I want to present you my theme "Tapiola".
You can download it here (https://github.com/TapioOfTapiola/oam_theme_tapiola/releases/latest).
Tapiola is 100% tested with regional Mapsforge v5 maps (Germany->Nordrhein-Westfalen) from Openandromaps.org (https://www.openandromaps.org/en/downloads/countrys-and-regions). Bigger maps (e.g., whole Germany) have a few less details included on certain zoom levels, but you probably won't notice it.
It also works with Lomaps V4+, but there are definitely issues.
The theme is a fork of the awesome Settler theme (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=8393.0) from Andrey, but slowly and steadily I made many changes and moved away from it.
My main ideas/goals were:
- Change colors to my preference
- City/town names not dependend on priorities at all. They will show up if zoom level allows it. Some names may overlap - but IMO it is important. A good overview is crucial for me. This way a was able to use smaller overview maps from OAM (https://www.openandromaps.org/en/downloads/general-maps).
- City names following priorities were under risk of not being displayed. It happened that they were not displayed because a river had preference.
- Good visibility of hiking and cycling networks. Reasonable display of their names (like "X1"). Hiking color on one side of road, cycling on other, so both visible usually.
- Some themes show lines at some zoom levels due to few pixels of overlapping, I got rid of that.
- There's also some coding of track quality via display of lines on paths (OSM has a grade1-grade5 system) - more lines=less quality. 0 to 2 lines. Short+long line=Undefined. Zoom more in to see them.
- I reworked the display of road names, especially motorways, primary and secondary roads.
- In the themes options, I have made some changes compared to the Settler heritage. I combined some options.
- Less focus on hilltops compared with Settler.
- Benches, picnic tables, shelters, viewpoints have high prio and are drawn later, on top of other stuff - I'm a hiker.
- Parking has some over-the-top exaggeration. Many parkings are displayed. May change that.
- After all, you can turn on/off most things in theme options.
- I included OSMC hiking node icons (shameless copy/paste from John, his awesome Voluntary Theme (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=2915.0)) but I never really liked those. May remove them at some point.
Sorry, time is an issue, no pdf/html legend or fancy theme icon yet.
Here's a few notes as for the legend:
- Motorway: blue, Trunk: blue-greenish
- Primary road darker orange, secondary/tertiary getting lighter.
- White roads are asphalt, light brown more what you find in forests, less quality the more lines are on it (0-2 lines).
- Hiking routes are red, less important ones are interrupted lines. Cycling=blue, MTB=purple.
Download:
https://github.com/TapioOfTapiola/oam_theme_tapiola/releases/latest
Installation:
1. Download the zip file
2. Copy (don't unpack!) it into Android/[data|media]/menion.android.locus/MapsVector/_themes/
Just walk through the different zoom levels and see if it can help you. Have fun!
A few screenshots attached:
1. An overview map, I balanced the theme starting from Zoom level 8.
2. Notice the display of suburbs (can be turned off) for best overview but still no distraction
3. Display of hiking (red) and cycling (blueish) networks.
Very clear theme ... like it and will check it on next trip. 😎👍
Thanks Tapio, I will test.
Andrey's Settler theme is really awesome, theme is great and visual pleasuring, xml is very clean and a good starting point.
1st try: NRW West-MSland, maybe some towns should already appear at ZL 11, currently start to appear at 12.
Hi Tapio. Would it be possible to create a Quick install like Andrew at Voluntary? When I give the Tapiola.zip to the Android/Media folder ... Mapsvector/_Themes, my locus doesn't see him.
Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on June 27, 2023, 11:39:08Hi Tapio. Would it be possible to create a Quick install like Andrew at Voluntary? When I give the Tapiola.zip to the Android/Media folder ... Mapsvector/_Themes, my locus doesn't see him.
Tapio's zip alone works like a charm.
Download, click (in a file manager), select Locus as handler, wait some seconds until Locus has created its internal extract, enjoy!
Quote from: T-mo on June 26, 2023, 23:39:181st try: NRW West-MSland, maybe some towns should already appear at ZL 11, currently start to appear at 12.
Münsterland? Yes, not too many villages there and they are very distinct. Problem is with areas which have numerous villages, e.g. see Gummersbach.
Will add to ZL 11, but with priorities, so in crowded areas not all village names show up on that ZL. I don't like priorities with town/village etc. names too much, because I really want to see "all" settlements, if possible. Easily be able to find a settlement in overview maps is a goal.
Re: @Josef I guess this requires some kind of special URL? Cannot do this because I use Github. But the zip should work with LM4, if placed correctly.
Quote from: michaelbechtold on June 27, 2023, 14:39:07Download, click (in a file manager), select Locus as handler, wait some seconds until Locus has created its internal extract, enjoy!
Does not work. Locus will not extract it. If I extract it by myself, it will not be recognized. Tested on 3 devices.
@Tom:
- where does the download go to?
- when you click, you can chose Locus, but Locus does nothing?
- where does your Locus mapsVector folder (setting) reside?
Quote from: ThomasD. on June 27, 2023, 21:25:30Quote from: michaelbechtold on June 27, 2023, 14:39:07Download, click (in a file manager), select Locus as handler, wait some seconds until Locus has created its internal extract, enjoy!
Does not work. Locus will not extract it. If I extract it by myself, it will not be recognized. Tested on 3 devices.
