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21. 12. 2016 - Locus 3.21.0 - new version
- Blog post about major version: blog post (http://www.locusmap.eu/news-version-3-21-0)
- Detailed list of news: list of news (http://help.locusmap.eu/announcement/version-3-21-0-21-12-2016)

26. 1. 2016 - Locus 3.21.0.5 - new version
- BETA version
- news after app start

5. 1. 2016 - Locus 3.21.0.1 - new version
- BETA version
- news after app start

10. 1. 2016 - Locus 3.21.1 - new version
- news after app start

Thanks.
But new share screen is buggy. If I try to share coord.info link, the phone is asking how to open this... browser or locus itself.
No

Awesome release. Have a great Christmas and rest without thinking about Locus for a while. That new what3words system looks amazing.

@Diddi: you share a cache with coord.info and you see Locus Map itself or an "Import cache to Locus Map", which is Geocaching4Locus application? And what exactly is a problem with it?

@Andrew Heard: thanks, glad it works mostly (except some remaining issues on 4.4 Android in 3D Skyplot > will probably have to display it for 4.x devices). Ahh rest is coming :). Nice Christmas to you too!

Quote from: menion on December 22, 2016, 10:57:12
@Diddi: you share a cache with coord.info and you see Locus Map itself or an "Import cache to Locus Map", which is Geocaching4Locus application? And what exactly is a problem with it?

The problem is that I cannot forward this coord.info Link to a mail or Whatsapp contact. How to send somebody the link the a cache in new version?

Is it a bug or feature, that some of the maps from providers.xml are actively hidden since 3.21?

@Diddi: hmm understand, good point, thanks, I'll check it

@axelpix: in latest version is completely blocked access to Kompass.de servers as they do not offer any freely available access to their maps (and they are provided over Locus Map itself with cooperation of Kompass.de team) . More maps will probably come later .

Problem with locus url linking at

http://www.freizeitkarte-osm.de/android/de/mitteleuropa.html

Die Website unter locus-actions://http/download.freizeitkarte-osm.de/android/latest/locus_install_map_freizeitkarte_deu+west.xml konnte nicht geladen, weil:

net::ERR_UNKNOWN_URL_SCHEME

@Diddi,

For me it works.
I think you should try this.
If you open the download link of the Freizeitkarte for Android click at the Locus symbol.

locus-actions://http/download.freizeitkarte-osm.de/android/latest/locus_install_map_freizeitkarte_deu+west.xml

The symbols of the Freizeitkarte are very, very tiny.  :o

@Diddi: hmm good point with coords.info. Currently I made it that Locus Map share link as "url", so it offer open in browser or geocaching4locus. But in the end, it does not make sense. You already have this cache in Locus (because you share it from Locus), so there is no need to open web page or download cache again by this method. So improved and in next version it will be shared as "plain text" so hangout or any text messanger should appear as option to share, thanks.

Problem with greizeitkarte ... hmm "ERR_UNKNOWN_URL_SCHEME" should appear also in case, you tap on "Download to Locus" button in desktop/PC web browser and not on Android device. If this happen in Android itself, what web browser you use?

I'm using opera mini.. . Download to Locus was working fine in old version.

@menion (sorry I can't find original help topic although wasn't very long ago) you made changes so start of navigation was more reliable - yesterday I did "normal" ride, I used "Navigate To" function, but navigation never commenced, big question mark icon remained, even when I was cycling directly on-track for some time, until I tapped on Recalculate button.

start of navigation:
(https://s28.postimg.org/69ku27g3d/image.png) (https://postimg.org/image/69ku27g3d/)
still guiding although direct over track for 30+ seconds:
(https://s23.postimg.org/f06hpp9pj/image.png) (https://postimg.org/image/f06hpp9pj/)
gave up waiting so I tapped on Recalculate:
(https://s28.postimg.org/r7r00afy1/image.png) (https://postimg.org/image/r7r00afy1/)

@Diddi: hmm opera mini is most data-friendly browser, but I'm worried it won't work correctly in this case. Please try some default stock browser for example, it should work correctly then

@Andrew Heard: Locus is not perfect :). Suggest to tap not on recalculate, but on next "nearest". This is reason why this button exists in navigation menu.

Quote from: menion on December 23, 2016, 08:08:57
@Andrew Heard: Locus is not perfect :). Suggest to tap not on recalculate, but on next "nearest". This is reason why this button exists in navigation menu.

@menion - sure - but you did make recent changes, so I'm just reporting that Locus is still not quite perfect. Once I begin navigation it would be good not to sometimes need another 2 taps (question>nearest) to get it properly working, especially when starting position is so close (< 100m) to the calculated route. I thought Locus should go into Guidance mode until the route is quite close then it automatically switch to Navigation mode? I figure Locus is already periodically performing background "nearest" function until navigation is operational because in one recent test the nav icon switches between question mark & turn-icon a few times until stable?

I wasn't checking your screenshots precisely. Now seems that on second screenshot, Locus has enabled guidance to some point that is really far away. You see small blue arrows to north-east (https://postimg.org/image/f06hpp9pj/)? So question to me is, why Locus Maps started navigation to such distant trackpoint. At start of navigation, Locus check all trackpoints and pick the closest. Later, due to battery/speed savings, only some around last active are checked, but in this case it looks like a problem with selecting first trackpoint.

Heh, do you found ads in tapatalk really enoying like I found? I've today updated tapatalk plugin for this forum as it complained that it's quite old and well, I've found new button ... "disable ads". And it seems to work, nice :).

Quote from: menion on December 23, 2016, 10:47:55
I wasn't checking your screenshots precisely. Now seems that on second screenshot, Locus has enabled guidance to some point that is really far away

@menion - nice observation - I missed that too. Very interesting. When I see that live Guidance mode again I'll take more notice. Below is reconstructed map zoomed out to show 2 via points and final point. That guidance line seems to be pointing to either via points or final point - I added black line in approximate direction to explain. Any other suggestion I can help report?
(https://s27.postimg.org/yad6uiuxr/2016_12_24_08_33_34.png) (https://postimg.org/image/yad6uiuxr/)

Quote from: 0709 on December 24, 2016, 17:41:51
@Menion@Andrew.
Not 100% sure but maybe next suggestion will help ?
Locus, on any navigation track, should promote the Start Point to be a Priority Point. So not a "Navigation Point Straight" as in actual versions. I only have the most positive experience by (manually) adding the Start point to be a  Priority Point.

I performed start of navigation sequence 3 times yesterday, trying to reproduce the problem. But each time it worked properly. @0709 I use navigation settings: auto-recalculation:off, strict route following:off. I don't think Priority Point will help with this combination?

Hi Menion,
I did not do a systematic check, but still have the impression that rendering of labels is unpredictable. Even display=always does not help.
Mapsforge, however, has solved the problem, and you can see the impressive result in Cruiser.
In advanced settings go for "Separate" rendering. No missed labels anymore.
I think there is more than one reson you might want to have a 1:1 conversation with Emux ...
Have a nice Xmas break first of all
Michael

Quote from: michaelbechtold on December 25, 2016, 10:47:55Mapsforge, however, has solved the problem

I don't know where the rest of this conversation is, but it gives me hope.  I would LOVE for major labels (eg a city) to not disappear at certain zooms, especially when I'm lost over the map and trying to *find* that city.

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to all

Quote from: Viajero Perdido on December 25, 2016, 18:11:42
I would LOVE for major labels (eg a city) to not disappear at certain zooms, especially when I'm lost over the map and trying to *find* that city.

+1

Quote from: 0709 on December 25, 2016, 21:02:14
@ Andrew. Your combination set up in use probably should not show an improvement.

@0709 - I wasn't expecting improvement, I was just reporting that problem is difficult to reproduce, 3 times OK, 1 time NOK. I did finally notice the auto-toggling between navigation and guiding modes, but I didn't have map zoomed out far enough (yet) to see where the far away guiding point was located. I suspect it is guiding towards the finish point instead of start point.

@michaelbechtold: if we talk about labels in vector maps then yes, I may confirm that they are not working on 100%

@Andrew Heard, @0709 ., I'm sorry, I'm still also unable to reproduce a problem with start of navigation, which means no way to fix it.

Search options are not all displayed now. Despite being in full screen mode, the soft buttons bar appears and make the bottom of the options menu, which will not scroll far enough. Phone: MotoG.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161230/7235be3d61ce9cbbcbb75f5c70eb7d2e.jpg)

That's after tap and move as far as it can go up. The problem is linked to the soft button bar appearing at the bottom.

Ah it's coming ... last night of year :). Well, it's ... sixth year since start of our work on Locus Map, nice. To be true, I'm often surprised, that You all had enough patience to stay active and nice to me and others, for all these years. You have my big thanks, because no matter what some of you something think (like "he never do important topics from help desk" or "he lives in lowland area only" etc. :) ), your support and feedback has really major influence on app itself. Without you, I should probably already work in some software company where after eight hour of work, tradááá home with clear head :).

Anyway, Thanks! and see You all next year. I have partially done a few interesting things, but none is finished, so I hope, this year will be good for some completion ...

@john_percy : John I'm sorry, it is one of many smaller issues that Locus has with "full screen" mode. Even after all these years, I was not able to find out how to solve it ..

@menion: can you make the menu scroll further than (apparently) necessary to give margin for this sort of thing?

Quote from: menion on December 31, 2016, 17:02:37
Anyway, Thanks! and see You all next year. I have partially done a few interesting things, but none is finished, so I hope, this year will be good for some completion ...

I don't know of any other Android app that has such great developers. Best wishes for 2017.

Also great wishes for 2017 for menion and his team! Keep up the great work!
Btw.: nice fireworks in Prague this night! 😀 Did you see it also, menion?

Have a good new year menion! Many thanks to you and your team and at all Locus-friends, especially Arndt (Brouter), Christian und Tobias (openandromaps)! This ist a wonderful and exceptional project! Best regards from Berlin!

Thanks guys :).

@john_percy: hmm interesting idea, I'll look at it ...

@Andrew Heard: thanks Adrew, to you too. And "such great" ... it should be a lot better, trust me. I'm many times surprised that it simply work :)

@zossebart: heh you was ( are ) in Prague over these days? As I'm against fireworks, I was already sleeping in 23:00 and where I live it's not so bad so it was calm night :)

Yes, got the trip to prague as a christmas gift from my wife. I haven't spent a cent for fireworks for myself in years, but looking at the "official" one from a boat near charles bridge was a great experience!

I offer my thanks and best wishes to menion and all who work to make LocusMap what it is.  It has given me so much pleasure to use with OpenStreetMap that allows me to continue my love of cartography in a practical way.  Long may it continue.   

Hello menion
with current version "share" a POI or a geocache didn´t work neither as "Text message" nor as "KML file"
shared is only text few KB e.g.
/sdcard/Locus/cache/export/sharePointAsKml.kml
in following thread  you wrote it´s fixed
http://help.locusmap.eu/topic/sharing-a-geocache-with-whatsapp-not-possible
so for now i didn´t know also my problems are solved in next version?

Good day balloni55,
problem with KML sharing seems to be little bit different. New Locus is sharing link to exported KML file incorrectly (as you wrote only as text). Issue found and will be fixed in next version as well, thanks!

@menion - recall issue with commencing navigation mode - sometimes unreliable, sometimes won't start at all even when position directly over route, but couldn't reproduce? I think I have figured out how to reproduce: it seems that navigation mode will commence even when GPS position is not even known, and is instead based on last known GPS position.
Below - last known GPS position was at end of ride (top/ right). I then turned off GPS and went back to home (bottom/ left). I then intentionally shielded phone from valid GPS signal (orange icon) and initiated navigation mode. Locus incorrectly starts navigation based on invalid last known GPS position, and the next turn (U turn) is invalid - this turn is at the end of the route, not the beginning.
(https://s24.postimg.org/50470bd8x/map.png) (https://postimg.org/image/50470bd8x/)
(https://s24.postimg.org/f1ietisn5/sat.png) (https://postimg.org/image/f1ietisn5/)
Navigation or even guiding mode should not commence until GPS position is valid & icon is green?

Good day Andrew, very good observation! Navigation & Guiding really used also network location (orange icon) for it's work. So let's try improved it in next version of Locus Map ;). Thanks!

It took a few weeks of different ideas trying to simulate the problem. Really just discovered by accident. Thanks.

That's why I love this developer-user cooperation :).

Btw. I've just published new beta version this morning so you may try it in future ...

Quote from: john_percy on December 31, 2016, 18:35:17
@menion: can you make the menu scroll further than (apparently) necessary to give margin for this sort of thing?

Now sorted in the new beta, thanks

Quote from: menion on January 05, 2017, 18:26:46
Btw. I've just published new beta version this morning so you may try it in future ...

@menion - just tested navigation with 3.21.0.1 but have to report same problem. Here's my test: airplane mode:on, wifi:off, ride to end of route, wait for green GPS icon, turn off Locus. Ride to start of route, turn on Locus, and before GPS is green select the route, choose navigation. I still observe invalid navigation turn instruction before Locus knows the current location.

GPS at end of route:
(https://s30.postimg.org/ywwubrv0t/1_GPS_at_end.png) (https://postimg.org/image/ywwubrv0t/)

GPS back near start of route, lat/lon very similar to end of route (as expected):
(https://s30.postimg.org/e1ak0iytp/2_GPS_at_start.png) (https://postimg.org/image/e1ak0iytp/)

Navigation to invalid turn because invalid position assumed:
(https://s30.postimg.org/s908p6bil/3_navigation.png) (https://postimg.org/image/s908p6bil/)

Thanks for testing! .. hmm weird,
two questions:
- you have started navigation before GPS was turned on or after?
- you started navigation from detail of track (then Locus Map search for nearest trackpoint based on your current position) or you tapped on "Navigate" in small popup menu directly on map (in this case, currently selected trackpoint is "target")

Change in latest version is, that if "GPS source" is enabled in Locus, then "network locations" (indicated by orange GPS icon) are simply ignored. So if Locus Map started navigation on incorrect trackpoint, it may be because navigation was started before GPS in Locus was started (then current map center was used) or you tapped somewhere to end of track and started navigation from map popup. .. or something is still wrong, hmm.

V 3.21.0.1
Hello menion

Quotewith current version "share" a POI or a geocache didn´t work

i see a little improvement ;) but i think ther is additional work for you....

"Text message"
- if i have no satfix or gps is off and i want to add "altitude" which is available in POI or Geocache, message appeares "gps signal not available" :-[

"KML file" you write Pack all info into a single file and share it
- share a geocache i get: coords, cache name, cache type, diff, ter.... nothing more!
- share a POI i get: coords, POI name, link to attachement , but no attachement!

Thanks balloni,
shared "as text" was based on sharing certain location (point), but elevation and accuracy was always from GPS, stupid. So elevation will be now correctly for shared coordinates. I've removed "accuracy" value because we share map center, not GPS location. I also believe it's used really rarely and also "accuracy value" can't be much trusted.

