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Title: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 06, 2017, 19:50:53
Hello,
we have just released a beta version of Wear for Locus Map which is an add-on to Locus Map for your Android Wear watch and you are more than welcome to try it ;) Please see Wear for Locus Map on Google Play. (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asamm.locus.addon.wear)

The version is not a very polished yet and is released mainly for testing purposes. The application now supports

- Map screen with zoom controls and side navigation panel when navigation is active.
--- know issues - there are still some issues with rendering navigation track on the map, it is kind of huge compared to the rest of the map. And the navigation on the watch doesn't currently show usual question mark symbol when off track.

- Track recording
--- start/stop/pause/add waypoint controls + track recording profile select before the recording start
--- showing basic statistics of current recording

For Android Wear 1.x users
- install Wear for Locus Map on your mobile phone and wait a few minutes for your watch to synchronize. The application Locus Map should appear in your application menu.

For Android Wear 2.0 users
The add-on must be installed separately for your phone and watch because the add-on is not part of the Locus Map app itself so that we could keep the whole add-on independent/separated and mainly open-sourced. In order to install we recommend to
- install Wear for Locus Map on your mobile phone
- then install Wear for Locus Map on your Android Wear 2.0 from the watch Google Play. The application Locus Map should appear in your application menu.

Please share if you have any crashes, trouble with the communication between the device and the watch or generally any inconvenient behavior or user interface problems.
So enjoy the testing and thank you in advance for any feedback :)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 06, 2017, 20:46:38

made a short test.
working good

but one question: when the backlight on the watch switch off the map is inverted. on the "versions" in the past the maps are shown normaly
was this intended ?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 06, 2017, 21:52:34
Hello, thank you for such a quick feedback :)
Regarding the inverted map - yes it is intended, do you find it confusing?

When the backlight switches off the watch enters "ambient mode" and the controls should be disabled in this mode (i.e. zoom function of the map should not work in this mode). Same for track recording - screen goes black&white and controls disappear to let the user know, that the watch is in the ambient mode. The communication with the mobile phone stays on though and the screen refreshes regularly so there is still significant drain on battery even in this mode.

We could disable this feature but I think it is somehow customary to simplify the UI in ambient mode and go black&white or dark pallete when in this mode. But the whole point was for the app to be less confusing and let the user know of the switch to ambient so this feature is still up for a discussion.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 06, 2017, 23:10:00
Casio WSD-F20 (Android 2.6.0.176354550)
Application is super.
Missing: settings and using hardware buttons for zoom in and zoom out.
Navigation by gpx from application.
I can't reach menu for tracking when I'm in map.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 07, 2017, 09:23:20
Hello Peter,
thanks for the tip to support HW buttons for zoom function, this feature is really not implemented yet.

Could you please explain what do you mean by that you are missing navigation by gpx from application? The watch should simply receive navigation information from the phone app, so if you set up your navigation in Locus Map you should also automatically see navigation information on the map screen on the watch.

And what is your problem with reaching the menu? Navigation drawer should open when you swipe downwards from the very top of the screen. It doesn't work on map screen?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Carsten54 on December 07, 2017, 19:34:49
Hi all

I can't see a map on the watch. I only see the start button and the statistics. I can start and stop the recording. One bigger problem: The button "add waypoint" shows the message "waypoint added". But the message is shown until the watch is restarted.
Sony Smartwatch Android Wear 1.5
OnePlus X Android 6.01
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 07, 2017, 19:39:14
Hello, thank you for such a quick feedback :)
Regarding the inverted map - yes it is intended, do you find it confusing?.

Today i made a 2 hour test

app is working really good, no restart or something. way better than the past

yeah, i find it confusing. on the data screens its okay but not necessary.
on the map screen a lot auf maps infos are hard to see with the invertmode, in the normal mode it is much better even when backlight is off (testet the old version).
also in this invertmap mode you get big white areas because the maps on the phone show wood. look a bit like broken display
the refreshing in ambient mode is ok. i don´t really see any different to the normal mode on the maps screen refreshing.
maybe a option to deactivate the invert map mode ?

Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 08, 2017, 07:18:49
Hello Carsten54,
waypoint message should not get stuck, definitely a bug. Thank you for reporting this, I will try to fix it in the next version.
Map is accessible form the navigation drawer which should pop up when you swipe downwards from the very top of the screen. The drawer also opens the first time you open the app, but I see this is also somewhat confusing :/
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 08, 2017, 07:37:48
Ok guys, I see there are some usability problems, so I would be really glad to know your opinion on

Or if you have some other idea on how you would like the app to behave then please let me also know :) Thank you

P.S. skwal thanks for the test. I definitely see your problems with inverted map.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 08, 2017, 08:21:19
Hi milan.cejnar

Okey I found, how I can reach menu from map. Ok when I started navigation from  locus(mobile) I saw navigation points. Is it possible add suport for standalone application for navigation? Watch has gps and barometer.

I found problem in application :  when i'm in map and watch go to sleep after  wake up is map in same position mobile has changed position but watch not. I must click on zoom in/out and map  has refreshed and show correctly position.

For inspiration see ViewRanger watch app :) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.augmentra.viewranger.android
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 08, 2017, 10:44:07

1. Inverted map in ambient mode - probably just get rid of it completely. Only the zoom buttons would hide and navigation bar would turn black&white to notify about ambient mode and map would stay the same?
3. Maybe with an improvement that the app would open to the last screen you have visited last time so that you wouldn't have to go through the main menu every time you open the app?


Both sounds good for me


The menu drawer on the top is a good thing in my mind.  you should make it more clear how it works in the app description.
on a round watch it isn´t that logical as on my square wtach
On the data screen is it possible to show the time and the % of the phone battery ?

Today i tested it 3 hours. No  errors or so
But one question
Autorotation: is it deactivated? tried different option (autorotation, screen on, etc) on the phone and different zoomleves on the watch, the watchmap never rotate
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Carsten54 on December 08, 2017, 20:30:34
Map is accessible form the navigation drawer which should pop up when you swipe downwards from the very top of the screen. The drawer also opens the first time you open the app, but I see this is also somewhat confusing :/
Sorry   ::)
Thank you for the hint. So easy, but difficult to find.   ;)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 10, 2017, 10:48:00
@Peter Jurík,
could you please describe the problem with the map getting stuck a bit more? From my testing I see that map either goes to ambient mode after a while and keeps receiving updates or, if ambient is disabled, the watch goes to sleep and then after wake up application starts again and returns to track recording screen by default (right now it should not remember that map was actually opened previously). Do you use ambient mode (darkened screen/inverted map) or does your watch really return to map screen after wake up automatically?
Standalone function will not be supported in this version. What would you expect from standalone application? Would basic track recording functionality be enough?

@skwal,
thank you for testing. The navigation drawer should really be more advertised, we will try to make it more clear that it is there.
Autorotation of the map is currently disabled for the watch, but thanks for lettting us know, that you would be interested in this feature.

@Carsten54,
you are welcome :) We will let the navigation drawer peek for a little while every time any screen is shown to remind users that it is there. Thinking of adding some kind of intro/tutorial screen in the future.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 11, 2017, 21:45:14
@milan.cejnar

I have run Locus on mobile as service. Ambient mode in watch is disabled. When I run locus on watch after wake up point with my gps on same postion before sleep. I must zoom in/out app for refresh data.

Step for test:
1. Run mobile Locus as service home button and set to sleep
2.  Watch run to map
3. Watch going to sleep
4.  must go away from previous position
5.  after cca 10 minutes wake up watch
6. mobile is refresh application and maps, watch still on same position before sleep
When you needed , I should add video.

Feature:
1. recording to watch and sync locus it will be nice feature
2. upload route to watch and navigation by route , and warning when i'm off route will be very nice feature, caching maps around gpx for standalone using
3. show elevation and gps position will be fine not needed.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 12, 2017, 17:57:20
tested it agian for 3 hours

few minutes after the start my sony smartwatch restarts. i don´t know why, because of locus, maybe because it was so cold outside, i don´t know

an hour later the map on the watch was in the ambient mode but didn´t refresh since a few minutes
tapping on the screen did not work, menu drawer also don´t work
locus stayed in the mode with light off. think the app was frozen
swipe to the side to the watch menu, light goes on and everything incl locus worked again.
happend only on time
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 13, 2017, 08:18:14
@skwal
that is odd. And the map was in the ambient mode and zoom buttons were hidden? Because in ambient mode the touch screen should be disabled and the app should be woken up from the ambient first (by button/wrist gesture etc.) It would explain why application seemed unresponsive - swipe to dismiss the application should have not been working either though. Not receiving updates to the map is definitely a bug.

