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Title: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 06, 2017, 19:50:53
Hello,
we have just released a beta version of Wear for Locus Map which is an add-on to Locus Map for your Android Wear watch and you are more than welcome to try it ;) Please see Wear for Locus Map on Google Play. (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asamm.locus.addon.wear)

The version is not a very polished yet and is released mainly for testing purposes. The application now supports

- Map screen with zoom controls and side navigation panel when navigation is active.
--- know issues - there are still some issues with rendering navigation track on the map, it is kind of huge compared to the rest of the map. And the navigation on the watch doesn't currently show usual question mark symbol when off track.

- Track recording
--- start/stop/pause/add waypoint controls + track recording profile select before the recording start
--- showing basic statistics of current recording

For Android Wear 1.x users
- install Wear for Locus Map on your mobile phone and wait a few minutes for your watch to synchronize. The application Locus Map should appear in your application menu.

For Android Wear 2.0 users
The add-on must be installed separately for your phone and watch because the add-on is not part of the Locus Map app itself so that we could keep the whole add-on independent/separated and mainly open-sourced. In order to install we recommend to
- install Wear for Locus Map on your mobile phone
- then install Wear for Locus Map on your Android Wear 2.0 from the watch Google Play. The application Locus Map should appear in your application menu.

Please share if you have any crashes, trouble with the communication between the device and the watch or generally any inconvenient behavior or user interface problems.
So enjoy the testing and thank you in advance for any feedback :)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 06, 2017, 20:46:38

made a short test.
working good

but one question: when the backlight on the watch switch off the map is inverted. on the "versions" in the past the maps are shown normaly
was this intended ?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 06, 2017, 21:52:34
Hello, thank you for such a quick feedback :)
Regarding the inverted map - yes it is intended, do you find it confusing?

When the backlight switches off the watch enters "ambient mode" and the controls should be disabled in this mode (i.e. zoom function of the map should not work in this mode). Same for track recording - screen goes black&white and controls disappear to let the user know, that the watch is in the ambient mode. The communication with the mobile phone stays on though and the screen refreshes regularly so there is still significant drain on battery even in this mode.

We could disable this feature but I think it is somehow customary to simplify the UI in ambient mode and go black&white or dark pallete when in this mode. But the whole point was for the app to be less confusing and let the user know of the switch to ambient so this feature is still up for a discussion.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 06, 2017, 23:10:00
Casio WSD-F20 (Android 2.6.0.176354550)
Application is super.
Missing: settings and using hardware buttons for zoom in and zoom out.
Navigation by gpx from application.
I can't reach menu for tracking when I'm in map.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 07, 2017, 09:23:20
Hello Peter,
thanks for the tip to support HW buttons for zoom function, this feature is really not implemented yet.

Could you please explain what do you mean by that you are missing navigation by gpx from application? The watch should simply receive navigation information from the phone app, so if you set up your navigation in Locus Map you should also automatically see navigation information on the map screen on the watch.

And what is your problem with reaching the menu? Navigation drawer should open when you swipe downwards from the very top of the screen. It doesn't work on map screen?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Carsten54 on December 07, 2017, 19:34:49
Hi all

I can't see a map on the watch. I only see the start button and the statistics. I can start and stop the recording. One bigger problem: The button "add waypoint" shows the message "waypoint added". But the message is shown until the watch is restarted.
Sony Smartwatch Android Wear 1.5
OnePlus X Android 6.01
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 07, 2017, 19:39:14
Hello, thank you for such a quick feedback :)
Regarding the inverted map - yes it is intended, do you find it confusing?.

Today i made a 2 hour test

app is working really good, no restart or something. way better than the past

yeah, i find it confusing. on the data screens its okay but not necessary.
on the map screen a lot auf maps infos are hard to see with the invertmode, in the normal mode it is much better even when backlight is off (testet the old version).
also in this invertmap mode you get big white areas because the maps on the phone show wood. look a bit like broken display
the refreshing in ambient mode is ok. i don´t really see any different to the normal mode on the maps screen refreshing.
maybe a option to deactivate the invert map mode ?

Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 08, 2017, 07:18:49
Hello Carsten54,
waypoint message should not get stuck, definitely a bug. Thank you for reporting this, I will try to fix it in the next version.
Map is accessible form the navigation drawer which should pop up when you swipe downwards from the very top of the screen. The drawer also opens the first time you open the app, but I see this is also somewhat confusing :/
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 08, 2017, 07:37:48
Ok guys, I see there are some usability problems, so I would be really glad to know your opinion on

Or if you have some other idea on how you would like the app to behave then please let me also know :) Thank you

P.S. skwal thanks for the test. I definitely see your problems with inverted map.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 08, 2017, 08:21:19
Hi milan.cejnar

Okey I found, how I can reach menu from map. Ok when I started navigation from  locus(mobile) I saw navigation points. Is it possible add suport for standalone application for navigation? Watch has gps and barometer.