Do you use LM4? Here if I use "open with... LM4" on the zip file as recommended by Michael, LM4 detects it as a theme and subsequently copies the zip to the right place.
Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on June 27, 2023, 11:39:08Hi Tapio. Would it be possible to create a Quick install like Andrew at Voluntary? When I give the Tapiola.zip to the Android/Media folder ... Mapsvector/_Themes, my locus doesn't see him.
works fine for me, just copy the ZIP file to ...Mapsvector/_Themes
Quote from: michaelbechtold on June 27, 2023, 22:36:38- where does the download go to?
standard android download directory on internal SD card
Quote from: michaelbechtold on June 27, 2023, 22:36:38- when you click, you can chose Locus, but Locus does nothing?
Locus comes with the import diaolog posted by tapio, claims "succesfull", but theme is not shown and can´t be selected. Theme stays unzipped in theme directory. Manual unzipping gives same result - theme not installed.
Quote from: michaelbechtold on June 27, 2023, 22:36:38- where does your Locus mapsVector folder (setting) reside?
Private directory under Android 11.
Looks valid.
Locus offers themes based on the type of map you have selected as active map.
These new themes like Tapio's all work with MapsForge 4+
If you should still have old LoMaps or VERY old OAM, then this new theme is not offered.
Besides above I currently have no other idea re. root cause.
v1.1.9
- Villages display on lower zoom, ZL11
- Minor MTB track changes
Guys, I am interested in your opinion on a change, the path (road!) at 51.3372,7.953
I was expecting some kind of dirt road, like those (often) brown-white foot paths. Didn't check properly before I was there. OK, OAM shows me it's surface:asphalt and smoothness excellent. Reality: See attachment. A very good road. Cars not allowed.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/323041161#map=15/51.3273/7.9464
I decided to display as a white road (because of surface:paved|asphalt) - it's in attached Tapiola.
Appropriate?
Please compare with other themes.
@tapio - I'm just curious - why does www.openstreetmap.org display this sealed road as a dashed blue line? Because highway=path? Your decision seems right.
Yes I think paths are rendered as dashed all around, here it felt misleading for me.
And it takes the bicycle designation into account,hence blue.
v1.2.0
- Minor changes
- Paths (usually dashed lines) with asphalt/paved/concrete drawn like streets. With blue lines.
v1.2.1
- Unified some path colors and sizes
- Better visibility of private/restricted ways (red instead of grey lines)
- Optional display of access restrictions
- Fix: paths/footways which weren't drawn
Thank you. I had one nice hike with it already. Easy on the eyes. Shortly I will use it in the hopefully sunny Alps.
In the startpost you write: LM4 required but here with classic 3.68.2 it works great too. Installation is easy too. Download the zip file, tap on it and Classic opens with the usual questions and installs it.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn moto g82 5G met Tapatalk
Quote from: Henk van der Spek on July 07, 2023, 20:33:27In the startpost you write: LM4 required but here with classic 3.68.2 it works great too.
Ah... is LM3 able to use Mapsforge V4+ maps? Do you use OAM maps?
Quote from: Tapio on July 07, 2023, 20:58:05Quote from: Henk van der Spek on July 07, 2023, 20:33:27In the startpost you write: LM4 required but here with classic 3.68.2 it works great too.
Ah... is LM3 able to use Mapsforge V4+ maps? Do you use OAM maps?
Sorry, Dont't know. I only use the latest OAM maps (V5).
Quote from: Henk van der Spek on July 08, 2023, 08:26:18Quote from: Tapio on July 07, 2023, 20:58:05Quote from: Henk van der Spek on July 07, 2023, 20:33:27In the startpost you write: LM4 required but here with classic 3.68.2 it works great too.
Ah... is LM3 able to use Mapsforge V4+ maps? Do you use OAM maps?
Sorry, Dont't know. I only use the latest OAM maps (V5).
Both LM3 and LM4 can use the latest OAM maps. Obviously you get a better result with a theme designed for OAM.
Both LM3 and LM4 can display the latest Lomaps, using the same renderer and themes as for OAM maps, though once again you get best results with a theme designed for Lomaps or for both OAM maps and Lomaps.
Both LM3 and LM4 can display older Lomaps with Locus's own renderer. Themes have to be designed for older Lomaps or they won't show on the theme selector.
I reverted a track size change which does not make 100% sense. Tracks, grade1-grade5, are displayed wider than small roads. You may notice it if they connect.
It's much needed IMO, because of the tracks visibility in forests. It's much better there.
Lots of fiddling with the tiny things 😊
v1.2.2
- Unification of hiking + cycling network styles. Like hiking, cycling networks are now split into more and less important ones. Dashed lines on the less important networks.
v1.2.3
- Allow to toggle road names
- Windmill ZL, fix
- Parking area not displayed, fix
All power to the user 😀 You can have your map look like in the screenshot, if you need that (no city- and road names).
v1.2.4
- Fixed non-round street endings
- Improved overlapping track/byway which looked like being bridges
- Code/Comment cleanup
- Waterways drain/ditch/stream lines=cubic
- Private parking icon red-ish
Changed icon can only be seen after Locus cache delete (Locus settings).
