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Title: Offline POI database
Post by: balloni55 on December 17, 2014, 19:47:12
the old thread (http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3267.0) is closed,
so i start a new one :P

- the displayed iconsize of automatic loaded db-POI`s is very small, size should be equal POI´s or geocaches.
- why are icon size and presentation of automatic loaded db-POI`s  different to e.g. loadet POI`s arround?

menion wrote: automatic loaded POI`s depend on theme,
a few examples:
- e.g. "firestation" "emergency&health" are never visible? why??
- money "bank" is only visible with theme "city" and ZL >16.  Is this info not interesting for other theme users?
- "view point" is  only visible with theme "ski, cycle, hike" and ZL >14  why?

Is somewhere a list available" which theme display which POI`s" ?

Generaly i miss e.g.  "parking places" and "official phones"

From my point of view db-POI`s should always be displayed in version "points arround", optic and size fit much better ;) (second screenshot)
here an example of different displayed db-POI`s and size.
(http://s24.postimg.org/kt82ro975/Size.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/kt82ro975/)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on December 19, 2014, 11:42:35
btw
"Points arround" don't means a circumcircle.
It's more an elypse.
screenshot shows approximately 24km from W to E and 37km from N to S
(http://s15.postimg.org/6vpwm73af/2014_12_19_113300.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6vpwm73af/)  (http://s10.postimg.org/fsc66j3c5/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/fsc66j3c5/)  (http://s10.postimg.org/4u0woceqt/18_5.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4u0woceqt/)

[ignore me]
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/offline-database-of-poi-beta-in-v3-5-2-feedback-questions
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/poi-onoff-offline-db-poi
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/how-to-choose-poi%C2%B4s-offline-db-poi
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/poi-visibility-offline-db-poi
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4321.msg33936#msg33936
[/ignore me]
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on December 19, 2014, 12:11:56
it depends on your latitude. Suggest to draw a circle with geocaching tools.

It should have same shape (I'm worried it won't and things starts to complicate  :P )

EDIT:
ah and this topic miss answer ... hmm so:

- size of automatically loaded points is created again by vector theme (anyway I'm aware that is miss "scale map" value)
- difference - points loaded automatically are - let's say points that match vector theme. Points you found and display by yourself should be a lot more visible because it was your interest to display them
- "firestation" - do not know. Are they visible in any vector theme? If you see them only as non-clickable points, they are probably missing in DB Poi
- "banks" - don't know, you have to ask Peter (wait for his answer) as he do content of these maps and this Poi database. Same with "view point"

- "which theme which points" - no
- parking places - http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/private-parking-should-not-be-in-poi-database

"From my point of view db-POI`s should always be displayed in version "points arround", optic and size fit much better ;) (second screenshot) here an example of different displayed db-POI`s and size."

- cannot agree. Purpose of this DB was - make visible points on vector map, clickable. Anyway feel free to open new topic on help desk. As usually, if there will be lot of users interested in something like that, I'll definitely do something with it.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on December 19, 2014, 13:02:25
it depends on your latitude.

ahh - i see only 12km to west and east, because 18,5km in Czech are smaller than 18,5km in Ecqador - very interesting..  ;D ;D

The point is: I selected Points 18,5 km arround me - so i expect a result of
18,5 Km to West,
18,5 Km to North
18,5 Km to East
and 18,5 Km to South

whether in Ecuador or in Finland.

edit
Suggest to draw a circle with geocaching tools. It should have same shape
agree - it should.... (here in finland)
(http://s30.postimg.org/gre4plx1p/2014_12_19_133706.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gre4plx1p/)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on December 19, 2014, 16:42:16
List of "Points arround" should be sorted by distance?
Scroll to end of list loading further POIs with unsorted entries.
(http://s12.postimg.org/bhcbwglu1/2014_12_19_162057.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bhcbwglu1/)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: voldapet on December 20, 2014, 09:49:39
@balloni55

Icon Size
You’re probably right. I can remember that I wanted to have POI icon bigger and also with shading effect to show that icon is “different” – in this case click-able. So why not, I think that this is interesting idea.