I found problem in application :  when i'm in map and watch go to sleep after  wake up is map in same position mobile has changed position but watch not. I must click on zoom in/out and map  has refreshed and show correctly position.

For inspiration see ViewRanger watch app :) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.augmentra.viewranger.android
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 08, 2017, 10:44:07

1. Inverted map in ambient mode - probably just get rid of it completely. Only the zoom buttons would hide and navigation bar would turn black&white to notify about ambient mode and map would stay the same?
3. Maybe with an improvement that the app would open to the last screen you have visited last time so that you wouldn't have to go through the main menu every time you open the app?


Both sounds good for me


The menu drawer on the top is a good thing in my mind.  you should make it more clear how it works in the app description.
on a round watch it isn´t that logical as on my square wtach
On the data screen is it possible to show the time and the % of the phone battery ?

Today i tested it 3 hours. No  errors or so
But one question
Autorotation: is it deactivated? tried different option (autorotation, screen on, etc) on the phone and different zoomleves on the watch, the watchmap never rotate
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Carsten54 on December 08, 2017, 20:30:34
Map is accessible form the navigation drawer which should pop up when you swipe downwards from the very top of the screen. The drawer also opens the first time you open the app, but I see this is also somewhat confusing :/
Sorry   ::)
Thank you for the hint. So easy, but difficult to find.   ;)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 10, 2017, 10:48:00
@Peter Jurík,
could you please describe the problem with the map getting stuck a bit more? From my testing I see that map either goes to ambient mode after a while and keeps receiving updates or, if ambient is disabled, the watch goes to sleep and then after wake up application starts again and returns to track recording screen by default (right now it should not remember that map was actually opened previously). Do you use ambient mode (darkened screen/inverted map) or does your watch really return to map screen after wake up automatically?
Standalone function will not be supported in this version. What would you expect from standalone application? Would basic track recording functionality be enough?

@skwal,
thank you for testing. The navigation drawer should really be more advertised, we will try to make it more clear that it is there.
Autorotation of the map is currently disabled for the watch, but thanks for lettting us know, that you would be interested in this feature.

@Carsten54,
you are welcome :) We will let the navigation drawer peek for a little while every time any screen is shown to remind users that it is there. Thinking of adding some kind of intro/tutorial screen in the future.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 11, 2017, 21:45:14
@milan.cejnar

I have run Locus on mobile as service. Ambient mode in watch is disabled. When I run locus on watch after wake up point with my gps on same postion before sleep. I must zoom in/out app for refresh data.

Step for test:
1. Run mobile Locus as service home button and set to sleep
2.  Watch run to map
3. Watch going to sleep
4.  must go away from previous position
5.  after cca 10 minutes wake up watch
6. mobile is refresh application and maps, watch still on same position before sleep
When you needed , I should add video.

Feature:
1. recording to watch and sync locus it will be nice feature
2. upload route to watch and navigation by route , and warning when i'm off route will be very nice feature, caching maps around gpx for standalone using
3. show elevation and gps position will be fine not needed.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 12, 2017, 17:57:20
tested it agian for 3 hours

few minutes after the start my sony smartwatch restarts. i don´t know why, because of locus, maybe because it was so cold outside, i don´t know

an hour later the map on the watch was in the ambient mode but didn´t refresh since a few minutes
tapping on the screen did not work, menu drawer also don´t work
locus stayed in the mode with light off. think the app was frozen
swipe to the side to the watch menu, light goes on and everything incl locus worked again.
happend only on time
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 13, 2017, 08:18:14
@skwal
that is odd. And the map was in the ambient mode and zoom buttons were hidden? Because in ambient mode the touch screen should be disabled and the app should be woken up from the ambient first (by button/wrist gesture etc.) It would explain why application seemed unresponsive - swipe to dismiss the application should have not been working either though. Not receiving updates to the map is definitely a bug.

@Peter Jurík
thanks for a description of the problem, something is definitely wrong, will look into it.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 14, 2017, 15:47:52
@skwal
that is odd. And the map was in the ambient mode and zoom buttons were hidden? Because in ambient mode the touch screen should be disabled and the app should be woken up from the ambient first (by button/wrist gesture etc.) It would explain why application seemed unresponsive - swipe to dismiss the application should have not been working either though. Not receiving updates to the map is definitely a bug.

i can´t tell you
i was on the bike and it was in the evening. so the display was hard to read
but when in ambient mode the display can´t be woken up by tap my watch is most of the time not in ambient mode. the display is inverted but i can always wake my watch by tapping on it.
and am happy with that. my watch core is mounted on the bike, so no side button or a really tiny one and also gesture deactiveted

edit: small testride: the watch is in ambient mode, map inverted, zoom buttons hidden.
But i can wake it by tapping on the screen
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 15, 2017, 20:47:25

the crash of the watch at the first Start happend again today.

whats new in the new Version?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 16, 2017, 19:55:41
@skwal I have sent you a PM regarding the bug

Anyway, new beta version doesn't really bring any new features, it's mostly some bug fixes and optimalizations and small UI changes. There will still be some issues until new version of Locus Map comes out. But all in all I would say the add-on is almost ready for release and we plan to keep working on it gradually adding new features and improvements in the next months.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 21, 2017, 16:52:30
@milan

Hi,

Latest version is for me stable. I 'm using with sleep mode. When watch are woken up application is correctly showing my position.