"Share as KML" ... fixed by enabling compression to KMZ, which include attachments. And missing info about geocache ... well, you probably know, but KML files do not have support for geocaches, so it is not simply! possible to add all geocaching data into KML file, thanks for understanding.

Quote from: menion on January 06, 2017, 06:53:44
- you have started navigation before GPS was turned on or after?

I started navigation after GPS was turned on but before any signal - see 3rd screencap

Quote from: menion on January 06, 2017, 06:53:44
- you started navigation from detail of track (then Locus Map search for nearest trackpoint based on your current

Ride to end of route, wait for green GPS icon, turn off Locus. Ride to start of route, turn on Locus, enable GPS but before GPS is green tap on track displayed on main screen map, tap on Navigate/Guide button at bottom, tap on Navigate.

what I will do for more information is make a new simplified "navigation" track with only  2 unique turn instructions, one near each end (eg. start turn=left, end turn=U-turn), then when I commence navigation it is 100% clear from which location the displayed turn instruction is found.

Thanks Andrew. I've added to Locus one more check on correct location, so we will see. Otherwise it will have to wait till in middle Europe will better temperature, so I'll check it in the field.

V3.21.1

Quoteshared "as text"

thanks for improvement :)

Quote"Share as KML" ... fixed by enabling compression to KMZ

- share a POI as kmz file work :)
- naming is always "sharePointAsKml" and not the name of the POI, so if more POI´s are shared its unclear
- if POI has an attached picture, the picture is added als to kmz/files :) but not visible e.g. on GE, reason: missing <description> CDATA :-[
if i add it manualy to kml it work as expected
e.g.

Quote<description><![CDATA[<font color="black"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" align="center"><a href="files/_1483088098096.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="files/_1483088098096.jpg" width="250px" align="right" style="border: 3px white solid;"></a><br />]]></description>

"share" to file explorer to an internal folder of the device didnt work, i didn´t know it´s necessary but selection is possible

Quote from: menion on January 09, 2017, 13:31:01
Thanks Andrew. I've added to Locus one more check on correct location, so we will see. Otherwise it will have to wait till in middle Europe will better temperature, so I'll check it in the field.

Testing with 3.21.1 Pro. Actually latest test is quite simple, even in winter. Create track where start point is inside building or other Faraday cage so no GPS signal, then direct line to end point 100m away. Now walk to end of track & wait until GPS position is accurate. Disable GPS. Walk to start of track (no GPS signal available), enable GPS, select Locus track > Navigate: observe that Locus "thinks" it is already at end based on the big Navigation icon. I think (on reflection) this has been problem when navigation has not started reliably from mid-track pause (eg lunch or shopping).

Locus incorrectly thinks at end of track already:
(https://s27.postimg.org/o93ao0ynj/bad.png) (https://postimg.org/image/o93ao0ynj/)

Now GPS has position, and 2nd navigation attempt is correct:
(https://s27.postimg.org/a3xhm7pm7/good.png) (https://postimg.org/image/a3xhm7pm7/)

Hello Menion,
First of all happy new year (even if it's already a bit late ;)) and keep on your excellent work!

Since the last version I have a problem with the automatic movement of a geocache after logging it. I have a folder "home" where I put in (to-do) geocaches for this region.
My settings for logging are "always log offline" and "move to folder" (i.e. "logging") after logging.
After my (offline) log only a copy is created in the "logging" folder, but it is not moved from the "home" folder and so I have the cache as logged in both folders.

And by the way, could it be possible to integrate a possibility to have a second selection what to do after an online and an offline log? (very special suggestion I guess).
Explanation how I normally log. To-do caches in "home", offline (found but still to log online) caches in "logging" (just to find them quicker after a long caching day) and folder "logs" after online (final) log sent to the website.

Best regards

@balloni55:
- "naming" - improved
- link to attachment in description should be also fixed (I've not tested it, but should be)
- and problem with "share" .. hmm this seems to be more a problem of your file explorer in case, we talk about > what happen after you selection from list of "share" options

@Andrew Heard:
Cannot say that it's easy for me to run outside in -10°C with phone connected to notebook ... :).

Anyway your never-ending hope to make this works force me to test and test and I've found one more issue in handling locations from network & GPS. So in next version, next attempt, thanks!!

@JoxM,
thanks, I'll try :). Happy to You too!
Thanks for bug report. I've missed this and have to say that this one was hard :). Anyway fixed!

Quote from: menion on January 12, 2017, 10:42:58
Cannot say that it's easy for me to run outside in -10°C with phone connected to notebook ... :).

@menion - just curious - why do you need notebook for outside test?

With phone connected to my PC, I'm able to stop Locus in moment I need ( like a "pause" of video) and see content of all variables, what happen, what will happen etc. So I may see for example why is location from "network" source added to navigation system etc. Simply saying ... with device connected to PC, I'm able to fix things. Because of this, best possible method how to fix any problem, is when I'm able to simulate it on own device.

EDIT: anyway I was joking about running outside with notebook. I have heave 17'' one, so it's not simply possible :)

(http://www.onlinesecurity-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/man-running-with-a-computer-242x300.jpg)

Quote from: menion on January 13, 2017, 13:58:55
EDIT: anyway I was joking about running outside with notebook. I have heave 17'' one, so it's not simply possible :)

nice - remote debugging. BTW Europe was mentioned on Australian news last night - more severe winter :-[

Hello,
I cannot import in Locus gpx files created with 2 different software.
Never ending analysis ...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170114/52d93df388d5f74f719cbc117a41e0c3.jpg)
Then crash.
Crash reported with log

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Please share a file that cause you problems, thanks.

track from garmin forerunner, fit file converted in gpx with gpsbabel.
Other gpx file converted from fit to gpx with sporttracks same issue.
The import with previous version was ok, with the same files, some days ago I imported without problems.

Thanks for a file, unfortunately I see no problem on own device. May you please send this crash report once more and into comment write your nickname so I'll be able to find it, thanks!

Quote from: menion on January 15, 2017, 09:46:27
Thanks for a file, unfortunately I see no problem on own device. May you please send this crash report once more and into comment write your nickname so I'll be able to find it, thanks!

Crash report with log and lor74cas in text field sent

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Thanks, interesting issue. Seems you are importing a file from Google Drive? When you browse content of Google Drive directly in Locus Map, there is no problem?
I see in log where issue happen, but do not know why. Seems that Locus Map get response from Google Drive that access is invalid. Locus then try to acquire new valid access which ends correctly, but next request ends again as "invalid" ... and again and again ... till app crash because recognize infinite loop.

Quote from: menion on January 15, 2017, 12:57:31
Thanks, interesting issue. Seems you are importing a file from Google Drive? When you browse content of Google Drive directly in Locus Map, there is no problem?
I see in log where issue happen, but do not know why. Seems that Locus Map get response from Google Drive that access is invalid. Locus then try to acquire new valid access which ends correctly, but next request ends again as "invalid" ... and again and again ... till app crash because recognize infinite loop.

It's very strange, gpx files are on SD, not on gdrive.
But the error you found was helpful, I logged out and back in gdrive and now all works fine.
Thank you Menion it wasn't necessary a so quick fix, it's Sunday, it's time to use Locus outside.

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Perfect, glad to hear it! For me it looks like some problem on Google Drive side, anyway issue should be handled in Locus no matter what happen. I'll try to improve it little bit. Biggest problem anyway seems to be, that Locus loads Drive directory even that you do not need it. I'll have to rewrite this "File browser" to something similar that I made to "Search screen" few months ago, where only single page is loaded/visible at once.

:)

(https://s27.postimg.org/th5nmghgv/beta1rsz.png) (https://postimg.org/image/th5nmghgv/)

Aaa damn, thank you!!!

Hello menion
some impression from first atempt to use ALPHA profiles
- first i add the function to side panel :)
- i add a profile with > shift map screen center and rotate map
- after activation i get a green info which profile is loaded 8) and additional a orange info "option works only if map rotation is on :-[ map rotation is set in this profile, so info is unnecessary

- how can i go back to basic profile?  :P
- my idea, create a second profile without any content to switch back to basic profile didn´t work

- next i add other option to this second profile as set in first one e.g. without shift map center, but options didn´t change if i activate second profil, mapcenter is furthermore shifted.

User can´t see which profile is active, so after longer time or new start of locus used profile should be visible, my idea: add used profil icon on top of current profil icon, or alternate both icons after a few seconds

Hello,
"profiles" is problematic name. Think about it more like about "Quickly set certain settings". Tap on any profile simply means, that Locus Map loads all predefined settings and activate them. So best is to have one "Base" profile where will be defined settings you wants to use during basic usage and next profiles for certain situations, like navi, geocaching etc.

@menion can you please explain a little how to use/ test new profiles? Will profile be linked to mode of operation?

Hmm if it's not clear now how to use it, then I have to do it differently ...

Maybe obvious to everyone else. Release notes link to help topic with much much discussion but not end result. Backup and restore selected settings? Can you please provide just one example.

Hi guys,
yesterday evening I've just published new Beta version 3.21.1.4.

- firstly there are some improvements in current version of "Presets" ( previously "Profiles"), so give it another try. Think about this feature only as about shortcut to set more parameters at once, not like changing Locus Map to completely different mode (profile) and later back.

- second ... these from you, who use downloading system for maps on 3rd party servers, like OpenAndroMaps and some others, please try to download these maps directly to Locus, if all works fine for You. Same system is not used for HGT files directly for items in Locus Store, so you may try it as well.

Quote from: menion on January 22, 2017, 07:19:54
Hi guys,
yesterday evening I've just published new Beta version 3.21.1.4.

- firstly there are some improvements in current version of "Presets" ( previously "Profiles"), so give it another try. Think about this feature only as about shortcut to set more parameters at once, not like changing Locus Map to completely different mode (profile) and later back.

- second ... these from you, who use downloading system for maps on 3rd party servers, like OpenAndroMaps and some others, please try to download these maps directly to Locus, if all works fine for You. Same system is not used for HGT files directly for items in Locus Store, so you may try it as well.

Hello,
Found T: in preset folders
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170122/e680973da3c43eafb356da06f538e908.jpg) . (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170122/6c63803f1e5d231374b096a70814840f.jpg) . (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170122/0fbb2efc3b8f8bb52d6a8763cf972276.jpg)

For me is not clear what you wrote in second point, can I manually install openandroidmaps and hgt files as usual?
You want to know if direct install works from openandroidmaps site?
I downloaded hgt files 1' I think the earth is not grow up form last install.
But if I will find in future hgt file better than 1' I will update the dB so I want to know if something is changed


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Please ignore "T:" symbol at start of texts. These are my internal texts, that are not yet ready for translations, so I mark them with "T:" to be sure not to forget on them before final release.

About second point: currently it's possible to download maps from OpenAndroMaps directly from web site by button "Install on Locus", did you tried it? It directly starts Locus and in previous versions this button started Locus and opened big loading screen. You were forced to wait till download ends etc etc. Now it's made differently.

Quote from: menion on January 22, 2017, 09:30:51
Please ignore "T:" symbol at start of texts. These are my internal texts, that are not yet ready for translations, so I mark them with "T:" to be sure not to forget on them before final release.

About second point: currently it's possible to download maps from OpenAndroMaps directly from web site by button "Install on Locus", did you tried it? It directly starts Locus and in previous versions this button started Locus and opened big loading screen. You were forced to wait till download ends etc etc. Now it's made differently.

Thank you.
IMHO preset and rec profiles can converge into an only setup menu.
You can have for example 4 rec profiles select the 2 for hiking, if you don't start recording the track it just applies the presets, at rec start it apply also the recording settings.
Just to simplify menu, there are so many features in this wonderfull app that can make finding the one you need too complicated.

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Quote from: menion on January 22, 2017, 07:19:54
yesterday evening I've just published new Beta version 3.21.1.4.

"Map resolution" preferences rewrote to new "Prefs" system and added to "Presets"

Could you please make it possible to set arbitrary map resolution by number in "Presets"?

I usually set 200 % while outdoor activities and 400 % while car navigation. But for now, it requires really a lot of taps to reach map resolution setting window then go back to map screen. Quick setting between 100 % and custom % is, I would say, not satisfactory when using tile based maps on high-res screen phone/tablet. Texts on the map are too small to read at 100 % resolution. :'(

Hello ta-ka, this is already possible since this new Beta by "Presets" system.

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Quote from: menion on January 22, 2017, 12:04:02
Hello ta-ka, this is already possible since this new Beta by "Presets" system.

Wow, really! I will check it out. Thanks!

Yep :). In "Presets" are full settings dialogs like in "big" Locus Map settings. Anyway system is different so changes in "Presets" are not immediately changed in whole Locus, but only when "Presets" is loaded. Because of this, every option/preference usable in "Presets", needs to be manually prepared by me. In case of this "Map resolution", it was little bit complicated and took me almost half a day, so I'll try to choose carefully which preferences will be added here. Only these that are changed often ...

For this, I've created small poll (http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?id=11bf3a1b70e4b1937), that should help me choose

EDIT: anyway, if anyone will have any idea, how to do this feature better or different, please discuss with me. Even that I like this solution (that's why I made it) I'm not 100% convinced that it's best. I'll probably argue why your idea is hard to implement, but at least we will discuss it little bit ;). Thanks and enjoy Sunday

I've finally understood how to set map resolution in "Presets" and how it works.  Very good improvemant. :)
I'm going to think and vote what "Presets" setting will be useful.

i struggeled a long time to understand how "preset" work and how to return to my basic settings, :-[
in short words, if user activate one "preset" he had to add a "basic preset" to revert all eventually modified settings  to return to his standart settings,
if a available "preset setting" is insert and checked inside a "preset", it must be reverted in each other preset by insert and unchecked "preset setting" if not wanted there :P
see SS
(https://s23.postimg.org/8tfdjw8bb/preset.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8tfdjw8bb/)
for me it´s too complicated for now, a option inside each "preset" to deactivate it would be the best ?!
what do you think

this is correct. It confirms what I wrote before, that these "presets" are only method, how to set more preferences at once.

Problem with your approach is that it sounds like "Now activate 'Test' preset". Oki, Locus mark it as active, load and set all preferences and what now? What if you disable "Bottom panel hiding", which this preset "is active"? Should it change in preset as well? And when you later disable this preset, to which values restore when you meanwhile already change them? And if you restart Locus Map, which preferences should load? And more and more questions ... these all questions I have in mind, has different answers based on user feeling. I'll probably have different answers then you and then others.

Because of this, I choose maybe little more complicated system to setup, on second side for me it looks perfectly clear, "what will happen". You does not need to worry what happen with "Preset" when you change something later (nothing because there is nothing like "active preset", you will know what happen when you restart Locus (nothing, just last set preferences load as normal) and so on ...

