Hi,
my aim is to create a route (with many deviations) for biking which starts and ends at one point.
I want to navigate along the complete route and when I miss the route Locus should lead me back to the next point of the route.
I now tried ( in the test mode with GPS off 8)) several settings ... but no one leads to the desired result.
Version: latest beta 3.37.2.9
Settings:
- Route re-calculation:
+ route priority (with distance 80 m)
- advanced
+ Strict route following on
- what ever difference this should effect, because I always want to go back to my route when navigation a route
+ max. allowed deviation
- I set this to 10000 because I don't know what this switching from navigation to guidance should effect
First I created a route with many "minor" streets with shaping points (Screen 1: red=desired;purple="normal" route)
When I start to navigate and leave the route for some meters Locus calculates the complete route new (Screen 2)
Second try with "Via Points":
I create a via point and started with "point priority".
When I now leave the route Locus points to the first Via Point ... Screen 1
... but the navigation route doesn't start from my GPS position. It just shows the route where I should be.
My active cursor (with my position) stands alone beside the route.
Another try with via Points:
The first time I leave the route LM recalculates and shows the new route from my GPS point.
When I then left the route for a next time on a different point ... then I can see a blue cursor on the navigation route and my actual position (+) with no connection to the route.
It seems as if recalculation and drawing the route new from actual position only works one time.
Interesting ... :o
when I activated my screen an tablet (after writing the last post) Locus immediately starts recalculation.
This behaviour can be repeated. I just have to wait until my screen is turned off ... when I activate the screen -> Locus recalculates the route from my GPS point. ::)
When I then follow the route and stop navigation ... and want to proceed the route (without having passed
the via point) Locus leads me back to the Via point.
I found no way to proceed my navigation to the end point ...
After some attempts ... I changed my setting to "route priority" ... and now Locus navigates from my position in end direction (without the skipped via point).
As you see from my posts ....
Navigating is really confusing because of many different options with different effects.
At home it's possible to test ... and switch ... and restart .. and switch ... and test
But last week I did a biking tour with my friends and (almost) every second parking place we stopped and I needed to justify the route. :(
After some more tests (and the help from 0709 8)) I found a setting that comes near to my desired behaviour.
I choose "no autorecalculation" ... use some via points (to protect the planned route) ... set manual recalculation to route priority ... increased the size of guidance line (with distance shown) ...
and result is:
Good day Jonny,
long post full of testing ... sorry for some bad moments you had with the navigation system.
In recent few days, I made some improvements, mainly related to "route priority" recalculation system. It will need some tests, but I think it looks good. If you are using beta versions, next Beta (end of this week) will include these changes.
I wrote about the coming changes here: https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/via-point-converts-to-sharping-pount#comment-69788 . Required behavior should be exactly what you need. App should with disabled "stick" option, try to push you back on route, but not force you to go back on some trackpoint far away behind you.
Thanks 8), with new beta it is working much more better.
But ... ::)
After recalculating Locus leads me back sometimes just 'a little bit' (without a via point).
Sc1: starting point
Sc2: overview
Sc3: this is what I would see (and hear) on my bike (with zoom according to speed)
Hmm not best. Recalculation with route-priority, "stick to route" disabled, right?
Right. ;)
Hello Willy,
what is the difference between the first two videos? I watched them more than once but still does not see any significant difference. Thanks
I'm just tested Strict mode and it seems to work the same as before.
Willy, exactly this I've found during the last weekend and made a bigger update in just published 3.27.2.11 Beta version, so please give it a try. Will do too during the weekend :).
EDIT: damn, found one more issue after publishing a new version. Seems that app does not merge two tracks correctly ... yet. So the next version will be needed.
Hmm, I guess I have asked @Menion by other words about this possible undesired tailing recently as well. :-) ( not having opportunity to test it yet.)
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The new beta route priority recalculation seems working fine, doing deviations along a precalculated city walking route.
For both GPX based and directly calculated routes.
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Surprised it works correctly to you :). Anyway, new version just published.
And now it seems to be working well ...
Thanks for tests. If you in the first case get some navigation order on "meeting points", it should be more an accident then intent. I was thinking if the app should generate some navigation command on this crossing, but in the end, I've decided to left it rather "empty" then generate incorrect command just based on shape.
In the second case, there seems to be missing single trackpoint on the crossing. It may probably happen. We will see in terrain :). But generally, it seems to work correctly, fine.
Did some (couch- ;))testing too ... and in many cases it works pretty good. 8)
Only one time it leads me directly back to my starting point :-\ ... but I couldn't repeat this ...
I think it's time for field test ... (when rain stops ::))
PS: can I change the value (30 sec) for delay time of recalculation in config file?
Would be good for testing ... and maybe even in field ... because:
If Locus doesn't lead back I'm normaly back on route after recalculation. In other case my setting 'distance for recalculate' would prevent from immediately calculation.
And raining and raining ... which is fine, nature was really dry.
30sec refresh is hardcoded in the app. If you want to trigger it earlier, you may simply over navigation menu manually, so I believe there is no need for customization here.
30 seconds is from my point of view optimal limit to prevent too frequent recalculation. And years of usage confirmed this :).
Hello Willy,
thanks for the tests.