I'm looking forward for zooming with hardware buttons and other features.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 22, 2017, 09:33:12
Hello guys,
I have just published version 1.0.0 of the add-on. Again no new features but this should be really stable release and is intended to be used with the last Locus Map v3.28.0.
We plan to start gradually adding some new features now that the add-on is (hopefully) stable enough.

Please if you will have any problems with the add-on and you use Locus Map v3.28.0 then I will be glad if you report it here or since it is no longer beta you can also report it as usual to our help desk help.locusmap.eu

If you really want some new feature and you will find the time please add it as usual as an idea to our help desk so that others could vote and we could see which features would be preferred.

Finally feel free to continue this thread or even start a new thread here at the forum if you have any general feedback and/or interesting topic regarding wear add-on which you would want to discuss :)

Hope you will find the add-on useful and will enjoy using it during your outdoor activities :)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: mzperx on December 24, 2017, 15:59:09
Hi Milan,

thank you for this addon! Saturday I did a 3 hour workout with this addon and it worked fine. It was stable and fast. I used 1.5 hours with "display always on" mode and 1.5 hours with "display always on" disabled. In the first case the application consumed abut 10% battery and in the second case about 35%.
I have Nexus 5x with Android 8 and Samsung Gear Live with Android Wear 1.5.
One can use "always on" mode in workouts <3 hours and for longer workouts the "always on" mode should be disabled.
 
Some suggestions:
#Wet clothes can cause unexpected touches on the screen this is why better if you put recording controls to different page or combine the controls with unimportant statistical data in this case the user will not leave the screen here and it will not cause any unexpected touch a trouble with recording.
#Device and wear battery level indicators and/or alerts,
#configurable statistical data (what I want to see in the stat panel is depends on the workout),
#configurable ambient mode (invert mode on/off)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 03, 2018, 19:23:29
Hi everybody,

Is this forum topic the best and only place for finding all useful info about the use of Locus with an Android wear watch ?

I have not yet such a watch, at this time, so I should be very interested to see a short list of the best suitable models for Locus, and pros/cons of each models...
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: mzperx on January 04, 2018, 10:29:37
@sbouju

I think there is no "the best suitable models for Locus". The addon can run on newer and on older devices too. I have Samsung Gear Live (it was released in 2014) and the addon works fine for me.
There is no special requirements for the watch because this addon is only a visual extension of the phone applicaton. It doesn't use any special hardware of the watch (eg. hearth rate/gps etc...) it shows only what the phone collected.
I suggest that you choose a watch what best fits your requirements (functionality/looks like etc...) and then you can ask it here may someone has experience with that watch with Locus.
The only thing what I would consider if bought a watch the hardware buttons. In my experience the touch screen is unusable when it raining. The actual addon doesn't support buttons but maybe it will in the future.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 04, 2018, 11:50:45
>> I suggest that you choose a watch what best fits your requirements (functionality/looks like etc...) and then you can ask it here may someone has experience with that watch with Locus.

As an ex-Casio watches addict, but living now (and happy) with a (not-Android-wear) Garmin fenix 2, one I should consider attentively among some others is this under...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PoUAAOSwMvtZRUC-/s-l400.jpg)

Anyway, see under a very satisfying LocusWrist solution ;)

(http://img110.xooimage.com/files/b/d/3/wechatimg62-53b6bd6.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on January 04, 2018, 12:29:21
I can confirm that all watches running Android Wear should be supported. The add-on is currently intended as a companion app to the Locus Map running on the phone so there are no special HW requirements for the watch. Support of HW buttons and "rotating side button" is planned.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 05, 2018, 10:37:49
Tested yesterday in some physical stores around me: the main problem is that it is difficult to know if such or such "smart watch" they sell is working under Android Wear 2.0 or not... And vendors generally don't know!
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 07, 2018, 11:15:59
Does somebody knows if the Xiaomi Amazfit "Pace 2" and "Pace 2S" watches are (will be?) 100% OK for this purpose...?