So from my point of view, best is to create "Basic preset" where will be all preferences in base, default value + number of presets for certain activities. I'll prepare two or three as predefined presets that appear after first start of final version, that should help to start.

I can also imagine to create something like "Activate preset X when ... " ... start track recording, start navigation, start guidance, ... but this later.

So, is my explanation logical? If you still think that what you wrote me work, please give me your answers on my questions above. Thanks!

If not already obvious to any reader (because my simple question never answered) Presets are found: menu > settings > more functions > Presets.

I like the concept and direction it is heading. Some points I immediately thought:

• allow selection of map theme
• allow selection of set of top/right buttons
• allow change existing preset name
• allow change existing preset icon
• I like idea of merging with existing track recording profile
• after new preset is added the keyboard needs to be closed

I found adding the Map Resolution to presets then changing default eventually crashed my phone - maybe endless loop or recursive call? It was evident that CPU was working 100% as no buttons responded in any other app or Android.

Hello menion,
thanks for your detailed answer.

QuoteSo, is my explanation logical?

logical of course, as usual ;)
5 users with 10 opinions and 20 ideas....
so Andrew like the concept and i didn´t,  we´ll wait for official puplish and the feedback of "poll users"

Quoteplease give me your answers on my questions above

- my current settings are "basic"
- each "preset" include some variation and is only active during this locus session (similar dashboard or CS)

QuoteI'll prepare two or three as predefined presets that appear after first start of final version

I'm waiting anxiously

Looked into presets today a bit. Definitely like the concept. Final judgement depends on which direction this is growing towards.
I am 100% with ta-ka, that e.g. the map resolution cannot just be on/off, but rather needs to specify magnify values.
If you do not want to support vector map - theme - magnify associations (earlier discussion somewhere else), then putting themes into the preset set will allow to emulate the required effect at least to a little extent.
In general, the poll is a nice start (I did it), but it is SO high level, that the usability cannot be derived from the title of the poll item.
But the box pof Pandora is open, the Presets are growing (which means it gets energy and attention), so I hope we will get the elaborated features that make the whole effort worth while ... Just grouping some existing settings and cloning their existing limitations I do not consider worth while.

Don't understand the poll incorrectly guys. I made it not to help me decide what method should be best, but it is really simple poll that should help me decide into which settings I should invest time and rewrite them into this new system (because I really do not wants to include all 1538 settings into "presets", but just part of them then is often changing/needed).

@michaelbechtold: map resolution IS already with precise settings of scale :). And yes, I believe that with these "presets", many tasks may be solved, not just scale attached to maps. It depends ...

Anyway some of settings are simple on/off. Here it's quite simple and it's work on 1/2 hour, not a big problem. Some are anyway a lot more complex. I'll try to look today on themes, because it looks like as "most wanted".

Ahh, the prcocess of creating a preset needs some more steps (than I expected :-), I just found.
But now it works. TXs

For me these "presets" are really setting "overrides". It seems to more accurately describe the new feature. Would you consider renaming presets to overrides?

Currently there doesn't appear to be a way to disable a selected preset. Could there be a checkbox at the top of the main dialog?

It seems for each available boolean setting there are 3 possibilities: don't override, force true, force false. Similar for more complex settings. Maybe if the overridden value is same as default value it is displayed in normal font, and if  overridden value is different to default value it is displayed in stronger font?

At present there are two steps to creating a new preset - 1) select list of settings from list 2) decide on overridden value (which may be same as default value anyway). To make it more obvious to user what "is going on here" could there be just a single dialog/ list. I think Wolfgang commented this was confusing too? For each setting there is an "override" checkbox, and if override=true then value control is enabled, and can be modified, and will be in strong font if different to default value.

If list is ever opened subsequent time for further editing, the overridden values are sorted to/ displayed at top of list to save user scrolling through whole long list.

Maybe in the "top level" selection list of presets below each icon, there can be a list of overridden abbreviated or acronym setting names in small font for quick glance. I imagine for each preset there will only be short list of settings that user would override. A long list would suggest user has misunderstood the purpose of presets.

Just my 2 cents of thoughts after some further usage and reading other forum comments.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 24, 2017, 23:51:33
For me these "presets" are really setting "overrides". It seems to more accurately describe the new feature. Would you consider renaming presets to overrides?

But "override" would imply that you could revert these settings - if I understand Menion correctly, that's exactly what is not supposed to be possible.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 24, 2017, 23:51:33Currently there doesn't appear to be a way to disable a selected preset. Could there be a checkbox at the top of the main dialog?

Again, I far as I understood Menion, these presets change a collection of settings for good. You can't simply revert - you'd have to create an "inverted" preset. That's why there's no "disable", and that's why "override" is the wrong term, I think.

Yep, that is correct. Imagine is as a simple shortcut ... currently you needs to manually set few settings here and there and this tool do this for you. So it is same as you do manually, it simply change some settings .... nothing more.

@Andrew Heard: you probably still understand it wrong .. there is nothing like "Active preset". These "Presets" are just collection of settings that change when you tap on it as I wrote before. Hmm cannot describe it better with my English now :).

OK, thanks for clarifying @menion & @slarti76. Should that therefore mean a "default" preset is initially created with all the relevant/ current settings?

To final version, I'll prepare two or three ready-to-use presets, that will simplify start of using of this feature.

A question unrelated to presets: has anyone else noticed that with hardware compass enabled map rotation orientation filter has no effect? Whether I have heavy filter or no filter, it makes no difference, the map is rotating as if there is no filter. This behavior seems very recent. I normally use heavy filter but is not working. Could it be related to presets? I can't think of any other change. Quite confusing. Thanks for any suggestions.

My feedback regarding the presets-feature:

I'm ok with the way it's implemented now. This way the settings currently in use are consistent with what the main settings menu shows (at this time). You (the user) just have to keep in mind that some settings can be changed from what you set up in the main settings when a preset is "executed".

I must admit, I first was confused about how to set up a preset, even to the point I thought it didn't work on my phone (or maybe it actually wasn't in the first version?). It took me a while to realise that it's a two-step process of first selecting which settings should be available in the preset, and then the actual setting. But I think this is only a matter of headline/description/help texts...

So I'm looking forward to also having themes, dashboard activation, permanent display on and display activation settings available. Also, preset execution when starting track record with a specific recording profile would be nice!

Hi,
so new Beta version is out. Suggest to delete existing "Presets" (if you will try this feature again), so you have better feel of whole setup workflow :). Otherwise thanks all for a valuable feedback. I cannot satisfy everyone, but I at least try to find something ... between.

3.21.1.5 Presets: with GPS disabled I notice each time I change preset the map is moved to the last GPS position (in this case on tablet it is position from a month ago).

Nice to have map themes now included.

Because each preset can have own independent set of settings I imagine could cause user confusion. Seems user will generally need to have settings identical in each preset (for example I am testing with 3 presets Cycling/ Driving/ Default). There is not going to be large number of settings to choose from so could the initial choosing of set of settings be removed - each preset just has all possible settings? User simply decides on the value of each setting.

Could the list of presets be "moved up one level" for faster access - display each preset in "More functions" rather than More functions > Presets. Or even faster access via Quick settings?

Since beta 3.21.1.4 locus does not remember the last used offline vector map at the end, it is displayed after a restart always the last used online map. My vector maps lie in a subdirectory "OpenAndroMaps".

QuoteSince beta 3.21.1.4 locus does not remember the last used offline vector map at the end, it is displayed after a restart always the last used online map

confirm behavior :-[
also on rastermap

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 27, 2017, 10:32:15
Nice to have map themes now included.

For me, it would be nicer to have map styles as well as themes included.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 27, 2017, 10:32:15
Because each preset can have own independent set of settings I imagine could cause user confusion. Seems user will generally need to have settings identical in each preset (for example I am testing with 3 presets Cycling/ Driving/ Default). There is not going to be large number of settings to choose from so could the initial choosing of set of settings be removed - each preset just has all possible settings? User simply decides on the value of each setting.

That change would need a three-position switch (on | off | no change) for each setting which is what the present arrangement achieves.

Quote from: LocusUser#1 on January 27, 2017, 11:12:30
Since beta 3.21.1.4 locus does not remember the last used offline vector map at the end, it is displayed after a restart always the last used online map. My vector maps lie in a subdirectory "OpenAndroMaps".

Confirmed

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Quote from: john_percy on January 27, 2017, 11:55:24
For me, it would be nicer to have map styles as well as themes included.

+1 map style setting in addition to theme selection would definitely be nice, as many themes are a combination of multiple styles these days.

Thanks for including dashboards into the presets!

Will there be a possibility to execute a preset based on active navigation? This way I could automatically use a more cleaner dashboard when I'm not navigating, and one with nav track elevation profile display when navigating.

Point detail > Map apps > Streetview is not working at present. It goes to current position on Google maps and notifies Streetview is not available here.
If I choose Google maps from Locus point detail instead and drop a pin, Streetview works.
I guess Google has changed something.

Quote from: john_percy on January 27, 2017, 11:55:24
That change would need a three-position switch (on | off | no change) for each setting which is what the present arrangement achieves.

yes, I suggested this a few days earlier. The present arrangement is a 2-step process - 1) select settings, 2) decide on overriden value. Instead there could be a single list. For boolean settings there could be a 3-way button, but for more complex settings this wouldn't work. A checkbox to override the setting and the actual setting control may be simpler to explain/ more intuitive for users than the current process.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 25, 2017, 10:34:15
has anyone else noticed that with hardware compass enabled map rotation orientation filter has no effect? Whether I have heavy filter or no filter, it makes no difference, the map is rotating as if there is no filter. This behavior seems very recent.

Heavy hardware compass orientation filter setting is now working again in latest beta.

When a preset is selected I think it would be nice to be quickly returned to the main screen. At present the More Functions screen is displayed.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 28, 2017, 23:10:06
When a preset is selected I think it would be nice to be quickly returned to the main screen. At present the More Functions screen is displayed.

And it should be possible to put individual presents to the upper or right button bar, displaying the number from the position in the list of presets. Or the first three letters from the present name.

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It would be good if you could tell the preset that is used. When multiple profiles would be in them could lose. In addition, the profile could offer saving your changes later. I enclose samples.

CZ: Bylo by dobré kdyby v preset bylo poznat, který je použitý. Při více profilech by se v nich dalo ztratit. Profil by navíc mohl nabídnout uložení změn provedených dodatečně. Přikládám ukázky.

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Quote from: michaelbechtold on January 29, 2017, 08:00:48
And it should be possible to put individual presents to the upper or right button bar, displaying the number from the position in the list of presets. Or the first three letters from the present name.

@michaelbechtold - hopefully with events automatically triggering preset changes (sometime in future) there is less need for manual intervention. I can't afford space for buttons on main screen, but have suggested allowing similar additions to the Quick Settings panel.

Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on January 30, 2017, 18:36:29
It would be good if you could tell the preset that is used.

+1

Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on January 30, 2017, 18:36:29
In addition, the profile could offer saving your changes later.

Why later? Why not just automatically save when form is closed?

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 30, 2017, 23:38:29
Why later? Why not just automatically save when form is closed?

I did not mean it that way. It should be a save menu changes after using preset. For example: I set the preset wheel, but you will find that I prefer a different dashboard. So I'll change it, preset will recognize it and give me your update.

CZ: Tak jsem to nemyslel. Mělo by jít o nabídku uložení změn po použití presetu. Například: Nastavím si předvolbu pro kolo, ale časem zjistím, že mi více vyhovuje jiný dashboard. Tak si ho změním, preset to pozná a nabídne mi svou aktualizaci.

Hi guys,
ok, forget on presets, seems that concept is wrong, and I need to find out some different method how to do it.

Mainly because there is nothing like "active preset", so there is nothing to deactivate ...  :'(

Hi Menione, he would not abandon the whole concept. Instead of "active preset" could be used the term "last used". It would be enough then if the show preset menu to check whether the selection of the preset set match and offer a saving.
  But I agree with Andrew Heard, that it would be easier to just do one side options, and each option can have a switch with three options yes / not change / no. Certainly it would be clearer.

CZ: Ahoj Menione, nemusel by se celý koncept opustit. Místo "aktivní preset" by se dal použít výraz "naposledy použitý". Stačilo by pak v případě zobrazení menu preset zkontrolovat, zda volby použitého presetu odpovídají nastaveným a nabídnout uložení změn.
Souhlasím ale s Andrew Heard, že by bylo přehlednější udělat jen jednu stranu voleb a u každé volby mít přepínač se třemi možnostmi: ano/neměnit/no. Rozhodně by to bylo přehlednější.

Quote from: menion on January 31, 2017, 06:48:12
Hi guys,
ok, forget on presets, seems that concept is wrong, and I need to find out some different method how to do it.

Mainly because there is nothing like "active preset", so there is nothing to deactivate ...  :'(

You lost the battle not the war.
What about to create a predefined preset like "your default" which copies all actual settings before the creation of any user profile. So the user can go back easily.
You can, only for this special profile, create a button with an update function when the user basic settings change.

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Quote from: menion on January 31, 2017, 06:48:12
ok, forget on presets, seems that concept is wrong, and I need to find out some different method how to do it.
Mainly because there is nothing like "active preset", so there is nothing to deactivate ...  :'(

@menion - probably just "lost in language translation" but I think the concept is excellent. Given the constructive debate it's clear core forum users as passionate about the feature, and implementation. But the way it stands, I think an average user would be somewhat confused on operation, and decide to avoid use, or require lots of documentation to understand, or lots of ongoing support questions. Don't give up on the presets concept.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on January 30, 2017, 23:34:28

Quote from: michaelbechtold on January 29, 2017, 08:00:48
And it should be possible to put individual presents to the upper or right button bar, displaying the number from the position in the list of presets. Or the first three letters from the present name.

@michaelbechtold - hopefully with events automatically triggering preset changes (sometime in future) there is less need for manual intervention. I can't afford space for buttons on main screen, but have suggested allowing similar additions to the Quick Settings panel.

There are a number of functions that can appear in the Quick Settings, and in addition in the upper & right button bars. E.g., currently I have put the preset function on a button in the upper bar. By giving those options (and I agree Presets should be on both, but I would like INDIVIDUAL Presets, not only the Preset manager being available for such), nobody is forced to clutter map space. And the buttons, as well as the Quick Settings simply represent the choices of relevance to the particular user.

Yes, Andrew, 100% agree !

"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater", "Schütte das Kind nicht mit dem Bade aus", are the English and German proverbs. And I trust there is a Czech equivalent, Menion :-)

Presets are the only sensible way to control the pain of the massive set of parameters that Locus thankfully has.

