When selecting a point on the map and try to 'navigate' to it, the route planer is started instead of the navigation menu (where you select bike, car etc).
To reproduce:
- move map and select point by holding finger on screen
- select navigation icon on the lower screen end
-> route planer is started
=> should be: 'navigate' menu is shown
Can someone reproduce this as well or is it only me?
Device: Google Pixel 5, Android 14 (with latest updates)
This is intentional and is the new concept. The navigation allows you to customise the calculated route as required.
If the route suits you, click the navigation icon at the top of the map and off you go.
See Menion's Post here:
"... there is a completely new system of handling shaping/via points in the route planner that should also fully replace the old "Navigate to" screen."
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Heavy changes there, IMO WIP. In the most recent Playstore version there is a menu with "Plan route to" and "Navigate to".
The latter auto creates a route in the route planner. I agree, this should happen totally in the background, otherwise the user would have clicked "Plan route to".
Currently,in the screenshot menu, we decide what we want. But eg after using "Navigate to", followed by another click on a navigation button (top of the route planner), Locus once again asks if guidance or navigation is wanted. That's still not perfect. You tell Locus 3 times that you want to navigate.
Aside from that, that menu is a great thing.
@Graf Geo Thanks for the info! Saw the navigate icon the upper screen corner now as well. I was a little bit irritated with the new approach, but thinking about it it's quite nice having the option to adjust routing the way you want it before starting it.
Now you either adjust it the route or start navigation - so all good! :)
@Tapio: This is okay for me.
Klick a point.
"Plan route to" opens route planner and you must choose start.
"Navigate to" opens route planner, your location is your actual position. You can modify the route or not.
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For me, this is duplicate and makes no sense. If I want a different start, I can simply change the entered location.
I never use guidance and therefore have hardly any experience with it.
But there is a difference:
If I click on a point and immediately select "guide on", a straight guidance line (small blue triangles) appears. Guidance leads much to the destination without taking geographical conditions into account.
If I click on a point and select "Navigate to", the route planner opens and calculates a route. Then I click on the navigation icon again and select "Guidance".
Now a thin red line with numerous turn-by-turn directions (small blue dots) appears on the route. Presumably the route guidance is then close to the calculated route.
I'll have to try it out, as I said, I never actually use guidance.
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Quote from: freischneider on March 22, 2024, 09:14:40For me, this is duplicate and makes no sense. If I want a different start, I can simply change the entered location.
Ok I understand. Maybe you're right.
However, it is then somewhat more complicated to set the start when the GPS is off or there is no signal.
I therefore find the selection option (plan route to / navigate to) somewhat better.
But that's a matter of opinion and taste.
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Quote from: Graf Geo on March 22, 2024, 09:47:53Maybe you're right.
For sure he is right. 3 times clicking "Navigate please" is not fully fleshed out UI. IMO You either choose "Plan route to" and expect all route planning options in the process. If you want to go the short way, with "Navigate to" you can expect it to start a navigation instantly.
I recommend therefore to rename the menu if that is the concept:
1. Navigate to
2. Plan navigation to
In case of 1., start from GPS position and turn GPS on if necessary.
A simple concept and easy to understand. I also never use guidance.
Ok, there is still room for improvement. As Menion wrote here (https://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?msg=74958):
"Of course, work on the planner is not yet finished ..."
But I would be more in favour of three options, as I also find the previous option 1 sensible:
1. Navigate directly to (last settings for mode etc. are used) - then the navigation starts immediately
2. Navigate to (as it currently works)
3. Plan route to
Hmm, I would bother switching back to the previous approach. If I want to plan a route I open the planer, if I want to do a quick and direct navigation I use 'Navigate'.
The current approach with first open the planer and start navigation from here is okay but a little useless as I know in advance what I want to do IMHO.
Quote from: TomHH on March 22, 2024, 14:08:13Hmm, I would bother switching back to the previous approach. If I want to plan a route I open the planer, if I want to do a quick and direct navigation I use 'Navigate'.
The current approach with first open the planer and start navigation from here is okay but a little useless as I know in advance what I want to do IMHO.
Not always, I want to navigate from my location to the selected point. But I may not like the route selection. That's why the route via the planner is quite good and does almost no more work.