(https://s18.postimg.org/imxpr6j51/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.13.05.png) (https://postimg.org/image/imxpr6j51/)

(https://s18.postimg.org/a5y7gnbzp/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.27.18.png) (https://postimg.org/image/a5y7gnbzp/)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on January 07, 2018, 13:33:18
Does somebody knows if the Xiaomi Amazfit "Pace 2" and "Pace 2S" watches are (will be?) 100% OK for this purpose...?

(https://s18.postimg.org/imxpr6j51/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.13.05.png) (https://postimg.org/image/imxpr6j51/)

(https://s18.postimg.org/a5y7gnbzp/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.27.18.png) (https://postimg.org/image/a5y7gnbzp/)

just check for android wear. so No


Testet the newest versions many times: no crash at start and no other problems. just working.

My only whish: rotating map on the watch.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 07, 2018, 13:52:56
>>just check for android wear. so No

Thanks...

And same thing with the Sony SmartWatch3 SWR50, I fear...



Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on January 08, 2018, 08:03:44
@sbouju
Sony SmartWatch3 is not Android Wear watch, but it might by supported by a different add-on which Menion made, but I would have to ask. Anyway we would like to concentrate our support to Android Wear for now, so for Locus I would recommend Android Wear instead.

Sorry, my mistake. Menion pointed out that Sony SmartWatch3 is running Android Wear actually. I checked our device compatibility list and Sony SmartWatch3 should be supported by the Wear for Locus Map add-on.

Maybe please start another topic here at the forum if you want to recommend some watch by other users.

You can find some AW watch here
https://www.android.com/wear/
or here
https://www.amazon.com/b?node=15203391011

Android Wear tends to be a bit more expensive than the watch you have posted unfortunately. Depending on your region, these AW watches might be quite affordable - Moto 360 2gen, LG Watch Sport, Huawei Watch 2, Asus ZenWatch 3 (not so much outdoor/fitness)
But there are many other, please see links above and feel free to start a new topic to get some more recommendations from other users.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on January 08, 2018, 22:42:41

i´m usung the sony sw3
working great. and you can get it really cheap when you buy used
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 11, 2018, 13:58:23
made a short test...

Made a short test too, with my fresh Sony SmartWatch3, so I just begin to discover this "Wear for Locus Map beta application", and Android Wear itself !   :)


(https://s14.postimg.org/3qx7fsfp9/2018-01-11_14.27.28.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/3qx7fsfp9/)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: strandedeuropean on January 12, 2018, 14:49:07
Hi there, first of all thanks for the addon, finally a reason for me to buy a smartwatch  ;)

My main use case for locusmap is mountain biking. What I heavily use is the Strava Heatmap Biking Map as an overlay to an offline map.

Sadly this overlay isn't working properly with the wear addon. The overlay disappears as soon the map get's refreshed (phone->watch) while the phone display is turned off.

Is that a bug or do I need to change some settings?

Phone: oneplus 5 with Android 8.0.0
Watch: Fossil Q Control
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: menion on January 12, 2018, 15:08:57
Hello,
this definitely looks like a problem in Locus Map itself, not an add-on. I'll check it, thanks.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on January 12, 2018, 22:31:34
Hello,
this definitely looks like a problem in Locus Map itself, not an add-on. I'll check it, thanks.

yes, the overlay in the app is also not correct
on some positions it shows the correct overlay, on other positons lines which are to thick to see anything and on other positions it shows nothing.

tested the wear app 18 hours this week. not only one problem.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 24, 2018, 11:26:16
It's quite magic to can see the moving map of Locus map on such a small thing than a wrist watch :) But is it so useful, finally?

If I had to choose, I think I had probably prefered a repeater of the dashboard, may be... ;)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on February 12, 2018, 14:35:35
All of a sudden, my interest in an Android wear watch is back.

However, can the little 4-element dashboards shown in the screenshots be custom configured?
I would like very different values to be displayed if..
.. running (dist, km-time avg, heartrate)
.. mountains (dist, altitude, ..)
.. skiing (dist, max-speed, altitude, alt-lost..)

And I wonder if having Bluetooth on at the Smartphone constantly will drain a lot battery.. (tracking a ski-day usually gets very close with battery anyways.. even if one will have a few less looks on the display thanks to the watch).
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on February 12, 2018, 16:36:34
Where can I see the screenshots you are speaking about...?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on February 12, 2018, 19:25:26
There are a lot of screenshots in the Play Store app page:
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asamm.locus.addon.wear
The third shows a 4-element-mini-dash..

