu screen is the same. The map content panel is the same, but it is swiped from left to right. I hope your tests agree ... I'll wait.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 09, 2021, 21:44:02
Wait wait ... when you tap on the point directly on the map, so only part of the map is covered, you are unable to dismiss this bottom "dialog" with a swipe from top to the bottom? You wrote this, but it definitely should work!

I thought you talk about a full-screen point screen (like click on the point in the "Points manager", not directly on the map screen).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 10, 2021, 17:49:52
I create a point by selecting it on the map. Then I add an image by selecting it from memory. Save point. When I try to delete the picture, LM4 crashes. After restarting again tries to delete the picture. Crashed again. Can you reproduce it?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Frivold on February 11, 2021, 11:39:54
I am looking forward to the release of LM4. I really like this version.

I am a bit curious about the new web-planner. How far it it away from testing? Will it be translation on this part to? (I am translating LM to norwegian).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: ADiet on February 11, 2021, 22:38:08
When I want to delete a point in routing planner, locus crashes.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 12, 2021, 14:51:53
When I want to delete a point in routing planner, locus crashes.
Same.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 12, 2021, 15:04:42
When in an outdoor situation and my favourite and naive question arises, "how far / long will it take until we reach xy point", the Analyzer is useful - but I think the estimated travel time is just too hidden. Could be more in your face or even auto calculated. Screenshot related.
Didn't it make an estimation in the lower pane, for newly planned tracks with no timestamps?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 12, 2021, 20:35:41
New version MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 6_988_beta, download (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t1CYpIhHGZXjNBqOFUPQKTTvddj7VVCv?usp=sharing)

And do not forget on one new topic about the web planner (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7232.0) ;)

Crashes should be fixed. @tapio, this is another older problem (missing feature). Not sure how many new things I'll be able to finish before we will release a public version ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 13, 2021, 00:37:09
cloud sync: 100% reliable so far between phone/ website, well done. Tested adds/ edits/ deletes both ways.

track editor: it's great to see the previous/ next buttons for the point detail, and long tap for 1st/ last point, but please also (re)add the recorded timestamp of the point into the statistics. I'm sure this was previously available, now there is no way to determine the time of riding at recorded point?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on February 13, 2021, 09:27:37
Online search
1. If I choose to "Search for postal addresses and LoPoints on the internet" I have three sources offered: Google, Graphhopper and Bing but not LoPoints. The results look as if LoPoints are automatically included. Correct? If so, not obvious.
In any case, I may not want to include LoPoints in my search. For example a search for Hyde Park returns a lot of (LoPoints) establishments with Hyde Park in their name and I have to hunt for the location of the real Hyde Park. A search for Paradise is even worse!
2. But even worse, a search like above, followed by a click on a point often now leads to Locus crashing as it redraws the map.


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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: flyingman_ch on February 13, 2021, 15:24:02
Why is the country, canton or state no longer displayed for geocaches?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 13, 2021, 16:09:55
Ttackpoint screen, navigation through the TPs is nice, but idk yet, needs more map area... or at least possibility to zoom.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 13, 2021, 22:43:06
Latest Beta finally fixed the superlaggy Track Editor when deleting/editing points. It's orders of magnitudes faster now, minutes of waiting time turned to split seconds, no matter how huge the database.

Also, laggy list scrolling in track lists with plenty images in their description tags is fixed. Mini maps in track list still don't seem to be updated and mostly stay empty though. Shouldn't that happen automatically? What map data is used for that anyway, something online maybe?

Zooming in general with plenty points and lots of enabled tracks (tenthousands of trackpoints) seems way faster too. Zooming other regions of the map (where the enabled tracks aren't visible), is orders of magnitude quicker, as if no tracks were enabled at all. Impressive.

In fact, Locus feels so snappy now that I might consider trying to enable all my tracks of all my trips at the same time. This idea would make current Pro from Playstore cry for mercy and pretty much die in notime. Maybe this beta could handle it... :)

Good job with the performance... really! I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on February 13, 2021, 23:20:03
If I navigate with a preset linked to car navigation, Locus appears to no longer revert to the previous state when navigation ends.


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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 14, 2021, 10:05:22
Maybe a thought for post release. Since we can navigate through trackpoints in the trackpoint screen now...
Easy forward/next on "close to track" items would be nice. I'm thinking about geotagged pictures. Currently it is a bit clunky. Attachment related.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 14, 2021, 10:10:11
Not enough LoCoins - > buy LoCoins - > 404
Germany North
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 14, 2021, 10:22:05
4 overall thoughts about new trackpoint screen:

1. Needs zoom
2. Bigger icons please for the nav arrows
3. Is now starving for a possibility to created an embedded WP from the current tp. But additionally "Add embedded WP" should also be in the tracks context menu, because it has a position.
4. TP screen has info button bottom right. Can be removed. That screen has redundant information.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 14, 2021, 20:16:11
The track that is currently being recorded fails to refresh properly when display was off for a while. Only after repeated zoom operations will it appear on the map again.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 14, 2021, 22:16:21
1. Needs zoom
2. Bigger icons please for the nav arrows
+1
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on February 15, 2021, 09:06:10
4 overall thoughts about new trackpoint screen:
How do I get there? Have newest beta, but in normal view as well as track editor, there's only the well-known tooltips on each point.Sorry, found it. Didn't have that menu point enabled...

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3. Is now starving for a possibility to created an embedded WP from the current tp. But additionally "Add embedded WP" should also be in the tracks context menu, because it has a position.
Yes, yes, 1000x yes! Been hoping for this for ages... ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tannenzäpfle on February 15, 2021, 09:28:33
I uninstalled LM4 beta 985 & installed LM4 beta 984 but unfortunately it has expired, so there is no way to compare the performance or regressions.

Here the same problem, I have installed LM4 Beta 6

Hartmut
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 15, 2021, 09:29:51
4 overall thoughts about new trackpoint screen:
How do I get there? Have newest beta, but in normal view as well as track editor, there's only the well-known tooltips on each point.[/s]Sorry, found it. Didn't have that menu point enabled...

to help me too?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on February 15, 2021, 09:32:31
Weekend in the snow, first time with two devices (phone & tab) with LM4, syncing. Unfortunately, quite some minor and not-quite-so-minor problems, please have a look:

Additionally, a question: Even though both synced databases (track and waypoint) had the same content (I checked all folder contents), they had different sizes: The one which I synced later is 114MB, whereas the "original" is just 100MB.

And, last but not least, a little feature request: Would it be possible to extend the Export Track screen such that you don't have to select a single format, but instead have the buttons of all formats and then mark the onces you need? I very often need to export GPX and KML/KMX at the same time, would be great to be able to do it in one step.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 15, 2021, 09:44:52
to help me too?
See attachments.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 15, 2021, 11:08:24

  • Track editor: Insert/edit not working after 1 or 2 edits
    I edited a point, and perhaps a second point, but after that, Insert/Edit doesn't show the movable point icons anymore and is useless. Have to leave track editor and start it again. That's rather new, and I could reproduce it in LM3 and LM4. Definitely worked a while ago. Could make a video for that, too.


with with the same

at Tapio: Thank you
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 15, 2021, 13:42:02
@Andrew Heard
thanks for the tests!

- trackpoint timestamp: just scroll down, values should be at the bottom of the dialog

@john_percy
This is a correct observation. Online LoPoints are always included in the online search. We are trying to create a single united search across addresses/points in a single window. Online for now, offline later.

Option not-to-include LoPoints into search > I'll have to think about it ...

Thanks for the info about the crash > you are right, fixed!

Problem with restoring the state before preset was activated > unfortunately, I'm unable to simulate this issue. Does it happen always on your phone?

@flyingman_ch
good point, it was not intended. Re-added, thanks.

@tapio
I'll try to integrate it better with the currently visible map screen, which should cover the need for zoom & work with the map.

Interesting idea with swiping between interesting points on the track. I'm writing to "consider" list.

The small "i" button is only for testing purposes in the test version, no worry.

@joeloc
positive results, hmm nice, thanks too  ;)

Mini maps are (still) not yet rendered automatically after import, only when the track is created (route planner, track recording) directly in the app. Or manually by a long click on the preview.

Problem with the rendering of the recorded track .. good point > results of the optimizations. TODO

@slarti76
Thank you for the nice and precise report!

- not-synced points? Ah thanks, hopefully, get it.

- "synced tracks are sometimes not displayed after a sync" > visibility of points & tracks is not synced

- Track editor Insert/edit: Cannot select point exactly > as a fallback, still possible to move by the left/right arrows, right?

- Track editor: Insert/edit not working after 1 or 2 edits > I'm unable to simulate this issue in track editor, so video will be needed, thanks.

- Minimum zoom out factor not working > hmm, it has to be a really old problem. This parameter was completely ignored. So test it please in the next version.

- Display hiccups after startup/inactivity > not visible track recording should be fixed now. Do not know about the "Not visible active tracks" problem. How to simulate this? And the problem with "Nothing to display" in map content was already reported by @john_percy, but I was also not yet able to simulate this.

Different size in DB > It's possible. Can't say the exact reason without investigation.

Feature request > multi-export, sorry, not possible now. Too much work.

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on February 15, 2021, 15:30:46
@slarti76
Thank you for the nice and precise report!

- not-synced points? Ah thanks, hopefully, get it.

- "synced tracks are sometimes not displayed after a sync" > visibility of points & tracks is not synced
I know, but these tracks were displayed before. So track displayed -> sync -> track not displayed anymore. May also be related to experience after startup, see below, so will try again with next version.

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- Track editor Insert/edit: Cannot select point exactly > as a fallback, still possible to move by the left/right arrows, right?
It's not the selection of the point where to start Insert/edit, it's about the moving of the points. Hmm, I think the video is necessary.

Quote
- Track editor: Insert/edit not working after 1 or 2 edits > I'm unable to simulate this issue in track editor, so video will be needed, thanks.
Will do. Perhaps I can do both in one video.

Quote
- Minimum zoom out factor not working > hmm, it has to be a really old problem. This parameter was completely ignored. So test it please in the next version.
Thx, will do!

Quote
- Display hiccups after startup/inactivity > not visible track recording should be fixed now. Do not know about the "Not visible active tracks" problem. How to simulate this? And the problem with "Nothing to display" in map content was already reported by @john_percy, but I was also not yet able to simulate this.
That's what I meant, the "Nothing to display" bug was reported before, but happens very rarely. Not that important.
The thing about not visible track during recording was reported by @joeloc as well, just a few posts before my post. Anyway, didn't find a way to reproduce it, will watch it.

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Different size in DB > It's possible. Can't say the exact reason without investigation.
Nevermind, just weird, because synced two other devices before, and there the sizes were the same.

Quote
Feature request > multi-export, sorry, not possible now. Too much work.
Yeah, sorry, had this on my weekend's list, but really don't belong here. Will write an idea on help desk.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 15, 2021, 16:04:57
Re:
Quote
"I'll try to integrate it better with the currently visible map screen, which should cover the need for zoom & work with the map.
Interesting idea with swiping between interesting points on the track. I'm writing to "consider" list."
I am currently thinking
a) trackpoint details could be displayed like waypoint or geocoded pictures, in the new bottom area
b) in any of the above mentioned there should be a possibility to navigate fore/back. See attachment.
c) not sure about the future of the old fullscreen info pages
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 15, 2021, 16:11:59
Locus notification bar icon is "Rec with a small button", even when no track is actually being recorded and only guiding and/or live tracking is active.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 15, 2021, 16:17:35
On Android 11 (at least Samsung Variant), when an app asks for Location Permission after first install, you can only allow "while app is being used". This will prevent Locus from recording a track when the display is off, for example. You have to actively enter Android Settings and enable "always" for the location permission.

