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Versions
23. 1. 2024 - Locus 4.21.0

and where are the apk´s ?

One of last steps is not automatic and here we have results, sorry  ::)

8) I like the new geocaching live filter option ... works great. 👍

I would like to see the name of the active filter on map ... maybe in the upper bar (configurable) 😉

Quote@T-mo
Routing data downloader - I do not perfectly understand what you want to update.
 - update of segments when "Auto-update" is disabled does not work for you?

I wanted to manually trigger an update, but realised I can only update by enabling automatic update, wait until the update happens - manually check by explorer and rd5 date - then disable automatic update.
I always manually trigger updates, everything, playstore apps, .., whatever.
Honestly the marked text is wrong, therefore marked, you cannot update segments.


See attached picture, hope this can be understood.
I just searched date of rd5 files in use, date of last update so to say.
Which segment is which rd5-file is just nice to know. Currently you got no (visible) relation between selected segment and file, you just have to know. This is okay, select and go.
Adding the available names and file dates is just a suggestion as being super simple.
As being said, I looked for dates, then for files, not given inside LM4.

Quote from: MenionInteresting, I'm playing with it and for me, size of offline LoPoints is really controlled by the "LoPoint icon size" option. Interesting...

Unfortunately this forum doesn't allow quoting from one topic to another
https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=8684.msg74362#msg74362

attached screen caps - left "i" is my own added point, right icon is from LoPoints(offline) > search toilet

1st screen: point icon size 90%, LoPoint icon size 300%
2nd screen: point icon size 300%, LoPoint icon size 90%

So for me, I think this demonstrates icon size is NOT altered by LoPoint icon size? Intended? The map is OAM, however I have tested & confirmed same sizes with Locus map.

I tried geocaching live in practice today (it was brilliant 8) ) and I had one more wish:
Maybe you should make the icon as green as the proximity alarm to see that a query is active.

@jonny.blue
I also think that filter is quite a nice tool :).

Anyway, toolbar > hmm, for now, what about at least info in the side Map screen content panel? Should be useful for a quick check.

Colored icon > agree, done

@T-mo
A manual update is definitely possible! Simply select the required areas, confirm in the top toolbar, and press the confirm (2) button, that's all. Download/update will be added to the app queue of tasks and will be done as soon as possible. The auto-update method only updates already downloaded segments.

Visible name, last update, etc. ... understand your point, but sorry, this will be for sure useless info for most of the users. Except for rare cases (like you) no one cares about certain files, where there is a graphical selector. I'm quite sure about it.

@Andrew Heard
agree, your screens confirm it. Logic behind in the app is very simple and this is a big mystery to me.

Hmmm as I see precisely on your screenshots ... are you sure, that the toilet icon is offline LoPoint? So the active clickable point that comes from the (attached to the map) offline database?
You may recognize lopoints by visible "Add photo" icon in the top right corner of the point detail.

Quote from: Menion on January 26, 2024, 08:29:53are you sure, that the toilet icon is offline LoPoint? So the active clickable point that comes from the (attached to the map) offline database?
You may recognize lopoints by visible "Add photo" icon in the top right corner of the point detail.

@menion - just doubled checked - yes offline LoPoint & "Add photo" icon.

A different topic, and probably an observation rather than any action needed, but I have 4.21.0 installed on device:
20240127-084730-.jpg
and yet Google Play Store offers to update to 4.20?? I declined the offer. I have not seen this before, and probably tomorrow everything will be "back in sync".
20240127-084750-.jpg

Hello menion
caches saved with Locus, whether by GC code or the live map, will not display log photos even after a cache update.
The same search with GC4L shows the images in the logs
Example: https://coord.info/GC9P8NT

and a small request, can you always specify the letters GC when searching with "GC code"?

the "filter" history is meaningless, see screenshot

Expert settings> Bearing below compass arrow/on
value is not visible for me

Finally, after a longer time, the new Beta version. Among support and maintenance, I've been mainly focused, already for almost 2 months, on the new Data manager, so there are not many updates, just a few nice tweaks (mainly for geocaching).

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@Andrew Heard
Icon size > it is a mystery for me Andrew, sorry. There is no reason for this behavior and I'm unable to simulate it for now.

@balloni55
- images in GC logs > they were missing, fixed, thanks (it needs to redownload caches, not just update)
- "GC" letters prefilled > done, but it is not perfect for now. Cursors remain at the start for now. Sorry, unsolvable issue for now because of technical limits
- "Filter name" > When you edit the filter, at the start is the "Name" field > it is the name of the filter itself!!. So it is not a history, but the list of saved filters.
- "Bearing below compass arrow" > ah thanks, this setting was related to the old compass arrow, which is now used only in the Locus Classic. I'll remove it. It does not work for almost three years and you are the first who complains.

thanks for fix and improvements

QuoteSo it is not a history, but the list of saved filters.

understand ;)
is it possible to display a scrollbar if more filters are available?

can finally delete tracks & points from v1.41.1 web planner - thanks guys, great feature! sorry this is not the right topic but...

Will it be sometimes possible to update a single cache or all caches in a data list, like it is possible with Geocaching4Locus add-ON? That's the only thing, why I'm still using the addon.

Problem with sharing location from Google (again):
It works when Locus is already open, but if the sharing triggers a Locus startup, nothing happens (Locus stays in previous location).

Hallo in der aktuellen Beta v4.21.1.1 werden die (Auswahl) Icon nicht mehr richtig dargestellt. Es scheint, als hätte man nur den Schatten.

Gruß
LOUDINI

Same error for me. Icons are all black in the selection dialogue...  :(

Quote from: loudini on February 13, 2024, 13:06:34Hallo in der aktuellen Beta v4.21.1.1 werden die (Auswahl) Icon nicht mehr richtig dargestellt. Es scheint, als hätte man nur den Schatten.

Gruß
LOUDINI

Hi guys,

weekend, again? Damn :)
At least a bug-fix Beta version on the Drive.