Navigating to always leads to the planner. The start and destination are already filled in. and if I want to plan the route to. I just have to complete the route.
Quote from: Graf Geo on March 22, 2024, 13:35:262. Navigate to (as it currently works)
3. Plan route to
IMO there's no difference between 2 and 3 which justifies another menu entry. Would be rather confusing.
The place name displayed at the bottom of the screen (here Leeuwarden) is incorrect. Here Leeuwarden is the municipality to which the town of Grou belongs. The place name must therefore be Grou.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240323/3989c1e22af78989363f282f2e1e7456.jpg)
Hi guys,
nice discussion, thanks for it. In the team were also votes that promoted merging "Plan route to" and "Navigate to" options into a single one. I still consider the current solution as more useful. Here are the key differences:
Navigate to- automatically turn on GPS
- set start point to GPS
- set end point to selected point
- after computing the route, zoom out to display the route preview
- show a quick navigation button in the toolbar (in the next version, it will automatically start navigation).
- we are also thinking about an automatic 10-second timer > when the route is computed and you do not touch the screen for 10 seconds, navigation starts automatically. This should cover also the need for quick navigation
Plan route to- set end point to selected point
- show a quick save button at the top
Hope, my explanation is clear and makes sense to you.
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@arnor address geocoding > I'll look at it thanks.
Thank you Menion. I agree, "navigate to" and "plan route to" should remain separate as it is.
"Quick navigation button" would be nice.
Timer/countdown: I'm not convinced. I want to navigate immediately (quick button is enough and ideal) or modificate the computed route without "time pressure" - don't want to start unintentionally because I was distracred or too slow when checking the route.
Quick save button at the top: that already exists (?).
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Also dislike a countdown. IMO everything (point menu, sidebar command) need a quick and a careful planning NAVTO.
My ideal Locus would offer this:
Point menu:
a) Navigate to (plan in background. start nav directly!)
b) Plan navigation to...(Start route planner with pre-set endpoint, maybe gps starting point)
IMO here in Menions layout the difference between navto and plan nav to is too small.
Sidebar, a new command:
a) Navigate to screen center. Again, no intermediate planner. Start at GPS, turn it on.
b) Just the normal Route planner. Because "plan navigation" is just that + a button in route planner to start nav.
We tend to overengineer things. IMHO the previous workflow was perfectly fine as it was also covering the use case which I guess was used the most:
- Navigate: from GPS position to point X
- Plan route: do it in detail the way you like/need
but that just my opinion and the way I use LM.
The previous system had a few problems:
- you never knew what you get. The result was always a surprise and you had no simple option to post-modify it
- selection of routing profiles and their parameters was the old way (row with profiles) and does not fit to current new system, which is a lot more flexible
- adding via-points was way too complicated
I still think, that 10 sec timer should solve what you need here. I'll try to describe the steps ...
Start - identical
- click on the point on the map
- choose "Navigate to" from the menu
Old system
- old "Navigate to" screen opens
- click on the "Navigate" button
- app returned to the main screen and once GPS had a valid position, track was computed and nav. started
New system
- the "Route planner" screen opens
- once GPS has a valid position, track is computed
- the 10-second (may be user-defined) timer starts now. If you touch anything (even a map), it will be canceled!!
- you press the "Navigate" button or the timer ends, the app returns to the main screen and nav. starts
So the new system with the timer is even one click less, or in the worst case, the same. The huge advantage is, that is solve all problems I've mentioned at the start.
No timer please! If I want to get it fast, then I click fast! ;D
Of course my way of using LM isn't the holy grail! It's just the way I use it. That may not be appropriate for others and sometimes it's also changing habits and getting used to it. So in the end all good!
PS: if I could disable the timer then it's fine! :)
Quote from: TomHH on March 27, 2024, 10:27:43No timer please! If I want to get it fast, then I click fast! ;D
Of course my way of using LM isn't the holy grail! It's just the way I use it. That may not be appropriate for others and sometimes it's also changing habits and getting used to it. So in the end all good!
PS: if I could disable the timer then it's fine! :)
Menion meant timer user-defined. If you don't want it, you don't have to use it. I think the solution is good.
And if we're honest....it never comes down to 10 seconds.
I agree about the "no countdown", not even as an option there are too many options to get lost in this app (:o getting lost in an orientation app is paradoxical)