It would be nice if Locus could check the state of this permission when a user starts track recording and open those settings for him in case they are wrong. Otherwise users will not be able to properly record tracks unless they keep display on and Locus in front.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 15, 2021, 16:18:02
Longtap anywhere on map brings up place Information. But it does only stay if I do longtap+dragUp - it's a bit strange.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 15, 2021, 22:25:59
- trackpoint timestamp: just scroll down, values should be at the bottom of the dialog
@menion - thank you

In the track point editor mode (1st attached) it is now possible to long-tap the < and > buttons to go to first & last point. Nice.

Would it be possible to have same long-tap feature in Point Detail screen (2nd attached) for << and >> buttons? Also, as already mentioned, it would be good for these 4 buttons to be a little larger.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 15, 2021, 22:32:40
Quote
Different size in DB > It's possible. Can't say the exact reason without investigation.
Nevermind, just weird, because synced two other devices before, and there the sizes were the same.
@slarti76 if there has been lots of deletions (eg. tracks) on one device/ SQlite database, the file space is not immediately compacted for performance reasons. There is a VACUUM command (https://www.sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html) but not of importance to non-programmers.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on February 16, 2021, 08:24:27
@slarti76 if there has been lots of deletions (eg. tracks) on one device/ SQlite database, the file space is not immediately compacted for performance reasons. There is a VACUUM command (https://www.sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html) but not of importance to non-programmers.
Thx, I am a programmer and should've assumed something like this.
So far I always used FolderSync to sync my databases, so I'm getting cautious if two files are suddenly different even if they should contain the same data. I was also always unsure whether to sync the db-journal files, too. Well, not important anymore, now that built-in sync is (almost) ready to go.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on February 16, 2021, 09:33:11
- Track editor Insert/edit: Cannot select point exactly > as a fallback, still possible to move by the left/right arrows, right?

- Track editor: Insert/edit not working after 1 or 2 edits > I'm unable to simulate this issue in track editor, so video will be needed, thanks.
Ok, I uploaded a screen rec: https://web.tresorit.com/l/wK20Q#_nYQV5MhsBAegc98tyEAHw
The GPX is here: https://web.tresorit.com/l/iaPXe#0droDLmY3akKEnHm3OxnfQ

The second problem can actually also be solved by zooming out/in, but still a bug, you can see it in the video. Thx!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 16, 2021, 14:45:18
@slarti76
visible track > sync > track updated and no longer visible ... good observation, this probably happens. Little more complex to solve, but added to my to-do list, thanks!

The problem with the not visible track during recording should be fixed in the next version. App now uses more aggressive optimization for drawing content on the screen and the track was incorrectly detected as "not visible".

Thanks for the video, appreciate it!
- selection improved: the app will first try to find the nearest active point (green dot). If none is found, the nearest middle point (red dot) will be used. In the current version, sorting by distance from click was not correct.
- invisible handling points > hmm another side-effect of new optimization. Thanks, fixed!

@tapio
a) yes, that's what I tried to wrote > already implemented

A simple long-tap on the map screen does not display the bottom dialog?

@joeloc
I've never seen a recording button in the system bar when the recording was not active. It technically does not make sense. Any steps to reproduce it?

Permission to "Always use GPS even in the background" is complicated. What you see is best what the app can do. The app should not force users to enable "Use in background" settings, anyway, you should already see a warning dialog with "To navigate or record a track with the display off ..." text. Do you see it when starting recording and this option is disabled?

@Andrew Heard
long tap in point detail is not so simple like in Track editor, I was already looking at it. Anyway, I'll maybe improve it a little bit ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 16, 2021, 15:08:52
Longtap map, yes, sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Does not appear at all or only a small part which disappears if you lift finger. Does not seem to be related to fullscreen or display of toolbars. Device is 1920x2244
https://youtu.be/v46UVcPWQUo
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 16, 2021, 15:13:53
Locus crashes and quits hard when I click on one of the POIs in the attached image. I believe those are online POIs or some such, at least their not my own points and they don't appear when I'm offline.

N28.1614 W17.2680 Map is latest CanaryIslands from openandromaps.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 16, 2021, 15:16:58
Locus crashes and quits hard when I click on one of the POIs in the attached image. I believe those are online POIs or some such, at least their not my own points and the don't appear when I'm offline.
Seen such hard crashes on online poi usage as well. But I typically do not use them.
Yup,tried now. Show online poi, tap on a summit icon, boom crash.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 16, 2021, 15:23:29
I always have a Locus rec button in the system bar, regardless if I'm recording or not. See attached images.

Nope, Locus did not warn me when starting track recording and the gps permissions were wrong. That was the very first start after the very install of the very first Beta Version for me. Will try again to get that warning by playing with gps settings.

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Also, the Live Tracking notifications seem to hang around forever and never go away, long after Locus is quit (by pressing back two times). Something is fishy there. Pressing STOP on those notifications doesn't do anything either, obviously, because Locus is no longer running. They just seem dead, but still hang around.

That's nothing new though, I had that with Locus Pro from store as well.

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Locus is apparently doing networking again on main UI task. I suspect address query for new point dialog on long click. See attached picture with empty UI that I must stare at for plenty seconds before something happens.

Older Pro versions were already better at this. UI must never be blocked by networking... all buttons should immediately be visible and operational. Nor must the layout change, when the network query finally returns.

I know... 1gbit-wifi-couch-users-with-5g-backup will never ever realize anything is wrong. Unfortunately, 90% of this worlds land mass doesn't have those features... :).

Ps, nope...
if phoneisonline() donetworking()
is also NOT allowed on main UI thread.

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Long Tap to add a point, tap + to actually add it, edit the points name from the auto-queried address to something you want, tap Save. The new point is saved, but the screen popup still shows the auto-queried address instead of the new name. It should be updated to the new point name, in case you want to immediately do something with it (sharing etc).

Also, something is wrong with long tapping somewhere while gps centering is enabled. Long tap somewhere to add a point, the map centers to the long tapped spot, but then moves back to gps position after a while. You cannot see where you tapped any longer.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 18, 2021, 11:14:00
Also about points. When I add a new point somewhere, regardless with what method, it sometimes doesn't show up on the map. Only after repeated zoom ins and zoom outs I can actually see it.

Btw, apologies if it's too early for such usability reports. I am trying to use the Beta productively and exclusively as complete replacement for Locus Pro. Is that premature?

I also have a few sudden force quits (once or twice a day) simply while scrolling/zooming the map (with a lot of content). Is there any logfile I can look at and supply to find the reason?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: auric on February 18, 2021, 16:49:19
I am trying sync in combination with WebUi and it appears to me that Locus crashes a lot more. I don't know whether there are logs available. If so, please direct me to the correct location so that I can show you some stacktraces  :)

Specifically, these are the problems I notice:
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 18, 2021, 20:31:39
Thanks for the info about crashes with LoPoints > issue found & fixed.

@tapio
I've also noticed once or twice the problem with not appearing bottom dialog. Seems you have this issue a lot more often. I'll try to find a reason for this behavior ...

@joeloc
- permanently visible "track rec. notification" and others, in the top toolbar > when you restart your device, they diss-appear right? Are you able to simulate this behavior? Anyway, it's weird, I did not remember I saw something like this ...

- network on the main thread > heh, funny. This is technically impossible, Android deny this behavior for quite a long time. Anyway, I'm testing it, and really ... there smell something, hmm. (Little later) Thanks, got a small problem with the incorrect refresh of the UI during the loading. So next version.

- long tap, generally work with centering & visible popup will be completely new in the next version. I've rewritten it a lot to work better ...

- points that are not visible on the map after add > thanks, probably next victim of new "draw better" system we just updated. Next version ...

And no, it is definitely not too early. It is more too late :). I do many "risky" updates and we would really like to publish the version out very soon, so everything counts ...

@auric
Unfortunately, the app does not automatically report any crashes now, so I'll have to ask You and also @joeloc for help here. We have a little more complex description of how to create logs here (http://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:faq:how_to_create_debug_log), so please give it a try right after any crash appears. Thanks very much! I'm currently not aware of any crashes, so every log may be useful.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 19, 2021, 16:21:54
New version *** MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - Beta 7_989_beta *** just uploaded to Google Drive.

Quite a lot of various fixes & improvements. So mainly @joeloc & @auric, please update before further testing or creating bug reports. Thanks and enjoy the weekend to all!!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Jochen on February 19, 2021, 17:24:08
Hello Menion,

in the new Beta the route planner doesn't work anymore.

Kind regards

Jochen

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on February 19, 2021, 17:44:05
Hello Menion,

in the new Beta the route planner doesn't work anymore.

Kind regards

Jochen
Same for me

Sent from my moto g(6) plus using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: T-mo on February 19, 2021, 22:00:36
989_beta: route planner seems to work, but the track is not visible. Points/initery, chart and stats available.

blue-lock symbol: low contrast
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 19, 2021, 22:10:55
Route planners points and lines are invisible here as well. But adding new POIs on main app is much better now :).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 19, 2021, 23:12:47
Thanks guys, you are of course correct.
The new version "989 - Beta 8" published.

Just a small warning: small issues with rendering that happen in the few latest versions are caused by quite a massive change in the inner rendering system. It may take few more iterations till all will work correctly. The result of this should anyway be a lot better performance for rendering map content, mainly in case, the content won't be directly visible on the device screen. Sorry for this and thanks for your patience and help with testing!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Jochen on February 20, 2021, 00:16:44
Thank you very much for your quick help 😊👍.... Have a nice weekend☀️.


Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 21, 2021, 06:03:30
So this will explain why the recorded track is often not displayed? And sometimes takes lots of zoom in/out pan left/ right to encourage a map repaint?

beta 8 - opening change log screen is blank/ only release notes for 4.0.0 beta 6 are shown in Help
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on February 21, 2021, 12:51:32
With latest beta I had some weird problems.
I loaded some geocaches via nearest caches ... and tried to use such a new cache in route planer => LM crashes immediately.
After restart looked in points ... and there the new points are all invisible.
Tried to switch to visible with "all visible" ... doesn't work. Made them all unvisible and then visible ... works.
Played a little bit with this state .... and had following effect:
point was unvisible - I touched it - point was visible for a second and switched automaticly back to unvisible.🥴
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on February 21, 2021, 17:11:32
PS: even without 'new points' route planer crashes while creating new routes ... 🤔
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 21, 2021, 19:12:31
- routeplaner, click on geocache or poi icon > locus FC
- nearest points > click any of the list, list didn´t disappeares i have to swipe list left to see the selected one
- some locus icons and also some custom icons are not displayed in preview, there is only a blue dot
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 22, 2021, 08:23:31
Had Locus crash out in the wilds, but cannot tell what I did.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 22, 2021, 09:39:18
Thanks guys, issue with the crash in the route planner should be fixed now (version "Beta 9" uploaded).

@balloni55
missing icon > seems to be an icon from the folder - fixed, thanks.

@tapio
thanks for the useful bug report :).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on February 22, 2021, 11:35:48
Hi,

Few weeks ago I found here a link to online (destop-browser) version of locus map. I remember it was OSM map. I planned to check it more closely later but now I can't find the link. Can someone help me and reshare the link? Thanks!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: poutnikl on February 22, 2021, 11:49:53
https://web.locusmap.app

Sent from my Xiaomi MI A2 / Android 10, via Tapatalk

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 22, 2021, 12:58:57
Quote
issue with the crash in the route planner should be fixed now
confirm solved :)
@balloni55
missing icon > seems to be an icon from the folder - fixed, thanks.
confirm solved :)
Quote
- nearest points > click any of the list, list didn´t disappeares i have to swipe list left to see the selected one
no improvement :-[

i get different window headline and content when i select "log your visit"
- with icon from opened listig / quick select button > 1 online and 2 offline options
- with icon from guide on label 3dot button top right > 2 online and 1 offline options
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on February 22, 2021, 13:09:10
https://web.locusmap.app

Thanks!