Quote from: Tapio on July 19, 2023, 14:22:15v1.2.4
- Fixed non-round street endings
- Improved overlapping track/byway which looked like being bridges
- Code/Comment cleanup
- Waterways drain/ditch/stream lines=cubic
- Private parking icon red-ish
Changed icon can only be seen after Locus cache delete (Locus settings).
Hello.
Congratulations on your theme.
Do you plan to add "cubic" to the rivers as you did with the streams?
Best regards
IMG_20230720_064942.jpg
Quote from: AgusOrux on July 20, 2023, 06:52:49Do you plan to add "cubic" to the rivers as you did with the streams?
Tendency is: No. But I am not sure about the consequences. I think there may be footways/cycleways close to rivers, which then aren't aligned perfectly, or worse, get hidden below the river.
EDIT: A clear no. Author of Voluntary theme will undo such changes for rivers. Non-connected parts may happen, or bridges at the wrong place.
Quote from: Tapio on July 20, 2023, 14:54:29Quote from: AgusOrux on July 20, 2023, 06:52:49Do you plan to add "cubic" to the rivers as you did with the streams?
Tendency is: No. But I am not sure about the consequences. I think there may be footways/cycleways close to rivers, which then aren't aligned perfectly, or worse, get hidden below the river.
EDIT: A clear no. Author of Voluntary theme will undo such changes for rivers. Non-connected parts may happen, or bridges at the wrong place.
You are right. I discovered an error in the Voluntary theme
IMG_20230720_155248.jpg
Hi Tapio,
First, I would thank you for this theme, which I use now quite often. It is very clear.
Second, I have a question, surely off topic, as same behaviour is happening with all theme. Don't hesitate to tell me and I will open a new topic ;)
I discovered a place where there is a fountain (in real), and despite the search I can do in Locus, enabling everything in themes, or search in points (online or offline) nothing is found nor displayed on map. But information is there in OSM (I use Openandromap for France).
It is this fountain :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/300121927
I am attaching screenshots from OSM (in Vespucci app), and Locus.
Screenshot_20230724_133042_Vespucci.jpg
Screenshot_20230724_133037_Locus Map.jpg
Thanks in advance.
Download latest xml https://github.com/tortuosit/oam_theme_tapiola/blob/main/Tapiola.xml and replace the one in the zip. Quick and dirty fix. Idk why at some point it doubles the icon.
Turn "Spring, water" on in theme options.
Interesting. It's because themes include k="man_made" v="water_well". But not what you noticed: k="amenity" v="watering_place".
Hi Tapio .
Thanks for adding "watering place" to the theme. I only know of one other theme that shows it.
One suggestion, it is shown from zoom level 17, could it be shown from a lower zoom level?
Quote from: AgusOrux on July 24, 2023, 15:56:59could it be shown from a lower zoom level?
Redownload. In which Theme did you see it?
Quote from: Tapio on July 24, 2023, 16:32:03Quote from: AgusOrux on July 24, 2023, 15:56:59could it be shown from a lower zoom level?
Redownload. In which Theme did you see it?
OpenMaps (Magellan)👇
https://github.com/IgorMagellan/OpenMaps/releases/tag/v-21-11-27
Super, thanks.
Yes, double icon at higher zoom level, but only one if zoomed in enough.
v1.2.5
- No red access restriction markers if foot OR bicycle=yes.
- Added support for k="amenity" v="watering_place"
- Private parking icons appear a bit later
Quote from: Tapio on July 28, 2023, 14:39:47v1.2.5
- No red access restriction markers if foot OR bicycle=yes.
- Added support for k="amenity" v="watering_place"
- Private parking icons appear a bit later
Hello.
The icon you use for amenity: watering_place is the same as amenity:fountain and can be confusing because they are two different types.
Quote from: AgusOrux on July 28, 2023, 15:58:17The icon you use for amenity: watering_place is the same as amenity:fountain and can be confusing because they are two different types.
Was thinking about it. I'm wondering if watering_place is always an area, maybe no icon needed then.
Quote from: Tapio on July 28, 2023, 19:09:49Quote from: AgusOrux on July 28, 2023, 15:58:17The icon you use for amenity: watering_place is the same as amenity:fountain and can be confusing because they are two different types.
Was thinking about it. I'm wondering if watering_place is always an area, maybe no icon needed then.
Usually a POI, these are animal drinking troughs.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dwatering_place
An example of how amenity:watering_place is displayed in Magellan OpenMaps themeIMG_20230728_194420.jpg
I've created another icon for watering_place.
I allowed turning off roads and railways . So we can exclusively display whatever we wish. Why? Analysis purposes maybe. Or because we can! See screenshot with only railway and only hiking/cycling routes.
Changes are uploaded, but not in the release yet.
v1.2.6
- Renamed "Power lines" category to "Electricity". Included wind turbines.
- Roads and railways can be turned off.
- New icon for watering_place (Requires delete cache in Locus settings).
I think Wind Turbines are currently only in Lomaps, didn't check yet, if maybe they're in OAM under a different name.
If anyone has experience with emoji representation in text files, I'm all ears. Quickedit+ now slaughtered it after I included them. It picked Windows-1252 encoding and now see screenshots...
You have to change encoding to utf8 before saving. It's under the triple dot menu on the top right.
I think your situation is probably recoverable - I had a similar problem with a custom map source file in Locus.
Quote from: john_percy on July 30, 2023, 17:57:49You have to change encoding to utf8 before saving. It's under the triple dot menu on the top right.