@Diddi
update of single cache in new Beta! An update of a bunch of caches at once will have to wait a little. Remind me this once the new "Data manager" will be published (this year).

@slarti76
how do you share the location? There are more options and not all may work ...

@loudini
icons, thanks. I hope it is fixed now (because I can't simulate it).

Icons: confirmed fixed

Wow, Locus root directory on Android/media!
That solves the Locus photo access, too, I suppose.

MapGooglePlayAfa_4.21.1.2_1125_beta
i experience lot of lags while moving and loading map-areas. To test if this is vector-map+theme related I switched to a raster-map (mbtiles), same there.
Cannot give details, just a change that is noticeable over here.

Map rendering is extremely slow for me too. XZ1 Compact. Android 10.

Quote from: T-mo on February 17, 2024, 13:30:42MapGooglePlayAfa_4.21.1.2_1125_beta
i experience lot of lags while moving and loading map-areas. To test if this is vector-map+theme related I switched to a raster-map (mbtiles), same there.
Cannot give details, just a change that is noticeable over here.

Quote from: TrulloF on February 17, 2024, 16:29:31Map rendering is extremely slow for me too.

Same! Huawei Mate20X. Android 10. The non-afa version. Not extremely, but like 4 times slower.
Zooming out to ZL<10 is really slow.

I hope Menion finds the cause. Map dragging is now coupled with severe stuttering. I would have downgraded to latest stable, but this requires uninstallation which I'm hesitant to do.

The slowdown is interesting.
Could you please give a try to the V2 version on Google Drive? Thanks
> MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.2 V2_1125_beta

Quote from: Menion on February 16, 2024, 21:51:29Hi guys,

weekend, again? Damn :)
At least a bug-fix Beta version on the Drive.
@slarti76
how do you share the location? There are more options and not all may work ...

Are there? I click on a POI in Google Maps, then I see only one "Share" button with the standard "three-dot-two-lines" share icon. I click that, reproducibly first time fails (Locus stopped or not used for long time), second time works.
What other Share options are there?

The share button in the title of the point returns a different value compared to the bigger "Share" button in the row of buttons. Long-click > share also gives different values and there were some other options. Simply sharing from Google Maps is really complicated and also changing over time.

Anyway, I'm unable to simulate your behavior, hmm. Does this happen with all places?

Much better. Thanks.

Quote from: Menion on February 19, 2024, 08:15:57The slowdown is interesting.
Could you please give a try to the V2 version on Google Drive? Thanks
> MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.2 V2_1125_beta

Hello! Confirm slowdown issue solved. Thanks!

Quote from: Menion on February 19, 2024, 08:54:10The share button in the title of the point returns a different value compared to the bigger "Share" button in the row of buttons. Long-click > share also gives different values and there were some other options. Simply sharing from Google Maps is really complicated and also changing over time.

Anyway, I'm unable to simulate your behavior, hmm. Does this happen with all places?

Ok, weird, I tried to record a screengrab for you to illustrate, and now I can't reproduce it anymore.
I still don't know or see any of the other "Share" options you mention, but I do know that these change all the time, so even our Maps versions might differ.
In any case, as I now can't reproduce, and there always was a workaround (do it a second time), we can dismiss this for now. If I ever find out what really triggers this behaviour, I'll write again... Thx!

Quote from: Menion on February 19, 2024, 08:15:57The slowdown is interesting.
Could you please give a try to the V2 version on Google Drive? Thanks
> MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.2 V2_1125_beta

no more issues with V2. Thanks

Slowdown gone, yes, thx.

Uff, perfect, thanks!

Quote from: michaelbechtold on February 17, 2024, 07:46:25Wow, Locus root directory on Android/media!

@Menion
And allows to backup this directory with various backup apps under Android >13 :-)

Works perfect.

Thanks to Menion

A13 Motorola. (No A14 experience)

Android/media is more comfortable as fewer obstacles pop up.

In Android/data, the only way to access the Locus folder is via the default Android file browser. This one is somewhat 'hidden' but the following app gives you quick access. This app functions as a shortcut to the default Android file browser.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.marc.files

On my phone, at least, I have to get that app into split screen mode on order to copy or move files. But it works.

Something very weird. I import GPXs of a friend. His tracks are 2000 km away from here. On this import, Locus embeds waypoints from where I live. I don't know where Locus accesses them. Anyone?
I checked the source gpx, theres no wpt. But a wpt is inside a new export.

I have a track where it added 13 waypoints on import, it's exhausting to remove one by one.

Look how I import/delete the same gpx file over and over again, every time there's a different number of embedded waypoints!

https://youtu.be/VIcCid6BVF4?si=WV_oU2nRgn6B8DTy

If I import into a new database - no issue.

Interesting, never saw something like this. It looks like a problem with references in the database. I'll probably need a backup of your database and problematic file ... but if the problem is really what I think, hard to say how to solve it, hmm... ::)

Quote from: Menion on February 23, 2024, 13:42:59Interesting, never saw something like this. It looks like a problem with references in the database. I'll probably need a backup of your database and problematic file ... but if the problem is really what I think, hard to say how to solve it, hmm... ::)

I will try to make a copy of this databases with as few as possible tracks (with the error still remaining) and send you the files. Will take some days.
EDIT: Sent

Interesting scrolling in the "My lists and PQ" screen under Geocaching Tools, with 4.21.1.  Both the two headings (Bookmarks, Pocket Queries) follow the finger smoothly, but all the remaining content scrolls in a rather disconnected - discontinuous - manner.  Odd.

I have 14 bookmarks and 7 active PQs, and this happens on both my phone and big tablet.

Not really a problem, just ... amusing.  :)

Hi guys,
@Tapio & @Viajero Perdido , sorry, I've not yet looked on the database and issue in "GC My lists". Will try to do it next week.