Point-priority: are there any changes in Beta version? Should not. Via-points are really must-pass points.
Option to skip via-point is really missing as well as the option to add via-point during navigation. I've well aware of it and it's planned.
Route-priority: what happens to you should really not happen :). Send me please your route as GPX, I'll test it, thanks.
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30 seconds is from my point of view optimal limit to prevent too frequent recalculation. And years of usage confirmed this :).
No problem ... :)
@0709
Heh, same as in my answer 11 days ago on the help desk (https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/via-point-converts-to-sharping-pount#comment-70014), I mix two cases, sorry :).
We talk here about recalculation, so I again wanted to say that for point-priority, via-points are must-pass.
Anyway, new version 3.37.2.13 just published and it should solve
a) issue with via points & route-priority as in attach file (thanks for help)
b) added hopefully nice tool that should prevent recalculation back if user ignore "turn back" 2 times. So if you ride forward, app two times recalculate back and you still ride forward, 3rd recompute should be forward and not backward.
uff, both issue should be fixed, thanks. The whole system is quite sensitive on indexes, so I'm sure there will be a situation when the result won't be perfect. Step by step to victory :).
Thanks Willy!
After now 2 month of discussion and developement I want to give a (positive) feedback. ;)
I tried the new version now with two longer biking routes .... and navigation along a route works (almost) perfect. 8)
I planed the route within route planer /brouter ... included some caches ... choosed my biking profile ... and the fun could start.
I was a little scared ::) when I saw the first deviation ... but all worked well. :)
Some missed turns by me leads to some further deviations ... but more or less I found back to my route without stoping on every second parking place. ;D
Thx for your work and patience .... today for me it was great fun just to ride and get guided by Locus. 8)
Within those deviations I saw that it really wouldn't help if you recalculate to much (because I set my distance for recalculation to 40m) but ... I had a new idea: ::)
The problem when you leave your planed route is that Locus leads you directly back from your current positon.
While walking this is no problem ... but with car or bike it's almost impossible.
Maybe it's better (when motorized movement) to navigate straight in the actual direction and look for a "allowed" turn.
Then it would be not such a stress to have no possible guidance (because turning on street is most time not possible) ...
The second advantage would be that if you decide to ignore this short turn ... the next possible turn is generated or maybe even a better route back is found. (That's very near to my car navigation).
@jonny.blue
thanks for the feedback. The positive one is rare and always welcome :).
When we talk about recalculation & BRouter, it is a little bit complicated. Locus Map already sends to BRouter information about the direction of users movement. It has a small effect on the final router, but not so big.
Current solution: Locus Map perform two recalculations in a row. When results of both are ignored, it places no-go point behind your movement which blocks recalculation back. So, if you miss turning and will ride still straight, in the worst case after 90 seconds you receive the result that won't force you back.
As Willy correctly mentioned, there are two options that may be fine-tuned (among others).
- number of ignored recalculations till way back is blocked (may be created as an optional parameter)
- hardcoded timeout (is in app +- since begin, have to be improved in the code itself)
@0709
to the problem with "recalculation" ... believe it's better now, thanks!
Just a (hopefully) small improvement idea.
Right now the no go area after two recalculation is set behind you.
Sometimes there is just in front of you an alternative way back to the point you missed. This means the goal of the no go area doesn't twork in this scenario.
Maybe it's better to place the no go area to the point you missed instead or in addition.
This should solve the problem.
I vote for an option when the no go area is set. In my case (car) I woul set it to zero. Means don't guide me back from the beginning.
Nevertheless thanks for the work you did in this area. Very welcome improvement.
Hi guys, sorry for the small delay in my answer.
@0709
are you able to provide me (for example short video) where is visible incorrectly computed too long tail? Best for me is to simulate this problem so I can play with it a little bit, thanks.
@CabrioTourer
Nogo on missed point ... hmm does it make sense in case of "route-priority" recalculation?
... to be true, I do not have good feeling about it because I worry a lot of side effects, like completely blocked only way to target etc. Do you also have some example where this approach should make a big difference?
Hi,
I switched to new 😎 phone with Android 9 Pie .... and after some struggling with settings ( especially power save settings ) all works well and I did my first bike tour today. 😎
With the new phone my hope was even with setting: 'enable/disable screen - turn on when notifying a track command' changing to another app could work without entering a pin.
But ... also with new opportunities of android system to stay online Locus asks me for a pin when I change to another app ( GPS Status, even to Locus addon geocaching)
I wonder if this is really necessary or what triggers this behaviour.
- in android I disabled my lock mode while near to my trusted bluetooth headset ... so I don't need to unlock my phone.
- in Locus I don't activate 'disable screen lock'.
Therefore I hoped I can switch (when parking 😉) to other apps without entering a pin ( whyever fingerprint isn't requested).
Anyone any idea ... ?
Hello Jonny,
you have "trusted device" as your BT set and even if this BT headset is connected, device require a PIN when the screen is turned on?
"Disabled screen lock" is not reliable feature and on some devices, it does not work correctly. In recent version will be a minor update that may help on some devices (but only on some, so still no guarantee).
Anyway, one thing is turning the screen on directly by Locus and a different then switch to another app. For both cases should work "trusted devices". Only for the first should work "disabled screen lock".