I'm thinking of concepts people may be used to from other gadget experiences. Cameras come to my mind first of all.
I am used to this scheme, which is trivial to understand: to play with ANY setting until you are satisfied, then simply assign that to one of the presets available (1 .. 3 in my current camera)

Obviously Locus is not a camera, so a few tweaks do help:
1) allow meaningful names instead of numbers: check, already there, easy to understand for everybody
2) leave/ignore switch for each preset (if the "snapshot" at the moment of Preset definition includes the current value or not is irrlevant (whatever is easier to imnplement), key is that when chosing/activating a Preset later, the particular value is NOT changed: there in principle, again easy to understand for everybody

In summary: where is the problem ?

Good evening guys,
thanks for a valuable feedback.

As I read my previous post, I think I wrote it with too sad mood. Don't understand me wrong .. I was not giving up of this idea, I was not throwing it away. I just wanted to say, that version which you have in your hands, is still too complicated and needs improvements. Petr is still pushing on me to throw away this "Preset" tool together with 75% of settings in Locus Map and your posts, where was feeling confusion how it works, only played to his cards. So I need to make it better :).

I think I have enough feedback for now, so please wait for next version, it will be a little better I believe.

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And btw. did anyone tried to download for example OpenAndroMaps directly to Locus Map with latest version? Is it working correctly? Similar system (same "Notification center") is also used for download HGT files from Locus Store and in next version also to downloading maps from Locus Store, so I hope it will be a lot more usable for you, then previous dialog that blocked using Locus Map till all was downloaded.

Quote from: menion on January 31, 2017, 17:09:11
Petr is still pushing on me to throw away this "Preset" tool together with 75% of settings

@menion - in my three testing presets (cycling/ driving/ default) there is only ONE setting I don't currently use - Dynamic elevation. Every other setting is useful and changes between those presets, so when final implementation is available, it will be a great time saver for me.

I could suggest adding other settings rather than throwing away settings, but now is not the time.

Other thoughts on presets - when editing an existing preset have menu/ function to load current/ global settings into the preset; "restore defaults". And another thought on tri-state settings (on/ off/ no change) I have already mentioned, if a newly created preset is initialized with global setting values or "restore defaults", then this 3rd state (no change) becomes unnecessary - remove/ simplify. And no need for selection of which settings you want in your preset, just include them all.

Quote from: menion on January 31, 2017, 17:09:11
did anyone tried to download for example OpenAndroMaps directly to Locus Map with latest version?

when I go Locus Store > By Provider > where is OpenAndroMaps for testing?

Understand, thanks. What about dashboard, you always wants to setup dashboard? In case, I'll add few more preferences, situation may start to be more complicated ... if all included is best idea. Three state switch is not possible, at least no such component exists in Android and write own, eh, no :). So it's about all without option to choose or with option to choose like now.

Anyway maybe we should start with "all included" solution and we will see, good idea.

And OpenAndromaps ... I was talking about page http://www.openandromaps.org/downloads/europa and special button "Install on Locus" that is available under every map. If you do not use OAM , don't waste a time with it. It is more question on people who use them and also download maps with this method.

If not three position switch, then how about check box for "include" and two position switch for the setting (greyed out if box not checked).
As for downloading from OAM, what you have done looks like a good idea but I have never succeeded in downloading from OAM direct to Locus -- for me, the download always breaks.

Quote from: john_percy on February 01, 2017, 00:22:36
If not three position switch, then how about check box for "include" and two position switch for the setting (greyed out if box not checked).

@john_percy - a three position switch will only work with boolean setting values, eg themes & map magnification will need different mechanism, but what about suggestion that setting is initially default, and you simply decide whether to change or not?

Quote from: john_percy on February 01, 2017, 00:22:36
As for downloading from OAM

John what "provider" do a use for test of OAM maps? when I go Locus Store > By Provider > where is OpenAndroMaps?

Quote from: menion on January 31, 2017, 23:08:18
Understand, thanks. What about dashboard, you always wants to setup dashboard?

@menion - absolutely - my uses: cycling preset:extensive dashboard, driving & default presets:no dashboard

Hi Menione, it would not do something like this? Amateurish attempt, I apologize.

CZ: Ahoj Menione, nešlo by to udělat nějak takto? Amatérský pokus, omlouvám se.
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Quote from: menion on January 31, 2017, 17:09:11
And btw. did anyone tried to download for example OpenAndroMaps directly to Locus Map with latest version? Is it working correctly?

I have tested the download of OpenAndroMaps. It worked perfectly. The download progress was displayed on the new icon and after the termination, a message appeared in the new Notification Center.

I just do not know yet whether I like another icon on main screen.

Quote from: LocusUser#1 on February 01, 2017, 08:11:34
I just do not know yet whether I like another icon on main screen.

for me the main screen notification icon is hidden once all notifications are dismissed, so no problems

The new beta shows a (possibly intermittent but quite reproducible) rendering fault with dashed or dotted lines on vector map themes each time it is started. On opening the app, dashed lines have far too small spacing. Zooming in and out corrects the behaviour. The two screenshots show the effect. Note the pylon lines, though the same effect happens with any dotted or dashed line. I don't get the same effect with the non-beta version of the app.
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Quote from: Andrew Heard on February 01, 2017, 01:22:18
@john_percy - a three position switch will only work with boolean setting values, eg themes & map magnification will need different mechanism, but what about suggestion that setting is initially default, and you simply decide whether to change or not?

You are quite right, of course. Which means that you have to select whether the preset will affect the value of a variable, and then if so, what the variable should be set to. The post from Žajdlík Josef shows the sort of thing.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on February 01, 2017, 01:22:18John what "provider" do a use for test of OAM maps? when I go Locus Store > By Provider > where is OpenAndroMaps?

What Menion is asking is to download directly from OpenAndroMaps website in your phone's browser and select "Install on Locus". English version: http://www.openandromaps.org/en/downloads/europe . I couldn't do it at all from Tapatalk and the browser download on my phone breaks in any case as the connection gets interrupted. However, I saw enough of what Menion has done to like the approach.

Quote from: john_percy on February 01, 2017, 10:06:16
The new beta shows a (possibly intermittent but quite reproducible) rendering fault with dashed or dotted lines on vector map themes each time it is started. On opening the app, dashed lines have far too small spacing. Zooming in and out corrects the behaviour. The two screenshots show the effect. Note the pylon lines, though the same effect happens with any dotted or dashed line. I don't get the same effect with the non-beta version of the app.

I can confirm, the same behavior here with my HiLo theme

Thank you guys, issue with dashed lines found and fixed.

@Žajdlík Josef , thank for idea. Yes, it is only possible solution in case, we will wants to have all on one screen. Instead of your "buttons", we may simply use checkboxes. Anyway discussion please with next version ... I'll try to hurry little bit next two days to finish some other tasks and this as well.

@john_percy: for you, downloading breaks during process without any reason? There should be at least some error message in this "Notification center", is it there?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170201/1ce3556641383b623442a37b67487222.jpg)

I know there is zero interest in adding even more settings to presets, but using both driving and cycling presets today I realize a useful additional setting is the navigation voice. With driving preset I use TTS but with cycling preset I use Morse.

@john_percy: thanks for a screenshot. I'm trying to find out something more about this problem. Usually there is info about some issues on Android 4.4 and olders (not sure if this is your case). Anyway is it possible to connect your device to power supply and let Locus Map visible in foreground together with screen turned on for a whole time? If this helps .. thanks

@Andrew Heard: we will see. As first step, I just because of this made this (http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?cmd=view&id=11bf3a1b70e4b1937) simple poll. At first step, I should keep number of settings short, more may come later when there will be more global consensus between users ;).

Quote from: menion on February 02, 2017, 06:46:13
@Andrew Heard: we will see. As first step, I just because of this made this (http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?cmd=view&id=11bf3a1b70e4b1937) simple poll.

@menion - I've updated my previous poll answers based on preset experience. Already 0.5% vote for navigation voice! Quite long "tail" in poll results.

Yesterday I tried the first meet presets while driving and I must say it's a great thing. Quick change of the map theme, full screen, map rotation, activating dashboard. Great. Upon arrival, a single press of a return to the setting for hiking. Great, everything worked smoothly. I think this move Locus really a big step over the competition.

CZ: Včera jsem poprvné vyzkoušel presety při jízdě autem a musím říct, že je to skvělá věc. Rychlá změna mapového tématu, celá obrazovka, otáčení mapy, aktivace dashboardu. Paráda. Po příjezdu jediným stisknutím návrat k nastavení pro turistiku. Skvělé, vše fungovalo bez problémů. Myslím, že tohle posune Locus opravdu o velký kus oproti konkurenci.

Thanks Pepo, glad to hear it :).

I've just in night published new Beta version, where creating of presets is little bit simplified and also created some "faked" ... "active preset", just for testing if such selection will be more logical for you (users). I was also thinking about checkbox on left side, but I still have feeling in back of my head, that I later add few more useful settings here and I'm worried, that list may starts to be too long then.

One more question to all ... when you check new version, after you active preset, Locus will remember that you last clicked on certain preset and will highlight it. When you then change something, "Preset" screen offer update of last active preset. So far so good. But I can imagine, you expect click on active preset, to deactivate it. But here comes a problem in case, you meanwhile changed something. What you expect that happen after you deactivate this active preset (when something has changed meanwhile)?

Options I see:
- restore all values exactly as were defined before preset was set
- restore just values that does not changed
- do not allow restore at all, because "something has changed"

Hi Menion, FC on both devices when trying to add a new preset. One device has three existing presets, the other had none.
Existing presets can be made active, even changed.

And some general remarks, too: if creating a preset is considered a SNAPSHOT of what setting you CURRENTLY have or select while creating or changing the preset, and activating a preset is simply imposing all associated settings on the Locus, then there is nothing like "deactivating" a preset and discussions about what to revert to simply go away.

Make it powerful and most complete (e.g. add overlays), but keep it simple. Better for your development efforts, and better for the users (you had particular concerns about those who are not gurus in Locus ...)
Just my 2c. Now back to business work ...

I agree with Michael's comments about snapshot analogy. Deactivating a preset doesn't make sense to me.

PS. wrote long story before I read John & Michael's comments. I agree with them.

3.21.1.6 testing: I still notice when I change presets the old GPS position is restored. Steps: GPS disabled, 2 presets. Select 1 preset. Move position. Select 2nd present - observe map position changed to a completely different location. It's as if preset has hidden "position setting". Another user has mentioned this too.

I am happy with 2nd screen to select "preset settings selection" or 1 combined screen with checkboxes, but it just feel that the 2nd method may be more intuitive, even if list grows in future. One less screen to design & maintain for you? When I view the current 2nd screen "preset settings selection" (AKA T:CONTENT OF PRESET) I ask myself as "new user" - am I overriding a setting or selecting a setting or what? With checkbox and value side-by-side the purpose should be more clear. Untick checkbox > setting is disabled - UX is clear.

I like the highlighted preset in red (and that also supports my argument in next paragraph). I don't really see a need for word "active" below setting, but I guess it gives a hint for new user.

Your main question: If I change a setting in the active preset I would just expect to see the setting updated. If I delete a setting from active preset I would expect setting is not changed. At present after return from preset screen I see the main screen but no change yet. If I go back to preset I now see a message below preset "active, but changed". Example: edit active preset > toggle full screen > exit (to main screen) > I would expect full screen is updated. But at present it is not until I tap the active preset yet again that new setting is then used. Seems unintuitive & convoluted. I don't expect to tap the active preset to "deactivate" it. The model is - tap any preset to copy those defined settings to global settings then return to main screen.

Sometimes the error in the new version when creating presets. When he finished edits from the previous version, then all is well. But if I'll create a new one, then after entering the name Locus completely failed and the message "The application has been terminated."
It is Xperia M Adroid 4.3

CZ: Někde bude chyba v nové verzi při vytváření presetu. Když edituji už hotový z minulé verze, pak je vše v pořádku. Pokud ale dám vytvořit nový, pak po zadání názvu Locus úplně zhavaruje a objeví se hlášení "Aplikace byla ukončena".
Jedná se o Xperii M s adroidem 4.3

Ah, I'm little confused now :). I though that most of you wants system like "Activate preset", "Deactivate preset". If not, which I also like, then better for me. Fine.

I'll look to FC issues, thanks.

@Andrew Heard: when you change preset, then "center" map is probably enabled. It should simulate tap on bottom left "center button" on map screen. It probably work exactly same, right?

Perfectly understand your point with second "Content of presets" page. I'm not throwing away my hope for separate selection, but agree it needs better UI/different system.

And about "active preset": as wrote Michael and John before ... I have to think if this helps something or not (so if it is needed or not). I made it only to see if in practice and to test it. In language of source code, it is just a fake. Locus only remember which preset was selected as last and test if currently active preferences are same or different compare to last selected preset. So no science.

I'm not very good at English, but if I understood what he writes Andrew Heard so this does not fit me too much. It is possible that the tracking of changes implemented after the activation of presets is complicated. In this case, the entire section should appoint preset but "mass adjustments". Then one should expect that elections will react to additional adjustment in the application. If it were to be preset, then it should appear in the title inscription: preset changed with a choice: ignore / save changes.

CZ: Nejsem moc dobrý v angličtině, ale pokud jsem rozuměl tomu co píše Andrew Heard tak tohle mi taky moc nepasuje. Je možné, že sledování změn provedených po aktivaci presetu je komplikované. V tomto případě by se celá sekce neměla jmenovat preset ale "hromadné úpravy nastavení" . Pak by nikdo nečekal, že budou volby reagovat na dodatečná přestavení v aplikaci. Pokud by to měly být preset, pak by se měl u názvu objevit nápis: preset změněn s volbou: ignorovat/uložit změny.

Most recent beta does not preserve selected offline map. It appears to revert to last selected online map.

this was reported in #96

Quote from: balloni55 on February 03, 2017, 11:13:35
this was reported in #96

It was indeed reported before but the problem for me has only occurred since today's beta.

Quote from: menion on February 02, 2017, 06:46:13
@john_percy: thanks for a screenshot. I'm trying to find out something more about this problem. Usually there is info about some issues on Android 4.4 and olders (not sure if this is your case). Anyway is it possible to connect your device to power supply and let Locus Map visible in foreground together with screen turned on for a whole time? If this helps .. thanks

I've tried that as requested. Downloading the Great Britain OAM map generally seems to freeze up part way through but I've managed to download and install the much smaller Azores OAM map.  I'm using my home wifi connection which is generally reliable.
After doing a restart and app optimisation, followed by unmounting and remounting the SD card, I made better progress and got as far as attempted extraction, which failed. This may be due to lack of memory storage space on my system (as opposed to SD).
It's just far simpler for me to download and extract to PC and then transfer to my phone directly over wifi.

Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on February 03, 2017, 11:09:38
I'm not very good at English, but if I understood what he writes Andrew Heard so this does not fit me too much. It is possible that the tracking of changes implemented after the activation of presets is complicated. In this case, the entire section should appoint preset but "mass adjustments". Then one should expect that elections will react to additional adjustment in the application. If it were to be preset, then it should appear in the title inscription: preset changed with a choice: ignore / save changes.

Hmm initial idea in name "preset" is based on for example home/car radio. You are also able to setup "presets". You for example save certain radio frequency under "Preset 1". When you then preset button "1", frequency is set and that's all. When you tune different frequency, it has no effect on this preset.

@john_percy, @balloni55 : hmm I hoped it is already solved. Fine thanks, I'll look at it again ...

EDIT: And John. thanks for testing. If same issue appear for more people, we should look at it closer. Anyway till you will be satisfied with copy over PC, no problem ...

Quote from: menion on February 03, 2017, 12:15:47
Hmm initial idea in name "preset" is based on for example home/car radio. You are also able to setup "presets". You for example save certain radio frequency under "Preset 1". When you then preset button "1", frequency is set and that's all. When you tune different frequency, it has no effect on this preset.

This comparison to preset the radio is correct. The difference is that when the radio to a different frequency, Preset1 indication on the display disappears. This could be used also in the locus. If the answer to the current Preset settings would be displayed at preset word "active". When I adjusted the Locus something, the word "active" would disappear. Unfortunately, this would entail the need to compare the profile settings.

CZ: To přirovnání k předvolbě v rádiu je správné. Rozdíl je v tom, že když přeladím rádio na jinou frekvenci, označení Preset1 na displeji zmizí. To by se dalo využít i v Locusu. Pokud bude Preset odpovídat aktuálnímu nastavení, zobrazil by se u presetu nápis "active". Když bych něco v Locus přenastavil, nápis "active" by zmizel. Bohužel by to s sebou neslo nutnost porovnávání profilu s nastavením.

Quote from: menion on February 03, 2017, 10:38:59
Ah, I'm little confused now :). I though that most of you wants system like "Activate preset", "Deactivate preset". If not, which I also like, then better for me. Fine.

These check boxes to activate your preferences are handy and practical. It will face a situation where they will be added in the new position after Locus create a preset. Thus, just when they are added to the existing presets as inactive. Otherwise there is a problem with how to add an existing preset on or off? Technically, however, should option when creating a new preset proceed so that first I have to choose which stations will be active and only then set on / off.

CZ: Ta zatržítka u aktivace předvoleb jsou šikovná a praktická. Bude to navíc řešit i situace kdy budou přidány v Locusu nové předvolby po vytvoření presetu. Takto stačí když budou do stávajících presets přidány jako neaktivní. Jinak by nastala potíž s tím jak je do existujícího presetu přidat on nebo off? Technicky by ale měla volba při vytváření nového presetu probíhat tak, že si napřed musím zvolit jaké předvolby budou aktivní a pak teprve nastavovat on/off.

Hey,

I also encounter the bug that the last offline map is not remembered and the last used online map is loaded instead on the next startup.
I also experience force-closes every time I want to create a new preset in the current BETA (after name input)!

In my opinion, highlighting the last activated preset is not necessary.
I like the idea of combining more than one preset, for example, first activate "big" bicycle preset with lots of changes at once (gps following, rotation, map center, auto-zoom, theme, dashboard etc.) and than later when necessary activating another "smaller" preset only changing some of the settings (for example gps following off, auto-zoom off and rotation off) in order to look around on the map. I (the user) do this intentionally, so I am (or should be) aware of the settings change.

Menione, I have to apologize to label active / active but have changed in the new version, and it looks very good. Good work.
1) I can confirm the error in loading maps. After starting the application is sometimes read bad map. I think it has to do with the fall application when you try to create a new preset. If Locus will end normally, the map is loaded correctly. But if you crash when you create a preset, the map loads in some small distinction is blurred. Only help re-elect the map file.
2) Minor adjustments should occur at T: content of preset. When you activate the option and I will close the bar with a cross at the top right, I'll get straight to the main screen with a map and not back into the preset options. It is illogical He must first select the active item, and then they just set off / on.

CZ: Menione, musím se omluvit to označení active/active but changed už v nové verzi je a vypadá to velmi dobře. Dobrá práce.
1) Mohu potvrdit chybu v načítání map. Po startu aplikace je někdy načtena špatná mapa. Myslím, že to souvisí s pádem aplikace při pokusu vytvořit nový preset. Pokud Locus ukončím normálně, mapa se načte správně. Jestli ale havaruje při vytváření presetu, mapa se načítá v nějakém malém rozlišení a je neostrá. Pomůže jen znovu zvolit mapový soubor.
2) Drobná úprava by měla nastat v T:content of preset. Když aktivuji volby a dám panel zavřít křížkem vpravo nahoře, dostanu se rovnou do základní obrazovky s mapou a ne zpět do voleb presetu. To je nelogické, musím přeci napřed vybrat aktivní položky a pak u nich teprve nastavit off/on.

Hello, thanks all for valuable feedback.

Oki so next iteration step. Seem you have various opinions on activated/disabled state. Correct from technical point of view, is forget on it. There is no "active" state, because preferences are just "loaded", nothing more. On second side, I can imagine that for some users, can be idea of "activated settings" more imaginable. Let's leave this for now, so I've removed this red highlight. Preset will be just loaded, nothing more for now.

About two necessary screens to setup preset vs single screen: no discussion that single screen with all preferences will be most easy to understand. And when number of preferences remains low as is now, it should work.
One screen with switch on one side may work as well, but for me it looks like too much control buttons on single place = over-buttoned. I always liked to give users "options", so "two screens" solutions still looks for me like most feature rich and not yet too complex. Maybe more hidden and less disturbing "edit" button, should help. I'll discuss it with Petr and Michal next week.

@Andrew Heard: I'm sorry, I still do not understand what exactly is a problem with "centering". "Center" preference in preset after selection do exactly! same action, like when you tap on "center button" in bottom left corner of map screen. it probably don't work as expected only when GPS is turned off right?

@Josefe: hmm now I've changed something you liked :). Sorry

Thanks all once more. I'm going to publish new Beta version with hope, all will work as expected and wish you nice weekend!

V 3.21.1.7
FC by adding new preset and map switch on restart are solved, thanks ;)

Quote from: menion on February 03, 2017, 10:38:59
when you change preset, then "center" map is probably enabled. It should simulate tap on bottom left "center button" on map screen. It probably work exactly same, right?

@menion - ahh - I see, and I therefore think there is a bug, or at least improvement can be made - I don't have a valid GPS position, phone has been inside for days, so when I tap "center button" valid message is displayed "unable to obtain valid location" and position is not changed...but when I activate preset with "center button" enabled, the map position is still moved to old/ invalid position.

> it probably don't work as expected only when GPS is turned off right?
exactly - difference in behavior (as explained above)

3.21.1.7: phone locked up after making changes to preset then selecting preset

3.21.1.7: bug: tap + to add new Preset > tap Cancel > keyboard remains on screen

question:
how can i close locus without hideing a dashboard which is visible by a active preset?
e.g.
i activate a preset and  dashboard is visble :)
after my tour i want to close locus, so normaly i click back button two times. But now after the first click dashboard disapeares  :-[ and i click back button twice  to close locus.
On next start of locus last active preset is furthermore active but without visible dashboard. I understand, locus open "last state"

Experience of practical use for day hiking in 3.21.1.7.
Functionality on my phone without problems, and create preset switching seamlessly.
When using different presets I ran into a small problem. Example: The first time I created several presets for hiking, ski and bike. The "recalculate the route," but I do not need it because even for one do not use, so I had they not been activated. For several days I created a preset "auto" and it has set a "route recalculation" priority route. Preset I tried, and then switch back to the preset "tourism". But the preset to "tourism" has been active route recalculation, and it remained settings from "auto". Navigation is therefore behaved somewhat unexpectedly. The higher amount of presets could this could happen, because nobody will remember what those older activated. The solution offers two. Either create a "basic preset" all options are active in some form of universal and apply the first and only after expre other changes in any preset, be sure to activate all functions. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.

CZ: Zkušenosti z praktického použití na celodenní turistice V 3.21.1.7.
Funkčnost na mém telefonu bez problémů, přepínání i vytváření preset bez problémů.
Při používání různých presetů jsem narazil na drobnou potíž. Příklad: Napoprvé jsem vytvořil několik presetů pro turistiku, lyže a kolo. Funkci "přepočet trasy" ale nepotřebuji protože ji ani u jednoho nepoužívám, proto jsem ji u nich neaktivoval. Za několik dnů jsem vytvořil preset "auto" a v něm nastavil "přepočet trasy" s prioritou na trasu. Preset jsem vyzkoušel a pak se přepnul zpět do presetu "turistika". Jenže v presetu na "turistika" nebyl přepočet trasy aktivní a tak tam zůstalo nastavení z profilu "auto". Navigace se tudíž chovala poněkud nečekaně. Při větším množství presetů by se tohle mohlo stávat, protože si nikdo nebude pamatovat co v těch starších aktivoval. Řešení se nabízí dvě. Buď si vytvořit "základní preset" se všemi volbami aktivními v nějaké univerzální podobě, aplikovat napřed ten a teprve po něm jiný se změnami třeba pro turistiku, nebo v každém presetu pro jistotu aktivovat všechny funkce. Každá varianta má své výhody i nevýhody.

Quote from: balloni55 on February 04, 2017, 13:46:12
question:
how can i close locus without hideing a dashboard which is visible by a active preset?
e.g.
i activate a preset and  dashboard is visble :)
after my tour i want to close locus, so normaly i click back button two times. But now after the first click dashboard disapeares  :-[ and i click back button twice  to close locus.
On next start of locus last active preset is furthermore active but without visible dashboard. I understand, locus open "last state"

@balloni55 - I just checked my 3.21.1.7- all is OK: only click back button two times to exit, still dashboard visible on 1st back button, then on restart dashboard state restored (visible or not). Selected each of 3 presets, restarted Locus, each preset correctly restored.

@menion - appears preset settings are not backed up, or not restored?

Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on February 04, 2017, 18:01:14
Experience of practical use for day hiking in 3.21.1.7.
Functionality on my phone without problems, and create preset switching seamlessly.
When using different presets I ran into a small problem. Example: The first time I created several presets for hiking, ski and bike. The "recalculate the route," but I do not need it because even for one do not use, so I had they not been activated. For several days I created a preset "auto" and it has set a "route recalculation" priority route. Preset I tried, and then switch back to the preset "tourism". But the preset to "tourism" has been active route recalculation, and it remained settings from "auto". Navigation is therefore behaved somewhat unexpectedly. The higher amount of presets could this could happen, because nobody will remember what those older activated. The solution offers two. Either create a "basic preset" all options are active in some form of universal and apply the first and only after expre other changes in any preset, be sure to activate all functions. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.

@Žajdlík Josef - I now just include every setting in every present. I think it avoids your experience.

I have just been reading about Presets in the Garmin eTrex 10/20/30 user manual static.garmincdn.com/pumac/eTrex_10-20-30_OM_EN.pdf (http://static.garmincdn.com/pumac/eTrex_10-20-30_OM_EN.pdf) - page 29. Garmin calls Presets Profiles!

Summary:

• Preset > Add - adds new preset using existing settings
• Preset > T:Edit meta - call this "Rename"
• Preset > Delete - no change
• Preset > T:Edit content - no longer needed (see next point)
• The exact list of settings is not visible to the user. No long/ complex screens of settings  - would make Petr happy and considerably reduce programming/ translations.
• There is zero or one active preset. As settings are changed they are automatically saved to this active preset.
• I think it would therefore be useful to again display "active" or preset name in red, for the active preset.
• This model has radically simpler interface but I think offers same functionality, and faster/ more efficient to use.

@balloni55: every dashboard has it's own settings that say, if dashboard should be closed by "back" button or not. You use probably dashboard that has this enabled (close by back button) and Andrew opposite.

@Andrew Heard: yep, presets are not added to backup. And thanks for tips from garmin world ... I'll look at it.

Quote from: Andrew Heard on February 05, 2017, 03:21:13
I have just been reading about Presets in the Garmin eTrex 10/20/30 user manual static.garmincdn.com/pumac/eTrex_10-20-30_OM_EN.pdf (http://static.garmincdn.com/pumac/eTrex_10-20-30_OM_EN.pdf) - page 29. Garmin calls Presets Profiles!

Summary:

• Preset > Add - adds new preset using existing settings
• Preset > T:Edit meta - call this "Rename"
• Preset > Delete - no change
• Preset > T:Edit content - no longer needed (see next point)
• The exact list of settings is not visible to the user. No long/ complex screens of settings  - would make Petr happy and considerably reduce programming/ translations.
• There is zero or one active preset. As settings are changed they are automatically saved to this active preset.
• I think it would therefore be useful to again display "active" or preset name in red, for the active preset.
• This model has radically simpler interface but I think offers same functionality, and faster/ more efficient to use.

So Garmin take a copy of current state of settings and gives it a preset name, good idea. Simple to create basic state to go back and to copy the settings of every special use.

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Quote from: menion on February 05, 2017, 08:55:25
@Andrew Heard: yep, presets are not added to backup. And thanks for tips from garmin world ... I'll look at it.

@Menion: but they should, obviously ! Once the broader user community gets used to the new feature, they invest thought and time, so it is worth preserving in the backup set ...

Michael, sure it should. But not when they are not yet ready. Why should I backup something, that is not yet ready for massive usage. Later, no worry.

QuoteYou use probably dashboard that has this enabled (close by back button) and Andrew opposite.

exactly, sorry my fault :P

Today discovered two flaws. The presets can not activate the option "dynamic heights." Although I tick, so will not appear in the panel off / on. The second bug is covering three dots to edit the item at the lowest preset - see scr. It's not her then edit.

CZ: Dnes objeveny dvě chybičky. V presetech nejde aktivovat volba "dynamické výšky". I když ji zatrhnu, tak se neobjeví v panelu off/on. Druhá chybka je v zakrývání tří teček k editaci u nejnižší položky presetu - viz scr. Nejde ji pak editovat.

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@balloni55: no problem :)

@Žajdlík Josef : thanks both issues fixed. I've removed "Dynamic elevations" from possible options, but remained in list. I've also prepared probably final version of "Presets", for now.

System used in Garmin is nice, but is not technically and practically possible to use complete! save/restore of all settings in Locus Map. Some of you use this already over backup manager, but it always needs a restart, so not the best solution.

So for now, let's start with list of options, that cannot be modified.
Content: fullscreen, shift map center, map resolution, map autozoom, auto-recalculate, map centering, map rotation, vector themes and dashboard.

When there will be need for another settings, we may discuss if list has still usable size or if we need introduce "advanced edit mode", that allows edit content of presets.