Meanwhile: the new MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.3 Route Planner_1125_beta Beta version was published. Among some other minor fixes, there is a completely new system of handling shaping/via points in the route planner that should also fully replace the old "Navigate to" screen. So who wants to try, feedback is welcome! Thanks and have a nice weekend.

I'm wondering about the usability of a). A lot of space. Tapping an entry opens search - useful?

b) Longtap a point could toggle it to via/shaping points.

c) Showing segment details on top of the list screen makes it a bit confusing. (cannot add a second screenshot, may bw because of my browser)

Overall I like the new navigation UI. Nice ideas. It ties in with the Web Planner UI. It is amazing to reflect on how far LM navigation has progressed since the first integration with BRouter.

1) I'd agree with @tapio. I don't think the default use-case when tapping a point name should be a search? From the point menu surely enough? Panning the point into view on the map, same as tapping the point icon, seems more intuitive to me. And definitely long-tap on the point icon to toggle, or display point details?
20240303-113422-.jpg

2) It would be *really nice* if the drag up bottom panel provided a ">" button, consistent with ordinary track details panel, to show the full chart, and (in my case) slope.
20240303-113341-.jpg

3) 6 points in the list is taking up too much screen space - half of tablet in portrait orientation. As @tapio said it would be good if it could be more compact, and, for me, maybe 3 points are enough. Could the user drag the bottom panel to their desired height rather than a height where each user wants something different? I know each shaping point has it's number in middle of the green triangle, but so hard to see, so could the number also be included in the point name, similar to Via point name, as marked up below?
20240303-113550-.jpg

4) Could tapping on the profile icon in between each point allow selection, and changing, of the method of segment routing?

I also like the changes, the planner appears more like an overlay (floating ui) instead of a separate dialog.

I am with Tapio and Andrew reg. points, dialog, search, spacing, etc.

I guess it's more intuitive to have the marked buttons with a different color and both to be placed at the same position, e.g. both right for right handed ppl.
Undo- and Redo-buttons are placed partially underneath the banner.

I again had to enter route planner to fully gain fullscreen-mode in general, this bug appeared some versions ago, you could fix it. I can share a video via PM later.

There is some kind of bug, after a red triangle appeared (meaning?) I deleted all shaping points. But then every time I added a new one, the prior one got deleted. There was always only one shaping point, in red.

Running always the latest AFA beta, I experience Cloud Sync going nuts since some time. Every few minutes it starts replicating, again and again and again, ...
Any idea, Menion?
TXs and cheers
Michael

PS: "deleting" is the most frequent message, but it has not emptied my databases to zero - yet.

I use the current AFA
file system manager/set the main directory > screen endless "loading"

The list with the points interferes with the route planner. Previously you could show and hide them in the top right-hand corner. Unfortunately, this is no longer possible.
I only need this list very rarely.

Further to my last post & @freischneider I've made a video showing how hard it is to hide the new bottom panel - 5 attempts to drag down & hide - it kept on popping up. Finally got it to "stay down" - why is it so tedious? Also suggest the visibility is a sticky setting. Once LM knows the user doesn't want to see this panel, keep it hidden (as in previous version). Even better would be to remember the users preferred height of this panel & restore it next time.

Why do some Locus help topics get "archived" because then it's no longer possible to add comments? For example "Locus Map on Win11" https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/29607-locus-on-win11. Microsoft is to drop Android support on Windows in 2025 - https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/5/24091370/microsoft-windows-11-android-apps-end-of-support. So much for that idea ;-(

I have now tested "navigate to".
Poi opened / navigate selected
In most cases, you want to navigate there from your location.
The destination is already entered. Very good
Now comes "choose Start location"
That was not so intuitive
First I clicked on the + // no reaction
Then in the field with the text.
Now I was in the search. But where can I choose my location (GPS). I entered the location in the search. But no result. Opened the menu, nothing either.
So I clicked back. Then I tried the 3-point menu. Then I found what I was looking for.
For newcomers, this is not a very good idea. They may give up earlier.
Suggestion 1:
When you go from the "Navigate to (new)" screen to the search, a selection is displayed in the search. "My location / Other
This takes me to the "Select location" screen

Suggestion 2:
Make the "Choose Start location" line shorter. Write in two lines in one field. Behind it are 2 individual lines with text:
1. via search
2. my location / other (my location only as a symbol, otherwise it would be too long.
There may be an arrow that splits into 2

I think suggestion 1 is better and looks better too. Of course, the field is only in the search when you come from the "navigate to" screen.

When I search for an adress, then choose the 1 suggested and correct result/entry,  and add a point, then only name and geo-location is prefilled, any adress-field is empty. I can hit 'get adress' and get what I want, though this is somewhat lame.
I suggest to fill those fields if chosen search-entry already contains them.
E.g. 'Hermannstraße 24, 40233 Düsseldorf'

Hi guys,
thanks for the valuable feedback!

Global problems reported here regard planner improvements
- click on items: now it will open a point detail. It center map + is easy to change it (via, shaping, coordinates, ...)

- incorrectly working "Navigate to"

- easy recalculating of sections > similar to the web, is not implemented yet. The main reason is that the clickable area is on the device too small, so it will be necessary to make the space between points bigger. I'm not sure about it for now.

- graphical issues with system status and navigation bars should be improved

- and many other improvements. Beta version today a little later...

I'll not comment on everything, cause you will see it in tomorrow's version.

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@Andrew Heard
Arrow at chart panel > hmm, yes, it should be consistent. Adding to todo, thanks.

Problem with hidding of the panel > thanks for the video. Hope, that the updated version will solve this (we updated the Google library that takes care of it).

Archived topic > there is some automation, that closes topics after 12 months of in-activity. This helps to make it clear and forces users not to re-use older topics when asking something. I've un-archived the mentioned topic. Sad news, I know ...

@michaelbechtold
sync problem > and does it change anything? You may check Sync screen > toolbar > "Last update" to see if something changed.

@balloni55
maybe it just took very long? Give it a few minutes, please. Maybe some procentual progress should be useful here right? Hmm ..