Are there any plans to add also points/geocaches to the online map? Points/geocaches that I have imported in Locus and I have synced them to cloud? Simple name+icon. This would be great to plan geocaching trips as it will be faster to prepare track online and just sync it back to Locus.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 22, 2021, 13:29:03
expert settings/Geocaching "Offline logging of trackables"
in the field i allways log offline ;)

i still don't understand how to log TB's offline.
Is that possible for visited/droped/grabbed? and if so how
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 22, 2021, 19:34:11
I really like the behavior of Point Screen. Move map when opening and closing point screen by swiping.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 22, 2021, 22:47:08
I had a weird experience with the Route Planner in beta 8. Not a crash, but while planning a quite long route with many shaping points, the planner suddenly & silently closed, with a return to the normal map screen, and all my route lost when the Planner next opened. Only happened once; no idea how to reproduce it sorry.

beta 9 - point detail is truncated @ top when the description is too long for single line - see attached
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 23, 2021, 09:46:37
Very good behaviour of the trackpoint screen, with map move on open! Also, zooming via 2 fingers works (I was thinking it would close the bottom area). Good stuff!

- I think the 1 trackpoint fwd/backward arrows are too small.

- Moving an embedded waypoint to another position does not refresh it on display. It is only visually refreshed after hide/show of track.

- Opening times not fully visible, also alignment looks funny. Screenshot.

- Crash when tapping on online Lopoint "Post Filiale 509", 51.61619, 7.59881
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on February 23, 2021, 11:33:38
Beta 9 is crashing every time I try to Download a pocket query
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 23, 2021, 11:56:48
@balloni55
- ah, nearest point panel > thanks, improved now

- "Geocaching logs" panel > in the new panel is only incorrectly moved "offline" header, fixed. Both are otherwise the same. First use old Point screen which will be removed one day. Not an ideal solution, but for now most easy to do ...

- TB offline > well, I also do not know :D. We've received a request for offline TB logging and I've noticed in the code that it should work but was never published.
In the current Pro version, you can't log trackable offline, right? In the current Beta version, in case you have loaded profile and some TB items are in your inventory, you should be able to mark them to "drop" or "visit". When you will later upload your logs over "Logs manager", app should upload trackable logs as well.
But as I wrote, I did not test it now, so if it does not make sense or simply does not work, just let me know and I'll try to find some more time ...

@Raddino
web planner has its own topic: https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7232.0

@Andrew Heard
you definitely need a higher resolution :). I'll try to look at it

@tapio
- icons are small, I know. But the tapping area is big enough.
- thanks for the other three things, I've noted them and look at them. Opening hours definitely should not look like this :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on February 24, 2021, 09:50:37
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point was unvisible - I touched it - point was visible for a second and switched automaticly back to unvisible.🥴

I think I found the problem.
I had tested syncing again ... and as a result I had all entries duplicated.
Now I deleted all points in folder ... and visibility works like expected.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 24, 2021, 21:12:49
Betas unfortunately still fail miserably with long tap point window address search. All is fine when network is good, all is fine when phone is offline. All hell breaks lose when phone thinks it's online but network is bad. The point window either doesn't appear at all, or appears after a second... or 5 seconds... or 30. Absolutely horrible usability, user never knows what's going on. This thingy must always(!) show up and work after exactly [longtapdelay] milliseconds, no matter what messy state the network is in.

I really wish I could jinx your phone to edge-only and 50% packet loss for a week, menion... Locus would instantly start to become a lot nicer in the real world... outside gbit-wifi and 5g :-).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 24, 2021, 21:23:48
Had Locus crash out in the wilds, but cannot tell what I did.
Happens to me too... if only Betas would write crash logs and ask us to enail them to menion automatically on next Locus start. I am usually sweaty and in bright hot sunshine and sitting on my bike with a 150 heart rate and in a bad mood anyway because Locus died/disappeared and the last X minutes track weren't recorded. That's a bad state of mind and general situation for complex debugging steps... :-).

I meanwhile suspect Samsung/OneUI3/Androud11 to aggresively kill Apps with high memory usage btw when running in background, maybe that's the reason Locus disappears silently at least twice a day for me. Does a huge database mean too much memory usage as well?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 24, 2021, 23:11:21
bug: allow swipe-right to hide the Point Info panel in landscape mode; a swipe-down to hide in portrait mode works correctly.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: philj on February 25, 2021, 16:37:55
not sure if this was reported already - when opening a POI while in fullscreen mode, the bottom bar with the buttons (edit, navigate to, share etc) gets cut off as shown in the screenshot:
(https://i.imgur.com/GfOEFUS.jpg)

this is still present in v4 beta 9, the "original" Locus 3.50.1 does not have this issue

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on February 26, 2021, 10:29:56
Not sure if that's expected behavior but it feels weird to me.

goal: to check the geocaching viewpoint detail
steps to reproduce:
1) click on geocache on the map
2) click on waypoints
3) click on any waypoints (on the name)
4) nothing will happen (just visual confirmation that I clicked on the element)
5) click back using android navigation buttons
6) map is focused on the place where the waypoint is with new point window of the waypoint. (if I did not select to show the WP in step 3 there's nothing on the map, just the location)

I was expecting to jump from step 3 directly to step 6.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 26, 2021, 10:52:02
@Raddino
confirm your observation ???
in previous versions, your expected process has worked
Title: Android 11
Post by: jonny.blue on February 26, 2021, 11:20:37
With Android 11 this popup occurs almost every time after closing LM4 (with a delay of about 20 sec.,)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 26, 2021, 11:35:13
if I want to edit a track, it takes a long time. I click on the track at one point. Then I choose "Modify Track"
Then nothing happens for 5s. After that, the screen will go completely black. Only after 30s does it come on again and I can choose what I want to edit.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: flyingman_ch on February 26, 2021, 12:48:55
When I click on a cache from the map view and then on Update Cache, the cache is closed.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: flyingman_ch on February 26, 2021, 12:52:07
I open a cache from live map. Then why can't the waypoints be displayed? This is possible in version 3.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 26, 2021, 15:34:04
@jonny.blue
hmm and any idea how this duplication may happen?

"App not responding" error when app closing > hmm this does not happen to me, weird. Any bigger function running when closing app?

@joeloc
Another side problem regards the bottom point panel found > thanks, the next version should be again little better.
And the problem with crashes ... well, manual bug report till app will be on Google Play still needed, sorry.

@Andrew Heard
I do not consider missing swipe-to-dismiss as a bug. This side panel is completely different compare to the old side menu so this feature does not work. But it makes sense, agree. Added to "Todo", thanks.

@philj
ah, thanks. I've simulated this issue on emulator > should be fixed now

@Raddino
as @balloni55 wrote, it worked like this. But before, tap on waypoint displayed full-screen window. Now it is different and the app displays a small bottom panel and moves the map to the waypoint. So only missing step was hiding the list of waypoints. Fixed, thanks.

@freischnerider
this big delay in the display of the edit screen happen also for a very short track? And the detail of the track (the big screen with the chart, stats, etc) appears a lot faster?

@flyingman_ch
Closing a cache when updating > this happens for caches stored in the internal app database? I do not use live-map from G4L so to be true, I did not test this feature. Will have to ...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on February 26, 2021, 16:49:10
Quote
@jonny.blue
hmm and any idea how this duplication may happen?

"App not responding" error when app closing > hmm this does not happen to me, weird. Any bigger function running when closing app?

1. Duplicate points: I have 2 devices (tablet, smartphone) and I think I loaded the same geocaching points on both devices without syncing between those activities. And then after a later sync both data were merged. No problem for me because of invisible state of points syncing isn´t useful for me.

2. Not responding:
I played a little bit with leaving and re-enter LM and noticed following:  I always leave with back tab ... can see the small window with leaving message (sc 1). When I'm back on main screen of android I sometimes can see (sc 2) this message (without active LM4-screen) twice a time ... and after that the error message pops up.
When I use the 20 second delay to just start LM4 again ... LM4 starts without initialization screen and I'm back in the map view.
This looks as if LM is running in background for a while longer although I left it with back tab.
Examined my settings and found nothing which prevents closing (like keep GPS running for a while longer).

Maybe this helps ...  ;)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 26, 2021, 16:59:46
The distance to guiding destination text above/below the arrow became quite invisible mostly. Can you fix it so that it's always visible at a proper place, regardless of where I am zoomed to? It's really the only tool I use for navigating in mountains, everything else is mostly too cumbersome.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 26, 2021, 17:03:20
Having the text at destination only really doesn't make much sense to me. Shouldn't it be centered between where the arrow enters the screen (or begins) and leaves the screen (or ends)?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 26, 2021, 17:10:14
Hello menion
new version????
current version expieres on monday :P
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 26, 2021, 21:56:15
I'm working on it ... ufff. I really believed we will be able to publish LM4 by end of February.

Well, Beta 11/991 uploaded and extended till the end of March (just for sure).

Enjoy the weekend and stay healthy!

@jonny.blue
2. hmm, this may be a problem to fix ...  :-\

@joeloc
try new Beta please, also values along the guiding line
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: ADiet on February 26, 2021, 22:53:42
When an overlay is activated, then zooming with two fingers in the map, the map is flickering.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 27, 2021, 08:54:38
Beta 911: Guiding line text stays a lot more visible now. Point popup already feels more snappy on a slow-wifi-couch. Real tests will have to wait until gsm/edge-land higher up the mountain.

Long tap is a "difficult" gesture anyway, especially with sweaty fingers in bright sunlight on a moving bicycle. If Locus makes it even harder by not reacting immediately and predictably, it becomes annoying very quickly. I might even suggest some kind of vibration and/or audible feedback here, but I guess Locus has no concept for that yet.

What I primarily use long tapping for is adding new points in general and also setting a guide line to the next point I need to reach. I do this about 20 to 30 times a day. Don't plan ahead much and fool around at every new trail junction before making up my mind.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 27, 2021, 09:07:32
Now even Androids problem solver thinks, Locus does "frequent crashes" :). No idea what that means, but maybe it helps a little for debugging. This is with the previous beta though.

On average, I have about one crash per day while I'm using the app and about two forced quits per day (Locus disappears while track recording when the display is off and the phone is not in use).

The forced quits happended with Locus Pro as well. I still suspect my database size and Samsungs aggressive killing strategies... even though I tried hard to disable all that nonsense. It's hidden all over system settings and they make it harder to deal with ever day it seems.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on February 27, 2021, 09:12:58
Beta 9 is crashing every time I try to Download a pocket query

Still the same error...

Crashing and restarting...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on February 27, 2021, 15:05:09
I keep getting this lock screen authorisation request now. Granting permission doesn't seem to stick.
Also I'm not sure what I changed to cause this to come up.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210227/0130408dfb254c3cb9d2ecff19a84069.jpg)

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on February 27, 2021, 16:44:10
@freischnerider
this big delay in the display of the edit screen happen also for a very short track? And the detail of the track (the big screen with the chart, stats, etc) appears a lot faster?
I started the new beta and tried again. It's always been like that.
Then I wanted to make a video but it just doesn't happen anymore.
It was a 40km track. I will keep watching.
I started it from the main screen. Click on track, then there is a small popup with a small arrow on the right. Modify track was selected there.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 28, 2021, 05:47:17
Recorded track preview displays "connection failed" & map is not displayed - see screen cap - but Wifi/ mobile were never enabled during track recording & an offline map is selected, so there is no need for any connection. Can't reproduce now sorry/ working properly again but thought I should report it anyway.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 28, 2021, 09:18:15
Something is fishy with online overlay maps, they dont seem to be properly cached anymore. I use a hack for strava bike heat map from a slow russian server and it keeps disappearing on almost every zoom in Locus. Sucks a little, because the server is really slow :-).

I move to a certain location, wait a little, after some tens of seconds, the overlays appears. Then I move around and zoom in an out to different placesy but when I get back to the exact same location and zoom level of the first time, the overlay is gone and I need to wait again. Certainly it should be cached?