"Share with" Locus Maps from apps such as Google maps or GPSies seems just to share the title of a point or track with the search dialogue in Locus rather than pass on the actual point or track, which would be much more useful. I've not done an exhaustive trial but these two apps are indicative.

Quote from: menion on February 06, 2017, 15:49:37
@balloni55: no problem :)

@Žajdlík Josef : thanks both issues fixed. I've removed "Dynamic elevations" from possible options, but remained in list. I've also prepared probably final version of "Presets", for now.

System used in Garmin is nice, but is not technically and practically possible to use complete! save/restore of all settings in Locus Map. Some of you use this already over backup manager, but it always needs a restart, so not the best solution.

So for now, let's start with list of options, that cannot be modified.
Content: fullscreen, shift map center, map resolution, map autozoom, auto-recalculate, map centering, map rotation, vector themes and dashboard.

When there will be need for another settings, we may discuss if list has still usable size or if we need introduce "advanced edit mode", that allows edit content of presets.

But you can use the Garmin method only for the settings you put in your preset.
You can write this settings in a different colour in the menu we are used to find them, then you save their state in a preset, change them and save for another preset, in this way it's easy also to store basic profile and you have not to replicate all settings for each profile and every setting is always at its place.


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I was thinking about it, but for me it looks like really complicated to say, what activation of preset will do. You will have to remember, which settings are included into preset based on some "color difference" in big settings screen? Hmm quite complicated.

I may simplify current system even little more to be closer (but not exact) to this.

Current system:
1. open "Presets" screen
2. tap "+" to add new
3. set it's icon & name and tap save
4. you are in list of preferences. Preferences are even now set based on current value in app and you may modify them
5. back button returns to list of "Presets"

We may simplify it little bit to:
1. open "Presets" screen
2. tap "+" to add new
3. set it's icon & name and tap save
4. you are back in list of "Presets" with new preset added to start

5. (optional) advanced users may modify it's values by "edit" button in context menu

So for basic users, this will look like Garmin style and option to modify it's content without need to create new preset will remain. Should it be better?

Quote from: john_percy on February 06, 2017, 16:05:20
"Share with" Locus Maps from apps such as Google maps or GPSies seems just to share the title of a point or track with the search dialogue in Locus rather than pass on the actual point or track, which would be much more useful. I've not done an exhaustive trial but these two apps are indicative.

This highly depends on how application is sharing it's data. I remember that Google Maps share really just an address. Locus tries to detect coordinates in shared text and if there is none, "Address search" is used.
What you see in "address search" in Locus? Are there also coordinates? Because you wrote "share the title", I think it will be this problem .. unfortunately.

Unfortunately that explains it. Google gives (as text) the title and a map short URL. I think just the title is used in the Locus address search.

Quote from: menion on February 06, 2017, 15:49:37
Some of you use this already over backup manager, but it always needs a restart, so not the best solution.

So far I have used this method too - aware of all the disadvantages that brings - and I am convinced that with the new presets will no longer be necessary. Still, if you should somehow modernize, then I would suggest the possibility of launching Locus clicking on a shortcut created from a "backup". This would not need to restart Locus, but immediately would run from backup presets. But I'm convinced that "the way is not the way."

CZ: Doposud jsem tento způsob taky používal - vědom si všech nevýhod, které přináší - a jsem přesvědčen, že s novými presety už nebude třeba. Přesto, pokud by se měl nějak modernizovat, pak bych doporučil možnost spuštění Locusu klepnutím na nějakého zástupce vytvořeného ze "zálohy". Tím by nebylo potřeba restartovat Locus, ale rovnou by se spustil s předvolbami ze zálohy. Ale stejně jsem přesvědčený, že "tudy cesta nevede".

Quote from: menion on February 06, 2017, 18:17:24
I was thinking about it, but for me it looks like really complicated to say, what activation of preset will do. You will have to remember, which settings are included into preset based on some "color difference" in big settings screen? Hmm quite complicated.

I may simplify current system even little more to be closer (but not exact) to this.

Current system:
1. open "Presets" screen
2. tap "+" to add new
3. set it's icon & name and tap save
4. you are in list of preferences. Preferences are even now set based on current value in app and you may modify them
5. back button returns to list of "Presets"

We may simplify it little bit to:
1. open "Presets" screen
2. tap "+" to add new
3. set it's icon & name and tap save
4. you are back in list of "Presets" with new preset added to start

5. (optional) advanced users may modify it's values by "edit" button in context menu

So for basic users, this will look like Garmin style and option to modify it's content without need to create new preset will remain. Should it be better?

The second one the better, your method is what I badly tried to explain but what you create, with the list of settings, is better preset editing.

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Quote from: menion on February 06, 2017, 15:49:37
not technically and practically possible to use complete! save/restore of all settings

@menion - I thought it could save you considerable development time not having to maintain these complex settings forms, and the UX is much easier for a typical user to understand & use - the Garmin user manual section on "Profiles" is so short, but in fact a complete description of function. You could save/restore exactly the same set of settings that are in the current beta, certainly not expecting all settings, that would be crazy. Am happy with any solution you decide, because the feature will save me much time switching settings.

Quote from: menion on February 06, 2017, 18:17:24
We may simplify it little bit to:
1. open "Presets" screen
2. tap "+" to add new
3. set it's icon & name and tap save
4. you are back in list of "Presets" with new preset added to start
5. (optional) advanced users may modify it's values by "edit" button in context menu

So for basic users, this will look like Garmin style and option to modify it's content without need to create new preset will remain. Should it be better?

your suggestion looks very similar to (my interpretation of) Garmin style...and if you eliminate (optional) step 5 you save yourself a heap of maintenance of this complex form(s). Two options (compared to Garmin): A) if user now modifies any global setting, then active Preset is no longer active B) if user now modifies any global setting, then relevant setting change is saved into the active Preset (and remains active). I like option B, but user could also just delete active preset and tap + to save new settings.

Andrew's Option A sounds more logical and workable. With Option B I can see myself losing preset without meaning to.

Hi,

I just played around a little bit with 3.21.1.17.
How are we supposed to disable a setting in a preset in this version? For example, I don't want to change the map theme when applying a preset. In the previous versions, this was possible by not including the theme setting into the preset. How to do it in the current implementation? The edit screen of a preset doesn't seem to offer a possibility to remove a setting, only to change it. The same with dashboards, the only options are to disable the dashboard and enable a specific one, but no "don't change current dashboard status"...
I also discovered that "display always on" and "display activation" settings are not changeable by presets (anymore)? I thought this was possible in the earlier BETAs?

And another question: why did you remove "selection of activity" in the recording profiles?

Hello zossebart,
what you see in latest version is solution based on discussion here, that should make this function as simple as possible. So it really is not possible to define if settings will be applied or now.

If I remember correctly (and I confirm this by checking a code), "display always on" and "display activation" were never in presets.

Selection of activity: how often did you changed this settings? I personally never. When you create a new profile for track recording, you choose activity. It should not be needed to change it later or is there any serious reason I miss? Thanks

Today, for the first time in practice with version 3.21.1.17. Everything works smoothly, presets are now clearer and more consistent behavior.
But this much I asked for a refund elections hiding panels to presets. For small phones, this option proved very practical. It's very addictive whenever necessary to hide everything and have the whole map for display only. So that those elections were not many, it would possibly hiding all panels put under one item.

CZ: Dnes poprvé v praxi s verzí 3.21.1.17. Vše funguje bez problémů, presety jsou nyní srozumitelnější a chování logičtější.
Moc bych ale poprosil o vrácení volby skrývání panelů do presetů. Pro malé telefony se tato volba ukázala velmi praktická. Je to velmi návykové kdykoliv v případě potřeby vše skrýt a mít celý display jen pro mapu. Aby těch voleb nebylo mnoho, šlo by případně skrývání všech panelů dát pod jednu položku.

Quote from: menion on February 12, 2017, 08:24:41
Hello zossebart,
what you see in latest version is solution based on discussion here, that should make this function as simple as possible. So it really is not possible to define if settings will be applied or now.

Yes, I'm aware of the efforts to simplify preset creation. I hope by "or now" you mean "for now" and this will be possible in a later version?

Quote from: menion on February 12, 2017, 08:24:41
If I remember correctly (and I confirm this by checking a code), "display always on" and "display activation" were never in presets.

Ok, sorry, I thought so. So maybe you can add this settings (possibly later)?

Quote from: menion on February 12, 2017, 08:24:41
Selection of activity: how often did you changed this settings? I personally never. When you create a new profile for track recording, you choose activity. It should not be needed to change it later or is there any serious reason I miss? Thanks

No, you are right, I thought setting the activity for a recording profile isn't possible at all in the new version, but setting it when creating the profile should be ok...

Quote from: zossebart on February 11, 2017, 21:48:07
For example, I don't want to change the map theme when applying a preset. In the previous versions

@zossebart - with the simplified Garmin model that I proposed, you would just have same map theme for each of the presets. Agree not as good for power user, but simple & easy to use for ordinary user (hopefully).

Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on February 12, 2017, 15:46:09
But this much I asked for a refund elections hiding panels to presets. For small phones, this option proved very practical. It's very addictive whenever necessary to hide everything and have the whole map for display only. So that those elections were not many, it would possibly hiding all panels put under one item.

@menion - fully agree with @Žajdlík Josef - most disappointed to see that hiding panels has been removed as a preset setting - I had a cycling profile with hiding right/ bottom panel (to maximize map visibility of course), and mapping profile with visible right/ bottom panel (for more onscreen functionality). Now it takes 9 extra taps to toggle these panels - menu > settings > maps > panels > bottom+right > back > back > back.

I like the black question mark icon to list settings in the preset.

Good to see in 3.21.1.17 (big jump of version) that Hold Map Center button state is restored even when no valid position. Thanks.

Guys thanks for testing and mainly feedbacks!!

Understand request for "panels". Based on small quick poll I made, it looks like it is not too often used settings ( http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?cmd=view&id=11bf3a1b70e4b1937 ), so for now not, sorry.

My personal opinion is anyway still the same ... I think that "Presets" are too powerful tool to stay with current limited number of preferences without option to turn some of then off completely. Petr kill me for this :), anyway I would like to introduce some "advanced mode" that allows to add more preferences (like panels) and also option to remove some preferences from preset at all (maybe simple "toggle button > advanced mode" below name/icons in presets parameters).

Anyway as first public version, I think current solution is fine. Votes in ideas on help desk may show me, what (advanced) users wants.

Quote from: menion on February 13, 2017, 11:28:55
Understand request for "panels". Based on small quick poll I made, it looks like it is not too often used settings ( http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?cmd=view&id=11bf3a1b70e4b1937 ), so for now not, sorry.

"Advanced Mode" - a great idea. It would be indeed a pity not something that you already programmed. Why is a few votes for hiding panels? Alone I would not think of how amazing thing is to see the map across the screen until I was over the old version presets tried. But, as he says: "He who once tried, he wants otherwise." Very addictive thing :-)

CZ: "Pokročilý režim" - skvělý nápad. Byla by ostatně škoda nevyužít něco, co už máš naprogramované. Proč je málo hlasů pro skrývání panelů? Samotného by mě nenapadlo jak úžasná věc je vidět mapu přes celou obrazovku, dokud jsem to přes starou verzi presetů nezkusil. Jak se ale říká: "Kdo jednou zkusil, nechce už jinak". Velmi návyková věc :-)

I think presets need a little testing before it is clear what are the best ideas. It's probably not good to decide in a rush.

Quote from: menion on February 13, 2017, 11:28:55
My personal opinion is anyway still the same ... I think that "Presets" are too powerful tool to stay with current limited number of preferences without option to turn some of then off completely. Petr kill me for this :), anyway I would like to introduce some "advanced mode" that allows to add more preferences (like panels) and also option to remove some preferences from preset at all (maybe simple "toggle button > advanced mode" below name/icons in presets parameters).

100% agree! Advanced mode sounds great and still gives a simple version for not-power-users!

Quote from: menion on February 13, 2017, 11:28:55
Anyway as first public version, I think current solution is fine. Votes in ideas on help desk may show me, what (advanced) users wants.

Ok, first public version with simple presets is ok, if advanced mode is implemented afterwards! What do you mean by "votes on help desk"? Is there more than one idea regarding presets, that I could vote for?

Quote from: menion on February 13, 2017, 11:28:55
Understand request for "panels". Based on small quick poll I made, it looks like it is not too often used settings ( http://www.rkursem.com/poll/view.php?cmd=view&id=11bf3a1b70e4b1937 ), so for now not, sorry.

@menion - I use another app "F-Stop Media Gallery" and the developer uses Google Analytics service to gather huge amount of information from users on which app functions are most used/ most popular. I guess user must opt-in to provide information, I hope. Anyway my point is this service could provide greater insight into how users operate Locus rather than a poll with very small sample size. I guess Google is paid for this service :-[

I may sound like broken record, but with simpler Garmin model, most settings are part of preset/profile, at no additional cost, no special editing form/dialog is needed, no need for preset > Edit, no advanced mode is needed, because user edits all settings via existing methods. Simpler yet more powerful.

Quote from: john_percy on February 13, 2017, 18:44:29
I think presets need a little testing before it is clear what are the best ideas. It's probably not good to decide in a rush.

+1

Every friend I show locus tell me the same thing "beautiful but too complicated for my skill" all these friends are trail runner, trekker etc used to manage maps, they are scared about too many options menu etc.
In my opinion not only present needs a basic and advanced mode but every menu in locus.
My wife for example uses locus pro too but all starting settings are made by me.
A basic user is the 90% and wants something simple.
The 10% who wants a particular set up is skilled enough to use also a menu a little more complicated.
IMHO hello locus friends


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@zossebart : because it's not yet public version, I do not expect new ideas on help desk, so maybe later. Anyway really for now, keep it simple

@Andrew Heard: I see here two differences compare to Garmin. 1) I'm currently unable to simply backup all settings like this. We may improve restoring of backups over backup manager ( restart will be anyway still needed ), but it's really almost impossible to include everything into preset. 2) how system you mentioned in Garmins, allows to define which settings to restore? There is no such option, right? It simply save current state and later restore it and overwrite everything you meanwhile changed, am I understand correctly?

@lor74cas : well I try to simplify Locus Map as much as possible last months, maybe years :). If there is need for something like "but all starting settings are made by me", then I see a problem that such setup is even needed. Why it does not work after install without any setup for your wife/friends?

Quote from: menion on February 14, 2017, 08:01:05
@Andrew Heard: I see here two differences compare to Garmin. 1) I'm currently unable to simply backup all settings like this. We may improve restoring of backups over backup manager ( restart will be anyway still needed ), but it's really almost impossible to include everything into preset. 2) how system you mentioned in Garmins, allows to define which settings to restore? There is no such option, right? It simply save current state and later restore it and overwrite everything you meanwhile changed, am I understand correctly?