I think your situation is probably recoverable
Edit2: Set "default encoding" to utf8 in settings, instead of auto detect. Works.
I've added emojis to the latest release.
v1.2.7
- Menu reorganisation
- POI are included in basic profile
- Hide (place:locality) if suburbs are hidden
- Color correction: primary_link, tertiary roads.
- Access restriction indicators on roads were missing, fixed.
Hi Tapio. I really like your theme.
Could it be included to be visible man_made:survey_point?
Quote from: AgusOrux on August 17, 2023, 16:57:28Hi Tapio. I really like your theme.
Could it be included to be visible man_made:survey_point?
IMG_20230817_170610.jpg
Will check it. Needs to be part of OAM, needs an svg icon (and me on PC) etc.
Igor Magellan's TOTM theme shows them in OAM with an icon similar to a "Peak".
v1.2.8
- Fading out building color when zooming out, helps for more distinct hike/cycle networks
- Hiking nodes only shown together with hiking network
- Option "Draw house numbers earlier"
- Added man_made:survey_point
- Road network off - only hide main roads
- Optimizations
House numbers earlier ("sooner"?): ZL16 onwards. See screenshot. You typically want to turn it off.
v1.2.9
- Fixed hiking relations priority
- Fine tuning of building colors
- Corrections to layouts
- Toggle forest/gras/crops patterns, allowing for a cleaner look
- Added "misc" category
- Small fixes
So there's three layouts in the theme I didn't mention before due to problems.
"Basic features" shows almost all POI icons and lets you control some reasonable rest.
"Basic nopoi" doesn't display any POI icons. Useful, if e. g. you only want to use LoPoi.
"All features" - Feature overload.
The forest/gras/crops is just one piece of the puzzle, when it comes to keep the theme free from obstructions, e. g. when you display and compare multiple tracks.
v1.3.0
E.g., removed the fading of schools/hospital which now always appear blue (if option for special building types is turned on).
Not much progress because I'm quite fine with the theme rn. I should add a fancy icon and a legend though... 🥴
close to perfection ;-)
v1.3.1
- Size increase of oneway arrows
- Bugfix military area
- Military area olive green overlay and setting
Quote from: Andrew Heard on October 11, 2023, 08:02:54One suggestion is to distinguish the road/ track surface eg. between sealed & unsealed.
Hi Andrew, let's please discuss this here. OK, I looked at your test position at -42.51336, 147.64366 in Tasmania.
There I don't see the need to check for road surfaces...? At least for Germany roads k=highway v=primary/secondary/tertiary (in my theme from yellow to dark orange) already imply they will be an asphalt road. Do you think an extra layer, like a dashed line is useful and necessary?
Smaller roads/paths may be in need of your idea. If you have an example position, let me know.
Ok, experiments... the problem is consistency. 51.324,7.98681 in Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.
Screenshot has mostly Highway:Residential, but road surface is only defined for some of them... (asphalt, the ones with blue lines).
Attached xml line 1929+
Does it make sense stiill? Please test in your area. I can add another option "Sealed road indicators" and default it to off.
And if so, do you really think those indicators should be on higher level roads, (highway:primary etc)?
I think it shouldn't be used in residential areas. I.e. just used for v="track|byway|road|path|unclassified"
Quote from: Tapio on October 15, 2023, 11:05:30looked at your test position at -42.51336, 147.64366 in Tasmania.
There I don't see the need to check for road surfaces...?
@tapio - it's difficult for me to reply adequately while away cycling in Cyprus sorry. But at the position you mention it is absolutely the case that the road surface changes from sealed to unsealed but most themes don't show any different, or only when zoomed in very close. If planning a 50km route for example it's often not convenient to zoom in & check every section of the route to confirm the laden cycle tourist won't be instructed onto some poor surface.
If the OSM editor has not bothered to define the surface then the theme can't tell. And if the surface is unsealed then...
3 weeks before I can provide further info or discuss/ check issues.
Quote from: Andrew Heard on October 15, 2023, 13:07:213 weeks before I can provide further info or discuss/ check issues.
OK... and now I noticed, in your example the logic is vice versa, you are marking the unsealed road.
I've added an option. Not in the release yet.
https://github.com/TapioOfTapiola/oam_theme_tapiola/blob/main/Tapiola.xml
working nicely!!Screenshot_2023-10-15-20-15-17.jpeg
Tapio is the god of forest in finnish mythology ;-)
Yes, I'm just not 100% fine with the dashed lines. May change. I wish with mapsforge I could paint e.g. zigzag lines.
Yes, re:"Tapio", Forest is where I feel at home... and Tapiola/Sibelius is one of my most favourite pieces of music.
v1.3.2
- Track grade codes now as a setting
- Indicators for unpaved roads (new setting)
Track grades, see screenshot. OSM grades go from 1 to 5. 1=no marker, 2-3=one marker, 4=two markers, 5=three markers.
@tapio - theme settings:
1) colored schools? not just "schools"?
2) gras --> grass
Thx - Educational and hospital buildings get a distinct color here, blue. A rather unnecessary option. Just "Schools" sounds like the building is not displayed if unchecked.
Would it be posible to show the SAC Scale colors for tracks like the Elevate theme does it?
Hi Tapio.