Never visible icons/pois
You’re right that some icons or POIs are not visible because the themes for vector maps. But from my opinion should themes respect some map standards because POIs and map itself are still little bit separated. The question is – do you really need to have on map Fire station? Dentist or veterinary? I don’t think so. I guess that we should improve the integration of POI db into vector maps.  For example to have the same icons in the list and on the map, add possibility to turn-on/off visibility of some group of POIs (independent on the theme). Do not hesitate create feature request on help desk and vote for it…

Phones
There were in the first beta version of POIdb. But we’ve removed them … let’s convince me that public phones are needed  :)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: balloni55 on December 20, 2014, 19:48:47
thanks menion and peter for your answer,
i´ll create some feature requests as "idea" in helpdesk within the next days ;)

In search dialog is an option  "Remove history", but unfurtunately there are no previous used search words visible/stored to use them again.
Next point, i write a word to search for and "delete" it, but the search is not stopped.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on December 24, 2014, 13:17:33
In search dialog is an option  "Remove history", but unfurtunately there are no previous used search words visible/stored to use them again.
good point.
...and this option is visible only after first input.
should always be visible - if a history still exists.

Quote
Next point, i write a word to search for and "delete" it, but the search is not stopped.
can't reproduce - search stops after few seconds.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: balloni55 on December 24, 2014, 13:52:33
Quote
can't reproduce - search stops after few seconds.
see video

and by the way
Merry Christmas
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on December 24, 2014, 23:51:26
ah i see
but that's more "how it works" - not really a big problem.
slow device = slow reaction
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: balloni55 on December 25, 2014, 08:27:21
Quote
but that's more "how it works" - not really a big problem.
no its not a big problem ;)
but you do it in another way
i delete search term with "black arrow X" button
and you delete it with ???
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: jones12ax7 on May 09, 2015, 23:40:38
Hello people,

Is this possible to create my own POI .db file?

I have a huge  ( more than 20000) POI database that I have imported in Points from a GPX file but they're are slowing down Locus startup if I left it visible.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on May 10, 2015, 07:20:48
Hello Jones,

there is currently no simple way to do this.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: jones12ax7 on May 10, 2015, 19:00:13
Thanks for answering Menion,

I imagine the complexities involved, and so more troubles for developers to support it too.

One way I imagine would be to convert my POIs to OSM format and then use the same tool you use to create the .db ( I guess the .db from the store are from OSM data).

 I understand that this may not be interesting to make this tool available, so it could prejudice the selling on the store, but if that's not the case, and there's no other problem, it would be nice to have access to the tool to make some experiments.

I'm planning to make some experiments with a KML loading POIs from my own server.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on May 10, 2015, 19:12:03
To be true, I was not yet thinking about publish or not this tool. Not for now as it will be mainly during June in process of rewrite due to some limits. We also have whole system as quite complex Java app that also generate vector maps, upload them on required places and update them in Locus Store. So all-in-one. No so easy to separate just one part ...
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on May 10, 2015, 20:37:41
Quote
mainly during June in process of rewrite due to some limits
don't forget
sort/display bug
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4333.msg33836#msg33836
still exists
(http://s12.postimg.org/eu501jr2x/2015_05_10_194540.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/eu501jr2x/)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: michaelbechtold on May 10, 2015, 22:43:36
And ability to switch off the POI DB. Renaming DB can t be a serious answer here !
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on May 11, 2015, 07:17:41
What about to start using a tags, so I'll always find required topics ;)

http://help.locusmap.eu/search/tag%3ALocus%20Maps%20POIs
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on June 17, 2015, 20:09:34
hmm some posts about new vector map themes options bring me back to this thread.