@T-mo
search suggestion, thanks, forwarded to @marek

Quotemaybe it just took very long? Give it a few minutes, please.

you are right, it takes ~8 minutes :P

New version MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.4_1125_beta published!

@balloni55
hmm 8 minutes. Probably a high number of files in the geocaching directory? I'll look at the option to display at least some progress... (or better speed it up).

The latest Beta version does not show the estimated time when I use BRouter.

I like the route planner much more now, but that's probably because the new panel with the list can stay hidden now. I must admit I am not seeing its usefulness.

"Navigate to" starts with search, confusing.

Screenshot: Can't you put the "Choose location" options directly into the "..." menu? Opening that sub-window has always been a bit weird. So there the search should be placed.

Hello, I have just tried out the latest beta with the new route planner administration. Thanks for all that work! As is so often the case, you have to get used to the changes.

Some remarks: I myself hardly ever need the list with the via points/shaping points. It would therefore be better for me if it didn't open initially, but I could only open it (pull it up) when needed. At the moment it's the other way round: every time I want to edit a route with the route planner, the entire list opens, in which I may have 15 or 20 or even more shaping/via points. And every time I have to pull it down to make it disappear. Perhaps this behaviour could be offered as a selectable option in the settings.

The "collaps" function is very practical, but this is only included in the menu for the very last shaping point (the destination). So I have to scroll down to the very last entry in the list to be able to select "collaps". Perhaps this option could be offered in the menu for every single shaping point. Or in the icon bar on the top of the list.

Otherwise everything works quite well, a few translations (in German) are still missing in the menus, but it's a beta version

Just one more request: it would be nice if it would be possible to choose the position (size) of the menu when selecting the altitude profile so that only the altitude chart and not the two bar charts for route types and surface are visible. They take up a lot of space and I usually don't need them. (I can select the Graph Hopper, then they are not there, but it should also be possible with the LoRouter).

Quote from: Tapio on March 08, 2024, 16:39:18I like the route planner much more now

me too, thanks @menion

Two more issues:

Red circles on planned route: If I want to continue editing an already saved route (without any red circles) with the route planner (re-route), these appear at very many shaping points and without any recognisable meaning. Despite precise correction, they often persist.
See screenshot 1.

I click on a planned route and select the "Change route" option. The route planner opens. I do nothing and close it again. Now I click on another route and select the "Change route" option. The message "An unsaved route already exists..." appears.
See screenshot 2.

Screenshots 1 and 2:

Quote from: Graf Geo on March 08, 2024, 23:20:16It would therefore be better for me if it didn't open initially

@Graf Geo - for me in 4.21.1.4 there is just a single line at the bottom - same as pre beta

Quote from: Graf Geo on March 08, 2024, 23:20:16The "collaps" function is very practical

I've never seen this menu function, and dragging down the panel now works fine for me anyway

>Red circles on planned route
I've not seen these either

• track, create a copy. The overview-map gets not created even after choosing and activating the track, dedicated show-and-jump-to-map-button
• track with ~80 navigation waypoints. What's the easiest way to not show the bunch of this tracks waypoints on map, only the track itself ? The waypoint-popups are not needed everytime. The popups also seem to be active in overview-map when center-cross hits one.
• route planner: collapse/expand is only available in last points menu.
• route planner: when re-routing a track (and dismiss the last-active-temporary-route), the profile is the last one used, not the one used in the segments. idea: switch to profile of the last segment
• route planner: idea: add reverse-list-button
• i also rarely change the shaping/via-point-type, this dialog is not super important to me. The choice of location is of more value, recent/favorite/point/coordinates/adress/search. I suggest to add an touch-area or switch to the location-dialog
• route planner: point > location dialog > search: searching for eg. restaurant uses the current gps-location,not relative to the chosen point]

part 2

Thanks guys for the nice feedback!

General notes to Route planner

Expected requirement: do not force to use the bottom panel and keep it hidden. It is easy to hide it now, but I'll think about better support for this.

@Agus
missing estimates with BRouter > values very valid for you? This was changed because of this (https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/33998-absurd-travel-times). Do you have enabled "Include navigation points"?

@Tapio
Choose location > under this menu is quite a lot of options, so I would rather stick with the united system across the app. Anyway, what is unexpected on the "Navigate to" call?

@Graf Geo
"Collapse" in all menus > you are good you've found it at all :). We do not know where to place it for now. To all items? Eh, no, please. But a better place is needed for sure.

Red warning circles > may you please share this track with me over Share > Share URL link? Thanks

Warning message on unsaved route > from my point of view, this is correct behavior. You opened the planner to re-plan some track, but closed it without saving. So track-in-progress is still there.

Limit visible content in the "Altitude tab" > I'll consider the option. The best should be if the drag of the bottom panel will be to a user-defined height or at least two defined steps.

@T-mo
1. overview of the copy > hmm, this is already partially rewritten in new planned data manager, so let's hope  ;)

2. 80+ waypoints on the map > and do you need to display these navigation points at all? It may be globally disabled in the settings > tracks > Show navigation commands on the map

3. collapse/expand > above in @Graf Geo

4. used profile > currently it is united behavior - the app always uses the currently selected profile. This may be changed, but I need to think more about it. It then should change also adding new intermediate points, dragging the middle red point etc.

5. reverse list button > planned, but currently same problem as with collapse/expand. Where to place it?  ::)

6. content of point detail > individual preference. I believe the dialog may be done better, but I consider the current content as a good compromise for all.

7. interesting idea > I'll discuss it with Marek

Hello menion, thank you for your answer.

I will try to explain the problems I have noticed (see my posts from 09.03.2024) in more detail. Firstly, the red circles around the shaping points and the initial opening of the entire list with the shaping points.

As far as I know, the red circles are supposed to indicate that the shaping points are not exactly on a path or too close to an intersection.