I noticed that in your theme "man_made: watermill" shows the icons when tagged accompanied by "building:yes" but you don't see the icons when edited as a "man_made:watermill" node.
Best regards
Guys, I'll look at it. Meanwhile...
v1.3.3
Parking was too much. I made some tuning, pushed it to later zoom levels and added an option which lets you display them asap. (OAM includes them from ZL15 or ZL16, depending on map).
@tapio on a recent cycle tour through Cyprus I notice your theme is not working properly at a high zoom level in the Cyprus republic capital of Nicosia when using Open Andro Map. You can observe the map with your theme has details within a triangle that are correct, then outside that triangle only POI are displayed. Quite strange. OS Map and LM City themes (also Voluntary although not attached) are all working correctly, so 95% sure it is theme related. I have not seen this with other map areas, and I mostly use your theme by default.
Tapio
tapio.jpg
OS map
osmap.jpg
LM4 City
LMcity.jpg
Quote from: AgusOrux on November 01, 2023, 21:29:33I noticed that in your theme "man_made: watermill" shows the icons when tagged accompanied by "building:yes" but you don't see the icons when edited as a "man_made:watermill" node.
Quote from: Saturo on November 01, 2023, 18:13:19Would it be posible to show the SAC Scale colors for tracks like the Elevate theme does it?
Quote from: Andrew Heard on November 24, 2023, 06:06:42I notice your theme is not working properly at a high zoom level
v1.3.4
- SAC Scale colors, german color style (T1: Blue, T2: Red/Blue, T3: Red, T4: Red/Black, T5+T6: Black)
- Fixed watermill and windmill. Size increase.
- Fixed archaeological sites area overlay
- Indicating "rough_paved" roads (unhewn_cobblestone,cobblestone,stone,grass_paver,cobblestone:flattened,sett)
tapio - the download page still only has 1.3.3?
Quote from: Andrew Heard on November 26, 2023, 01:49:17tapio - the download page still only has 1.3.3?
Thx, please retry. After I clicked "publish" nothing happened, now I see it was just saved as a draft.
Most recent xml has SAC Scale captions and traffic lights ("public transport, traffic" category).
thanks @tapio - all good now although version comment still 1.3.3 in the XML - was that intended?20231128-083201-WinMerge - [34.xml - 33.xml].jpg
No, I love to forget to change version inside the xml. You can use https://github.com/TapioOfTapiola/oam_theme_tapiola/blob/main/Tapiola.xml
- Has some few changes.
QuoteParking was too much. I made some tuning, pushed it to later zoom levels and added an option which lets you display them asap. (OAM includes them from ZL15 or ZL16, depending on map).
Just saw this nice feature ... THX.
I really like it. 8)
Screenshot_20231128_220124_Locus Map.jpg
@tapio - in comparing your & Karl Chicks (for example) latest themes, I notice an issue with yours with our local very long city bridge around https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-42.86549/147.33794, in which the cycle-and-foot-path on both sides of the bridge are not correctly rendered with your theme on the south side. It is correct on the north side - continuous blue. I can't see from the OSM editor why your theme stops the correct blue render and changes to a hollow render below:
tapio.jpg
Karls (with cycle emphasis on):
kc.jpg
I will look at it. What I instantly see is, Karl draws two lines, left and right from roads. I draw one - hiking relations are drawn on the other.
I think it's this: depending how mappers draw the ways, the relations sometimes interrupt and skip to the other side. So what we see may be a drawback from using an offset to only one side of the way. Sigh. If I draw it later it would appear on top of the main road. EDIT: which it usually does and should to. I will find it. A priority issue maybe.
What do you think about the coloring of residential area town masses? Was all grey before. This way you can easily distinguish between residential areas (pink) and industrial (grey). Also note, I removed residential roads from ZL12.
Changed bridleways to ochre on transparent white.
Quote from: Tapio on December 02, 2023, 08:06:36I will look at it. What I instantly see is, Karl draws two lines, left and right from roads
@Tapio - no, it's more complex for this bridge. Those are two completely separate/ individually mapped cycleways/ footpaths on each side of the bridge. Yes OSM has the provision/ shortcut for showing footpaths alongside a road, but this bridge is not mapped in OSM like that.
the URL I used in a previous post wasn't very helpful, try
north side https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1136907812
south side https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/177421221
Quote from: Tapio on December 02, 2023, 13:24:23What do you think about the coloring of residential area town masses?
clever idea
Quote from: Andrew Heard on December 03, 2023, 03:31:09north side https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1136907812
south side https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/177421221
IDK how to get the position out of it. Easiest for me would be a decimal lat,lon tuple or a pluscode, thx. EDIT: OK, got the position now, my browser didn't refresh the map part..
Coloring of towns, I don't like that pink too much, I'll see.
Hi Tapio,
I am wondering how in your theme you get icons to appear in the stylemenu?
Attached is comparison of mine and all other themes vs your theme.
Would love to be able to use icons too...
UPDATE, I figured it out, you're using unicodes. So limited to what is built in...
Just use Emojis. xml has to be saved as utf-8.