I remember Locus Pro caching online overlays maps basically forever. Especially with a heat map, the zoom level doesnt even matter much.

Code: [Select]
<provider id="8888049" type="0" visible="true" background="-1">
<name>Overlay</name>
<mode>Strava Heatmap - Ride (Bluered)</mode>
<countries>World</countries>
<usage>overlay</usage>
<url><![CDATA[https://anygis.ru/server/Tracks_Strava_Ride_Bluered_HD/{x}/{y}/{z}?locusScale={ts}]]></url>
<serverPart></serverPart>
<zoomPart>{z}-8</zoomPart>
<zoomMin>8</zoomMin>    <!-- 0 -->
<zoomMax>23</zoomMax>   <!-- 15 -->
<tileSize>256</tileSize>
<tileScale dpi="0" multi="2.0" replace="19" />
<extraHeader><![CDATA[Referer#https://www.strava.com/heatmap]]></extraHeader>
<extraHeader><![CDATA[User-Agent#Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/57.0.2987.110 Safari/537.36]]></extraHeader>
<attribution><![CDATA[Сборник карт AnyGIS. <a href="https://anygis.ru/Web/Html/Locus">Проверить обновления</a>]]></attribution>
</provider>
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on February 28, 2021, 09:27:52
New beta is very laggy for me.
When tapping on a cache, the pop up (from dthe bottom of the display) is coming up very shaky an not as smooth as before.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 28, 2021, 11:08:27
Opening times are nicely aligned now.

not sure if this was reported already - when opening a POI while in fullscreen mode, the bottom bar with the buttons (edit, navigate to, share etc) gets cut off
Same here now with latest beta. But here it's newly introduced imo with feb 26 version. Have not recognized it before.

I'm working on it ... ufff. I really believed we will be able to publish LM4 by end of February.
Believe me it's really hard, I'm supressing my itch to post further suggestions here. But that would be really unreasonable. Yeah, you have put a lot of changes into Locus recently (it's nice, but I was surprised) and hence, imo, the delay had to be expected.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on February 28, 2021, 11:33:46
Quote
"App not responding" error when app closing > hmm this does not happen to me, weird. Any bigger function running when closing app?

Maybe I found a/the reason: AddOn Geocaching4Locus 🤔

When I stop LM I can see Geocaching4Locus running a while.
Deinstalled it and after 10 attempts leaving LM ... no message.
Installed it again ... and with first attempt the error message was back again.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 28, 2021, 12:24:25
Locus displays inclination percentage besides altitude difference underneath guide line now. It's not particularly useful in real mountains I suppose because there are always switchbacks, but maybe it's good for other purposes... like flying... or really flat mountains with straight paths. Problem is however, that text is very long now and hidden completely if it doesn't fit. I suggest not hiding it but simply clipping instead, so we could still see altitude difference. Alternatively, make percentage value turnoffable.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 28, 2021, 12:41:17
Btw, the new syncing things will do nothing to help reselling/planning with a buddy, right? Or am I missing something here?

I am still dreaming of a day where I can add a point to my Locus and it would simply popup on my buddy's screen right away, without further crap involved. Online... offline... in 5g-land or at night by a campfire in Bolivia 300 miles away from the next cell tower. None of that must matter.



Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 28, 2021, 13:08:30
opening waypoint list of a geocache
 > click on text of one > wpt detail window open > back with back button or swipe down >this wpt is activated and icon is visible on map, this should not and is different to Pro.

The wpt schould be visible on map if user click on map inside wpt detail window or eye is activated inside wpt list
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on February 28, 2021, 14:16:18
@ADiet
problem with zoom with overlay > can't simulate it. What map is used as an overlay? Any special settings like blend mode for overlay or any shading or coloring?

@joeloc
long tap is complicated, agree. So why use it for adding new points or starting guidance? You may use the button placed in the side menu for these cases or "Quick new point" as an even faster method for the new point.

Crashes > I've spent the weekend implementing an automatic reporting system so, in next Beta 12, the app should (hopefully) automatically send crashes to me. Anyway, database size really should not have an effect here. The effect may have a number of tracks/points on the map. Suggest to keep the map clean, hide tracks on the second side of the world ...

Strava overlay > firstly please check if
- map (in the list) has enabled caching (visible in map detail as "Cache timeout" and may be set over "Set cache timeout" option)
- you have globally enabled caching for online maps in settings > Maps > Online > Cache maps.

Improve inclination texts > added to TODO

Syncing with buddy > it will help only partially. It allows easily generate Url to your track that may anyone with this URL download and use. Anyway, it still needs an internet connection. Sharing locally may be easily done over "Share as GPX" and some method to send data between devices.

@Diddi
PQ crash > still can't simulate. Crash log needed.

Laggy version > this may be even worst for fixing. Firstly please try to restart your device. Then I suggest some of our steps here (https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:faq:locus_performance), mainly check if there is not too much content on the map etc. I simply need some clue to find out a reason.

@john_percy
hmm, weird, but probably nothing I can fix. This is a completely system-based dialog. I've never had a problem with this. Anyone suffering but not confirmed screen on/off permission?

@Andrew Heard
weird problem with the map. It is not a generated PNG preview, but a regular map window with exactly the same map as you have on the main map screen. So if using some offline vector maps, it should work correctly.

@tapio
so now you have a problem with the bottom panel, that was not previously visible? Damn ...

@jonny.blue
ah, nice discovery. Does this happen with the live-map enabled?

@balloni55
So you think that tap on the waypoint should open a full-screen window with this waypoint, but does not display it directly on the map? Probably agree. Anyone else opinion on this?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 28, 2021, 14:49:37
Quote
PQ crash > still can't simulate. Crash log needed.
same problem for me
log send just now
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on February 28, 2021, 14:58:09
Quote
So you think that tap on the waypoint should open a full-screen window with this waypoint, but does not display it directly on the map?
in preview map the position of the waypoint is visible, this is ok.
If i click on the map this WPT icon schould vie visible
but
If i click back button this WPT icon schould be hidden
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on February 28, 2021, 16:09:33

@tapio
so now you have a problem with the bottom panel, that was not previously visible? Damn ...

Yup, it happens in Fullscreen mode only.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 28, 2021, 18:14:05
Locus still says it's recording in notifications even though it isn't. Also, the color is weirdly blue. Running dark mode. Not running Locus as service.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on February 28, 2021, 18:24:42
Regarding the caching issue with Strava Heat map. Everything seems properly enabled. Didn't change anything from Locus Pro anyway and there it worked nicely iirc. The pic says something 5.0MB cache size btw, which seems way too low. Is this current or max or default and where does this value come from and how can I affect it?

I use log tap to start guiding because it just feels right. I see a place on the map, I tap it, I go there. No extra menu bars to be opened before. Also... wouldn't all your other methods add a point to my database first? I don't want that, I just want to have an arrow to the next place, telling me how far to climb. And then again. And again. And again... I call it "dynamic ghetto navigation" and it makes total sense to people who make up their mind on where to go along the way. Not much of a planner I must admit... :).

Anyway, it felt much better and snappier on today's trip. Maybe you fixed it... or maybe I wasn't in gsm-land long enough.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on February 28, 2021, 19:26:07
Quote
ah, nice discovery. Does this happen with the live-map enabled?

no, live map is disabled.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on February 28, 2021, 22:32:29
weird problem with the map. It is not a generated PNG preview, but a regular map window with exactly the same map as you have on the main map screen. So if using some offline vector maps, it should work correctly.
@Menion - just an ordinary vector OpenAndroMap. The same one I always use, and only had the problem once.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: ADiet on February 28, 2021, 22:37:31
I use the LOmap Baden-Württemberg, the overlay is e.g. Weather icons and it is flickering, when I use an overlay Modi and want to zoom in the map.

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Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 01, 2021, 08:22:19
Hello Menion,

just a thought – when tapping let's say four points one after another, the point screen disappears, then appears again, then disappears, then appears again and so on. Maybe the user experience would be smoother when the point screen would stay "open" and only the content would change, when a point is tapped while another one is still "active".

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 01, 2021, 08:43:38
Another thought:

When I tap a point, the point gets centered on the map. But because of the point screen that opens from below, the zoom buttons are covered. So I have to swipe the point screen away before zooming in – or to use the pinch gesture. This seems to me less comfortable than in LM3.

Would it make sense to move the zoom buttons up with the point screen (see screenshot)?

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 01, 2021, 09:50:04
Such huge amount of bug reports and help with developing. I'm permanently amazed  ;). Thanks all!

@balloni55
thanks for the log. I had to change a little bigger part of the code so in case of something unexpected in the next version, please let me know. Hopefully fixed.

Waypoint visibility > ok, let's try the previous, just a little improved (not hiding list) version.

@tapio
oki, thanks. I hoped it is solved as this is quite a complicated problem :/. Will look at it during a week.

@joeloc
Track rec icon > hmm, it is really only a icon & app name. This does not look like working track recording notification (missing correct title & description). Stefan, it is currently quite impossible for me to fix it. I never saw something like this on my devices and you are only one who report something like this. It looks like system tries to restore recording system after any crash? Why notification is only partial = do not know. It probably does not have effect on the battery right (no service really runs)?

Caching of heat maps > don't ask me on the max value. It is another app weak point > cache is unlimited  ::). Hard to say what is wrong. Maybe cache itself is wrong > maps are stored in Locus/mapsOnline, so try to delete database file (cache) of this map.

Quick point/guide > if we talk about quick "Guide to", then "Guide to" option in the side panel does not create a new database point. It do what you want. It anyway has one additonal step > choosing a target (map center) > give it a try and you'll see. It is definitelly more reliable than long click.

@jonny.blue
hmm, I'm playing with it, but unfortunately no problem to catch and report to Arcao (dev of G4L). So probably best to solve it is to directly report this problem to Arcao on G4L web page https://geocaching4locus.eu.

@ADiet
generally blend modes (you have selected "Src Out") cause weird problems on some devices and I still have no idea how to solve this. With blend mode disabled, it works correctly? If so, then there is nothing I can do now.

@luce
re-opening point screen when tapping on the points on the map is currently terrible! I know and I've already tried to solve this > not yet successfully  :-\

Zoom buttons > hmm, quite a UI challenge :). Is this really so useful? Isn't enough to use pinch zoom (or tap, tap and swipe) when zoom is rarely needed? I'll have to be convinced by more people to do this because it may be quite complicated task.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 01, 2021, 12:21:47
Regarding overlays... it really feels more like a render problem than a cache problem. Like... the overlay goes away immediately when I just zoom out a tiny bit, and then this tile never really wants to appear again. Or at least it needs a lot of "convincing" with multiple zooms and scrolls and godknowswhat.

Sorry for the weird description, it feels as random as it sounds :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 01, 2021, 12:51:20
@balloni55
- TB offline > well, I also do not know :D. We've received a request for offline TB logging and I've noticed in the code that it should work but was never published.
In the current Pro version, you can't log trackable offline, right? In the current Beta version, in case you have loaded profile and some TB items are in your inventory, you should be able to mark them to "drop" or "visit". When you will later upload your logs over "Logs manager", app should upload trackable logs as well.
But as I wrote, I did not test it now, so if it does not make sense or simply does not work, just let me know and I'll try to find some more time ...


this morning i´ve tested offline loging of TB´s and it worked well ;D
since i have loaded my inventary while logging i dropped the first TB, also all others are logged as (in my case) visited. 8)
My idea, load/refrech TB inventar always when user grab a TB, so TB´s are available for each following log.

and to make the function more understandable please add "drop" or "visit" to the text of the explanation in expert settings
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 01, 2021, 13:08:16
[Bottom buttonbar for trackpoints/waypoints is out of screen mostly]

oki, thanks. I hoped it is solved as this is quite a complicated problem :/. Will look at it during a week.
I want to add:

- It happens only in (Fullscreen&&Portrait mode) (not in landscape mode)
- Resolution is 1080x2244
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 01, 2021, 16:56:40
when i mark a geocache as computed the icon on the map does not change
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on March 01, 2021, 17:35:56
I noticed that the loading of the map became significantly slower when moving.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 02, 2021, 09:03:20
@joeloc, @freischneider

I'm currently not aware of any problem with the map rendering system (also no changes were made regards this in recent months). So we may try creating a log (https://docs.locusmap.eu/doku.php?id=manual:faq:how_to_create_debug_log) after you notice any problem. In logs may be (or may not) and info.