@menion - the way I see it simplified (variation of "Garmin" model) you can save/ restore existing subset of Locus settings, not all settings, and not provide any extra form for modifying those preset settings (that is - delete Preset > Edit - it will save you heaps of work - no form, no translations, no doco, no explanation via ? icon). If user wants to modify a preset setting they just modify the "global" setting, delete existing preset and create a new preset. The programming cost of adding an extra setting is simply code to copy field between global setting structure & preset structure.

V3.21.1.17
@Selection of activity
The removal of the selection of activity from the recording profile can i not understand.
For me that was very useful.
How is it planned for the future?

@Andrew Heard : please forget on " it will save you heaps of work - no form, no translations" ... all these stuff are already made automatically, so it is not a problem for me. We talk mainly about simplicity for user, for using, "my time" is not important here.

I was thinking about it a lot and figure out that we are in the end talks only about two choices:

• a) hide "edit" button > Garmin style, all available current! settings stored without any option to modify it. Why to do it when it's easy to create new Preset with few taps, right?
• b) show "edit" button > Locus style, exactly same as Garmin style except this small "Edit" option, where users may modify stored values without need to create new Presets + (maybe) option to set which preferences will be included in presets.

And that's all I think. Because Locus always offered wide range of choices, for me is closed option b) , which also isn't so disturbing to complicate life to basic users. Anyway I have to think about it little more ... thanks for opinion!

@LocusUser#1: check discussion with @zossebart here: http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=5498.msg46674#msg46674

Quote from: menion on February 14, 2017, 08:01:05
@zossebart : because it's not yet public version, I do not expect new ideas on help desk, so maybe later. Anyway really for now, keep it simple

@Andrew Heard: I see here two differences compare to Garmin. 1) I'm currently unable to simply backup all settings like this. We may improve restoring of backups over backup manager ( restart will be anyway still needed ), but it's really almost impossible to include everything into preset. 2) how system you mentioned in Garmins, allows to define which settings to restore? There is no such option, right? It simply save current state and later restore it and overwrite everything you meanwhile changed, am I understand correctly?

@lor74cas : well I try to simplify Locus Map as much as possible last months, maybe years :). If there is need for something like "but all starting settings are made by me", then I see a problem that such setup is even needed. Why it does not work after install without any setup for your wife/friends?

Because they all need to use locus without mobile connection with openandroidmaps but without the effort in locus store, they want the beautiful hill shading as me, they want the hide panel to see the entire map, someone want the dashboard I use and so on ...
They are scared about to put their hands in settings but they want all this features, if I help them they will use locus, elsewhere they will look for an other app.
Not all the users are gps/mobile/teach fan in other words nerds as us on this forum. With respect for all the nerds

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I do not think it was necessary to simplify the setting of Locus power. I would say that the majority of users have bought it just because it provides such a variety of settings. Simple applications for athletes like Endomondo, diet, etc. Is full Google Play, Locus is extraordinary just how it can adapt to the user. I think that this uniqueness would be necessary to build a promotion applications.
  It might be worth it for beginners to make a few presets like "bicycle", "car" or "ski" (ideal to use new presets) and the remaining options left in its current form, to the locus become just one of many applications like you alike.

CZ:Nemyslím si, že by bylo třeba nastavení Locusu moc zjednodušovat. Dokonce bych řekl, že většina uživatelů si ho pořídila právě proto, že poskytuje takové množství nastavení. Jednoduchých aplikací pro sportovce jako Endomondo, Strava apod. je plný Google Play, Locus je výjimečný právě tím, jak si ho může uživatel přizpůsobit. Myslím, že právě na této jedinečnosti by bylo třeba postavit propagaci aplikace.
Možná by stálo za to pro začátečníky udělat několik přednastavení jako, "kolo", "auto" nebo "lyže" (ideální k využití nových presetů) a zbytek voleb nechat ve stávající podobě, aby se z Locusu nestala jen jedna z mnoha aplikací podobných si jako vejce vejci.

@lor74cas : hmm oki, so they wont's all these nice features , but instead of try to use them, they rather install app they don't have them? :). Anyway I got the point and agree, that "few" things should be made more user-friendly while keeping same functionality.

@Josef : btw. your English is maybe better then mine, so I believe, translation to Czech is not needed, save your time ;). Undestand and partially agree. On second side, very complicated application may be a problematic to generate enough income for four people that currently on Locus Map works. So it needs to be some "compromise". Do not worry, I do not plan to make from Locus another mapy.cz or google maps application, it is not the point here. I'm just trying to be more careful here and make this completely new feature rather more simple now and improved later, then opposite = complicated now and reduce functionality later.

Anyway as we all may see here ... it's just few of us here and so many opinions :). I'll try to sumarize it little bit in my head and create optimal solution for most of us ;).

Quote from: menion on February 14, 2017, 19:54:08
@Josef : btw. your English is maybe better then mine, so I believe, translation to Czech is not needed, save your time ;).

To mě hodně pobavilo, anglicky umím tak pět slov :-) Překlady dělá translátor od Google a českou verzi zde dávám právě proto, aby byla pro Tebe srozumitelnější než ten strojový překlad :-)

Quote from: menion on February 14, 2017, 19:54:08
@lor74cas : hmm oki, so they wont's all these nice features , but instead of try to use them, they rather install app they don't have them? :). Anyway I got the point and agree, that "few" things should be made more user-friendly while keeping same functionality.

@Josef : btw. your English is maybe better then mine, so I believe, translation to Czech is not needed, save your time ;). Undestand and partially agree. On second side, very complicated application may be a problematic to generate enough income for four people that currently on Locus Map works. So it needs to be some "compromise". Do not worry, I do not plan to make from Locus another mapy.cz or google maps application, it is not the point here. I'm just trying to be more careful here and make this completely new feature rather more simple now and improved later, then opposite = complicated now and reduce functionality later.

Anyway as we all may see here ... it's just few of us here and so many opinions :). I'll try to sumarize it little bit in my head and create optimal solution for most of us ;).

Yes if they can not understand it they use another app even without offline maps but more simple and their choice goes to the most downloaded from the store (with 10.000.000 download) and with poor features.
I always offer to install locus free but they have not time to spend to acquire the necessary skill.

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Quote from: Žajdlík Josef on February 14, 2017, 20:00:08

Quote from: menion on February 14, 2017, 19:54:08
@Josef : btw. your English is maybe better then mine, so I believe, translation to Czech is not needed, save your time ;).

To mě hodně pobavilo, anglicky umím tak pět slov :-) Překlady dělá translátor od Google a českou verzi zde dávám právě proto, aby byla pro Tebe srozumitelnější než ten strojový překlad :-)

Aha tak proto občas nějaké slovo je dost ujeté jako třeba "moc zjednodušovat = power". No tak je alespoň vidět, že jsem se ty roky anglicky učil zbytečně když stačilo počkat na Google Translator :).

@lor74cas: understand. At start, maybe just LoMaps from Locus Store of required country (3 are for free) + all evlevation data for this country .. these are downloaded quite easily on few taps. Dashboard is more complicated, understand. I have to create some sync device-to-device tool/feature finally ... :/

Quote from: menion on February 14, 2017, 16:28:39

• a) hide "edit" button > Garmin style, all available current! settings stored without any option to modify it. Why to do it when it's easy to create new Preset with few taps, right?
• b) show "edit" button > Locus style, exactly same as Garmin style except this small "Edit" option, where users may modify stored values without need to create new Presets + (maybe) option to set which preferences will be included in presets.

@menion - yes agreed. With option A the preset is read-only, settings can't be modified, the exact list of preset settings is not displayed. To "refresh"/ modify the preset the user would delete existing preset & create new one.

With option B the preset is read/write, settings can be edited.

If just thinking about my own use, I prefer option B too, and with every setting possible, I love all the settings, but was trying to consider how to simplify for the 95% of users.

3.21.1.18 - I think the latest changes to presets are a nice compromise. Well done @menion. Glad to see panel hiding settings have been added back - thank you.

I now notice when preset is renamed and saved (OK if cancel tapped) that bottom of screen is not refreshed, note that "driving" preset is truncated, and big "+" is not displayed:
(https://s2.postimg.org/48uilgt4l/2017_02_18_09_51_34.png) (https://postimg.org/image/48uilgt4l/)

Question: when I modify an existing post the normal editing controls (underline, bold, add image) are not possible. Any trick to obtain these?

Good progress with Presets, Menion, well done.
Now some more "food" :-) Like Overlay setting (#4 in poll ...)
Have a nice weekend first.

Maybe I have lost some posts but I do not clearly understand the use of live tracking live in quick share.
If I enable it my position is shared on http://www.locusmap.eu/live-tracking/
But within locus I cannot share this link with friends to tell them that now I am online and they can follow me on the web page.
I do not also understand why there is the time limit for the one who not payed for the private version while the normal live tracking has not time limit.

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Thanks for the Basic/Advanced Presets in current BETA! Very nice solution! I think the discussion here and menion's patience with us once again payed out!

Have a nice weekend!

3.21.1.18 - experience in tourism
Presets - great design, initial preferences are a good idea to offer newcomers a simple presets. Advanced mode OK. Good work.
Manager training - everything I tried worked. It might be worth it but at least some items to add vocal expression of what the item is. If they had added more reports are becoming confused. For example, the time on the route in combination with the clock reads 15:30, 15:30.

3.21.1.18 - zkušenosti z turistiky
Presets - skvělé provedení, počáteční předvolby jsou dobrý nápad jak nabídnout nováčkům jednoduché přednastavení. Pokročilý režim OK. Dobrá práce.
Manažer tréninků - vše co jsem zkoušel funguje. Možná by ale stálo zato alespoň u některých položek přidat hlasový výraz o jakou položku se jedná. Pokud se jich totiž přidá více, začínají být hlášení nepřehledná. Například čas na trase v kombinaci s hodinami zní: 15:30, 15:30.

Tested a few minutes ago
Live tracking live from quick share no result on web page of locus live tracking

Normal live tracking immediately shows my position on website

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Hello guys,
thanks for a positive feedback on "Presets". We may close this topic for a while now ...

@Andrew Heard: hmm problem with cut bottom part of preset and missing button looks to me like some drawing problem because of keyboard. Otherwise there is no reason to behave like that.

And problem with editing? Well, no idea if we talk about this forum, sorry.

@michaelbechtold: hehe, oki :). Overlays as well as "map selection" are little bit complicated. Not sure if they belongs to presets ... we will see.

@lor74cas: ah, because of blue bubble hint, bottom "share" buttons are not visible, damn. Isn't possible to scroll with page? Have to fix it, thanks.
Without bottom "share" button, this feature is useless. Because your location is not shared on public live tracking web, but on special web page, where only people with required link may see just your location.
Use case is: I ride how and wants to display my wife where I am. Instead of complicated setup of big "live tracking" feature, here with three taps I may share url to web page, where my wife will see me. Fast and simple ... well, but "share" button is needed :).

@Žajdlík Josef: yep, I'm aware of this "problem". We will see, but some custom notifications will be probably needed ... thanks for testing btw!

Quote from: menion on February 18, 2017, 17:32:26

@lor74cas: ah, because of blue bubble hint, bottom "share" buttons are not visible, damn. Isn't possible to scroll with page? Have to fix it, thanks.
Without bottom "share" button, this feature is useless. Because your location is not shared on public live tracking web, but on special web page, where only people with required link may see just your location.
Use case is: I ride how and wants to display my wife where I am. Instead of complicated setup of big "live tracking" feature, here with three taps I may share url to web page, where my wife will see me. Fast and simple ... well, but "share" button is needed :).

No way to scroll the page, no share button. Good idea I hope to test it soon

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For presets, can we have styles as well as themes, please.

anouncement in trainingsmanager "pace"
TTS english > e.g. 5 point 20 minutes per hour kilometer :)
TTS german > e.g. 5 Uhr 20 Min :-[
it should bee 5 Minuten 20 Sekunden pro Kilometer

5 point 20 minutes per hour is not the same as either of those.

Quote5 point 20 minutes per hour is not the same as either of those.

sorry, my fault > corrected

5 point 20 minutes per kilometre is 5,20 Minuten pro Kilometer.

The idea sometime in the future.
Not long ago there was a discussion regarding the simplification of Locus for novice users. When I saw the new option item Preset "Advanced" I wondered whether it would be better to go for simplifying control the other way. After installing Lucus everyone can choose whether he wants the Basic or Advanced. Basic would always open the flat screen offered with pre-programmed presets a Bike, Car, Running etc. The user would just clicked the code and Locus would equal start in the most appropriate settings for the selected sport. Do advanced settings should the user ever received.
Advanced would be the same as now. This would Locus has made available to the general user and may not be provided for each added feature to consider how to simplify it so that the application is not very complicated.

CZ: Nápad někdy do budoucna.
Před nedávnem zde proběhla diskuze ohledně zjednodušení Locusu pro začínající uživatele. Když jsem viděl novou volbu u položky Preset "Advanced" napadlo mě, zda by nebylo lepší jít na zjednodušování ovládání jinou cestou. Po instalaci Lucusu by si každý mohl zvolit zda chce verzi Basic nebo Advanced. Basic by vždy po spuštění rovnou nabídla obrazovku s přednastavenými Presety typu Bike, Auto, Běh atd. Uživatel by jen klikl na předvolbu a Locus by se rovnou spustil v nejvhodnějším nastavení pro vybraný sport. Do rozšířených nastavení by se tento uživatel vůbec nedostal.
Advanced by byla stejná jako nyní. Tím by se Locus zpřístupnil pro laické uživatele a nemuselo se u každé přidané funkce zvažovat, jak moc ji zjednodušit aby aplikace nebyla moc složitá.

Quote from: john_percy on February 19, 2017, 11:09:03
For presets, can we have styles as well as themes, please.

@John- just interested what styles are you referring to?

Vector maps have themes which have different style options, selected either by drop down menus or check boxes.
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Quote from: john_percy on February 20, 2017, 00:23:36
Vector maps have themes which have different style options, selected either by drop down menus or check boxes.

ahh yes, excellent suggestion to add these settings to (advanced) presets

@john_percy: almost impossible task for now, that's why I did not added "styles" into this new system, sorry

@balloni55: check new version 5 of "tts files" on Google Drive, thanks

@Josef Žajdlík: something similar we tried few years ago and result was disaster so rather no, thanks for suggestion :).

Quotecheck new version 5 of "tts files" on Google Drive, thanks

there is only V4 (old) date 19.2.2017

Like in other languages, best is to copy old file from V4 and update it to V5. News are in "readme" or @ta-ka made nice summary: http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3227.msg46759#msg46759

Quote from: lor74cas on February 18, 2017, 17:38:10

Quote from: menion on February 18, 2017, 17:32:26

@lor74cas: ah, because of blue bubble hint, bottom "share" buttons are not visible, damn. Isn't possible to scroll with page? Have to fix it, thanks.
Without bottom "share" button, this feature is useless. Because your location is not shared on public live tracking web, but on special web page, where only people with required link may see just your location.
Use case is: I ride how and wants to display my wife where I am. Instead of complicated setup of big "live tracking" feature, here with three taps I may share url to web page, where my wife will see me. Fast and simple ... well, but "share" button is needed :).