@Peter Jurík
thanks for a description of the problem, something is definitely wrong, will look into it.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 14, 2017, 15:47:52
@skwal
that is odd. And the map was in the ambient mode and zoom buttons were hidden? Because in ambient mode the touch screen should be disabled and the app should be woken up from the ambient first (by button/wrist gesture etc.) It would explain why application seemed unresponsive - swipe to dismiss the application should have not been working either though. Not receiving updates to the map is definitely a bug.

i can´t tell you
i was on the bike and it was in the evening. so the display was hard to read
but when in ambient mode the display can´t be woken up by tap my watch is most of the time not in ambient mode. the display is inverted but i can always wake my watch by tapping on it.
and am happy with that. my watch core is mounted on the bike, so no side button or a really tiny one and also gesture deactiveted

edit: small testride: the watch is in ambient mode, map inverted, zoom buttons hidden.
But i can wake it by tapping on the screen
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on December 15, 2017, 20:47:25

the crash of the watch at the first Start happend again today.

whats new in the new Version?
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 16, 2017, 19:55:41
@skwal I have sent you a PM regarding the bug

Anyway, new beta version doesn't really bring any new features, it's mostly some bug fixes and optimalizations and small UI changes. There will still be some issues until new version of Locus Map comes out. But all in all I would say the add-on is almost ready for release and we plan to keep working on it gradually adding new features and improvements in the next months.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: Peter Jurík on December 21, 2017, 16:52:30
@milan

Hi,

Latest version is for me stable. I 'm using with sleep mode. When watch are woken up application is correctly showing my position.

I'm looking forward for zooming with hardware buttons and other features.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on December 22, 2017, 09:33:12
Hello guys,
I have just published version 1.0.0 of the add-on. Again no new features but this should be really stable release and is intended to be used with the last Locus Map v3.28.0.
We plan to start gradually adding some new features now that the add-on is (hopefully) stable enough.

Please if you will have any problems with the add-on and you use Locus Map v3.28.0 then I will be glad if you report it here or since it is no longer beta you can also report it as usual to our help desk help.locusmap.eu

If you really want some new feature and you will find the time please add it as usual as an idea to our help desk so that others could vote and we could see which features would be preferred.

Finally feel free to continue this thread or even start a new thread here at the forum if you have any general feedback and/or interesting topic regarding wear add-on which you would want to discuss :)

Hope you will find the add-on useful and will enjoy using it during your outdoor activities :)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: mzperx on December 24, 2017, 15:59:09
Hi Milan,

thank you for this addon! Saturday I did a 3 hour workout with this addon and it worked fine. It was stable and fast. I used 1.5 hours with "display always on" mode and 1.5 hours with "display always on" disabled. In the first case the application consumed abut 10% battery and in the second case about 35%.
I have Nexus 5x with Android 8 and Samsung Gear Live with Android Wear 1.5.
One can use "always on" mode in workouts <3 hours and for longer workouts the "always on" mode should be disabled.
 
Some suggestions:
#Wet clothes can cause unexpected touches on the screen this is why better if you put recording controls to different page or combine the controls with unimportant statistical data in this case the user will not leave the screen here and it will not cause any unexpected touch a trouble with recording.
#Device and wear battery level indicators and/or alerts,
#configurable statistical data (what I want to see in the stat panel is depends on the workout),
#configurable ambient mode (invert mode on/off)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 03, 2018, 19:23:29
Hi everybody,

Is this forum topic the best and only place for finding all useful info about the use of Locus with an Android wear watch ?

I have not yet such a watch, at this time, so I should be very interested to see a short list of the best suitable models for Locus, and pros/cons of each models...
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: mzperx on January 04, 2018, 10:29:37
@sbouju

I think there is no "the best suitable models for Locus". The addon can run on newer and on older devices too. I have Samsung Gear Live (it was released in 2014) and the addon works fine for me.
There is no special requirements for the watch because this addon is only a visual extension of the phone applicaton. It doesn't use any special hardware of the watch (eg. hearth rate/gps etc...) it shows only what the phone collected.
I suggest that you choose a watch what best fits your requirements (functionality/looks like etc...) and then you can ask it here may someone has experience with that watch with Locus.
The only thing what I would consider if bought a watch the hardware buttons. In my experience the touch screen is unusable when it raining. The actual addon doesn't support buttons but maybe it will in the future.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 04, 2018, 11:50:45
>> I suggest that you choose a watch what best fits your requirements (functionality/looks like etc...) and then you can ask it here may someone has experience with that watch with Locus.