@balloni55
thanks for the tests of offline logging. It is not perfect as I look on it and that's probably why it was not yet published even it is in the app for at least year+.

When you log offline, app search for cache code of the previous "Found it" log and loads all travebugs for this cache that were logged as visited. So workaround for now for "Grabbed" items is to log them as "Visited" once and they should be available for next offline logging.

"Computed" icon > thanks, fixed
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: 413Michele on March 02, 2021, 14:40:22
I found a bug with navigation in the latest beta: navigating with the map oriented towards north moves the on-screen directions arrow when moving the cursor.

To reproduce:
1. Start navigation, either online or offline (I tested Lorouter offline and Graphhopper)
2. tap the compass to have the map be north-oriented
3. move the map cursor
4. The on-screen direction arrow will replicate the cursor movement for about 1 second, before going back to the right position

The only thing that seems to trigger it is the north orientation of the map, I'll share a screenshot but I need to find a way to remove personal location info first
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: WujTom on March 03, 2021, 10:17:20
Today there is a problem with synchronize.
There is a message about the lack of purchased subscription.


I read that there are tests. sorry.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 03, 2021, 13:03:30
guiding to next wpt of a multicache is active
on the way i found a tradi, i open this listing (beside active "guide on" to wpt of multi)  and write the offline found log of the tradi > save > locus FC
Log just send
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 03, 2021, 15:50:55
I have a super weird problem since Galaxy 20 FE. I always run display at maximum brightness. Quite often , the phone is in a state where everything is super bright, but as soon as Locus comes to front, the display is dimmed to quite dark. Not via settings mind you, all is still set on maximum. Display is dark anyway, as though the phone "fears" overheating.

This *only* happens when Locus is in front. Other screens are still bright until the phone gets really hot. Then everything goes dark.

It seems as if Android "anticipates" Locus to behave badly and dims in advance.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 03, 2021, 16:07:03
When i open  a geocache and run "update geocache"
on "updated" cache window most needed infos like: D/T,  size, attribut icons, logs, wpts, listing are gone :-\
After reopening the geocache all infos are available.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: 413Michele on March 03, 2021, 16:34:43
I found a bug with navigation in the latest beta: navigating with the map oriented towards north moves the on-screen directions arrow when moving the cursor.

To reproduce:
1. Start navigation, either online or offline (I tested Lorouter offline and Graphhopper)
2. tap the compass to have the map be north-oriented
3. move the map cursor
4. The on-screen direction arrow will replicate the cursor movement for about 1 second, before going back to the right position

The only thing that seems to trigger it is the north orientation of the map, I'll share a screenshot but I need to find a way to remove personal location info first

Here's the video of the bug:
https://imgur.com/a/S9VmODO
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: gcfishguy on March 03, 2021, 21:20:19
I'm unsure if this is the proper thread, so please move if it's not...

I've always been hopeful that Locus would come out with a web interface, where you can see your points and tracks and work with them...move, copy, import, etc...along with an interactive map and so on. Sort and organize waypoints, edit tracks, sort them into groups and folders...
(Think that other mapping app that starts with a G...but their directory structure is painful at best)

I did find the web.locusmap.app site, but (for my purposes), it doesn't have the functionality that I (specifically) would like to see.  Not complaining, as it is likely the cat's meow for people who plan trips online...   

Does anyone know if there's plans for something like this...or if it already exists?  (I say that because I have been reading up on version 4 for a few months now and only stumbled on a post about the web planner by accident)

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 03, 2021, 22:39:13
#293
Jiří, you are right: tap – tap + swipe does it perfectly.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 03, 2021, 22:50:40
Hello,

the actual version crashes every time I delete any point.

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 03, 2021, 23:00:39
New version just upload: MapGooglePlay_4.0.0 - V13_993_beta

Except for (again) very weird errors of @joeloc, all major reported problems should be solved. Thanks all (and specially @balloni55 for logs and @413Michele for the video)

@gcfishguy
Not sure what more you want than what offers the Beta version of web.locusmap.app. There won't be any other website for Locus Map with map etc  :). It has its own topic here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7232.0), so feel free to ask there if you miss any functionality. Many features are planned for the next versions.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 03, 2021, 23:10:37
Confirm problem of crashing on point deletion solved!  :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Diddi on March 04, 2021, 07:55:06
When i open  a geocache and run "update geocache"
on "updated" cache window most needed infos like: D/T,  size, attribut icons, logs, wpts, listing are gone :-\
After reopening the geocache all infos are available.

Same for me with newest beta
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 04, 2021, 08:00:48
Hmm I'm unable to simulate this. Cache stored in internal database > update cache > correct result. Isn't there any option in G4L that may affect this? I've found only some "Basic info only", but this seems to have no effect here.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 04, 2021, 08:20:23
Quote
Same for me with newest beta
confirm ???
with PRO it work as expected, so i don´t think its on GC4L

EDIT:
its different, on some it work like
https://coord.info/GC3K4TB
on others it didnt work like
https://coord.info/GC7DG3M
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 04, 2021, 12:32:07
Except for (again) very weird errors of @joeloc, all major reported problems should be solved.
Thanks, trackpoint bottom area "halfway hidden buttons" problem solved.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: geoffmozz on March 04, 2021, 12:51:27
Just joining in on this....realistically how far off is the official release?

I've just been playing with the web-based planner and the auto-plotting/snap-to-path really doesn't work very well. Odd routes are chosen, bits of the route are invisible etc.  The manual plotting seems to work fine.

I can make a screen recording and link to a video if that's helpful?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 04, 2021, 13:01:39
@balloni55
This is really really weird. I spend on ti maybe two hours playing with various options, found minor issues but nothing like you and Diddi describe. How to simulate it, hmm? May you please try a short video with this issue?

@geoffmozz
hi, welcome!
Web planner lives in a separate topic (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7232.0), so feedback is welcome there!

The latest plan was final release at end of February. But we are changing and finalizing subscription plans five minutes before midnight so as usually > delay. Fortunately, it gives Ondrej (dev behind web planner) and me as well, some more days to fix critical bugs.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on March 04, 2021, 13:04:01
Just joining in on this....realistically how far off is the official release?

I've just been playing with the web-based planner and the auto-plotting/snap-to-path really doesn't work very well. Odd routes are chosen, bits of the route are invisible etc.  The manual plotting seems to work fine.

I can make a screen recording and link to a video if that's helpful?
Topic for web planners is here: https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7232.0
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 04, 2021, 13:24:09
@balloni55
This is really really weird. I spend on ti maybe two hours playing with various options, found minor issues but nothing like you and Diddi describe. How to simulate it, hmm? May you please try a short video with this issue?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/im62thrjgvt3t1m/update_cache.mp4?dl=0

in the first example where the behavior is normal it is noticeable that first 3 blue and one yellow smiley and after the update only two blue are displayed
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: gcfishguy on March 04, 2021, 17:10:13

@gcfishguy
Not sure what more you want than what offers the Beta version of web.locusmap.app. There won't be any other website for Locus Map with map etc  :). It has its own topic here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7232.0), so feel free to ask there if you miss any functionality. Many features are planned for the next versions.

++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, since you asked...  :-)     Imagine Mapsource, but web-based.  All your data (waypoints, tracks, saved routes, etc) in one spot, in an application where you can keep them organized (folders, groups, tags, whatever) on a 'big screen', and see them on a map, etc.  The data and changes made in the web-based application then sync to your device(s).

Everybody's different, but I save my tracks every time I'm out. So I have saved waypoints and tracks and trails from years of Jeeping, ATVing, motorcycling, trail bike, side-by-side... I like to have it all with me because you never know when you'll need to try and find a trail to get to gas, shelter, etc...
I have the ATV and SxS tracks in specific folders, organized a certain way..the motorcycle tracks are organized differently because they're mostly on-road, and so on.

My only 'complaint' with Locus, is that you have to work on a small touchscreen device.  Yes, you can use an Android emulator, but that comes with a whole other bunch of headaches....

For the way I use Locus, a web-based Mapsource (if you will) would be a dream come true.  About the only product I've found that comes close to my dream is Gaia, but (not to bash another product) I simply can't work with the way they have their online folder structure set up.  And how it creates new folders whenever a GPX or anything is imported, etc...

So..when I heard that Locus was coming out with a web-based interface of sorts, and that your data would be accessible there....I naturally had high hopes.

This isn't a complaint..just wanted to explain what my dream was.   Who knows..maybe there are a lot of others that are hoping for the same thing, and now that there's some sort of web interface with some of our data accessible, maybe it can grow down the road.   :-)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on March 04, 2021, 19:08:24
if I want to edit a track, it takes a long time. I click on the track at one point. Then I choose "Modify Track"
Then nothing happens for 5s. After that, the screen will go completely black. Only after 30s does it come on again and I can choose what I want to edit.
Does not go with the new version either. Have made a video.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BXoi0S8-niIbY2161vUEPKeWKQJl8z--/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: respublikamroja on March 05, 2021, 19:16:20
Where can I find everything news that will be in 4.0 version?
Didnt saw link in first post. Sorry :(
I have polish blog about Android Apps and want to write about Locus Map
www androidowy pl
I can wait for the new version :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 06, 2021, 08:53:21
when a map download leaves un uncomplete sql, you get this error on next locus start. its a bit unreadable on dark mode. also, you will never get rid of it unless you delete the file in a file explorer... or find the map downloader again in locus, which can be quite hard. maybe a delete/continue option right in this error window would be nice.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 06, 2021, 09:03:14
Something is really wrong with tile rendering for this online strava heatmap. Already visible tiles disappear at random while zooming and also appear again randomly. It doesnt feel like being server related, more like locus has a problem with this specific minzoom/maxzoom values? zoompart -8 is weird too? It fails as overlay and as base map as well.

Also map download seems completely impossible, Locus always stops with the same error although the map works as online map (except the tile rendering troubles).

i believe it was fine in locus pro, but cant really remember :)


Code: [Select]
<provider id="8888049" type="0" visible="true" background="-1">
<name>Overlay</name>
<mode>Strava Heatmap - Ride (Bluered)</mode>
<countries>World</countries>
<usage>overlay</usage>
<url><![CDATA[https://anygis.ru/server/Tracks_Strava_Ride_Bluered_HD/{x}/{y}/{z}?locusScale={ts}]]></url>
<serverPart></serverPart>
<zoomPart>{z}-8</zoomPart>
<zoomMin>8</zoomMin>    <!-- 0 -->
<zoomMax>23</zoomMax>   <!-- 15 -->
<tileSize>256</tileSize>
<tileScale dpi="0" multi="2.0" replace="19" />
<extraHeader><![CDATA[Referer#https://www.strava.com/heatmap]]></extraHeader>
<extraHeader><![CDATA[User-Agent#Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/57.0.2987.110 Safari/537.36]]></extraHeader>
<attribution><![CDATA[Сборник карт AnyGIS. <a href="https://anygis.ru/Web/Html/Locus">Проверить обновления</a>]]></attribution>
</provider>




Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on March 06, 2021, 19:24:46
@slarti76
visible track > sync > track updated and no longer visible ... good observation, this probably happens. Little more complex to solve, but added to my to-do list, thanks!

The problem with the not visible track during recording should be fixed in the next version. App now uses more aggressive optimization for drawing content on the screen and the track was incorrectly detected as "not visible".