You can also see some profile selection..
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on February 12, 2018, 19:42:09
Oh yes, OK, thank you !  :)

I may be wrong, but for me, this screen seems to be a simple "numeric snapshot" of a recorded track, far from a real time info as is what we can see in a dahboard data field.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on February 13, 2018, 08:01:51
@H Ifang
Hello, the 4-element mini dashboard is currently not configurable, but we plan to extend it and allow the configuration in the future.
The bluetooth energy requirements are actually not that bad depending on the usage and assuming your phone has Bluetooth 4.0 or newer. I would actually expect only a couple of percents of a phone battery used by bluetooth, but again it depends on your specific usage. Of course keeping Wear for Locus Map visible on the watch all the time will indeed keep communication between the phone and the watch on and with the screen also on, even if dimmed, will drain the watch battery quite fast. My personal opinion is that for hiking and/or running disabling the ambient mode (i.e. "always-on screen") might be preferable if you are concerned about battery life.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on February 13, 2018, 14:52:17
@Milan
Thanks for the reply - I am very much looking forward to that (configurable dashboard - hopefully multi-page to get more than 4 values).
For me it is at least as important as having a little look onto the map. Most time I have to open the phone is when I want to see certain dash info like speed (but km-time not km/h), how high am I and gain (mountains), was there a new max-speed (skiing), how much distance behind etc. This of course only makes sense if all available info from the phone can also be viewed on the watch.
At the moment when running I use the audio coach mostly, but that of course is not nearly as flexible as if you can have a look whenever you want to (and sometimes surroundings are so loud you miss the coach speaking).

As for the battery drain, sounds reasonable, we will see. At the moment I still have a S6 with first battery, certainly has seen better times. BT4 is available, sure.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on February 21, 2018, 18:12:48
I had a first ski day recently. For this activity (skiing) the map is not too very helpful. It simply is very small - but at least it was mostly too close (zoom) for me. Or is the default zoom according to what was last selected on the phone? Then I think it should not be the "same pixels" as on the phone, but about the same area covered (with less resolution) - so you have the same overview. But other people may think different, so it should be configurable.
Zooming out was quite tedious, often not recognized, or activating the wipe-down (maybe locate them left and right?) (I have a Fossil Q Explorist). And of course is not too fast - maybe the reason why the usual pinch-to-zoom is not supported?

More than the map I would have liked the dashboard - but as said would be interested in some more/other values like absolute altitude, max speed or (when wearing belt) HF rate.

So looking forward to tap more of the full potential soon  :)
Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on March 16, 2018, 15:55:29
I tried to use it twice for running now.
Sorry to have to say that but.. current state is pure disaster, not usable.

Next to the info I am missing, the numbers are far too small to be easily read while running (if you do not have Eagle's eyes). My watch has not the biggest screen you can get, but definitely not a small one either. There is room to make them bigger, and alternatively one could only put 3 or 2 values on one page.

While in that economy mode (ambient or not ambient, I never got that) there seem to be extremely slow updates of the values shown - when "activating" the distance jumped by nearly a km. If the app goes into that mode, it should still be a bit more dynamic, at least if a recording is active.

But the real big problem is, that the track recording was constantly stopped, restarted or paused..
In the end, I had a lot of single track fragments and also missing track parts (and of course no usable track progress while running).
While the hardware might play a role in this, and my sleeves (and even my sweat), this definitely must be implemented in a much more robust way.
Perhaps the stop button should not wait to be canceled by another tap, but auto-canceled if a constant-tap is interrupted. The pause button needs the same.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to not put the buttons on a page with values you want to watch while running, but on a separate page only opened at begin and end - so they cannot get toggled by accident (as long as the page ist not opened by accident..)

Hope there will be considerable improvements, will not use again until then.

Sorry again, but that was my experience.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 16, 2018, 16:58:06
@H Ifang hello,
no reason to be sorry at all, on the contrary I am sorry for your bad experience and would like to thank you for your time writing this feedback.
Regarding accidental button presses with wet or sweated clothes, don't you also have this problem with other applications? For example Strava or Runtastic are also using normal buttons or press areas on their tracking screen. I must admit though that these buttons are often smaller or located near the bottom of the screen which might result in less "false" touches to the screen.
Fonts on the track recording screen might be a bit small at the moment, I can image that on smaller screens 2x2 layout might be too much. Noted.
Now concerning the ambient mode. The watch should actually get updates at the same period as in normal mode, communication is not throttled in anyway, at least not in the application itself. This seems more like and issue with the Phone and Wear for Locus Map phone application. Some power saving feature of the phone could be the problem. I will definitely try to look into it.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on March 19, 2018, 18:46:06
I am quite new to smartwatches / Android Wear and do not use another fitness/running app.
Some people may have less problems with that, others more, but there must be a mode as robust as possible for this, or it will never be usable for some people. And the easiest and maybe most effective solution might be to not have the buttons on screen most of the time.

The more info on one screen the better of course - and I think the space that is there should be used for the value to show, not labels and icons (at least optionally). Maybe a small icon, labels shown on tap, but usually one knows what is where very soon. Then the font can be much much bigger on a 2x2 field too!

Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on March 21, 2018, 14:35:00
Casio WSD-F20 report

1. Zoom +/- with button works fine. Thank you.
2. Stable application is okey.
3. How does auto-rotate function work?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 21, 2018, 15:49:49
@H Ifang
thank you for your ideas regarding UI/UX, you might be right with the less buttons on the screen, we will definitely try to think more about usability in the next versions.

@Peter Jurík
Hello, thank you very much for your quick report on new version. I am glad that it (hopefully) works smoothly and that watch buttons work fine.

Regarding auto-rotate function. It is mainly intended for use with navigation but can be used even without it. This function should rotate the map according to you "movement bearing". There is a small time lag between your actual bearing and displayed map rotation but it should be more or less similar. This function is effectively useless and might be a bit confusing when you just test it at home or just standing at one spot, because it needs some movement to lock your bearing or have the navigation enabled to at least use your expected route bearing/heading as your current bearing.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Wolli on March 21, 2018, 18:14:02
With today's UPDATE of wear for locus map [/ b] to 1.1.0 and locus map pro 3.30.2, my Sony Smartwatch 3 is not working anymore.
Error message on the smartwatch: "locus map has ended"
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 21, 2018, 19:20:07
@Wolli
Hello, I am very sory to hear that. I can't see any report about the error in our console yet. Please make sure your phone is connected to wifi or cellular data and try again and I should hopefully receive an error report which could help me fix it.
Other than that I have one report that Sony Smartwatch 3 is working with new version. So maybe you could try uninstall both device and watch part of the add-on and try to install it again if it helps. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Milan
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Wolli on March 21, 2018, 20:45:53
Hello Milan
my mobil phone /samsung Galaxy S4, Android 5.01) is connectet with wlan.
I have deinstalled the android wear and the  wear for locus map. Then I installed android wear software and my Sony smartwatch 3 works well.
After this I installed the wear for locus maps software
On my phone locus maps works well.
When  I press on the watch the locus map icon, following message dispays:
"Locus Map wurde beendet" OK 
So the reinstalling of the softwares dos not help. What can I do now ?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Wolli on March 21, 2018, 20:56:25
Hello Milan
when i have not start the locus maps pro software on my phone I get on my sony smartwatch (buildNo M1D64T) the same message .  It seems that the locus map software dosen't send data to the watch
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on March 22, 2018, 00:17:52
With today's UPDATE of wear for locus map [/ b] to 1.1.0 and locus map pro 3.30.2, my Sony Smartwatch 3 is not working anymore.
Error message on the smartwatch: "locus map has ended"

same problem here
newest maps pro
sony sw3

at the very first start it worked. the watch made a reboot then no connection
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 22, 2018, 06:52:19
@Wolli @skwal
Ok, thank you for the report. So reinstall didn't help and there is a message that Locus Map has ended right after you start the application on the watch, right? Any similar message on the phone when you try to start the watch app - that Locus Map or Wear for Locus Map has ended?
Thanks
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Wolli on March 22, 2018, 07:56:27
Hallo
ja, es gibt keine Nachricht  auf der Smartwatch wenn ich locus map pro starte .
Bei der Initialisierung von Lucus map werden im Initiallisierungsfenster alle
Andere Apps, z.B. outdooractive funktionieren auf der Smartwatch sehr gut.
Kann ich die beiden Vorgängerversionen (lucus map pro und wear für locus map)  herunter laden um zu testen ob es wirklich am Update liegt ?
Hier habe ich ein Video abgelegt:  http://wollisgeocaching.de/20180322074901.avi

Hello
yes, there is no message on the smartwatch when I start locus map pro.
When Lucus map is initialized, all of them are initialized in the initialization window
Other apps, e.g. outdooractive work very well on the watch.
Can I download the two previous versions (lucus map pro and wear for locus map) to test whether it is really on the update?
Here I have a video filed: http://wollisgeocaching.de/20180322074901.avi
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on March 22, 2018, 08:16:01

reinstall don´t help

i made i test
the watch isn´t connectet to the phone
when i start the wear app i get directky the locus has ended message on the watch.
so the problem is the wear app
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 22, 2018, 08:32:21
@Wolli
Danke für die Beschreibung des Problems und für das Video. Est ist nicht mehr nötig die Vorgängerversionen zu testen, weil Ich den Fehler in der neuen Version von Wear for Locus Map jetzt gefunden habe.
Ich werde den Fehler heute beheben, vielen Dank für die Hilfe!