No way to scroll the page, no share button. Good idea I hope to test it soon

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Good idea and now works well.
It shows also the data of the image, great improvement.

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Point detail > Share button > Share > Other Map Apps does not give the same choices as Point detail > Share button > Map Apps.
I know the range of apps depends on the set up of one's phone but surely the two routes ought to give the same selection. In the first, Locus Maps appear but not Google Streetview or Google Navigation.
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And on second screenshot is not possible to scroll with content?

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It's not a scrolling problem - see this screenshot taken with Full Screen setting off. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170222/0419b92c2a6632b91dd799bee3de0893.jpg)

Ah sorry I'm writing on mobile... I wanted to write if on FIRST screenshot isn't a problem with scroll... I'll try it at home later...

Edit: i'm sorry ... answer is simple, results should not be same here, that's all

Even if results "shouldn't" be the same it is far from clear to me as a user why not, and what I ought to expect in the two cases.

Share button send very generic request to system to share current map center location. Point context menu has a lot more complex system. In case user has more applications that are able to work with point coordinates, in point context menu may appear another button "more" that will work exactly as a button in "share" menu.

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Sorry, menion, for once I do not understand the meaning of what you are saying.
Just to be clear, I'm talking about the point detail screen  in the latest beta. I tap on the share button and have a choice of "Map Apps" or "Share". If I tap on "Share", one of the options is More Map Apps. This gives me Locus as extra (though why should I want to share from Locus to Locus?) but not Google Streetview nor Google Directions, which were available in the "Map Apps" route.
I don't understand what is the intended behaviour, nor why.
Edit: The composite screenshot below shows the two routes that lead to the different options.
(https://s31.postimg.org/9xzqwpw3b/Screenshot_2017_02_22_08_29_52.png) (https://postimg.org/image/9xzqwpw3b/)

@john
for me it work as menion wrote,
after click on "Map apps" there is also available "more" and after click on this exactly the same apps appeare for selection as after click on"Other map apps"

No "More" for me.

V 3.21.1.19
trainingsmanager
- add new profile, title must contain minimum 5 characters > why?
- profile title list, click on title > message "training activated" and title is red displayed, but not used. It is furthermore red displayed even when i select another recording profile with another set training profile
- german announcement for "pace" and "lap pace" is furthermore wrong

@john_percy: you does not see "more" button, because in your device are only two applications (Navigator and Maps, except Locus Map) which are able to handle this basic intent . They both are added directly in context menu of point. "Navigation" and "Street view" us special technique and are added there by custom method. Because all usable apps are added directly in this menu, there is no need for "more" button. Install one, two more apps that may appear here and "more" appear as well. And this "more" as well as "share > apps", call very basic Android method called "geo - intent", which is most widely used method how to add coordinates from one app to another.

@balloni55: 5 chars .. hmm copy & paste from presets. Isn't it looking better with at least 5 characters? :).
"Red title"... I'll check it thanks and announcements ... they are probably spoke based on basic translation which is rarely perfect. Because of this exists special TTS file , but as I see, German V5 version is not yet ready ( https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B7v_sPhHE6RgMk0wTDNlMm1QMkE ).

QuoteGerman V5 version is not yet ready

who take care about this ?

Whoever wants :). Anyway as I see, this file was managed by @gynta. Which reminds me that I wanted already few times ask .... hey @gynta, where are you and how are you? :).

Btw. this reminds me as well that I felt little weird last week. We all are here "working" together on one things that merge us ... application, but at least I know almost nothing about all of You. Shame ...

So how do you do guys this winter? Was it short? All fine? :). At least little personal feelings should not be bad to share, I believe, hmm? In Czech it was really really freezy this year. Almost -20°C over night near Prague was probably record during last 4 years I live here ...

Hmm back to work. @balloni55: I'm trying to play with training manager and I'm unable to find any problem. When I change training profile in manager to different one during active recording, Locus Map correctly start talking different announcements. Please some more precise steps, thanks!

Quote from: menion on February 22, 2017, 20:13:13
So how do you do guys this winter? Was it short? All fine? :). At least little personal feelings should not be bad to share, I believe, hmm? In Czech it was really really freezy this year. Almost -20°C over night near Prague was probably record during last 4 years I live here ...

New record high temperatures, winds, rain in Australian summer. Bushfires earlier and later in summer season. +40degrees for weeks on end in some inland areas - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-13/nsw-heatwave-melting-roads-as-temperatures-soar/8172222 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-13/nsw-heatwave-melting-roads-as-temperatures-soar/8172222)

- very busy. new projects in office...
- Locus & tts/navigation = outside my interest :P
- winter
Wolfgang is doing a good job here. So i'm happy  :D
i'll come back - i think...  ;)

@Andrew Heard: 40°C+? Hmm not sure if this is better then -20 here :). I just hope, that this won't cause two much stupid human-made forest fires, this always make me sad :(.

@gynta: nice to hear you are alive!! "Projects in office", hope something you like and agree with, then it's usually fine to work on something new! And yes, @balloni55 is really active , so I'm happy too :). Have a nice day and may the force be with you!

QuoteI'm trying to play with training manager and I'm unable to find any problem.

while playing on sofa i had no satfix, that cause my "problem", sorry

working with tts file i do my first steps now, using V5 en.tts and modify V4 de.tts from google drive
units of pace are now anounced  well in german language (Minuten per Kilometer) :)

For now i miss to translate for announcement:
- tracktime
- pace
- lap pace
- current time  and here additional an alternative option for german language
e.g.
current anouncement for "current time" in german language:
current time 13 Stunden 36 Minuten
it should:
aktuelle Uhrzeit 13 Uhr 36 Minuten

EDIT: btw, today spring 20° bright sun and strong wind

Quote from: balloni55 on February 23, 2017, 15:43:36
current anouncement for "current time" in german language:
current time 13 Stunden 36 Minuten
it should:
aktuelle Uhrzeit 13 Uhr 36 Minuten

Hi, balloni55.
Please download an attached de.tts and put it as Locus/data/tts/de.tts. Then, in Locus, set both 'Language' and 'Text-to-speech settings' to german. With this configuration and google tts engine, I confirmed that announcement of current time was correct (aktuelle Uhrzeit X Uhr X Minuten). Though I don't understand german. ;)

@menion: I don't know why but it seems that leading spaces in tts file cause a problem. I replaced them with tabs and it works.

Quote from: balloni55 on February 23, 2017, 15:43:36
For now i miss to translate for announcement:
- tracktime
- pace
- lap pace
- current time  and here additional an alternative option for german language

Because these words are missing in tts file, crowdin texts are used as fallback. This fallback is based on 'Language' setting but not 'Text-to-speech settings'. So, if you set 'Language' to english and 'Text-to-speech settings' to german, Locus gives "current time X Stunden X Minuten". Am I right?

Hi ta-ka
thanks for the tts file 8)

QuoteThen, in Locus, set both 'Language' and 'Text-to-speech settings' to german. With this configuration and google tts engine, I confirmed that announcement of current time was correct (aktuelle Uhrzeit X Uhr X Minuten)

confirm, if both languages are set to german it´s correct announced now  :)

QuoteBecause these words are missing in tts file, crowdin texts are used as fallback.

understand, so it seams that:
- tracktime
- pace
- lap pace
are not translated on crowdin

btw isn´t it more understandable to use "pace last interval" for currently used "lap pace" ?

Hi guys,

20°C? crazy. We had as well nice temperature today, around 10°C. So I finally tested new training manager + my live location in the field. Both works quite well for my surprise :).

Yes, I'm well aware that value names are at crowdin and values itself are from TTS files, little bit weird. But problem is that I need these names on crowdin because they are visible directly in app. And I wanted to save some work and prevent duplicities in TTS file. But probably best should be insert this to TTS as well, to keep it logical and united right? Hmm ...

Hi Menione,
I noticed that after installing the latest version of Locus is in the "data" directory, there are two "preset" and "profiles". The "profiles" seems like a remnant from an earlier version, it is possible to delete it?

CZ: Ahoj Menione,
všiml jsem si, že po instalaci poslední verze Locusu se v adresáři "data" objevují dva adresáře "preset" a "profiles". Ten "profiles" mi připadá jako pozůstatek ze starší verze, je možné ho smazat?

Hi, exactly, it's directory used by initial beta versions, and should be deleted without worries.

@balloni55 , @ta-ka : I was thinking about system for TTS "Audio coach" notification , and decide that most flexible and most precise will be insert these texts into tts files as well. So if you find a time, update please version V5 of these files based on added parameters in english version. I've updated only parameters "value_XXX" in "actions_A" container. Thank you!

Hi, menion.
I agree with your decision. Have you updated en.tts in google drive yet? And don't forget to replace indent spaces into tabs.

Quote from: ta-ka on February 23, 2017, 20:39:36@menion: I don't know why but it seems that leading spaces in tts file cause a problem. I replaced them with tabs and it works.

Quoteupdate please version V5 of these files based on added parameters in english version

sorry for asking, i am new on this task..
as i see last modification of en.tts V5 is from 19.2. :P

Ah damn .. I've updated them immediately in moment I wrote my post, but I've noticed now!! then there were some issue in synchronization of Google Drive. So now it should be updated, sorry.

Hi the spoken message of training manager about pace is not perfect in Italian.
It says something like
Pace 24 and 12 minutes min
The last min is redundant or wrong if the correct idea is to say minutes/km in this case it must be replaced by km.

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Hello, lor74cas.

For training voice (and navigation voice), phrases have to be defined by tts file for each language. To prepare tts file for italian, download en.tts from google drive, put it in Locus/data/tts folder, and just rename en.tts to it.tts. The link to google drive is written here http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3227.0. (http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3227.0.)

Then, in Locus 3.21.1.19, set both 'Language' and 'Text-to-speech settings' to italian, and start training. You should hear 'Ritmo bla bla per kilometer'. Actually I've confirmed that.

Now, you can edit the english phrases into italian and when you complete them, upload your it.tts file to google drive. It will be embedded in next version of Locus and Locus/data/tts/it.tts file is no longer needed.

Quote from: ta-ka on February 26, 2017, 16:35:21
Hello, lor74cas.

For training voice (and navigation voice), phrases have to be defined by tts file for each language. To prepare tts file for italian, download en.tts from google drive, put it in Locus/data/tts folder, and just rename en.tts to it.tts. The link to google drive is written here http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3227.0. (http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?topic=3227.0.)

Then, in Locus 3.21.1.19, set both 'Language' and 'Text-to-speech settings' to italian, and start training. You should hear 'Ritmo bla bla per kilometer'. Actually I've confirmed that.

Now, you can edit the english phrases into italian and when you complete them, upload your it.tts file to google drive. It will be embedded in next version of Locus and Locus/data/tts/it.tts file is no longer needed.

Thank you I'll try it when and if I'll have some time. There is no app to have more free time, what about it Menion ? It'd be the app of the century

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Hi there!
Went snowshoeing this weekend, just one minor hassle:
While track recording, when I open the Track Information, Locus several times shows a warning ("Track 2017-02-25 ... not saved"). Of course the track is not saved yet, I'm still recording...
Oh, and I had the strange problem that after adding a waypoint later (after recording finished), the Track Time got longer. But copying or just moving the track to another folder solved this immediately...

Thanks for feedback @slarti76 , unfortunately none of issues I was able to simulate, anyway I'll be watching it ...

Quote from: menion on February 27, 2017, 12:48:35
Thanks for feedback @slarti76 , unfortunately none of issues I was able to simulate, anyway I'll be watching it ...

I can't reproduce it everytime, either - after it happened, it takes a while before it happens again.
Anyway, I wasn't precise: The message is "Track XXX saved. Warning: Track not stored in database". (Sorry, no screenshot, it's a bit difficult to take before the message disappears...)
And if it helps: I have "Automatic export: GPX" active in all my recording profiles.

Hi again,
Surprisingly I could reproduce the second problem :)
Have a look at the attached GPX: I added waypoints after the track was recorded, now the track time is 148h or something, instead of 5h50. And this time, it stays like that, whether I copy or move or export/import the track. I assume the creation time of the waypoints gets into the calculation...

V 3.21.1.19
Training Manager

No voicing the variable "Сurrent time" under any circumstances

Hello guys,

hope you all looking forward to next two weekend days, should be sunny in middle Europe so good time to test last Beta version a few hours ago published ;). I wanted to release new version yesterday, but after some more smaller problems to fix, I've decided to wait till Monday/Tuesday , so few more days to test in the field.

@slarti76: thanks for a file. Inside the file already two trackpoints with incorrect time. I was trying to find a place where this may happen, but expect some direct editing of the track shape on the map, I found no link to simple waypoint addin & problem with time. Are you able to simulate this problem directly on (older) recorded track?

@Magellan: there were more issues, so if possible try please new Beta version, thanks

Guys, have a nice weekend!

Hello menion
-release note > support for adding multible images.... link didnt work, orange toast "Application for selected feature is missing in your device" ??? other links work well for me.
- support for adding multible images....., for me it works with "Google Fotos"  :) it didn´t work with "QuickPic", "Motorola Gallery", "TC" and "ES"

- all event variables (events) inside different "trainings" set with last Beta are deleted after update of current Beta :-\

- it would be nice if we can also add new "last interval events" to track recording overview ;)

After adding a new preset or edit preset is added to the screen:

(https://s18.postimg.org/h1wpzraqd/Screenshot_2017_03_04_15_06_24.png) (https://postimg.org/image/h1wpzraqd/)
We have to reinvent screen presets

@balloni55: can't understand how you found such hidden issue :). Thank you, fixed! I've really over-complicated system how I create these "release notes", so it's so simple to make a mistake ...
Fact that it does not work with some file/image viewers is unfortunately nothing I may do with it not, it depends if developers of these viewers adds support for this feature (multi-select)

- lost all event variables: Hmm I just tried to restored backup of Pro version from January and then started latest Beta version and it seems to works fine. Anyway because there were some changes in structure of config file, I may be caused by opening tracining manager in Beta, then later in last valid Pro and then again in Beta. If this is a problem, sorry, just restore data/config/trainingManager.lb file later manually from backup

- last interval events: hmm little problem because nothing like "interval" exists during track recording. It exists only in the world of "audio coach".

@Magellan: thanks, I saw similar problem few days ago here on forum as well. Some weird issue with rendering of screen, probably not caused by Locus itself, but Android itself. Close and open of this screen helps, right? Not sure what I may do with it now ...

And ... new version is out. Thank guys ;)!