Thanks for the video, appreciate it!
- selection improved: the app will first try to find the nearest active point (green dot). If none is found, the nearest middle point (red dot) will be used. In the current version, sorting by distance from click was not correct.
- invisible handling points > hmm another side-effect of new optimization. Thanks, fixed!
Was away on holiday, some more observations:
First of all, selection of points in Track Editor>Insert/Edit is now much better! Also didn't experience the problem with missing handling points anymore. Thx!
But another problem (sorry if it was already reported, didn't read through all posts while I was away): Deleting single points or track sections ("inner parts") always after a few deletes (1 to 5 usually) leads to a situation where the track itself is not displayed anymore. When that happens, editor is unusable, have to leave editor and select Modify Track again.
Could make a video, again - but it really happens all the time. Cleaning up a track like this is too annoying. Happens with latest beta (11, I think).

I still sometimes experienced cases where a track wasn't visible suddenly and I had to zoom in/out. But that was on the road, so don't remember the exact situation. Will report in detail if it happens again. But at least you should know it's still not working perfectly, so perhaps you can have a look into it anyway...

And a tiny request: Could you make the track comment in the Track Info screen copyable? I often want to copy a comment to another track and have to go into edit track info to select the comment.
Same for the track title itself. Shouldn't be a biggy to make those texts selectable, is it?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Frivold on March 08, 2021, 11:27:22
I like the v4, but i really miss one thing:
It is not possible to zoom out the map, without missing autorotation.
I miss the possibility to autorotate, even if the map is not in center.
I used that much in v3 when I f.ex. was at a viewpoint, and want to see on map what i look at. Then i like to rotate the phone, not have the map frozen, and just use the sigth-line.

I sometimes also need to zoom out the map, for better overview on map, and then autorotation went off. I hope you can implement the old opportunity to keep autoritation, even though the map center move a bit. Maybe as an option in the settings.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 08, 2021, 16:24:30
@balloni55
No matter what I do, I'm unable to simulate the issue with updating a cache over G4L, really weird.

@freischneider
And here comes the second very weird problem. I've double-checked how the Edit screen loads a track and can't find any "bottleneck" that should cause such a huge delay to you.

@joeloc
this error should not appear when the download is unfinished. Only in case, there is a problem with the map file itself. Anyway, the text is really unreadable, fixed thanks.

Heatmap: I've tried your map and give up after a minute of waiting and 5 timeouts. Sorry, this map simply does not work. If you have the same problem with any of the default app maps, let me know.

@slarti76
the problem in Track editor > ah thanks. I'm unable to find the exact reason why this happens, weird > but at least it will happen a lot less often.

Copyable text in the track screen > I believe that in the next month or two I'll finally start work on a new screen for tracks > so remind me this a little later ;).

@Frivold
sorry, this is currently not possible. I'll see if more people will be interested in this feature, anyway generally I do not see any usage in rotating map when the map is not centered on the current GPS location.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 08, 2021, 17:01:12
Locus crashes reproducably whenever I add a new point with a name that's already in the database... in my case it's "Auto". That's a new crash. A few versions ago, it would simply ask me if I wanted to replace/ignore/add.

Btw, I noticed nothing of the new Locus crash reporter functionality. The app just dies and goes away quietly.

The heatmap does work... I use it (with the config I posted) since at least two years as Overlay most of the time. Sometimes the russian server is slow/fails but mostly it's OK... except new Locuses tile disappearing problem obviously :). Maybe new Locus cannot handle using other zoom levels to render a missing zoom level in case of a timeout? The resolution is hard to tell with a heat map anyway. I still think Locus Pro handled it more gracefully somehow.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: jonny.blue on March 08, 2021, 17:51:28
Quote
Btw, I noticed nothing of the new Locus crash reporter functionality. The app just dies and goes away quietly.

Same to me ...
I had some crashes🙄 too ... and hoped they were send automaticly. 😏
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Frivold on March 08, 2021, 18:31:37

Menion:

@Frivold
sorry, this is currently not possible. I'll see if more people will be interested in this feature, anyway generally I do not see any usage in rotating map when the map is not centered on the current GPS location.

Well, i think it is a bit boring that the autorotation stops just because I zoom out the map.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 08, 2021, 20:51:47
Quote
Btw, I noticed nothing of the new Locus crash reporter functionality. The app just dies and goes away quietly.

Same to me ...
I had some crashes🙄 too ... and hoped they were send automaticly. 😏
There was a crash for me when I tapped on a geocoded picture icon. But I was not able to reproduce. But my guts say it is related to the opening of the bottom area.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on March 08, 2021, 21:40:53

Menion:

@Frivold
sorry, this is currently not possible. I'll see if more people will be interested in this feature, anyway generally I do not see any usage in rotating map when the map is not centered on the current GPS location.
The ZOOM OUT of the card does not turn off the card. But it stops briefly (for the time of Hold Map Center). Maybe the card is moved to zoom.

Turning card makes sense only to your location. I used to use it often often when moving. But I got used to it. I do not miss it anymore. And it's much better as it is now.

Well, i think it is a bit boring that the autorotation stops just because I zoom out the map.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 09, 2021, 08:18:22
@joeloc
Crashes are now (in Beta) reported automatically. So I see 30+ crashes with the latest version and also probably the issue you had with saving a point with a duplicate name. It is in the old code that was not changed for sure. Does it happens always no matter what you do? How you add new points, directly from the map by a long click > "+" button?

Heat map > sorry, but it works quite slow and when I spend a little more time on this, I do not see any clear problem. Because it is not an official app map and because no other (official) map does not have any similar issues, I won't spend time on this.

@jonny.blue
they were (crashes). Anyway, these reports tell me where exactly the app crashed, but not perfectly "why". So still best is provide steps to simulate the problem (if known of course).

@Frivold
there seems to be a problem that pinch-zoom stop centering which as a side-effect stop also map rotation. When you try to use zoom buttons, nothing like this happens and rotation will still work without interruption. Hmm ...

@tapio
thanks. I've made another small improvement in the behavior of the bottom panel, so I hope it will help here.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on March 09, 2021, 08:35:22
Hi Menion, is the explicit thread for sync problems still a place to post? Because since I posted https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7114.msg62332#msg62332 there, you already answered a lot of posts here...
Anyway, in short, syncing of tracks is still triggered by simply updating/recreating the track overview in the track list. You wrote that you fixed that a while ago. Can't test now, obviously, but happened with the beta before sync became unusable for us (beta11 I think it was).
EDIT: Answer from Menion in linked thread, thx.

Also talking about sync: When I return to Locus after some inactive time, but Locus wasn't yet killed by Android (main screen appears instantly), opening the sync dialog reproducibly crashes Locus. Directly after a restart, sync opens fine.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 09, 2021, 10:56:52
I probably fixed this today morning. Locus Map maybe starts instantly, but part of the sync system was already killed, and restoring of this system was done a moment later than another part of the app needed. In the next version it should be ok, thanks!
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: xxc on March 09, 2021, 13:16:33
Hi Menion,
Thanks for the V4 development !
Would it be possible in the future to have multiple map overlays ?
Kind regards
Vince
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on March 09, 2021, 15:46:11
Well, since you asked...  :-)     Imagine Mapsource, but web-based.  All your data (waypoints, tracks, saved routes, etc) in one spot, in an application where you can keep them organized (folders, groups, tags, whatever) on a 'big screen', and see them on a map, etc.  The data and changes made in the web-based application then sync to your device(s).
--SNIP--
@gcfishguy, you're basically explaining what the new Locus Web Interface does. You seem to have found the page (which is in Beta, mind you), and then you list all the features that are already there or are planned (see the other thread).

So people wonder: What do you want (more)?
Or are you just unhappy that the first version doesn't fulfil all of your dreams?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 09, 2021, 20:58:35
See Attachments for the add point crash, happens 100% when clicking Speichern. Point "Auto" is already in the db in the same folder. Adding points with other names is no problem.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: baegas on March 10, 2021, 02:47:46
Hi
When running geotagged photo, Locus Map 4 freezes or the screen turns off and the app does not run.

Especially when creating a point while looking at a geotagged photo, it freezes better and the screen turns off.
The running Locus version is beta 13(V13)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Viajero Perdido on March 10, 2021, 17:16:38
Maybe it's too late to affect the names of the LM4 tiers (that thread's entire lifetime seems to have been while I was asleep here in North America), but...

"Plain" suggests "ordinary"; that's the first thing I think when I see that word.  Plain as flat land is a very weak meaning over here.  May I suggest "Flatlands" instead?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on March 10, 2021, 18:48:02
@Viajero Perdido
Great Plains?


Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 10, 2021, 19:09:53
New Beta version with another nice amount of fixes & fine-tunning. So please give a try new V14 version.

@joeloc
thanks for the extra info. I've found one possible problem with saving points with the same name, so please check the new version.

@baegas
also please try the new version. I made some changes in this side panel a few days ago, so it may help here.

And @Viajero Perdido, why you wrote here when there is a separate topic? Anyway also thanks to the feedback, we made a decision and names will be simple, boring, but ... loud & clear :).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Viajero Perdido on March 10, 2021, 19:30:37
I replied here because the other topic was already closed (within hours), so it's probably too late to make a difference.  I just wanted to discourage "Plain" because it has a negative connotation, ordinary, not something you'd see in marketing materials.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 10, 2021, 21:39:49
Ah, it's locked, sorry.
Yes, we were aware of this alternative explanation of the "plain" word. And it was intended as it should be an alternative name for the "Free" version. Anyway, I was overvoted so plain/hill/mountain won't be used  :'(
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 10, 2021, 22:17:38
I spent (wasted?) quite a while trying to reply to your topic https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7255.msg62366#msg62366. It appears it is locked, although as a general comment I can't see any visual indication of "locked" status.

While I'm more an engineer than a marketing guy, my 1st impression was "weird" names, and as I read each post I tend to agree with the various comments. "plain" does sound well... plain/ boring. And Hill/ Mountain as John says are too activity specific. I agree with lor74cas that free/ base/ advanced are boring names, but they better describe the version of locus.

You need to ask marketing people.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 10, 2021, 22:53:32
Hi Asamm team,
this naming discussion is like fishing in the dark as long as you do not disclose the approximate scope of each version (what's in/out). There might be clues from that for a more meaningful naming.
If not, well, then fun may prevail as long as it does not become ridiculous and would fire back.
I definitely concur with the concerns voiced by others in the original topic (closed prematurely, I would say) as well as in this thread.
Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 11, 2021, 08:15:15
Thanks guys, appreciate your feedback. As I wrote, we decided to keep heads down, and very simply free/silver/gold names will be used. Not a rocket science, but at least clear without any worries.

And Andrew, marketing people? Eh, well, I do not like marketing. You can't even imagine how I curse my work when doing some subscription/promo screens last days/weeks  :D.

Anyway, names of subs tiers finished ... let's rather do some useful tasks ..
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on March 11, 2021, 09:16:31
New Beta version with another nice amount of fixes & fine-tunning. So please give a try new V14 version.
Changelog says "option to set photo as icon in the new point screen (long click)".
Can somebody explain? I don't get it, can't find any new option here - what am I not seeing?

The problems with the track editor after several deletes (point or inner parts) seems to have gone, thx! Will observe if the crashes of the sync function after longer background time have gone, too (still waiting for sync to be available again for everyone, though).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: poutnikl on March 11, 2021, 10:15:06
I see I am too late, as you were overvoted... :-(

The Triad could be in plural, plains is a common geographical term and does not have the negative connotation as plain.

Sent from my Xiaomi MI A2 / Android 10, via Tapatalk
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Andrew Heard on March 11, 2021, 11:23:41
The Triad could be in plural, plains is a common geographical term and does not have the negative connotation as plain.
too subtle?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 11, 2021, 11:42:30
@joeloc

Heat map > sorry, but it works quite slow and when I spend a little more time on this, I do not see any clear problem. Because it is not an official app map and because no other (official) map does not have any similar issues, I won't spend time on this.