I am planning a route (14.7 km) with the route planner. All 20 shaping points are exactly on a path and not close to an intersection or junction. No red circles are displayed either. Then I save the route. Then I open it again with the route planner. Now red circles are displayed around several shaping points. I zoom in sharply on the map and check the position of the shaping points and save the route again. Then I open it again with the route planner. Now red circles are shown around some other shaping points. (This only happens with the LoRouter, it doesn't happen with Graphhopper.

The screen video shows the following problems:

1: Track time (value under the clock icon) is displayed completely nonsensically as 1138:52:45
2: When I open the route with the route planner (re-route), the whole list opens with the 20 shaping points, which takes up a lot of space.
3. several shaping points are marked with red circles.
4. after checking/moving these shaping points and saving, I open the route again with the route planner. Even more shaping points are marked with red circles than before.

Can't upload screen video (52 MB are not allowed), please download here:
https://c.web.de/@337939766383220183/CXJWVTbQR5CnHLERz3gM0Q

Here the URL link of the track:
https://link.locusmap.app/t/roz5p5

Suggestion: Place "Collapse" only in the first entry in the list, then you don't have to scroll down. Or as an icon in the icon bar above the list (screenshot 2).


Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

And some more feedback on the new beta version:

I tried out the new navigation at the weekend. At first I was irritated because the previous "Navigate to" window no longer appeared and the search opened instead. But now I understand the new concept and can also see various advantages. It is much easier to modify the suggested navigation route. So many things are good!

However, it is a little more complicated or at least less intuitive for my most frequent use case: In most cases, I want to navigate to a specific position on the map. In other words, to where the red cursor cross is. The search page then opens. This is very impractical for me, as I don't need it. (Of course, I understand that other users probably want to carry out exactly this search). I now have to close the search page first. Then the route planner opens and I can mark the destination with the plus button (and set via e points if necessary.) I then click on the navigation icon and have to confirm the navigation. All in all, I have to make quite a lot of clicks before I can finally start.

It would be great for me to be able to configure quick navigation. There could be a separate icon for this, which I could then place in the right-hand panel, for example. The function should make it possible to navigate directly to the cursor position with the last navigation setting made, as an "one-click function".

Of course, this is a big wish and I don't expect it to be realised. But perhaps it can be set so that at least the search page does not open when it is not needed?

Here are the steps I currently need to take if I want to navigate quickly to the selected cursor position:

1) Click navigation icon.
2) Search page opens, I have to close it. Annoying.
3) Click the plus icon.
4) Click on the navigation icon (now above the map).
5) Click the navigation icon again in the navigation/routing menu.

As a workaround, I have currently activated the "tap and hold to display address" function, so I can navigate there directly without the search page appearing. But then an additional selection window appears where I have to select "navigate to". So also a lot of clicks... Besides, I don't really want to activate the "tap and hold...".

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Interesting considering it is an oddity. 
Since Locus does not support transport of shaping points in gpx files (grrr), so "silent via points" are used in the attached file (at least silent via for a Locus import). Are red circles visible in the reroute screen after an import ? In Locus classic (reroute) by Brouter extern I do not notice such.

^ I created the same route with the web planner (21 Viapoints). Then synchronised and displayed in the app. After calling up the route planner, one shaping point is marked with a red circle, although there is no reason for this. I moved it a little anyway and then saved it. The next time I open the route planner, another shaping point now has a red circle ... they seem to appear randomly ;) 

I imported your track (you created it with navigation commands, which I usually don't do). No red circles. After recalculation with LoRouter, almost every viapoint/shaping point has a red circle!

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 09:25:15@Tapio
Choose location > under this menu is quite a lot of options, so I would rather stick with the united system across the app. Anyway, what is unexpected on the "Navigate to" call?

The search is unexpected. I already know where I want to navigate to and don't need the search. Most of the time when I use "Navigate to" I want to nav from gps pos to screen center.

Wouldn't it be more logical if it came up with the screen as attached?

Agree, would be much better. So I could choose not only for addresses but also in my points, screen center etc.
"Contacts" also should be offered to choose.

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 09:25:15...
Warning message on unsaved route > from my point of view, this is correct behavior. You opened the planner to re-plan some track, but closed it without saving. So track-in-progress is still there.
...

But in this case (track closed without saving) the message is meaningless. Nothing happens when I click on "cancel", I don't get back to the "track in progress". I can only "continue".

Quote from: Tapio on March 11, 2024, 13:27:31

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 09:25:15@Tapio
Choose location > under this menu is quite a lot of options, so I would rather stick with the united system across the app. Anyway, what is unexpected on the "Navigate to" call?

The search is unexpected. I already know where I want to navigate to and don't need the search. Most of the time when I use "Navigate to" I want to nav from gps pos to screen center.

Wouldn't it be more logical if it came up with the screen as attached?

The route planner should appear first. Then I choose whether I want to set the start or the destination. If I then go to Select destination, Tapio's screen should appear. From there I have all the options, including search.
If I go to navigate from a POI. Then the procedure should be the same. Only that the destination is already selected and I only have to set the start.

Quote from: freischneider on March 11, 2024, 18:59:05

Quote from: Tapio on March 11, 2024, 13:27:31

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 09:25:15@Tapio
Choose location > under this menu is quite a lot of options, so I would rather stick with the united system across the app. Anyway, what is unexpected on the "Navigate to" call?

The search is unexpected. I already know where I want to navigate to and don't need the search. Most of the time when I use "Navigate to" I want to nav from gps pos to screen center.

Wouldn't it be more logical if it came up with the screen as attached?

The route planner should appear first. Then I choose whether I want to set the start or the destination. If I then go to Select destination, Tapio's screen should appear. From there I have all the options, including search.
If I go to navigate from a POI. Then the procedure should be the same. Only that the destination is already selected and I only have to set the start.

I started swearing yesterday when trying to route with the latest beta ... Your point is spot on, Tapio!