Those icons are displayed correctly in my Windows text editor (Sublime Text) and even good ol' Notepad! You could just do a copy/paste between XML files. Must be unicode characters, so need to determine the alt code, or as @tapio says...
v1.3.6 (accidentally skipped 1.3.5 😂)
- Fine tuning to city/suburb name sizes
- Slight pink coloring for residential area town masses
- No more residential roads in zoom level 12
- Some fixes to width of mtb routes
- Several small fixes
@AndrewHeard haven't yet looked to that cycle relations issue, but will do.
v1.3.7
- Improvements in visibility of hiking/cycling relations in lowest zooms
- Improvement in visibility primary..tertiary roads
- Fixed a bug where borders of major roads were overpainted by minor paths asphalt layer. Resulting in reduced visibility because their black border wasn't visible.
The last one is a bit dangerous, I changed paint order for a bigger block, but lack overview on my smartphone. Need to look at the bigger code image on my computer at some point. All those tons of road/path code layers are hard to deal with on a small screen.
Still haven't touched the Andrew issue. 😩
Thanks for the implementation of the SAC Scale colors.
Would it be possible to set the colors like the FzOAM Theme does?
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Quote from: Saturo on December 16, 2023, 15:10:37Would it be possible to set the colors like the FzOAM Theme does?
I will have a look.
There's some kind of green tint on the second screenshot, protected areas turned on? Looks like that semi-transparent layer should be painted below roads etc.
@Saturo, Tapiola and FzOAM both use that german coding, I just mix colors to have a code for all 5 levels.
Tapiola: t1=blue (not used), t2=blue/red, t3=red, t4=red/black, t5=black
Fz: t1+t2=blue, t3=red, t4/t5 didn't look.
I think it's OK the way I do it. Why do you think it's not?
QuoteI think it's OK the way I do it. Why do you think it's not?
I miss the orange paths shown on the screenshots.
Quote from: Saturo on December 16, 2023, 20:58:32I miss the orange paths shown on the screenshots.
Those are SAC1 and I remember now, I used a super thin line there, you see it in your screenshot. Reason: SAC1 is unfortunately used by mappers in flat, even urban areas at times. There the underlying path is of higher interest.
I hope it's immediately clear what this is about.
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No release yet, but changes in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TapioOfTapiola/oam_theme_tapiola/main/Tapiola.xml
@Andrew, Re: Hobart bridge.
The cycleway is painted at the right place. But there's 3 relations (togglable in my theme via "Cycling network"). One on bridge center, one on both cycleways.
Problem: I display them with an offset, because in the theme hiking relations are on one side, cycling in other side of roads. I want to keep this system. In case of this bridge it gets a bit messy.
Screenshots, without relations, with offset, without offset.
This can only be solved by centering the relations, but then displaying hiking + cycling at the same time is difficult. Need to think about it.
EDIT: Nah, it should be OK. Offset only a thing in high zooms. I have tamed them. Please try latest release. I like it now.
Btw, it was a full line by accident. Now it's striped (rcn|lcn|ocn), full=icn/ncn
v1.3.8
- Visibility cycling route captions
- Dependency markers in menu
- Visibility industrial area captions
- Industrial area captions part of suburb name display
- Fine tuned hiking/cycling relation offsets
"Dependency markers": without the above parent option checked, the child option will not display.
Unfortunately I still have issues with that test bridge. Theme displayed on dashboard at top/left corner. All relevant theme tick boxes are ticked.
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Hi Andrew, I can't change it, it's specific and due to the way the mappers have drawn the bridge plus my offset.
The equivalent of my striped line in Johns theme is the semi transparent white line on the center of the bridge.
If we center the line you won't see a problem. But adding an offset you can see, there is a short part appearing in the south. While in the north there is a longer line, over the whole bridge.
Quote from: Tapio on December 24, 2023, 13:44:06it's specific and due to the way the mappers have drawn the bridge
@Tapio - that's OK - it was kind of you to attempt. Is there some problem with how the bridge ways are described? It was me that added the north side footpath/ cycleway, with some nervousness, being alongside a major highway, but maybe it can be improved.
Quote from: Tapio on December 16, 2023, 21:30:40Quote from: Saturo on December 16, 2023, 20:58:32I miss the orange paths shown on the screenshots.
Those are SAC1 and I remember now, I used a super thin line there, you see it in your screenshot. Reason: SAC1 is unfortunately used by mappers in flat, even urban areas at times. There the underlying path is of higher interest.
Thanks for your explanation. I think i will stay with FzOam or Elevate theme porque me gusta más.
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I was exploring the region near Faro Portugal for our next hike. Using "all features" of your nice theme, activating protected areas gives an unwanted effect. See the screenshots.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231229/8893f5689b22b200a74e3813f9afee65.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231229/359ecafd9b9be69265d4b6c8d9acab64.jpg)
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Quote from: Henk van der Spek on December 29, 2023, 19:03:02I was exploring the region near Faro Portugal for our next hike. Using "all features" of your nice theme, activating protected areas gives an unwanted effect
Please try https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TapioOfTapiola/oam_theme_tapiola/main/Tapiola.xml
(replace it inside the zip)
Edit: Still changes needed to protected area overlays, for better visibility in forest areas.
I am old and rusty and no IT guru, so would not know how to do that. Sorry.
Quote from: Henk van der Spek on December 30, 2023, 09:58:20I am old and rusty and no IT guru, so would not know how to do that. Sorry.
OK, then try the attached one.
Thanks. Definitely a step forward. Especially on my normal zoom levels.The green could still be slightly more transparent.