@skwal
Bug found in the new version on Android Wear 1.x, working to fix this right now.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 22, 2018, 09:44:48
@Wolli @skwal
Really thanks for the help guys. The fix version 1.1.1 which should fix your problem is out now and should be available within a couple of hours on Google Play.
Please let me know if there are any other problems with this version or if it solved your problem.
Have a nice day
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Wolli on March 22, 2018, 10:10:37
Hello Milan

Thanks for the very fast help. With the update locus map works again on my smartwatch.
Locus Map is a great software and the support is exceptionally good and very fast
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on March 22, 2018, 12:49:47
thanks, is working again.

one question, i don´t know how it was in the past

when im looking at the watch map and standing still i see a blue circle and a red cross
when im moving, i see a blue triangle and the red cross.


in locus i only see the blue circle and triangle.
is it possible to deactivate the red cross ?


edit: don´t know if you worked on it, cinema mode still not working
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 22, 2018, 14:00:20
@skwal
oh, sorry about the red cross, that should not be there when auto-centered. Should be fixed in about 2 weeks when new Locus Map version comes out.

The cinema mode is problematic, I can't reproduce the bug at all, might be specific for Sony SW3. I suspect it is again more of an Android Wear 1.x problem, but when tested on my old Moto 360 the cinema mode is working as expected - the screen just stays off until I press the power button again.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on March 26, 2018, 23:32:49
@skwal
oh, sorry about the red cross, that should not be there when auto-centered. Should be fixed in about 2 weeks when new Locus Map version comes out..

No Problem. But you did not say that is now possible to move the red cross over the map on the watch....  :)
made a 5hour test ride today, map always turns in the right direction


Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on March 27, 2018, 09:32:26
@skwal
Super, thanks for the test :) Glad to hear that the auto-rotation is usable and working.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on April 20, 2018, 10:58:25
Since beginning of April (wanted to try for a bike ride, might have occurred earlier but did not try) my Locus on watch does not connect to Locus on phone.

The watch is definitely connected: in Bluetooth settings it shows "connected", the crossed cloud-icon shows or not according to Internet connection on phone disabled or active, apps can be installed from watch's play store.

But when I start the Locus app on the watch, it shows up for a fraction of a second and then switches to message that watch and phone are not connected. I shall connect and try again. The refresh-button can be pressed as often as I want, does not change anything.

Locus main app had some updates since then, no difference.
Wear OS on the watch had an update meanwhile, no difference.
I uninstalled/reinstalled the app on the watch now, no difference.
I reinstalled the Wear for Locus on the phone too, no difference.

I wonder how to check if the phone part is "active"? Going into app details on the phone for "Wear for Locus", it shows no RAM usage, no battery usage. And the "force stop" button is not active, so does it run? If not, how to start - there is not even an icon for this "app" (more of a background service I guess - but how to check status of such ones - up and running? How about a little status widget?)

Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Christian on April 20, 2018, 22:18:25
Hi guys,
I'm new to wearables but interested.Can someone please explain something to me?
: the clock must be connected to phone via bluetooth and uses the GPS of the phone? right?
: how many hours the battery of the phone (offlline mode, only GPS is on) and how many hours the battery of the clock will last? Any expierences here?
: is the clock able to "guidance" like on phone? is beeper supported?

Thank you. Any answer will be appreciated.
Christian
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on April 23, 2018, 08:42:46
@Christian
Hello, yes, currently with Wear for Locus Map the watch has to be connected to the phone to work and it uses the phone's GPS. But generally some other applications can also run without a phone possible with limited functionality synchronizing data later when the phone is available.
Expected battery life can vary greatly but basically the watch will be the issue not the phone. With "Screen always on" setting disabled on the watch Locus application will only connect and display data when the display is turned on. With this setting enabled the screen, although dimmed, will stay on and the application will stay connected which, depending on your watch, can drain the battery in a couple of hours. Generally Android Wear watch will probably not make it through more than 2-3 days without charging, even when they are just lying on the table with screen off. And even with light usage it is normal to charge AW watch every day.
Navigation directions are shown on the map screen, distance to point is drawn directly on the map. Beeper and/or vibration is not supported at the moment.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Christian on April 23, 2018, 15:28:20
Thank you Milan for your detailed answer helping a lot.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on May 04, 2018, 13:29:07
My problem (see 4 above) did not go away. After a phone reboot the Wear-for-Locus app/service now has an active "force stop" button in the app details, but that did not help either.

How can I debug this? Why does the Wear OS Locus app always say there is no connection?

(Wanted to use for a mountain hike, even as I guess an absolute altitude field is still missing?)

Update: I set back the watch to factory defaults and re-connected/installed everything. All other things looked identical before and after that, but finally Locus on the watch can be started again.

Had a short look into the code from github before, it was the "middle" connection error message, the one associated to the API not delivering any "node" with status "nearby" (just from what can be read there, do not know anything about it). As I said, any other locations told me "connected" (like the watch settings or the Wear OS app on the phone).
Somehow Wear OS seems not really stable..

Update2:
In the mountains, the map on the watch is very useful.
You can have a look at the track at any time, without getting/opening/unlocking the phone - also saving energy there probably (Bluetooth costs less than screen I guess).