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 09:25:15@Graf Geo
"Collapse" in all menus > you are good you've found it at all

@Menion - as I commented previously I don't see this "Collapse" in any menu (not that I want it), but why is that? point #2 is the last point.
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I'll discuss most of the feedback with Marek tomorrow, but just a few cents ...

Purpose of

"Navigate to" - is to start navigation from the current location to the selected target quickly. So the start is always GPS and the target is the selected point. When using the "Navigate to" function, search is the most logical step from my point of view. If you want to use the screen center - long click on the screen center > bottom panel Navigate to!

"Route planner" - is to start a blank planner where you may start and save your trip from scratch. There is also a shortcut from the detail of point (or again long-click anywhere on the map) > Plan route to. This does not automatically turn on GPS and only sets a point as a target, nothing more.

Is the difference clear? In our team were votes for merging both start-methods into one, but I consider both as specific use-cases that should remain separated.

Hi Menion, I get the point re. the distinction between those two functions.
However, when using Route Planner, I would expect that selecting a point on the map (in particular a visible POI, regardless if private or from LoMaps DB) would offer me this choice: Navigate or Planner.
In case of Planner, the selected point can be set as target by default. If it should be the starting point instead, it's a split second to reverse the order. In general the new Planner is really cool :-)
Did I miss a point or feature when trying yesterday (and today) ?
TXs and cheers
Michael

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 22:23:29I'll discuss most of the feedback with Marek tomorrow, but just a few cents ...

Purpose of

"Navigate to" - is to start navigation from the current location to the selected target quickly. So the start is always GPS and the target is the selected point. When using the "Navigate to" function, search is the most logical step from my point of view. If you want to use the screen center - long click on the screen center > bottom panel Navigate to!

"Route planner" - is to start a blank planner where you may start and save your trip from scratch. There is also a shortcut from the detail of point (or again long-click anywhere on the map) > Plan route to. This does not automatically turn on GPS and only sets a point as a target, nothing more.

Is the difference clear? In our team were votes for merging both start-methods into one, but I consider both as specific use-cases that should remain separated.

The difference is clear to me. And the route planner is also ok. It should definitely stay.
I don't normally use it to navigate. So I don't care. It was just a suggestion as to how I would proceed.

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 22:23:29.. When using the "Navigate to" function, search is the most logical step from my point of view. If you want to use the screen center - long click on the screen center > bottom panel Navigate to!

I do not agree. In the search I can only search for addresses and LoPoints online. Can't search in my points, contacts, coordinates etc.

Long click on the screen center works only if "tap and hold to display address" ist activated. And it ist not so precise like the cursor position. And I don't like this function activated because it often triggers accidentally and is then annoying.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on March 11, 2024, 22:14:15@Menion - as I commented previously I don't see this "Collapse" in any menu (not that I want it), but why is that? point #2 is the last point.

"Collapse" appears in the menue of the last item if you have three or more items. This is logical, because two entries cannot be collapsed.

Sorry for the many posts, I found another issue - don't know if it ist a bug or a feature. :)

If I set a shaping point in the route planner far away from a path/road, e.g. in the centre of a lake or field, a straight line is always created (as in "draw manually" mode).

Previously, a message always appeared that the service cannot find this point.

But if this is what you want (feature), it would be ok.

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 22:23:29When using the "Navigate to" function, search is the most logical step from my point of view. If you want to use the screen center - long click on the screen center > bottom panel Navigate to!
...
Is the difference clear? In our team were votes for merging both start-methods into one, but I consider both as specific use-cases that should remain separated.

Difference clear.

I think we have different opinions because you're coming from a "navigate to an existing point" perspective.

I'm coming from the perspective where you click "navigate to" in the side bar. There is no point in this context. But there's the screen center as the most likely target. So coming from there, you could either a) instantly set screen center as target (I prefer) or b) ask via above screenshot.

So imo 3 use cases. Plain route planner, navigate in point screen, navigate in side panel.

BTW. "long click on the screen center"? Nothing happens and afaik there's the optional address display.

I think, Locus is an outdoor app and not a car navigation system. With the latter, searching for addresses would be the usual use case. With an outdoor app like Locus, navigating to a position on the map or a POI or a individual point is a common use case. I don't want to use Locus to navigate to an address in some city, but to a shelter, a crossroads or a small lake, for example...

BTW: can anyone confirm that the route recalculation is much slower in the beta? Routes with many shaping points (20 or more) feel like they take forever to recalculate, regardless of the router.
I have the latest release version 4.21.1 on my old Galaxy S7 and the same tracks are recalculated much faster.

Quote from: Tapio on March 12, 2024, 16:35:59I'm coming from the perspective where you click "navigate to" in the side bar. There is no point in this context. But there's the screen center as the most likely target. So coming from there, you could either a) instantly set screen center as target (I prefer) or b) ask via above screenshot.

I understood your both different perspectives and was thinking exactly the same, just plain search as entry is currently just an empty input without any context. I guess most people will assume a) as underlying logic if the choice would be search. Other services are mostly with b).
Question is: what might be users intention to use a search and with which UI-elements this intention can be narrowed and supported at most. Screen center might be a start. Though there is way more.

If I go to the 3-point menu at the first shaping point. Then "Add Start Location" appears, which is ok. And "Add stop" appears
At first I thought a point would be added at the end. But a point was added after that. So the name should be changed. "Add after"
At the last shaping point there is "Add destination" here there could be an additional option: "Add before"
For the other shaping points in between then "add before" and "add after"

@freischneider:
For me "add stop" is understandable enough, but for my sake "add after" would be even clearer.
Two options "add after" and "add before" would unnecessarily bloat the 3-point menus.

@Menion and all:
I would still find it helpful if the item in the list could somehow be linked to the point on the map. Or highlight it visually. This helps with a route with many shaping/via points. At the moment I can only see the number in the symbols and have to search for it in the list or on the map. This is a bit annoying on a longer route with many shaping/via points.