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Quote from: Henk van der Spek on December 30, 2023, 19:53:41The green could still be slightly more transparent.
Hmm. It looks different on my LM4, see attachments. On my smartphone, this overlay is already barely visible in forest areas.
I can add a border around protected areas, but that will also result in some unwanted lines (renderer problem).
Ok. Since LM4 is the future, better leave it at that. The border in the bottom shot is helpfull but not preferable for me if it brings the renderer lines at the top shot zoomfactor.
I tried my phone's color settings but that dit not help.
I am aware of this setting now and more alert, so no further problem with it. I'll add two shots from a nearby wet moor area at home. There you see that the difference is much smaller, nearly too small.
With and without protected area's setting. The greener one has the setting on.
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I'll make changes to this, maybe a pattern, other border, different color, will see.
@tapio - suggestion - given your theme is for cyclists, optionally display bike parking as POI? Attached is map around OSM node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6804728475. Maybe I have missed a theme setting? Online LM route planner correctly displays the bike park @ https://web.locusmap.app/en/?lat=-42.883736&lng=147.333798&z=19&map=hikeBike (although it is tiny, nearly invisible), as does online bikerouter @ https://brouter.m11n.de/#map=19/-42.88322/147.33309/standard.
A quick test showed me that amenity=bicycle_parking is not included in OAM...
And (2015): https://www.openandromaps.org/oam-forums/topic/inclusion-of-bicycle_parking
EDIT: Haha, lol - you kept 3 theme authors busy with this 😁
Quote from: Tapio on January 17, 2024, 16:30:20A quick test showed me that amenity=bicycle_parking is not included in OAM...
that's a shame (weird) isn't it - the one time I want to find bike parking in a bike-friendly GPS app, and I luck out ;-( Thanks for trying.
My apologies @tapio (so many ways in Locus to do things) - as mentioned elsewhere I can instead search LoPoints(offline) > Hiking & Cycling > Bicycle parking. It works. Although as general comment, the LoPoints unfortunately blend in very well in this use-case, with the overall clutter of a map, so nearly impossible to see. There could be a "high contrast" set of icons for temporary searched LoPoints.
I've moved the discussion back from https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=7000.msg74312#msg74312.
Quote from: Tapio on January 19, 2024, 11:06:03You probably know this is possible in Tapiola ("Basic features without POI" has this use case in mind).
@Tapio - to be honest, I'd forgotten, as your "all features" theme is "just" part of my "tapio" preset. Your "basic" is cleaner than LM road, so I've now adopted it as my theme for my "simple" preset, although it could be even simpler. I may investigate later...
Quote from: Tapio on January 19, 2024, 11:06:03And I had a related suggestion, but IIRC Menion disagreed: Add Offline/Online Lopoi setting to presets. Because then you can easily a) turn on the theme (which displays no poi at all) + b) turn on lopoi.
help topic link?
@tapio - I've created a simple theme so that temporary LoPoints are more visible, and background "clutter" is avoided. Gee - I didn't realize how complicated these themes are. How are they modified? Some special theme editor? It is so tedious & error prone using a plain text editor.
I can only speak for myself.
Most changes I do on Android, with QuickEdit+. I make edits on an extra file /_themes/Tapiola.xml, which I then copy (Totalcmd) into /_themes/Tapiola.zip/Tapiola/Tapiola.xml - then re-apply theme in Locus for testing.
On PC, far better overview, code folding etc. I use (MS Visual Studio) Codium. Sometimes PSPad. I copy the xml with Totalcmd/Android (accessing a Windows share) into the zip file.
No, no specific theme editor.
Yes. Every syntax error results in a blank display. Reminds me of my Perl job years ago. Syntax error results in http/500, internal server error.
Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 19, 2024, 22:55:13help topic link?
Forum... searched and found it. AFAICS Menion didn't notice/comment.
https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=8572.msg73222#msg73222
Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 20, 2024, 06:12:56I've created a simple theme so that temporary LoPoints are more visible, and background "clutter" is avoided.
Hiding all buildings is probably the key here. BTW, a) is that Lomaps? b) please share the svg icon/source of bike parking?
Attached: My theme without buildings. Option # 4833186 😂 in "All features".
Quote from: Tapio on January 20, 2024, 12:12:17No, no specific theme editor.
@tapio - super impressive effort; and all the theme editors - 1000's of hand written rules with no compiler/ syntax checker/ or instant viewer. Like hand coding hex in machine language without an assembler even. I imagine a program where the screen shows a map with every type of point, every type of way, every type of relation; a syntax-checking editor below like Visual Studio where any change if reflected in the updated map. I'm dreaming.
Quote from: Tapio on January 20, 2024, 12:24:22Forum... searched and found it. AFAICS Menion didn't notice/comment. https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=8572.msg73222#msg73222
sadly not
Quote from: Tapio on January 20, 2024, 12:41:14a) is that Lomaps? b) please share the svg icon/source of bike parking?
no, it's my super-cutdown-simple theme; there are no references to SVG files in the theme and I removed all street names
Quote from: Tapio on January 20, 2024, 12:41:14Attached: My theme without buildings. Option # 4833186 😂 in "All features".
I unchecked all settings in your "All features" but it still shows building outlines. is that a feature in a version newer than 1.3.8?
Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 20, 2024, 21:17:19there are no references to SVG files in the theme and I removed all street names
I asked because there are bike parking icons in your screenshot and amenity=bike_park is not in OAM. So what map is it and where does the icon originate from?
Yes, 1.3.9. Did you use the theme file I attached?!
v1.3.9
- Option to hide buildings
- Excavator to Misc category (so now all POIs, if I didn't miss any, can be hidden)
- XML validity fixes
- Minor fixes
Guys, I am interested if the "Install latest" in my signature works for you. There's some url forwarding going on and for me it did not consistently work, Locus reported a connect error.
Quote from: Tapio on January 21, 2024, 11:58:43v1.3.9
...
Guys, I am interested if the "Install latest" in my signature works for you. There's some url forwarding going on and for me it did not consistently work, Locus reported a connect error.
Worked like a charm, see screenshot below. I am using LM4-AFA and checked date of zip and included Tapiola.xml, it's 1 3.9.
Thanks, currently my favourite theme due to chosen colours and also very functional.
(always have to edit my posts afterwards to add pictures)
Quote from: Tapio on January 21, 2024, 08:22:06I asked because there are bike parking icons in your screenshot and amenity=bike_park is not in OAM.
@Tapio - yes, bike parking was my original reason to pursue this topic; I'm using OAM Australia-Tasmania from 2021/11/28. My theme doesn't reference any SVG. As suggested elsewhere after my original question, the POI come from doing LoPoints(offline) > Hiking & Cycling > Bicycle parking > tap icon top RHS (100)
Quote from: Tapio on January 21, 2024, 08:22:06Yes, 1.3.9. Did you use the theme file I attached?!
no, I was using 1.3.8. new "buildings" in 1.3.9 - thanks. I note when I uncheck "Road network" the larger roads are hidden but
not minor roads? Similarly when I uncheck "City" & "Suburb", most place names are hidden but
not some minor place names? Compare the 2 screen caps attached.
Quote from: Tapio on January 21, 2024, 11:58:43I am interested if the "Install latest" in my signature works for you
I'm testing from Windows PC then copying ZIP to device with FTP
Quote from: T-mo on January 21, 2024, 15:01:05(always have to edit my posts afterwards to add pictures)
@T-mo - me too - somewhat clunky system. I 1st do "quick reply" > Save, then More... > Modify.
This final comment may be better in the 4.20 beta topic, but @menion - the size of LoPoints(offline) icons isn't influenced by Settings > Points & Tracks > Point Icon Size or LoPoint Icon Size.
QuoteI am interested if the "Install latest"
Works great 😎... and really fast.👍
@Andrew, ah, Lopoints offline.
Re: minor roads still visible despite road network off. I put them back in for some reason. A reason I forgot. I'll think about it.
Re: place names still visible: A lot of attractions captions are visible in lower zooms, need some love.
Suburb display: I think I'll include military area captions (that's in your screenshot), since they are a kind of village.
Please try the xml on my Github, it has some changes.
Quote from: Tapio on January 22, 2024, 06:40:18Please try the xml on my Github, it has some changes.
@tapio - 1.4.0 - all good.
In latest xml, unchecking "Road network" now also removes minor roads etc... and access restrictions.
A lot of logic changes, I hope there's no errors.
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TapioOfTapiola/oam_theme_tapiola/main/Tapiola.xml
Or use attachment.
excellent/ perfect - all & none ;-) great example showing how previously the bike parking POI were hidden in the "map clutter" and now clearly evident with all theme settings turned off!!
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v1.4.0
- Military area names part of "Suburb" option
- Later display of some POI captions
- natural:hedge and natural:tree_row design shamelessly copied from Voluntary UK theme of John Percy
- Rework and xml improvement "Road network"
- "All features" menu change
In my next update (it's already in the xml) the stylemenus will be renamed internally. If my theme is in your presets, theme settings will fall back to default values. You need to reconfigure - sorry.
http://tapiola.org/xml
A debug option...
Screenshot_20240127_162004.jpg
wow - very interesting - you never stop with new ideas
Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 27, 2024, 21:19:44wow - very interesting - you never stop with new ideas
Indeed, always tinkering... Fortunately the "All features" stylemenu plus Locus presets justifies to add MANY options. To be fair, this idea here is from the 4Umaps theme (it's in OAM forum).
New idea, a higher map gamma (it's actually a semi-transparent layer) - allowing for better visibility of Locus tracks.
v1.4.1
- Adjusted defaults to being useful
- Pipeline fix
- Stylemenu renaming; requires you to reconfigure the theme in LMaps presets
- Finetune MTB and Cycling relations for better coexistence.
- Added a semi transparent white layer ("Map Gamma") which may help visibility of map apps tracks.
Latest xml allows hiding of minor waterways like ditches etc. - in some areas this can help spotting paths and tracks. See screenshots. It's just a helper, I'm aware the bridges are still there.
v1.4.2
- Allow hiding of minor waterways like ditches
- Minor fixes
Mit der letzten Version wird mir nur ein weißer Bildschirm angezeigt.
Classic mit OAM.
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Quote from: Saturo on February 26, 2024, 17:20:05Mit der letzten Version wird mir nur ein weißer Bildschirm angezeigt.
Bitte nochmal herunterladen und Rückmeldung, danke! 👍
Gerade neu herunter geladen. Geht wieder. Herzlichen Dank!
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