Having the possibility to see the time on the map would be nice. So you do not always have to switch to the watch face for that (and then back). On the other hand, it is probably a good idea to not have the map open all the time - a Wear watch just does not have the endurance for a 8 hour activity.
And of course everything could be a bit smoother / faster / responsive - if it could.. Seems the hardware that is faster and needs less energy lies a few years in the future..

Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on June 05, 2018, 11:48:44
As for my problem with unwanted touch-events with sleeves and/or when sweating.. (also occurred in the mountains recently as soon as there was some rain and putting on a jacket) - there is one solution: display-lock (or to be precise touch-lock).

With the Bubble-app, you can have such a function (even if the app is quite huge / lots of functionality, nothing else of which I use): a long press on the main button locks display, another long press unlocks.
There is such an option in the Bubble config - and another option in advanced config to disable fallback to deactivate the lock by screen (not a good idea I think - but introduced because of the following problem: for a while the Google app, which is on that long-press by default, spoiled everything by putting a dialog in between to choose Google or Bubble - thus making it impossible to deactivate the lock again - but since Google app version 8.4 this is fixed).

Of course, it would be very nice, if Locus Wear app would support some button navigation then (I am sure any app can react to button events - if they exist - the Q Explorist has 3 buttons and the main button can be turned). Like:
- turning button to scroll between dashboard pages or zoom in/out in map view
- button 2 press to switch between map / dashboard
- button 3 to pause or stop/start (long press) in dashboard, jump to own location in map view

And of course I still hope to get some more dashboard values (if not configurable, then predefined) for different situations.

But I see there is not really much traffic here and you probably get the impression the Wear app is not really a very "hot" topic. And indeed: if not for Locus, I have not really a good use for the watch, that would justify the constant need to charge, be connected with phone and phone with mobile network. Thats only for people with lots of communication / notifications.. maybe not the biggest part of Locus users.
Anyways, thanks for maintaining the Wear app at least a bit.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on June 05, 2018, 15:49:34
@H Ifang Hello,
yes we have planned another update for the watch but there are some more important issues right now, so as you say, at least temporarily the wear development has lower priority but we still want to add some features to the wear add-on to make it truly helpful and usable.
I am glad the screen lock function helped you. It should be available by default in the top drop-down system menu, but personally I find it not very comfortable to use. But with wet display I guess there is no other choice then locking the touch.
As for HW button support it should already be implemented. The turning button should actually work exactly as you described. Other buttons function depends on your physical button configuration specific for your device type. Do turning button and other buttons do nothing for you?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: H Ifang on June 06, 2018, 11:12:55
Oops - seems I not really tested that Sorry! (got the touch-lock usable just shortly before and no occasion for real use yet; yes I also found a lock-function in the standard system settings now, but indeed not very practical).

So yes, turning the button does scroll and zoom - nice. But the other buttons do the same (except some start/pause as it seems in dashboard). I would prefer one button to switch between map and dashboard. And another maybe toggle between current position (in map) and advance a bit in current direction or so - maybe to near the border of the map depending on current zoom level - just an idea. Given this, nearly all functions (except moving map freely) could be used completely touch-less, right?

In the system settings of Explorist, I only find the possibility to put apps to start on the additional buttons. So nothing configurable that could possibly have influence on button use in apps like Locus. The Wear OS itself does not use the buttons very well: turning the main button also scrolls through settings e.g., but nothing can be selected by button. So no button-only use possible there.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on June 07, 2018, 08:36:16
@H Ifang
Switching between screens or screen/menu on button click is a good idea. Moving the map forward on button click is a little bit more specific. Honestly ideal solution would be to make the buttons configurable, so that's probably something I would like to implement in the future.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on June 14, 2018, 14:56:03
app on the phone  and the wear app is running.
i have finished the ride and close the phone app.

it say closed but it continues running  on the phone and gps drains the battery.

when i disconnect the watchbefore i close the app on the phone it is really closed.

possible to fix that?



the rest of the wear app still perfect. not one crash, use it 5 times a week. now with warmer temperature outside i get 10h displaying the map on my sony sw3
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on June 18, 2018, 12:47:47
@skwal Hello,
thanks for your feedback about usage and mainly battery life, 10 hours is an excellent result on SW3 I think.

I am not sure that I understand your problem with running app when you close Locus on the phone. Is Wear for Locus Map still running on the watch? Does Locus Map stop running eventually if you turn off Locus Map and then turn off Wear for Locus Map on the watch?
But I can confirm that if you turn off Locus Map on the phone while having Wear for Locus Map opened on the watch then Locus Map will just restart on the background because the watch still requests its services, that is the designed behavior.
Would you like maybe to have some dialog popup in the Locus Map saying that the watch is still connected and whether it should force kill the connection and then terminate Locus Map itself or something like that?