In the list, "show in map" could be added in the 3-point menu. On the map when I click on the shaping/via point in the menu add "show in list". See screenshots 1 and 2.

Another thing: In rare cases, an orange error message appears when I move a shaping point in the route on the map (to a normal route/road). The router then calculates for a long time (approx. 10 seconds) and then the message appears. (LoRouter offline)

I have found a bug in Shaping Change point to intermediate destination / turn-off hint.
If I plan a route where there are partially no paths. Then I use a segment manually in between. But at this point no turn-off hint is generated. Therefore I have changed this shaping point to an intermediate destination and renamed the name turn right. Then it is announced during navigation.
This time I didn't use intermediate destination but change to turn-off hint (last symbol with arrow).
Then the shaping point was deleted completely and the route was recalculated without the next segment.
I would have expected the shaping point to be converted into a turn-off hint but still be used as a shaping point in the background during routing.

It would be even better if Locus Map automatically generated a turn-off hint at the beginning and end of a manual segment. This would be based on the angle change of the track. Only for a manual segment, of course. All other segments are done by the router.

Quote from: Menion on March 11, 2024, 09:25:15@Agus
missing estimates with BRouter > values very valid for you? This was changed because of this (https://help.locusmap.eu/topic/33998-absurd-travel-times). Do you have enabled "Include navigation points"?

Sorry for not responding sooner. For me they are valid but I think GraphHopper's estimated times are more correct than LoRouter . The navigation points are included.

General notes
There are more modifications, mainly to keep the bottom panel hidden when re-routing or restoring the previous plan. "Inverse route" added into menu + bunch of other various improvements. Thanks a lot for your opinions!

Beta version MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.5 RC_1125_beta published!

@Agus
thanks for pointing to the missing times when using BRouter. The issue was that BRouter used the old system over GPX files. I've changed it to use an identical system to the internal LoRouter. Even way types & surfaces are visible now  ;)

@Graf Geo
Problematic red warning circles > firstly, thanks for sharing the track, it helped. I've made some changes to prevent this issue. Anyway, I'm curious if you did anything special when you planned this track. Because it has on almost every segment (between two shaping points) duplicate points at the start and at the end, that caused this issue. Can't imagine how this happened. You wrote you've used an online Route planner right?

Missing error messages > thanks a lot. It was not an intent. Fixed.

Error 10103 > this is weird because it means a problem with the internet connection. This should not happen here. I've not seen this before, so hard to help here. Are you sure you used offline! LoRouter? Even in the case of online, this does not make sense...

@freischneider
sorry, but your description is too complicated for me. Should be possible to record a short video with this issue? And agree, some generated instructions between manual segments, hmm should be doable.

Quote from: Menion on March 14, 2024, 14:39:30General notes
There are more modifications, mainly to keep the bottom panel hidden when re-routing or restoring the previous plan. "Inverse route" added into menu + bunch of other various improvements. Thanks a lot for your opinions!

Beta version MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.5 RC_1125_beta published!

@Agus
thanks for pointing to the missing times when using BRouter. The issue was that BRouter used the old system over GPX files. I've changed it to use an identical system to the internal LoRouter. Even way types & surfaces are visible now  ;)

Hello Menion. Thanks for all the news.

What parameters does LoRouter use in the estimated time? I am referring to the LoHiking profile.

Why are the estimated times different?
(See screenshots)

Quote from: Menion on March 14, 2024, 14:39:30Beta version MapGooglePlay_4.21.1.5 RC_1125_beta published!

Resolving of address for every point in route planner, resolve route direction, both beautiful.

Route created with 4 shaping points.
Shaping 2 has no turn-off indication (2-3 manual segment)
Change shaping 2 to turn instruction.
After the change, the manual segment is automatically deleted and the route is created completely differently.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wS2pByLRkjxS2iuPYl5KiGSy2xyUhw2b/view?usp=sharing

4.21.1.5 - the EXPAND/ COLLAPSE seems a nice compromise @menion. Having just 1st & last point in the collapsed list is a good idea.

The left button toggles area/ distance, the right button toggles itinerary/ elevation; can I suggest tapping the 2nd left estimated-time button displays the same as "Estimated travel time" from the Route menu? And maybe in future the "Type" drop down list just has own custom list instead of types mostly of no use ;-)
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Could even the remaining two icons become buttons too, and link to display of the full track elevation like in track details? Then viewing slope would finally become possible! Just a dream.

@Agus
Estimated time > this is complicated. This method was created in times when BRouter time estimates were unreliable. So this is completely independent of the router and considers only a distance and elevation of the route to compute estimates. It also inserts breaks to snack, launch etc. For a long time, I've been thinking about two options:
- completely remove this method, because LoRouter & BRouter times are good enough
- keep it and improve it to support full customization. I know this will probably be more wanted here on the forum, but it is a lot of work and as I wrote, time estimates are now much better than years before.

@Andrew Heard
Expand/collapse > inspired by the web planner + improvements by @marek to display first/last/+all via-points.

Top panel time > click to display "Estimated times" > heh, check my answer to @Agus ... I'm still not sure about it. To avoid confusion, this needs some improvement.

+ I've added "show chart" button, same as in track detail, to the UI.

Quote from: Menion on March 15, 2024, 13:14:51@Agus
Estimated time > this is complicated. This method was created in times when BRouter time estimates were unreliable. So this is completely independent of the router and considers only a distance and elevation of the route to compute estimates. It also inserts breaks to snack, launch etc. For a long time, I've been thinking about two options:
- completely remove this method, because LoRouter & BRouter times are good enough
- keep it and improve it to support full customization. I know this will probably be more wanted here on the forum, but it is a lot of work and as I wrote, time estimates are now much better than years before.

Thank you for your response.
It is confusing to see two different estimated times on the same route.
Keeping it and improving it is a good idea. I use this website in case it helps.

https://traildweller.com/hiking-time-calculator/

Thanks a lot for last beta version 4.21.1.5
Lot of improvements!