As an ex-Casio watches addict, but living now (and happy) with a (not-Android-wear) Garmin fenix 2, one I should consider attentively among some others is this under...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PoUAAOSwMvtZRUC-/s-l400.jpg)

Anyway, see under a very satisfying LocusWrist solution ;)

(http://img110.xooimage.com/files/b/d/3/wechatimg62-53b6bd6.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on January 04, 2018, 12:29:21
I can confirm that all watches running Android Wear should be supported. The add-on is currently intended as a companion app to the Locus Map running on the phone so there are no special HW requirements for the watch. Support of HW buttons and "rotating side button" is planned.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 05, 2018, 10:37:49
Tested yesterday in some physical stores around me: the main problem is that it is difficult to know if such or such "smart watch" they sell is working under Android Wear 2.0 or not... And vendors generally don't know!
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 07, 2018, 11:15:59
Does somebody knows if the Xiaomi Amazfit "Pace 2" and "Pace 2S" watches are (will be?) 100% OK for this purpose...?

(https://s18.postimg.org/imxpr6j51/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.13.05.png) (https://postimg.org/image/imxpr6j51/)

(https://s18.postimg.org/a5y7gnbzp/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.27.18.png) (https://postimg.org/image/a5y7gnbzp/)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on January 07, 2018, 13:33:18
Does somebody knows if the Xiaomi Amazfit "Pace 2" and "Pace 2S" watches are (will be?) 100% OK for this purpose...?

(https://s18.postimg.org/imxpr6j51/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.13.05.png) (https://postimg.org/image/imxpr6j51/)

(https://s18.postimg.org/a5y7gnbzp/Screen_Shot_2018-01-07_at_11.27.18.png) (https://postimg.org/image/a5y7gnbzp/)

just check for android wear. so No


Testet the newest versions many times: no crash at start and no other problems. just working.

My only whish: rotating map on the watch.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 07, 2018, 13:52:56
>>just check for android wear. so No

Thanks...

And same thing with the Sony SmartWatch3 SWR50, I fear...



Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: milan.cejnar on January 08, 2018, 08:03:44
@sbouju
Sony SmartWatch3 is not Android Wear watch, but it might by supported by a different add-on which Menion made, but I would have to ask. Anyway we would like to concentrate our support to Android Wear for now, so for Locus I would recommend Android Wear instead.

Sorry, my mistake. Menion pointed out that Sony SmartWatch3 is running Android Wear actually. I checked our device compatibility list and Sony SmartWatch3 should be supported by the Wear for Locus Map add-on.

Maybe please start another topic here at the forum if you want to recommend some watch by other users.

You can find some AW watch here
https://www.android.com/wear/
or here
https://www.amazon.com/b?node=15203391011

Android Wear tends to be a bit more expensive than the watch you have posted unfortunately. Depending on your region, these AW watches might be quite affordable - Moto 360 2gen, LG Watch Sport, Huawei Watch 2, Asus ZenWatch 3 (not so much outdoor/fitness)
But there are many other, please see links above and feel free to start a new topic to get some more recommendations from other users.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on January 08, 2018, 22:42:41

i´m usung the sony sw3
working great. and you can get it really cheap when you buy used
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: sbouju on January 11, 2018, 13:58:23
made a short test...

Made a short test too, with my fresh Sony SmartWatch3, so I just begin to discover this "Wear for Locus Map beta application", and Android Wear itself !   :)


(https://s14.postimg.org/3qx7fsfp9/2018-01-11_14.27.28.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/3qx7fsfp9/)
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: strandedeuropean on January 12, 2018, 14:49:07
Hi there, first of all thanks for the addon, finally a reason for me to buy a smartwatch  ;)

My main use case for locusmap is mountain biking. What I heavily use is the Strava Heatmap Biking Map as an overlay to an offline map.

Sadly this overlay isn't working properly with the wear addon. The overlay disappears as soon the map get's refreshed (phone->watch) while the phone display is turned off.

Is that a bug or do I need to change some settings?

Phone: oneplus 5 with Android 8.0.0
Watch: Fossil Q Control
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: menion on January 12, 2018, 15:08:57
Hello,
this definitely looks like a problem in Locus Map itself, not an add-on. I'll check it, thanks.
Title: Re: Wear for Locus Map beta testing
Post by: skwal on January 12, 2018, 22:31:34
Hello,
this definitely looks like a problem in Locus Map itself, not an add-on. I'll check it, thanks.

yes, the overlay in the app is also not correct
on some positions it shows the correct overlay, on other positons lines which are to thick to see anything and on other positions it shows nothing.

tested the wear app 18 hours this week. not only one problem.