Understood. Would you maybe consider putting the (multiple?) max_timeout and max_failure_count variables into config.cfg then? That way we could still download from slow servers... even if runs 12 hours overnight.

Right now, slow server download is simply impossible with Locus. Nobody wants to watch his phone and click retry every 3 minutes.

Ps, Strava Heatmap might be lagging and from Russia, but it nevertheless is *the* *most* *valuable* overlay for mountainbiking today, not just some funny idea of mine :-).
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 11, 2021, 12:08:27
Dear Menion,

behaviour of point screen when one POI is klicked while another one is still active is much better now – thank you.

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 11, 2021, 12:25:03
Hello once again,

A long time wish of mine is the possibility to set the navigation command points and signs along the route invisible. They clutter the view (see screenshot) and contain information that is not important for everyday usage unless you want to edit these points manually.

A setting to toggle the visibility of navigation commands on/off in the "points & tracks" settings would do that perfectly.

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 11, 2021, 12:31:47
Bug report:
The app crashes every time I do the following steps:

1. Set the Audio channel to "Ringing and other notifications"
2. Open a player and listen to music with Bluetooth headphones while cycling
3. Start a navigation with Locus
4. Try to change the volume of the navigation commands by first tapping the big arrow on the map screen and then touching the volume bar –> app crashes reproducably.

The app does *not* crash when there is no other app playing music while I change navigation commands volume.

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 11, 2021, 12:45:05
Changelog says "option to set photo as icon in the new point screen (long click)".
Can somebody explain? I don't get it, can't find any new option here - what am I not seeing?
You're not seeing what I'm not seeing.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 11, 2021, 13:30:27
@slarti76, @tapio
incorrect description in the changelog, sorry. Simply add a new photo to the point and then long-click on this photo. In the old version it was hidden in the popup menu, but there is not a place for this other than a long-click.

There is also a big difference. Previously, the generated icon was cached in the local cache directory. Now, it is stored directly with the point in the database. So it should be now correctly synchronized and later also visible on the web.

@joeloc
As I see, for time downloading there is already set a 5 minutes timeout! I believe this is really long enough. What about contacting the guy behind this solution?

@luce
- hiding of navigation waypoints. You're not the first who ask for this. I'll consider this option.

- crash: hmm, does it happen also with the new V14 version?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: gcfishguy on March 11, 2021, 13:47:02
Well, since you asked...  :-)     Imagine Mapsource, but web-based.  All your data (waypoints, tracks, saved routes, etc) in one spot, in an application where you can keep them organized (folders, groups, tags, whatever) on a 'big screen', and see them on a map, etc.  The data and changes made in the web-based application then sync to your device(s).
--SNIP--
@gcfishguy, you're basically explaining what the new Locus Web Interface does. You seem to have found the page (which is in Beta, mind you), and then you list all the features that are already there or are planned (see the other thread).

So people wonder: What do you want (more)?
Or are you just unhappy that the first version doesn't fulfil all of your dreams?

Sorry, I must have missed some of the upcoming plans. 
Thanks for the info. 
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 11, 2021, 13:55:58
@slarti76, @tapio
Simply add a new photo to the point and then long-click on this photo.
Took me a while. "Add Photo attachment to an existing point, save, re-open, then longclick".
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: dyoghenes on March 11, 2021, 19:21:03
Hi!

I love using this app and adding the online LoPoints as waypoints while route planning works very well. Do you plan on the ability to add online LoPoints to already recorded tracks?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 12, 2021, 09:40:05
- crash: hmm, does it happen also with the new V14 version?

Yes, just checked it... Now it seems to crash every time I try to change the volume while I set audio to "ringing and other notifications" – even when there is no music playing in the background.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 12, 2021, 10:03:36
Good morning,

imo the usage of the "Favourites" function would be easier if it was integrated into the new point screen, maybe in the three point menu.

Best, Lucas
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 12, 2021, 13:16:24
Good morning,

imo the usage of the "Favourites" function would be easier if it was integrated into the new point screen, maybe in the three point menu.

Best, Lucas
Isn't that "Quick bookmarks"? Then it is not only related to POI. Eg I start other apps from their, with lat/lon as parameters.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on March 12, 2021, 14:01:03
The Overlays dialogue seems messed up to me.
1. If I use a vector map as an overlay, I would prefer to see the theme chooser button in the overlay settings screen rather than next to the base map. Is this possible?
2. If I change the overlay map ("CHANGE MAP" button) the map changes real time but the displayed name does not.
3. If I change the style/theme of the vector map overlay, I have to turn the overlay off then on again to get it to display the change
4. As previously mentioned, too many of the variety of overlay blend modes are disastrous. Src Atop works for me.
5. Max rescale = 100% results in no overlay for me. As a long shot, this may be to do with Locus dynamic resolution being different for the vector map and the raster map, but it shouldn't be like this for the user.

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 12, 2021, 15:15:11
1. If I use a vector map as an overlay, I would prefer to see the theme chooser button in the overlay settings screen rather than next to the base map. Is this possible? YES, please!
4. As previously mentioned, too many of the variety of overlay blend modes are disastrous. Src Atop works for me. Multiply, Src in/out I consider useless, not sure about the others.
5. Max rescale = 100% results in no overlay for me. As a long shot, this may be to do with Locus dynamic resolution being different for the vector map and the raster map, but it shouldn't be like this for the user.
Same for me with 100%. I normally use use raster over vector as well as vector on top of raster at 200 or 400%. Seems to depend on the display resolution and the new dpi mechanics (although I switched this optimization off
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: luce on March 12, 2021, 19:21:03
Isn't that "Quick bookmarks"? Then it is not only related to POI. Eg I start other apps from their, with lat/lon as parameters.

Ah... sorry, you're right, in the English version it's called "Quick Bookmarks". And yes, this is not only related to POI. But the other way round... every POI has coordinates, so why not add this option to the POI context menu?

Choosing "Quick Bookmarks" from the POI context menu is more intuitive than tapping a POI, swiping the point screen away again, trying not to move the map (because that would change the coordinates) and then tapping "Quick Bookmarks", that's why I made this suggestion.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 12, 2021, 23:14:36
Point overwrite crash is fixed. Locus still dies randomly once or twice a day while phone is pocketed away, just recording a track. Obviously, nothing will be recorded until you notice Locus has disappeared.

Apps can no longer hold wake lock in foreground services:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/179644471

https://dontkillmyapp.com/samsung

has up-to-date info on samsung killing apps. Maybe it helps to find a workaround? I know you own a Pixel, but likely the majority of your users have Samsung. They will suffer the same fate as I. I am considering running a cronjob to restart Locus every 5 minutes to avoid losing too much of my track.

This is not beta related, it's a android 11 / samsung horror issue I presume.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 13, 2021, 15:39:33
Ah that's what you do. IMO the centering behaviour makes a quick bookmark call already very easy, have a look:
https://youtu.be/2_55uJUKsNc
I don't see that problem of the centre getting lost. You tap somewhere on the map, the point information disappears, the map moves perfectly and the poi stays exactly under the centre.
Choosing "Quick Bookmarks" from the POI context menu is more intuitive than tapping a POI, swiping the point screen away again, trying not to move the map (because that would change the coordinates) and then tapping "Quick Bookmarks", that's why I made this suggestion.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 13, 2021, 15:52:12
This is not beta related, it's a android 11 / samsung horror issue I presume.
As for the cronjob, there is this Tasker plugin for Locus, it allows to check Locus states, eg if it is recording. ie it offers variables to Tasker. Unfortunately it does not seem to work with L4, maybe you may reach out to the dev Falco.
EDIT: It works! I made a successful check on %is_track_rec_recording
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=falcosc.locus.addon.tasker

I was also doing alive checks for a while with a beep every 5 minutes, because my prior device crashed and rebooted quite often and unnoticed by me.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Raddino on March 13, 2021, 22:03:14
geocaching refresh problem

1) open geocache from map (imported in locus)
2) do not scroll down to see more cache detail
3) puzzle icon in botton bar > refresh cache (aktualizovat keš)
4) after refresh some parts of cache are missing (D/T, logs, WP, size, attribute, listing,...)
5) you need to swipe down to hide GC detail, click on the cache again and listing will be again visible
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 13, 2021, 23:32:39
@joeloc
As I see, for time downloading there is already set a 5 minutes timeout! I believe this is really long enough. What about contacting the guy behind this solution?
Apparently it's not long enough, otherwise it would work, wouldn't it? After all, the map sort of works as an online map... minus your tile rendering from cache bug that you keep denying :-). How often do you retry to grab a tile when a request times out?

How about a button "retry forever until manual abort" on the 1st error then?
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 13, 2021, 23:44:34
This is not beta related, it's a android 11 / samsung horror issue I presume.
As for the cronjob, there is this Tasker plugin for Locus, it allows to check Locus states, eg if it is recording. ie it offers variables to Tasker. Unfortunately it does not seem to work with L4, maybe you may reach out to the dev Falco.
EDIT: It works! I made a successful check on %is_track_rec_recording
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=falcosc.locus.addon.tasker

I was also doing alive checks for a while with a beep every 5 minutes, because my prior device crashed and rebooted quite often and unnoticed by me.
I am using live tracking with audio beeps for that purpose. No more beeps... Locus is dead. Still miss that from time 2 time and lose my track recording. It's just a nuisance while biking obviously... but can lead to a bad situation easily with more "serious" activities. Backtracking on a glacier in a whiteout without a properly recorded track can become surprisingly deadly.

Locus was always rock solid until Android 10 on Samsung Galaxys, now on 11 it's hit and miss. It's likely not menions fault, but still his problem :-).

Thanks for that Tasker thingy, will give it a try later.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Rainman2de on March 14, 2021, 22:42:44
I have got an issue with Locus since I own it and this is several years and this issue prevents using Locus for me much more.
It appears when I import GPX-Tracks made in Komoot into Locus. These Tracks are displayed just perfect on the Locus-map. The point starts when i start the navigation on this track.
It seems like trackinformation are getting lost. Curves are flatened and so on.
My old workaround was to replan the track in Locus routplanner.
I now discovered that i just can make a new waypoint in the routeplanner and set this waypoint at the beginning of the track. This is important. It does not work if the point stays at the end of the track where it is usually inserted.
It seems as if the whole track gets recalculated then and navigation after that is just perfect.

Could this recalculation just be made automatically on imported tracks?

I guess i am not the only one with this problem.

On the attached screenshot you can see the green line as the original komoot track and the pink line is the navigation line from locus without correction
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on March 15, 2021, 07:03:12
I have got an issue with Locus since I own it and this is several years and this issue prevents using Locus for me much more.
It appears when I import GPX-Tracks made in Komoot into Locus. These Tracks are displayed just perfect on the Locus-map. The point starts when i start the navigation on this track.
It seems like trackinformation are getting lost. Curves are flatened and so on.
My old workaround was to replan the track in Locus routplanner.
I now discovered that i just can make a new waypoint in the routeplanner and set this waypoint at the beginning of the track. This is important. It does not work if the point stays at the end of the track where it is usually inserted.
It seems as if the whole track gets recalculated then and navigation after that is just perfect.

Could this recalculation just be made automatically on imported tracks?

I guess i am not the only one with this problem.

On the attached screenshot you can see the green line as the original komoot track and the pink line is the navigation line from locus without correction
This topic is not for General Issues, it is for Beta only. General problems and questions can be asked here.  https://help.locusmap.eu/

There is already a suggestion for improvement for your problem. Simply vote for it or write further ideas.
https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/navigation-from-track
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 15, 2021, 09:02:20
@0709
Hi Willy, I probably do not get all your points.
Anyway:
- your file imports correctly to me. I do not see any problem, not even with the GIF image
- the increasing size of the "Locus/data/import directory > I know, this is terrible behavior  :-[
- improvements in export/re-import > this will have to wait a little more, sorry

@dyoghenes
Why you would like to attach existing points (LoPoints) to track during track recording?