"Navigate to" menue:

"collapse" position now is better, maybe not optimal but hard to find a perfect place.

Still funny values in ETA after recalculating a planned route. This happens always. I fear this never will be fixed.

I'll keep on testing.

jippy, inverse route direction - ideal for routing back based on the existing track and re-routing

• route planner: hitting the 3-dot-menu moves all controls up, like a white or invisible bar would appear, see screenshots. Seem nothing related with android-standard-controls/navigation-bar (currently don't know the right term) as those correctly appear as overlay
• route planner: selecting shaping point, then opening location-coordinates or location-menu and then cancel or back without any changes still seem to trigger a recalculation-process, green popup 'Process successful'

@T-mo:
Can't confirm first issue (hitting the 3-dot-menu moves all controls up). On my device the size of the window remains the same.

Second issue: confirmed, same behavior on my device.

Incomprehensible display of entries in route list. I create a route with the route planner. All shaping points show the correct address of the location. Great, I like that! (Screenshot 1)

But when I modify the route, it gets weird:

I drag a shaping point to a different position. It keeps the address of the original position. (I would expect the address to be updated.)

I add a via-point (add via-point after) and select "screen centre" under "select location". The via point appears in the list with the coordinate and not the address. This remains the same when I toggle it to a shaping point.

I then drag a small red dot between two shaping points, which creates a new shaping point. This is only named "shaping point" in the list.

By editing the route, I get a funny mixed list with shaping points with the correct address, shaping points with the wrong address, shaping/via points with coordinates and shaping points called "shaping point". This is confusing.
(Screenshot 2)

BTW: "collapsed" leaves via points always visible, only shaping points are hidden. That makes sense. 👍
(Screenshot 3)

And then I would like to take another look at the nonsensical times given for the estimated track time in the route planner. I'm sorry if I'm being annoying.

I'm planning a route. The routing engine is LoRouter. The route time is displayed (halfway) reasonably, in flat regions approx. 5 km/h is assumed.
So for a 10 km route approx. 2:00:00 hs. I save the route.
See screenshot 1.

Then I open the route again and recalculate it with the route planner. After saving (overwriting), a nonsensical 5:57:26 is now displayed.

I then recalculate the route in the route planner for the 3rd time. At first, the sensible value is displayed again (1:59:09). After saving, an even more absurd value is now displayed (13:54:00). Screenshot 2.

I can repeat this as often as I like, each time the value increases drastically after saving.

It doesn't matter whether I create/calculate the route with or without navigation instructions, these fantasy values are always generated.

So the problem seems to be with saving and not with calculating.

By the way: Graphhopper does not generate a route time. The field remains empty (screenshot 3). That seems to make more sense to me. Better no value than a nonsensical value.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240316/2c9d035c98b17e96fd47fb6c2364a6af.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240316/260b493f46fcaa9cb70b963e78393b82.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240316/62fae7a8909b198676fc399fc144908f.jpg)

Address on each shaping point in route planner: needs to be refreshed on shaping point move.

Select location" screen
here it could be helpful to add the "Select from screen" item.

Quote from: Menion on March 14, 2024, 14:39:30@Graf Geo
Problematic red warning circles > firstly, thanks for sharing the track, it helped. I've made some changes to prevent this issue. Anyway, I'm curious if you did anything special when you planned this track. Because it has on almost every segment (between two shaping points) duplicate points at the start and at the end, that caused this issue. Can't imagine how this happened. You wrote you've used an online Route planner right?

No, route was planned in the app's route planner with LoRouter offline. But I see these duplicated start/end points when I zoom in to the red circle. I created a simple test route with a few shaping points. See screenshot. In the shared track it's shaping point 5:

https://link.locusmap.app/t/z5sqv3

I did nothing special with this route. I only set 6 clicks = shaping points and saved. Then re-open it in route planner red circle appears on point no. 5.

Quote from: freischneider on March 16, 2024, 13:26:53Select location" screen here it could be helpful to add the "Select from screen" item.

@freischneider you just beat me to the same suggestion - thanks.

@T-mo
1. I also do not see any issue with the popup menu. I'll be watching it, thanks, but seems not to be a critical problem.
2. this is a problem, thanks, fixed!

@Graf Geo
Problem with not-refreshing address > ah, a side effect of performance optimization. Thanks, fixed!

Missing address for via-points > fixed, hopefully.

Incorrect times when saving > "Overwrite" was the key! Thanks, fixed

Red warning on fifth shaping point > hmm, hopefully also fixed.

@freischneider & @Andrew Heard
Missing "Select from screen" > why do you miss this option? You do it directly in Route planner - picking from the map screen.

Quote from: Menion on March 18, 2024, 09:40:09@freischneider & @Andrew Heard
 ,,Vom Bildschirm auswählen" fehlt > warum vermissen Sie diese Option? Sie können dies direkt im Routenplaner tun, indem Sie auf dem Kartenbildschirm auswählen.

I know I don't need the function. But I think all the ways to select a location should be offered on this screen.
It's not easy for a beginner.
He chooses "via Point after // then on "select stop" // then he is on the screen.
It would be helpful to have this option there.

PS:
the name "select stop" is still an old name. Now "select via Point after" ?

@Menion: Great that some of my mentioned problems could be fixed!  :)

Quote from: freischneider on March 18, 2024, 12:34:26PS:
the name "select stop" is still an old name. Now "select via Point after" ?

You mean the entry in the list? There again "select via Point after" would be nonsensical. Perhaps "select location" or "select position" would be better.

The new final version has been published.
Topic: https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=8809.0

I do not want to delay release for another week, so let's use a final version. Of course, work on the planner is not yet finished and feedback from the real-world testing is very welcome. Thanks to all. Your help had a major impact on the current solution!

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I have to say I do not fully agree with adding a "Pick on the map" option to selection dialog. It should be clear (also thanks to the hint), that user may tap directly on the map.