Please can you tell us a current status?
What's the plan?

btw.
that's not a push -  just interest.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on June 18, 2015, 06:56:53
"push" is always needed ;). Anyway plans ... currently no plans. I'm well aware that this feature needs some improvements, so they will come, but interest from users community is average, so I see no hurry for now
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: john_percy on June 18, 2015, 08:51:28
+1 Interest
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: Andrew Heard on June 18, 2015, 12:00:29
+1
Is there a way to filter/search for all "offline POI" + ideas + popular? I see 226 results for "offline POI" - 10 pages - too difficult to view but 226 topics suggests lots of interest.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on June 18, 2015, 12:25:14
...but interest from users community is average...

http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/separating-poi-db-downloads-from-map-downloads
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/selecting-the-right-poi-db-for-current-map-view
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/offline-database-of-poi-beta-in-v3-5-2-feedback-questions
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/poi-onoff-offline-db-poi
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/poi-visibility-offline-db-poi
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/how-to-choose-poi%C2%B4s-offline-db-poi (http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/how-to-choose-poi%C2%B4s-offline-db-poi)
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/poi-visibility-offline-db-poi
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/poi-onoff-offline-db-poi
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/private-parking-should-not-be-in-poi-database
http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=4459.0

 8)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on June 19, 2015, 13:25:06
heh, nice list. But I believe it is not needed ...

Try to use tags: http://help.locusmap.eu/search/tag%3ALocus%20Maps%20POIs
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on June 19, 2015, 13:35:12
I believe it is not needed ...
Andrew asked.
Your ("userespose") search results are not the best. Compare and you will see.
...but i think you know it.  ;)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on June 19, 2015, 13:37:41
search results from link above are based on simple fact - it just display all topics that has defined tag : Locus Maps POIs , nothing more.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on June 19, 2015, 13:38:40
yup - I see  ;D
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: Christian on February 14, 2016, 21:54:54
Will it be possible to search within the poi db for waymarks (in hiking trails), i.e. "red point on white" as tagged in OAM?
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on February 15, 2016, 06:17:02
Hello Christian,
this database is "independent" on base map to which is attached. It depend only whether we add certain items to database or not. Actually I can't say if this will be possible or not, we will see once this database came out of Beta stage within next months.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: Christian on February 15, 2016, 09:44:09
Thanx. When you on point of decision please think about this post regarding "searching for hiking waymarks" ;)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: voldapet on February 15, 2016, 14:54:32
Hello Christian,
I'm not sure if I can understand your question. Offline POIs DB contains only Points but you probably want to search for track by OSMC symbol, am I right?  So it isn't related with current POIs DB. It looks like completely new feature and I as I know there are no plans for such feature for next months. On the other side I can imagine that we'd add tracks with symbol into offline database but I need to ask: why do you want to search by OSMC / waymarked symbol? Or how exactly would want to use searching?
Thanks
Petr
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: Christian on February 15, 2016, 18:16:12
Sometimes i get descriptions or  recommandations like "do running or cycling the path with the waymark 'red on white'" without any starting or end point.
This is sometimes difficult to find, so a search for waymarks would help.
Since a couple of years i use and enjoy waymarked hiking trails especially long distance trails. So having these trails included in POI DB would be nice.
But may be i'm the only one in this universe who needs this feature...
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: voldapet on February 15, 2016, 22:35:16
I see ... well I can imagine to create DB or list of waymarked trails. Then would be useful to show the list of tracks, sort them by distance, maybe search by name or search by ref number (if exists). But searching by symbol? Who knows :) Maybe you aren't alone in the universe.  However thank you for idea :)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on April 03, 2016, 03:05:21
old problem...

Create a circle around my position 3300m
Searching POIs around my position
Locus draw successfully POIs inside the "N to S" range.
But result range in "W to E" was to small.
demo see screenshot,
(http://s22.postimg.org/hh0nc0zst/2016_04_03_020826.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/hh0nc0zst/)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on April 03, 2016, 15:50:44
Quite a mystery for me. I spend on it two hours and I'm still unable to find out, why this happen. It should be ellipse, but not so big. Interesting ... so next try again after few months probably :).