@luce
hmm, an interesting problem with the volume. I'm unable to simulate this issue on own device but found something in the automatic bug-reporting system. Seems you are not allowed to change volume in case, Do-not-disturb mode is enabled in your device. I've improved this method so it should only display some ugly warning, but app should not crash anymore. Give it a try in the next version, thanks!

@john_percy, @michaelbechtold
thanks for the feedback regards the "Overlay" system.

1. interesting idea. Currently, I see main problem that map theme is unique across whole app. So the button in the overlay dialog change also theme for the main map, not just for the overlay.

2. this seems to happen only when picking from "recently used" section right? Fixed, thanks

3. nice, thanks. Fixed

4. blend modes were reduced some time ago. I simply can't remove some of them based on discussion here. It needs some deeper analytics and check which are really not used. So maybe later.

5. good point and exact explanation John! Interesting problem. Technically, when Locus Map decide to set base raster map rescale to 200% (and vector maps remains at 100%), raster map simply can be used at X/100%. If I disable this "100%" option in selector, it may still cause a problems on huge-DPI devices where base rescale for raster maps may be +-300%.

For now, in the dialog will be at least visible base scale parameter for the overlay so it will be easier to see reason why overlay is not visible. I'll anyway think about better "solution".

@joeloc
there is still something wrong with your device. Please double check device settings, there have to be some more optmization settings. Don't you have any other app that do some memory optimizations?
My colleague Jan has S10 with A11 as well, and he does not have any issue with latest app version(s). Anyway as you pointed on topics in Android issue tracker, as well as many many topics on the internet, over-optimized Android devices are causing huge problems, not just to Locus Map. Unfortunately ...

Killing apps together with overcomplicated system internal memory/SD card is making me mad and forcing me to waste weeks of time testing and searching for hacks that may work ...  >:( :o

About heatmap: yes, I'm keeping denying it because I'm unable to simulate any problem. I was playing with your heatmap today during improving of the overlay dialog and now it works fast and without any problems.

I'm not against any improvements in loading of online maps, but only in case, it makes sense. Here, you use some russian server to hack Strava heatmaps. There is no reliability, no certainty that server will work tomorrow and I already received few compains from the map providers that ended with blocked custom user-agent for online maps in latest app version. So sorry, I do not plan any improvements here for now.

@tapio
ah, this is really nice usage of quick bookmarks :)

All existing add-ons should remain working. Locus Map 4 is for them (add-ons) still Locus Map Free, so no problems are expected.

@Raddino
thanks for the report. Exactly this was already reported by @balloni55 some time ago, but unfortunately I'm still unable to simulate this problem on own device ... weird  :-\.

@Rainman2de
this probably happens because imported track does not have any navigation instructions, so app simplify track a little bit and try to generate instructions based on it's shape.

Re-calculation after import: something similar is planned, but it really is not so easy task so it will take some more time. Anyway, my main question: why you import track from Komoot to navigate in Locus Map? Why do not using navigation directly in Komoot or plan your route in Locus Map?

And as @freischneider wrote, this topic is mainly for finalization of new LM4. Thanks for understanding.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on March 15, 2021, 09:42:51
@Menion wrote:
1. interesting idea. Currently, I see main problem that map theme is unique across whole app. So the button in the overlay dialog change also theme for the main map, not just for the overlay.

You already have a screen with two themes, one for the main map and one for the overlay, but now I see it's only shown if overlay is v3 and main map v4 (or vice versa).

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210315/5c1f18899edd9d2a8671a3e407d953ed.jpg)

@Menion wrote:
4. blend modes were reduced some time ago. I simply can't remove some of them based on discussion here. It needs some deeper analytics and check which are really not used. So maybe later.

It's not just that they are not used but that some don't work properly, at least for me.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: dyoghenes on March 15, 2021, 12:30:50
Why you would like to attach existing points (LoPoints) to track during track recording?

It's not a necessity, and I didn't mean it during track recording, even after that. In the waypoints tab I can add my points to a track I recorded, but I can't add LoPoints? If this is intended, then alright. :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 15, 2021, 12:52:43
@john_percy
I know, but it is a little bit different. If you will have both maps V4, then change in theme change both base & overlay maps. I got your point, just need to wait on the shot from above, how to do it correctly.

Let's look at the blend modes later.

@0709
ah, this GIF is animated. Did not noticed because even my desktop image viewer displays only static image. In this case, it is also ok, animated GIFs are not supported in the "Picasso" library I use in the app.

Pro vs LM4 > no need to update, stay with the Pro, it is a perfectly OK solution!

@dyoghenes
Can't say it is intent. Better, I've never thought about this and you are the first who ask  :).
I do not know what to think about it now. There are many votes for improvements in how waypoints in tracks work. So maybe when I'll start work on this task, what you need will became reality as a side effect.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 16, 2021, 09:41:27
Buy LoCoins -> 404

Menion, is there a reason why Maps aren't part of the preset system? Would be useful IMO.
For best possible area overview I wanted to create a preset with the wonderful Asamm hike+bike map. But otherwise I use osm based vector maps + themes.

Please allow to download lomaps hike+bike just like we can download other online maps!

Edit: aargh, just realized, vectormap + internal hike+bike theme is the same. But "hike+bike" theme can only be used with a v3 map?
Oh, I realized lomaps are V3. 😔
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on March 16, 2021, 11:00:51
Menion, is there a reason why Maps aren't part of the preset system? Would be useful IMO.
For best possible area overview I wanted to create a preset with the wonderful Asamm hike+bike map. But otherwise I use osm based vector maps + themes.
I second that. As I remember, Menion wanted to not overstuff the preset system. I also think that being able to chose a Map theme, but not a Map, is inconsistent. I assume the reason here is that themes can be used anywhere, but map may not be available for the current position. But so what, then the user has to pan, no big deal...
I would like to add Map Overlays, too. This is even more of a case for presets: While maps are just a single selection, overlays have several parameters (which one, alpha, blend mode), which is a pain to select each time. Would be great to have presets for your favorite overlays with the perfect settings.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 16, 2021, 11:10:43
"As I remember, Menion wanted to not overstuff the preset system."

Wrong thinking 😁 IMO the preset system should be overstuffed. We use it to batch apply settings. To avoid to visit specific settings. I love to use presets and I totally dislike having to set map or theme manually...
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on March 16, 2021, 13:23:31
"As I remember, Menion wanted to not overstuff the preset system."

Wrong thinking 😁 IMO the preset system should be overstuffed. We use it to batch apply settings. To avoid to visit specific settings. I love to use presets and I totally dislike having to set map or theme manually...
I'm all with you here :)
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: flyingman_ch on March 16, 2021, 15:18:10
When I zoom in the map with two fingers, it usually sets an unwanted point.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on March 16, 2021, 15:32:59
+1
The "long tap" detection seems to be too sensitive

Sent from my moto g(6) plus using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: slarti76 on March 16, 2021, 16:19:08
When I zoom in the map with two fingers, it usually sets an unwanted point.
I recently started to experience this, too. Not always, but sometimes.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 16, 2021, 17:30:04
Two weeks ago I had successfully dropped this TB "MUUMELI" while offline loging.
In the meantime I have logged 13 more caches offline where the TB's were logged correctly in my inventory (Dropped/took it to)
Today this TB appears again in locus ??? and blocks the logging of the TB's
Question:
- how does this happen
- how can I remove this TB from locus
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: joeloc on March 16, 2021, 20:05:19
Your notifications are really weird... restored somehow by the system long after Locus was quit... hanging around forever and being dead to tapping. I know you blame Samsung... but many people use Samsung... so maybe try to work around it before release to prevent complaints? It's really strange... can't remember Locus Pro doing this, but that was many OS updates ago.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 17, 2021, 12:21:41
@tapio
maps in presets > well, it still does not make perfect sense to me. Maps are content, like points and tracks, and such items are not currently supported by presets. Presets for overlays as mentioned by @slarti76 > ah guys, you complicate me a life  :D. In the case of presets, I would rather vote for something directly implemented in the "map overlay" dialog.

@flyingman_ch , @john_percy, @slarti76
hmm, nothing has changed in the code here. Isn't map lagging for you or any heavy active task in process (in your device, app navigation, ?)

@balloni55
I already helped few people with similar problems, but I was never able to simulate it yet  :-\.
The solution is usually the "Discard" button in the screen with the mentioned problem (top left button). Once, weather will be better here, I promise I'll try to test it more in the field.
Give it a try and let me know if it helps.

@joeloc
I do not directly blame Samsung here. Btw. are you using official ROM? It looks more like a problem in the app. I just do not have a single idea how this may happen. Because you are still suffering by some random crashes and app dying, it will most probably be connected to this.

Still, no other user reported these problems. Any log or description does not help here. The app is close to release so sorry, I'll have to wait two/three weeks if more people write about this. If not, I have currently no idea how to solve this issue ... and if yes, my Pixel2 is close to replacing it, so Samsung, because of many problems that Samsung devices have, is a good adept.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: john_percy on March 17, 2021, 13:00:34
@Menion
Long tap sensitivity is not due to any map lag. Map is slow to load now but once initialised it draws pretty quickly. It's just that when I am moving or zooming it, the pop up point panel appears because the so interprets this as a long tap. That didn't used to happen.


Sent from my moto g(6) plus using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: balloni55 on March 17, 2021, 13:09:19
Quote
The solution is usually the "Discard" button in the screen with the mentioned problem (top left button). Once, weather will be better here
thanks, after the 3rd attempt click down left button my inventory is up to date :D
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: freischneider on March 17, 2021, 14:00:00
@Menion
Long tap sensitivity is not due to any map lag. Map is slow to load now but once initialised it draws pretty quickly. It's just that when I am moving or zooming it, the pop up point panel appears because the so interprets this as a long tap. That didn't used to happen.


Sent from my moto g(6) plus using Tapatalk

I already had that inadvertently opening points. But I'm not sure if that happens when moving or when zooming
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: michaelbechtold on March 17, 2021, 14:08:06
Hi Menion, I see such as well on my S10, with both, Android 10 and now 11. Randomly, though, and only with LM4. Not a big harm, though :-)
What is making me nervous is the file ops performance of Locus on Android 11. Once the Google >>API level exception runs out in Sept that may ruin the user experience. Couldn't you argue that Locus has needs like a file manager? Good luck!
Cheers
Michael

@joeloc
I do not directly blame Samsung here. Btw. are you using official ROM? It looks more like a problem in the app. I just do not have a single idea how this may happen. Because you are still suffering by some random crashes and app dying, it will most probably be connected to this.

Still, no other user reported these problems. Any log or description does not help here. The app is close to release so sorry, I'll have to wait two/three weeks if more people write about this. If not, I have currently no idea how to solve this issue ... and if yes, my Pixel2 is close to replacing it, so Samsung, because of many problems that Samsung devices have, is a good adept.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: tapio on March 19, 2021, 08:43:15
@tapio
maps in presets > well, it still does not make perfect sense to me. Maps are content, like points and tracks

But maps are also an essential part of how the reality is displayed. Presets are used for how the reality is displayed. IMO, hence, a crucial part, the (online) maps, is missing.
Title: Re: Locus Map 4, discussion (beta)
Post by: Menion on March 19, 2021, 15:32:15
Hi guys,
so the version is uploaded on Google Play and waits for some validation process. After that, it will be available as the final version over the Beta test channel, same as Locus Map Free before.

Unsolved topics from last discussion(s):
- accidental long clicks
- crashes on Samsung A11+ devices
- maps as a part of Presets

Final pre-release topic for Locus Map 4: https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7258.0

Final release data is 30. 3. We firstly wanted 23. but rather wait a week and do some more tests & fixes.

I was also testing Promo codes, because I want to give most of you codes to use Gold for some time for free as a small thanks for your amazing help here, but I have some technical problems with it for now, so it will take a few days probably, sorry.