EDIT: damn, I don't like such mysteries ... solved another two hours later. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: zossebart on May 12, 2016, 12:45:08
Hey,

don't know if this is the right place, but is it possible to include tourism=guest_house and tourism=chalet into the Offline POI DBs? Because at the moment they are neither found by offline POI search, nor "klickable" on the map although the theme (e.g. Elevate) shows them.
Especially tourism=guest_house is quite common (at least in germany) but at the moment not easy to find with Locus offline POI db.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on May 12, 2016, 13:23:33
...so next try again after few months probably :).
EDIT: damn, I don't like such mysteries ... solved another two hours later. Thanks :)
wow (i read your "edit" too late)
Two years of begging helps me again now  ;)
thx 4 a circle  ;D
(http://s32.postimg.org/qaiv9a6v5/Screenshot_2016_05_12_12_59_39.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qaiv9a6v5/)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: voldapet on May 12, 2016, 13:31:51
@zossebart
Locus POIs DB does not contain tourism=guest_house nor tourism=chalet. I can add  tourism=guest_house into section accommodation but not sure with tourism=chalet but why not. The problem is that these POIs are in the most of cases located in Germany or in Austria. However It should appear in POI DB during this summer.
Petr
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: zossebart on May 12, 2016, 15:43:59
Thank you for including it into the db!

Looking at taginfo, tourism=guest_house is used ca. 62000 times, tourism=hotel ca. 209000 times worldwide. So I think it's really a significant part of the worldwide accomodations and should be useful for other people as well.
 
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: ZBilly on May 13, 2016, 16:16:05
Hi, first post so apologies if this is in the wrong section...

Is it possible to search for car parks in the offline POI search? I seem to only find cycle parking when searching for "parking", and I cannot find car parks in the lists of POI categories. Am I missing something? I'm guessing the Tag:amenity=parking would be relevant.

Will

ps I should say I am using the England LoMap.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: gynta on May 14, 2016, 01:18:47
Hi, first post so apologies if this is in the wrong section...
Hello Will
This is the right place  ;)

Quote
Is it possible to search for car parks in the offline POI search?
car park areas? hmm, nope, not yet.

That's not what you want to do, but...
try to change the map theme to make it visible (except Locus themes)
(http://s32.postimg.org/3wuvo4t9t/2016_05_14_011446.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3wuvo4t9t/)
->http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?board=40.0
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: eph on June 27, 2017, 14:27:23
Also first post, right place for a POI request?

Would it please be possible to support the POI format as on Openandromaps? I tried renaming the extension from .poi to .poi.db, but the points don't get recognized (in MapsVector folder, just like the map itself)..
Example maps + POI's: http://www.openandromaps.org/en/downloads/europe (http://www.openandromaps.org/en/downloads/europe)

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on June 28, 2017, 09:34:06
Good day eph,
support for this POI format is currently not planned.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: eph on June 28, 2017, 10:21:14
Ah too bad  :-\
I understand this is the Mapsforge POI format?
- Could you please shed some light, would it be possible to consider support in a later development stage?
- Otherwise, does any tool exist which can convert between POI file formats?
Thanks, best regards,

EDIT: Link https://github.com/mapsforge/mapsforge/blob/master/docs/POI.md (https://github.com/mapsforge/mapsforge/blob/master/docs/POI.md)
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on June 28, 2017, 10:27:20
It is correct, it is a MapsForge format implemented in latest versions of MapsForge library.

Locus Map anyway use for quite long time own POI format which is, together with offline address database, supplied with modified version of MapsForge maps, that we call LoMaps and that are downloadable over Locus Store.

Support in future is not planned. I personally see no serious reason for this as both, mentioned POI format and LoPoints ( POI of LoMaps maps ) share close to same content.

Any possible conversion between formats is not known to me.

Thanks for understanding.
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: eph on June 28, 2017, 10:52:56
Hi menion,
OK I wasn't aware that the Locus Store maps include POI's - I guess that's why they're called "LoMaps & Addresses", but I didn't figure it out. Thanks for the clarification, I'll look into it!
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: tapio on July 04, 2017, 06:04:27
Menion, are you working on the POI system? I think the current state is something that can be improved. E.g., loading 100 by 100 is not perfec and rather clunkyt, also loading POIs in a radius around the center is not perfect, while POIs along a track are of interest... Hey, Locus could, as a track option, auto load POIs in a radius around the track... Probably a can of worms :D Are POIs your unloved child ;)?
Title: Re: Offline POI database
Post by: menion on July 05, 2017, 10:17:23
All ideas related to this database should be tagged on help desk with "LoPoints (http://help.locusmap.eu/search/LoPoints)" tag, so feel free to vote.